I'm back again on my O'Neill ancestors. I need a little help from someone conversant with how PRONI records data. Below is information gleaned from www.AncestryIreland, the UHF's website. The record is of a baptism. The information doubtless came from a PRONI record. _____________________________________________________________________________ Parish/District: DROMORE Roman Catholic Date of Birth: _____________ Date of Baptism: 20Feb1825 First name: Charles Surname: O'Neill Sex: Male Denomination: _____________ Father's First name: Hugh Father's Surname: O'Neill Mother First name: _____________ Mother Surname: Sloan Witness 1 First Name: Hugh Witness 1 surname: Magee Witness 2 First Name: Alice Witness 2 Surname: Tomilty Address 1: BELLANY (almost certainly a transcription error. Should read, I believe, BALLENY) Address 2: ______ Address 3: Banbridge Address 4: Co Down Note: "Other possible spelling: HUGH NEILL" _______________________________________________________________________________ "Address 1: BELLANY" (Balleny) would be the townland. "Address 2: _______" "Address 3: Banbridge" is what I question. The townland of BALLENY is not in Banbridge, or vice-versa. It lies north of Banbridge - going form Dromore to a bit to the south. The only way I can reconcile all the "Addresses" listed as indicating one place is if "Address 3: Banbridge" indicates the Poor Law Union. But the record is of an event that occurred in 1825. The poor Law Unions weren't created until a decade later. Would PRONI have recorded this 1825 baptism as occuring in the Poor Law Union of Banbridge, even though that Poor Law Union did not exist at the time of the baptism? Thanks. Charles O'Neill

Charles, In my grandfather's case, his address was Arlands, Burtonport, Donegal. In this case Burtonport was the major town in the area and the location of the Post Office; Arlands was the end address Townland. Mail was either held at the PO until picked up, or perhaps delivered weekly or in some cases more often. I the case you cite, Banbridge was the PO location and Balleny was the nearby townland and end address for your relative. Dick Charles O'Neill wrote: > I'm back again on my O'Neill ancestors. I need a little help from > someone conversant with how PRONI records data. Below is information > gleaned from www.AncestryIreland, the UHF's website. The record is of a > baptism. The information doubtless came from a PRONI record. > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Parish/District: DROMORE Roman Catholic > Date of Birth: _____________ > Date of Baptism: 20Feb1825 > First name: Charles > Surname: O'Neill > Sex: Male > Denomination: _____________ > Father's First name: Hugh > Father's Surname: O'Neill > Mother First name: _____________ > Mother Surname: Sloan > Witness 1 First Name: Hugh > Witness 1 surname: Magee > Witness 2 First Name: Alice > Witness 2 Surname: Tomilty > Address 1: BELLANY (almost certainly a transcription error. Should > read, I believe, BALLENY) > Address 2: ______ > Address 3: Banbridge > Address 4: Co Down > > Note: "Other possible spelling: HUGH NEILL" > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > > "Address 1: BELLANY" (Balleny) would be the townland. > "Address 2: _______" > "Address 3: Banbridge" is what I question. > > The townland of BALLENY is not in Banbridge, or vice-versa. It lies > north of Banbridge - going form Dromore to a bit to the south. > The only way I can reconcile all the "Addresses" listed as indicating > one place is if "Address 3: Banbridge" indicates the Poor Law Union. > But the record is of an event that occurred in 1825. The poor Law > Unions weren't created until a decade later. > > Would PRONI have recorded this 1825 baptism as occuring in the Poor Law > Union of Banbridge, even though that Poor Law Union did not exist at the > time of the baptism? > > Thanks. > > Charles O'Neill > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11750 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11750 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Charles This record would have been taken from a microfilm of the original RC parish records for Dromore and is NOT a PRONI record, as such. The microfilm can be accessed in PRONI as well as the National Library in Dublin and can also be ordered from your local Mormon Genealogical centre. As far as I know, "Banbridge" would not have been on the original record but it is possible that the people at UHF added Banbridge to let people know whereabouts Balleny is located, i.e. in the district of Banbridge. You would have to contact the UHF to find out why they did that, not PRONI. As to the spelling of Balleny/Bellany, it could be a mistranscription on the part of the UHF or it could be how the priest spelt it in the parish register. Spelling of placenames and surnames was fluid up to the early part of the 20th century, not standardised as it is today and names were written down the way the person who was writing the record felt it should be spelt. That is why people with surnames like O'Neill, O'Rourke, O'Reilly, O'Sullivan, etc. will frequently find that their ancestors were written down as Neill, Rourke, etc.. They would have had very little input into the correct spelling of their names at that time. Hope this helps. Regards Deirdre (McEvoy) IBI Corporate Finance Limited is a subsidiary of Bank of Ireland Group. IBI Corporate Finance Limited is regulated by the Financial Regulator. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed. If you are not an intended recipient of this email, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender (and [email protected]) that you have received it in error. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, IBI Corporate Finance (or any other member of Bank of Ireland Group) does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. IBI Corporate Finance Limited, 40 Mespil Road, Dublin 4. Registered in Ireland. Registered Number 89053.