James Carse lived in Carrigullan near Killinchy and leased land from Lord Dufferin in Barrymacromell on lease dated 16 Apr 1813. the lease was based on the lives of James Carse and William Carse I think this may be the same James that leased 3 properties in Currigullan in 1783 and the William could be his son but no proof but if so Barrymacromell may be near Currigullan Where O where is Barrymacromell? Geoff Carse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > Hi Michelle. > Apologies for the delay in my reply. > (1) I am unaware of Bernard Davey married Mary Rice. My records for BMD in > the Loughinisland parish records only begin in 1812. I did not know that > individual > records began earlier than that. I am grateful for this new information. > (2)In the 1659 Census of Ireland Loughinisland is called "Lochon Iland" > (3) Brtish military records are held at the UK PRO at Kew, London. The PRO > may have changes names recently but that is what I know it as. Most of the > regimental records with which I am familair are held under seriesW/O. Go > on > line to the PRO If you google British Miliatry Regiments, 74th regt or > 74th > foot you will get hits which may be helpful. The same for The Rifle > Brigade. > These units have such a history that they often have regimental > historians. > I'll be surprised if you are unable to work up some useful leads. You > should > be looking for the Muster Rolls for these regiments for the dates your > ancestor served in them. If you ever need it, I have the names of two > military researchers in London. They are ex-miltary and work for a small > per-diem. Basically their bus fare and lunch money. Having said all of the > above and based on my own research there, I doubt that you will ever get > more than you have from the old book you noted. What a find! > (4) I checked my index of death records for Co. Down from 1864 to the > early > 1900s.I created this index to give me an idea of people who B/M data > predated the establishment of local RC parish rtegister. I have references > for the deaths of a couple of Bernard Baveys but none who were born in > 1810. > To me that means two things. I missed them, or they died before the > enactment 1864 Civil Registration Act which required that such information > be kept. > (5) As far as I am aware, the only copy of the Loghinisland RC parish > record > in in the National Library, Dublin. The original is held locally, probably > under tight access. I read the Dublin copy on 7 Feb 1989 during a visit. > Dioces: Down and Connor > Parish: Loughinisland > Baptisms: 1805-24 Oct 1852 > Marriages: 1 Nov 1805-23 Oct 1852 > Dearhs: 10 Nov 1805-5 Oct 1852. > Just a caution. The very early years of the register consist of a > nararative > record of the priests visits locally. He says visited so and so's house > and > performed various clerical functions: confession etc. if this is important > to you try getting smeone to visit the NL in Dublin. My notes ais that I > was > looking at microflim P 5477. > I will give some more thought to your e-mail. there are nuggets for me to > mine from what you have written. Great research. > Regards > Owen Davey > > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:58 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > > >> >> >> Hi Owen >> Just trying to go back on notes. Did you have Mary Rice born 08.04.1810 >> Loughinisland, who married Bernard Davy on 2.11.1835. He was born c1810 >> in Ballynahinch. Marr Loughinisland RC Church, L,CD, Ireland >> >> I received a lot of information from Bridget Brennan's Rices and noted >> this Davy. You had already give me others who married Rices too. >> >> >> With regard to the Ballynahinch and Loughinisland query and my Rices - I >> can only say that I found my info re this in a book in our library here >> in Western Australia. The book was titled: >> The Veterans: A History of the Enrolled Pensioner Force in Western >> Australia, 1850-1880. >> Besides noting Matthew's (my gt gt grandfather) regiment and pay, his >> arrival in WA, his land allocation, pension and death and obit, it also >> noted his military history. Now I don't know if I would get more from >> records and I may try but not too sure where to go for it. >> >> It says born Lonhan Islands, Ballynahinch, Co Down. I have not been >> able to find a Lonhan Islands anywhere. It has enlisted 74th Regt >> 20.10.1834 aged 18 years. His death cert in 1883 states he was 70 years >> (1813). His baptism state was 7.5.1818. Possibly was born 1816, >> baptised 1818 and who knows if death age was correct. Father John was >> noted on his marriage cert. Matthew was transferred to 1st Battn, Rifle >> Brigade for the purpose of serving with an elder brother. If I knew his >> elder brother, I could tie him up with some