Hi Chris > I'll assume than the administrative districts map would be relevant to the districts used when Protestant marriage civil registration began in 1845 and for all civil registration events (including marriages for all) in 1864. Yes, that would be correct. It is interesting to note that the introduction to the1851 Census Index (also known as the General Index) says: "The volume and page of the Townland census, from which information may be procured as to the Population, and Houses, in 1841 and 1851, and the Poor Law Valuation, in 1851, are also given. " - these columns aren't shown in the Sean Ruad index. The 1851 Census Index therefore was probably compiled initially in the 1830s and while some changes would certainly have occurred, it is probably a reasonably accurate "picture" of the parishes from perhaps the turn of the century up until at least the mid to late 1850s. The re-survey for the 1" maps and the Griffith Valuation would have taken place in the latter half of the 1850s, and while I am not clear when Griffith's changes would have become official, it was probably as of the release date of the valuations in each county. Note that at this stage the maps for all counties other than Fermanagh show Griffith's boundaries, but changes from the 1851 boundaries (that I'm aware of) are included in the notes. The most significant changes in Down were mainly in the Lecale Upper & Lower baronies - ie to the SE of Downpatrick. I am hoping to update Down and Antrim next (I'm psyching myself up to make a start as it is a bit of a hard slog) and so 'watch this space'! If anyone has an accurate townland list from the Griffith valuation I would really appreciate a copy - and it would put Down on the top of the to do list :>)! I believe that the Ordnance Surveys - which consist of the information gathered as part of the 1830s surveys, which didn't belong on the maps - were abandoned due to cost, which is a pity as the info in Antrim and Derry is incredibly detailed. > Does anyone know if GRONI has Administraive Districts Maps showing when the district boundaries changed? If so can copies be obtained from them? > I'm not aware of any such maps, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there weren't some tucked away in the OSNI archives. There are later versions of the 1851 Index for other censuses too (but I haven't obtained copies of them) from which you could work this out.if you had lists of the districts the townlands were in at other times. However, I suspect that the Griffith definitions were reasonably stable and are much the same today. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com> Chris Langdon wrote: > Hi Murray, > > Thanks very much. You've put alot of work into that. I'll assume than the administrative districts map would be relevant to the districts used when Protestant marriage civil registration began in 1845 and for all civil registration events (including marriages for all) in 1864. > > Lewis Topographical Dictionary of 1837 describes each civil parish but doesn't list the townlands in each. The Ordnance Survey Memoirs for County Down unfortunately aren't as detailed as those for the southern counties because they apparently were under time constraints to complete them since County Down was one of the last counties finished. > > Chris Langdon > > > On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:35:15 +1300 > >> From: Murray <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Administrative Districts Map >> Upgrade >> To: [email protected] >> > > >> Hi Chris >> >> As I mentioned, they are based on the 1851 Census and the >> Griffith >> valuation (ie ca 1860). >> >> The districts changed continually and so any database like >> this is >> simply a snapshot of a particular time, however the 1851 >> census is >> probably a good representation of the Civil Parishes pre >> 1850 and the >> Griffith Valuation a close representation post 1860. As >> there are some >> very significant changes in which townland was in which >> civil parish >> between these two dates (see the area east of Enniskillen >> in Fermanagh >> for example), I am intending to go back through the other >> counties I >> have already included and add both the 1851 and Griffith >> definitions >> (currently differences are noted in the pop-up window for >> each parish >> affected). >> >> For anyone interested in the extent of these changes, have >> a look at the >> maps of the 4 parts of Derrybrusk Civil Parish in 1851 >> (plotted in black >> - turn off the icons to make it easier to see) and then add >> the 4 parts >> as defined in Griffith (plotted in blue). The northern >> section is >> identical, but there are very few of the same townlands >> remaining in >> Derrybrusk in the southern part after Griffith's >> changes. >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Murray >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for >> ... >> >> * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand >> Cemeteries >> >> <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> >> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world >> with NZ >> service burials) >> * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland >> >> <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> >> * Our Family History >> <http://family.kiwicelts.com> >> > > > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >