Hi Nan: I have told you previously of my Doran connection; Bernard Doran;b. 1834 m. Susannah Keenan; b. 1838, Co. Down, IRL (married in Maryport, Cumberland, ENG. They had several children Patrick (1866), Peter, George, Sarah, Bernard (1878), and John all born in Maryport. I have found John living with other Keenan relatives in Maryport as well. A cousin of Susannah Keenan, a Margaret Keenan married an Edward Rice in the Dearham, Cumberland, ENG area. Not sure of dates. Don't know if this helps at all. Best regards, Chuck Keenan nir-down-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Mourne Folklore help needed (the_researcher) 2. Killaresy Graveyard (Ktsc100@aol.com) 3. Re: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 71 (Mick) 4. Re: Killaresy Graveyard (Hugh Macartney) 5. Parliamentary Papers on Ireland 1801 - 1922 (Fiona Jones) 6. Irish Land Commission (Fiona Jones) 7. Re: Killaresy Graveyard (Juditoh@aol.com) 8. who were the parents of little Catherine Rice? (Nan Brennan) 9. Re: Help to locat family in County Down (Gord Lindsay) 10. Re: who were the parents of little Catherine Rice? (Nan Brennan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:08:43 -0000 From: "the_researcher" Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Mourne Folklore help needed To: Message-ID: <000601c866a0$937d1db0$4101a8c0@yourm836jhm8vg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It seems that the sinking of the kilkeel fishing boats in 1918 by a German submarine has raised an old question about this incident among the local historians, that is the captain of the submarine speaking to one of the trawlers captains said he spent some time in Kilkeel before the war and mentioned some people he knew in that area, true or false?, has anyone from the Mourne area ever heard this story, i myself cannot believe this, a gentleman from England has contacted an old friend of mine in Kilkeel, he is trying to find the submarine captains name, can anyone help. Raymond stopped drinking 40 years ago, thinking of starting again ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:14:45 EST From: Ktsc100@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Killaresy Graveyard To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello, Would a list member be able to help me locate the Killaresy Graveyard in the Killinchy area? If I could get the cross streets or street address and town name, perhaps I can pull up a Google map showing its location. Is it part of the Killinchy Presbyterian Graveyard or a separate place? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:07:27 -0000 From: "Mick" Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 71 To: Cc: Tony Message-ID: <001501c866a8$c8949a20$6401a8c0@macpc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Stan, many thanks for this information, it is certainly a route to go down soon, but by the 1911 census, my grandfather was in a school for the deaf in Dublin. I wrote to the school - St Joseph's in Cabra - and they gave me information that he was there from 1908 to 1918 and that his father was dead! Now it could have been that his father was away in Scotland! I think I need to follow this up. Many thanks and kind regards, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 71 > > > Today's Topics: > > 2. Re: McALLISTER name in Newry (Stan Megraw) > 3. Re: McALLISTER name in Newry (Stan Megraw) > 4. FW: McALLISTER - Resending (Stan Megraw) > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:33:38 -0000 > From: "Mick" > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McALLISTER name in Newry > To: "Down List" > Cc: N IR DOWN List > > Hi List, grandfather Thomas McALLISTER was born in the Ardoyne in Belfast > 1899 in August, eighteen months late the family wasn't at the same > address! > > I am desperate to find Thomas in the 1901 census with father Thomas and > mother Jane. They were Catholic, so would anyone have any idea as to > which part they may have ended up at. When grandfather was born they were > living in Elmfield St, Belfast, but I am wondering whether they could have > been visiting Jane's, n?e MURPHY, parents in Newry in 1901. The family > are unable to be found in 1901. Jane was originally from Newry, the > daughter of Terence and Mary Anne, and would be about 33, Thomas the > father age is unknown. > > Anyone any ideas please? > > Regards, Michael McAllister > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:39:24 -0500 > From: Stan Megraw > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McALLISTER name in Newry > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > > Hi Michael > > I don't know if this helps, but there is a Thomas and Jane McALLISTER who > signed the 1912 Ulster Covenant at the same location in Glasgow, Scotland. > They were the only McAllisters to sign in Scotland and both gave their > home > as being in N. Ireland. > > They may not necessarily be husband & wife (and parents of your Thomas) > because they gave different addresses. It gives Thomas' address as "Larne > Co > Antrim" and Jane's as "81 Charlotte Street Belfast". On the other hand, > could they have been in the process of moving, etc? > > Stan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:51:18 -0500 > From: Stan Megraw > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McALLISTER name in Newry > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > > I stand corrected. > > These are the McAllisters who signed at 100 Wellington Street in Glasgow, > Scotland: > > **McAllister Thomas - Larne Co Antrim > **McAllister Jane - 81 Charlotte Street Belfast McAllister Andrew - > Belfast > > McAllister Robert - 134 Spamount Street Belfast > McAllister Robert J - McAllisters Hotel Portrush Co Antrim > McAllister William - Drumack, Broughshane Co Antrim > McAllister William - M Lurgan Cullenboy Silverbridge > McAllister Miller Agnes - Lurgancullenbouy Silverbridge P O Co Armagh > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:18:37 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Killaresy Graveyard To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000d01c866aa$577c0c40$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original The Killaresy graveyard is attached to the ruins of an ancient R.C. church and is on the Killinchy Road a couple of miles NW of Killyleagh. Simmy Island lies just east of it. It is in the Townland of Toye. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Killaresy Graveyard > Hello, > > Would a list member be able to help me locate the Killaresy Graveyard in > the > Killinchy area? If I could get the cross streets or street address and > town > name, perhaps I can pull up a Google map showing its location. Is it > part > of the Killinchy Presbyterian Graveyard or a separate place? > > Thank you for your help. > > Ken T. