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The posting about the Rice family came through to my email without a message. Could Michelle Roberts please resend the post. I am researching the Rice family of Kinghill, Islandmoyle, Clonduff Parish and Magheramayo, Drumgooland Parish,and would be interested in reading your post. Also some of the Rices went over to Millom, District of Bootle, Cumberland. Thank you, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margaret. Do you put any stock in the suggestion that the origin for the Irish name Rice is the Welsh name Rhys? Regards, Owen Davey, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family The posting about the Rice family came through to my email without a message. Could Michelle Roberts please resend the post. I am researching the Rice family of Kinghill, Islandmoyle, Clonduff Parish and Magheramayo, Drumgooland Parish,and would be interested in reading your post. Also some of the Rices went over to Millom, District of Bootle, Cumberland. Thank you, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM

Hi Owen, Some Rices are of Welsh origin but those would be from the Province of Munster. Edward MacLysaght who is the definitive word on surnames of Ireland states in his "Irish Families, Their Names, Arms and Origins": "Rice (O'Mulcreevy) The name Rice in Ireland is of two very different origins. The Rices of Oriel (Counties Armagh, Monaghan and parts of south Down, Louth and Fermanagh)), now found chiefly in Louth and Armagh- counties comprised in that area - are Gaelic, being called O'Maolcraoibhe in Irish. The anglicizing of this surname as Rice is curious; the word craohb from which the name is derived means a branch. In County Down in O'Donovan's time -mid 1800s) families of the name were known both as Mulcreevy and Rice, not, he adds, as might be expected Bushe. In Munster Creaghs are of quite different descent . The Rices of Munster are WELSH in origin, Rhys being their name in Wales. Though never numerous, from the 14th century onwards they were influential in Counties Limerick adn Kerry; many appear in town life as proviosts, mayors and sheriffs of Limerick, Cork and Waterford and as landed proprietors in Counties Limerick and Kerry, where they settled near Dingle. Sir Stephen Rice was amont the prominent Jacobites who suffered for their adhesion to the cause of James II." There is more information about the Munster Rice family. Since my Rices are from South Down I it would be the Gaelic Rice family MacLysaght describes. In Surnames of Ireland, MacLysaght states the Munster Rices are of Welsh origin and the Oriel Rices are O'Maolcraoibhe - Gaelic. Many Irish names were not correctly anglicized because the English were not familiar with Gaeigle, that probably explains why Rice is not the correct translation of O'Maolcraoibhe (O'Mulcreevy). I checked the Spinning Wheel List of 1796 aka Flax Growers List of 1796;over 5,000 names are listed for County Down. There were a few Rices in County Down and one in the Parish of Drumgooland where my Rice came from. I didn't find any McCreevys listed, but then of course everyone did not grow flax and apply for spinning wheels. Owen, which parish are your Rices from? Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family Margaret. Do you put any stock in the suggestion that the origin for the Irish name Rice is the Welsh name Rhys? Regards, Owen Davey, Canada ----- Original Message -----

Hi Margaret. Thank you very much for your informative message which I will keep in my records.. In my research of my Davey family ancestors in County Down, Magheradrool and Loughinsland parishes I found the following entries, both from the RC parish church register in Ballynahinch which i personally examined in 1989.: William Rice and Catherine Davey Marriage 17 Jan 1841, witnesses: John McGoran and Catherine Rice baptisms of their children Arthur 1842. Sps. Daniel Davey and Mary Rice Hugh 1850. Sps. Hugh Rice and Rosan Millan James 1853. Sps. Richard Davey and Sarah Lundy Mary 1856. Sps. Hugh Davey and Mary Ann Davey Catherine 1859. Sps. Bernard Rice and Catherine Davey and, James Rice and Margaret Davey Margaret 1860. Sp. Eliz. Dornan The following entry is from the Loughinisalnd RC parish register which I saw in Dublin. Baptisms. Sept 3, 1812 Bridget of Peter Rice. Sps. Peter Davey and his wife(sic) Marriage: Pat Davey of Mageradrool(ie Parish, I beieve, not the townland of the same name) and Bridget Rice of Magheradrool. Lic by Mr. Reavey ac by Mr Carman(sic) These family relations thus go back into the 18th cent. At this remote how I might relate specifically to these people is impossible to determine. But my Davey roots go back to this time period in thsi place so I beleive that in some way I am indeed related to them all. On a snowy night in eastern Canada, Regards, Owen Since I only researched my own family connections through these registers I do not doubt that there are many other Rice family members referd to their. ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family Hi Owen, Some Rices are of Welsh origin but those would be from the Province of Munster. Edward MacLysaght who is the definitive word on surnames of Ireland states in his "Irish Families, Their Names, Arms and Origins": "Rice (O'Mulcreevy) The name Rice in Ireland is of two very different origins. The Rices of Oriel (Counties Armagh, Monaghan and parts of south Down, Louth and Fermanagh)), now found chiefly in Louth and Armagh- counties comprised in that area - are Gaelic, being called O'Maolcraoibhe in Irish. The anglicizing of this surname as Rice is curious; the word craohb from which the name is derived means a branch. In County Down in O'Donovan's time -mid 1800s) families of the name were known both as Mulcreevy and Rice, not, he adds, as might be expected Bushe. In Munster Creaghs are of quite different descent . The Rices of Munster are WELSH in origin, Rhys being their name in Wales. Though never numerous, from the 14th century onwards they were influential in Counties Limerick adn Kerry; many appear in town life as proviosts, mayors and sheriffs of Limerick, Cork and Waterford and as landed proprietors in Counties Limerick and Kerry, where they settled near Dingle. Sir Stephen Rice was amont the prominent Jacobites who suffered for their adhesion to the cause of James II." There is more information about the Munster Rice family. Since my Rices are from South Down I it would be the Gaelic Rice family MacLysaght describes. In Surnames of Ireland, MacLysaght states the Munster Rices are of Welsh origin and the Oriel Rices are O'Maolcraoibhe - Gaelic. Many Irish names were not correctly anglicized because the English were not familiar with Gaeigle, that probably explains why Rice is not the correct translation of O'Maolcraoibhe (O'Mulcreevy). I checked the Spinning Wheel List of 1796 aka Flax Growers List of 1796;over 5,000 names are listed for County Down. There were a few Rices in County Down and one in the Parish of Drumgooland where my Rice came from. I didn't find any McCreevys listed, but then of course everyone did not grow flax and apply for spinning wheels. Owen, which parish are your Rices from? Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family Margaret. Do you put any stock in the suggestion that the origin for the Irish name Rice is the Welsh name Rhys? Regards, Owen Davey, Canada ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1881 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 5:59 PM