Maternal Grand Mother ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes...Catherine Murphy (1st marriage) Shaw, (2nd marriage) Marmion all the children are Marmion...I do not know how the first 2 sons, born in Dublin were listed, I assume illigitimate as well, those records were never found. However the second 2 are listed as such. Oddly when she left Ireland with the children...the children were listed on ships list under different first names....such intrigue..all this in the 1830's. Was there something politically going on at this time to contribute? Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: Maternal Grand Mother ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Brigitte brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com www.marmionfamilytree.com

MGR - I too have seen "MGR" added to records obtained from UHF (ancestryireland) I have always taken it to mean that the ManaGeR had added a note to the record. I have emailed UHF to clarify these references but I have never received a response. I have seen it used to add a variety of notes as in the example below: Field Value Parish/ District KILKEEL Date Of Birth 10/01/1842 Date of Baptism 10/01/1842 First name ELIZABETH ANNE Surname DOYLE Sex Female Denomination Roman Catholic Fathers Firstname Fathers Surname DOYLE Street Townland Upper Mourne Town Newry and Mourne County CO Down Misc E [ELIZABETH = BESSY] MGR TWIN OF PETER REG 1A P 12 ENTRY NO 17. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:12 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations Maternal Grand Mother ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message