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:47:37 -0500 From: Fiona Jones Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Parliamentary Papers on Ireland 1801 - 1922 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000001c866ae$6487e770$c701000a@MUMS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Enhanced Parliamentary Papers on Ireland 1801 - 1922 involves the cataloguing and full-text digitisation of a selection of British Parliamentary papers taken from the University of Southampton's unique Ford Collection of Official Publications. http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/home Thanks to Nan Brennan for bringing this site to my attention. Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:22:22 -0500 From: Fiona Jones Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Irish Land Commission To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <003301c866b3$3f57d8c0$c701000a@MUMS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1882- 1882 , Volume 56 3451 | Return of judicial rents fixed by Sub-Commissions and Civil Bill Courts, notified to Irish Land Commission, September - November 1882 http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/view?did=c1%3A257273 rp=1> &p=553&fp=500&lp=841&rp=1 Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:25:12 EST From: Juditoh@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Killaresy Graveyard To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" _http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard _name=Killaresy_ (http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Killaresy) In a message dated 2/3/2008 1:16:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Ktsc100@aol.com writes: Hello, Would a list member be able to help me locate the Killaresy Graveyard in the Killinchy area? If I could get the cross streets or street address and town name, perhaps I can pull up a Google map showing its location. Is it part of the Killinchy Presbyterian Graveyard or a separate place? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000 025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:14:06 -0600 From: Nan Brennan Subject: [NIR-DOWN] who were the parents of little Catherine Rice? To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32518511-4DD7-4124-A547-CD8E16459E8E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A little girl, Catherine Rice, age 6, was living with her widowed grandmother, Catherine King Doran in Ballymagreehan in 1901. Also living there was her aunt, single, Mary Doran age 23; her uncle Bernard Doran,single age 28, and her great grandmother, Sarah King, widowed age 87. (Sarah's husband was the deceased Bryan King). Catherine King Doran's deceased husband was Arthur Doran, son of the deceased James Doran of Clarkhill. Known children of Catherine King and Arthur Doran: Bernard 1872 (married Annie McEvoy>1901<1911))--mygreat aunt. Mary b 1878 (married "Boden>1901<1911) Sarah b 1876 no further info Margaret b 1869 no further info possible child no 5--no info except possibility of existence (census 1911 says Cath King had 5 children 2 living) Obviously by 1911 the only 2 surviving children of Cath King Doran are Bernard Doran and Mary Boden. Neither can be the parents of little Catherine Rice who is NOT with her grandmother in 1911. Little Catherine, born @1895 parents must have been mother named ? Doran and father named ? Rice. Does anyone know the parents of Catherine Rice? Where she went to live in 1911? There is no record of birth for a Catherine Rice @1895 at Emerald Ancestors. Any help appreciated, Nan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:22:22 -0500 From: Gord Lindsay Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Help to locat family in County Down To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6B539838-09AC-484B-915E-121D659787CA@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ken, The house you referred to was previously owned by a Robert James Neill as I understand. My cousin in Killyleagh knows it quite well. Gord On Feb 3, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Ktsc100@aol.com wrote: > > Hello David, > > The name is John Graham. The house is located at the intersection of > Killyleagh Rd. (A22) and Derryboye Rd. > > Thank you for your help. > > Ken T. > --------- > > In a message dated 2/3/2008 11:19:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Lochcuan@aol.com writes: > > Hi Ken, > > I live in Newtownards. Give me the name and I will look up the > telephone > directory. > > David > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:28:29 -0600 From: Nan Brennan Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] who were the parents of little Catherine Rice? To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <113158ED-2BBF-45BA-ADB9-2682F7C5B2BA@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Maybe I have found her parents. There was a Margaret Doran married to John Rice in Drumgooland on 04 Aug 1893 per Emer.Anc. No death of a Margaret Rice in Drumgooland in 1901 or earlier, however. Did any of this connect for anyone? Thanks, Nan On Feb 3, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Nan Brennan wrote: > A little girl, Catherine Rice, age 6, was living with her widowed > grandmother, Catherine King Doran in Ballymagreehan in 1901. > Also living there was her aunt, single, Mary Doran age 23; her uncle > Bernard Doran,single age 28, and her great grandmother, > Sarah King, widowed age 87. (Sarah's husband was the deceased Bryan > King). > > Catherine King Doran's deceased husband was Arthur Doran, son of the > deceased James Doran of Clarkhill. > > Known children of Catherine King and Arthur Doran: > Bernard 1872 (married Annie McEvoy>1901<1911))--mygreat aunt. > Mary b 1878 (married "Boden>1901<1911) > Sarah b 1876 no further info > Margaret b 1869 no further info > possible child no 5--no info except possibility of existence (census > 1911 says Cath King had 5 children 2 living) > > Obviously by 1911 the only 2 surviving children of Cath King Doran > are Bernard Doran and Mary Boden. > Neither can be the parents of little Catherine Rice who is NOT with > her grandmother in 1911. > Little Catherine, born @1895 parents must have been mother named ? > Doran and father named ? Rice. > > Does anyone know the parents of Catherine Rice? Where she went to > live in 1911? > There is no record of birth for a Catherine Rice @1895 at Emerald > Ancestors. > > Any help appreciated, > Nan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 72 *************************************** --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.