of the Rice info I have >> found. All I know was that he was baptised in Loughinisland RC Church >> from the website, no actual records sited. The Ballynahinch info was >> from this book. >> >> Matthew serviced 21 years including Malta and Ionian Islands and Cape of >> Good Hope. I thought initially that Lonhan Islands may be a mistake for >> Ionian Islands until I found out where they were. Even thought he was >> born overseas and then went back home to register the birth but don't >> think so. I feel it was supposed to be Loughinisland not Lonhan Island. >> Matthew served Kaffir War of 1846-47 and again at Cape 2 Jan 1852 to 9 >> Nov 1853 including Kaffir War of that period. He was discharged >> 27.10.1855. This book even gives his hair and eye colour. It was a >> great resource but now I am trying to piece the family back in County >> Down. >> >> I would appreciate knowing where I go to find his military records and >> finding out who this elder brother is. It could be John Rice (1806), >> William Rice (1808) or James Rice (1810) as they are the names of >> possible siblings that were also baptised at Loughinisland RC Church >> with father John. All with no mother mentioned. >> >> Sorry a bit long guys, I have found it fascinating filling in the gaps >> and have still much more to do. >> >> Cheers >> Michelle (nee Rice) >> Western Australia >> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is >> intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). >> You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior >> consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). >> If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return >> mail, >> delete it from your system and destroy all copies. >> DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in >> this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your >> questions! >> ---------------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 > 20:42:00 > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: > 17/02/2009 7:07 AM > >

Try Ballymacromwell Townland which is in Killyleagh Civil Parish. You can see the location of Killyleagh (but unfortunately not Ballymacromwell - as yet) in my Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com> Geoff Carse wrote: > James Carse lived in Carrigullan near Killinchy and leased land from Lord > Dufferin in Barrymacromell on lease dated 16 Apr 1813. the lease was based > on the lives of James Carse and William Carse > > I think this may be the same James that leased 3 properties in Currigullan > in 1783 and the William could be his son but no proof but if so > Barrymacromell may be near Currigullan > > Where O where is Barrymacromell? > > Geoff Carse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > > > >> Hi Michelle. >> Apologies for the delay in my reply. >> (1) I am unaware of Bernard Davey married Mary Rice. My records for BMD in >> the Loughinisland parish records only begin in 1812. I did not know that >> individual >> records began earlier than that. I am grateful for this new information. >> (2)In the 1659 Census of Ireland Loughinisland is called "Lochon Iland" >> (3) Brtish military records are held at the UK PRO at Kew, London. The PRO >> may have changes names recently but that is what I know it as. Most of the >> regimental records with which I am familair are held under seriesW/O. Go >> on >> line to the PRO If you google British Miliatry Regiments, 74th regt or >> 74th >> foot you will get hits which may be helpful. The same for The Rifle >> Brigade. >> These units have such a history that they often have regimental >> historians. >> I'll be surprised if you are unable to work up some useful leads. You >> should >> be looking for the Muster Rolls for these regiments for the dates your >> ancestor served in them. If you ever need it, I have the names of two >> military researchers in London. They are ex-miltary and work for a small >> per-diem. Basically their bus fare and lunch money. Having said all of the >> above and based on my own research there, I doubt that you will ever get >> more than you have from the old book you noted. What a find! >> (4) I checked my index of death records for Co. Down from 1864 to the >> early >> 1900s.I created this index to give me an idea of people who B/M data >> predated the establishment of local RC parish rtegister. I have references >> for the deaths of a couple of Bernard Baveys but none who were born in >> 1810. >> To me that means two things. I missed them, or they died before the >> enactment 1864 Civil Registration Act which required that such information >> be kept. >> (5) As far as I am aware, the only copy of the Loghinisland RC parish >> record >> in in the National Library, Dublin. The original is held locally, probably >> under tight access. I read the Dublin copy on 7 Feb 1989 during a visit. >> Dioces: Down and Connor >> Parish: Loughinisland >> Baptisms: 1805-24 Oct 1852 >> Marriages: 1 Nov 1805-23 Oct 1852 >> Dearhs: 10 Nov 1805-5 Oct 1852. >> Just a caution. The very early years of the register consist of a >> nararative >> record of the priests visits locally. He says visited so and so's house >> and >> performed various clerical functions: confession etc. if this is important >> to you try getting smeone to visit the NL in Dublin. My notes ais that I >> was >> looking at microflim P 5477. >> I will give some more thought to your e-mail. there are nuggets for me to >> mine from what you have written. Great research. >> Regards >> Owen Davey >> >> --- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:58 AM >> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rices >> >> >> >>> Hi Owen >>> Just trying to go back on notes. Did you have Mary Rice born 08.04.1810 >>> Loughinisland, who married Bernard Davy on 2.11.1835. He was born c1810 >>> in Ballynahinch. Marr Loughinisland RC Church, L,CD, Ireland >>> >>> I received a lot of information from Bridget Brennan's Rices and noted >>> this Davy. You had already give me others who married Rices too. >>> >>> >>> With regard to the Ballynahinch and Loughinisland query and my Rices - I >>> can only say that I found my info re this in a book in our library here >>> in Western Australia. The book was titled: >>> The Veterans: A History of the Enrolled Pensioner Force in Western >>> Australia, 1850-1880. >>> Besides noting Matthew's (my gt gt grandfather) regiment and pay, his >>> arrival in WA, his land allocation, pension and death and obit, it also >>> noted his military history. Now I don't know if I would get more from >>> records and I may try but not too sure where to go for it. >>> >>> It says born Lonhan Islands, Ballynahinch, Co Down. I have not been >>> able to find a Lonhan Islands anywhere. It has enlisted 74th Regt >>> 20.10.1834 aged 18 years. His death cert in 1883 states he was 70 years >>> (1813). His baptism state was 7.5.1818. Possibly was born 1816, >>> baptised 1818 and who knows if death age was correct. Father John was >>> noted on his marriage cert. Matthew was transferred to 1st Battn, Rifle >>> Brigade for the purpose of serving with an elder brother. If I knew his >>> elder brother, I could tie him up with some of the Rice info I have >>> found. All I know was that he was baptised in Loughinisland RC Church >>> from the website, no actual records sited. The Ballynahinch info was >>> from this book. >>> >>> Matthew serviced 21 years including Malta and Ionian Islands and Cape of >>> Good Hope. I thought initially that Lonhan Islands may be a mistake for >>> Ionian Islands until I found out where they were. Even thought he was >>> born overseas and then went back home to register the birth but don't >>> think so. I feel it was supposed to be Loughinisland not Lonhan Island. >>> Matthew served Kaffir War of 1846-47 and again at Cape 2 Jan 1852 to 9 >>> Nov 1853 including Kaffir War of that period. He was discharged >>> 27.10.1855. This book even gives his hair and eye colour. It was a >>> great resource but now I am trying to piece the family back in County >>> Down. >>> >>> I would appreciate knowing where I go to find his military records and >>> finding out who this elder brother is. It could be John Rice (1806), >>> William Rice (1808) or James Rice (1810) as they are the names of >>> possible siblings that were also baptised at Loughinisland RC Church >>> with father John. All with no mother mentioned. >>> >>> Sorry a bit long guys, I have found it fascinating filling in the gaps >>> and have still much more to do. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Michelle (nee Rice) >>> Western Australia >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________________ >>> This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is >>> intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). >>> You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior >>> consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). >>> If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return >>> mail, >>> delete it from your system and destroy all copies. >>> DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in >>> this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your >>> questions! >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Searchable list archive at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 >> 20:42:00 >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your >> questions! >> ---------------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: >> 17/02/2009 7:07 AM >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >