Hi Mike, Thomas Gordon arrived in Sydney 16 May 1840 having travelled on the ship, "Thomas Lowry" and William Gordon arrived in Sydney on the "Wilson" 7 January 1842 and then went to New Zealand. If these two men are the brothers I am searching for, Thomas had already gone to New Zealand. William's record gives the extra information that his Baptism Certificate has the name J. Alfred Canning of Kilkeel and Char. Ref. George Lewis & another of Kilkeel. Are they still likely to be on the Griffith Valuation of Mourne? I'm thinking from your email that they may have left Ireland too early to be included on that. On the immigration record it states that both their parents were deceased. We have lots of info regarding their lives in NZ but none concerning their lives in Ireland. Thanks for your help. Heather. On 21/05/2011, at 5:42 PM, Mike Boyd wrote: > Heather > What year were they in Sydney? > > If after about 1860, you may find them on the Griffith Valuation for Mourne > area of County Down? > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather & Stewart" <hands@harknessherald.com> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:16 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Thomas and William Gordon > > >> I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a site which >> has parish records for the years around 1810-1820? I have two brothers, >> Thomas Shannon Gordon and William Gordon who were born around 1813 and 1815 >> respectively. They both died in New Zealand and from their death >> certificates it appears that they were born in County Down. I have found >> immigration records (Sydney, Australia) which have them born in Moran??? >> Co. Down. I think it probably is Mourne. If there are no sites which have >> these parish records, could anyone suggest where I could write to for >> information. >> >> Heather (in Australia). >> -------------------------------------------------- >> 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL >> blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked >> RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep >> resubscribing until it works. >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------- > 440 list members as of 1 May 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Heather Have you looked at the 1841 NSW Census for Thomas Gordon? I am not sure if it is online or only available in hard copy. Would the Title List be of any use? Although it would only give their possible father's name in Mourne. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart & Heather" <handsh@internode.on.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Thomas and William Gordon > Hi Mike, > > Thomas Gordon arrived in Sydney 16 May 1840 having travelled on the ship, > "Thomas Lowry" and William Gordon arrived in Sydney on the "Wilson" 7 > January 1842 and then went to New Zealand. If these two men are the > brothers I am searching for, Thomas had already gone to New Zealand. > William's record gives the extra information that his Baptism Certificate > has the name J. Alfred Canning of Kilkeel and Char. Ref. George Lewis & > another of Kilkeel. Are they still likely to be on the Griffith Valuation > of Mourne? I'm thinking from your email that they may have left Ireland > too early to be included on that. On the immigration record it states > that both their parents were deceased. We have lots of info regarding > their lives in NZ but none concerning their lives in Ireland. > > Thanks for your help. > > Heather. > > > On 21/05/2011, at 5:42 PM, Mike Boyd wrote: > >> Heather >> What year were they in Sydney? >> >> If after about 1860, you may find them on the Griffith Valuation for >> Mourne >> area of County Down? >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane, Aust. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Heather & Stewart" <hands@harknessherald.com> >> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:16 PM >> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Thomas and William Gordon >> >> >>> I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a site >>> which >>> has parish records for the years around 1810-1820? I have two brothers, >>> Thomas Shannon Gordon and William Gordon who were born around 1813 and >>> 1815 >>> respectively. They both died in New Zealand and from their death >>> certificates it appears that they were born in County Down. I have >>> found >>> immigration records (Sydney, Australia) which have them born in >>> Moran??? >>> Co. Down. I think it probably is Mourne. If there are no sites which >>> have >>> these parish records, could anyone suggest where I could write to for >>> information. >>> >>> Heather (in Australia). >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL >>> blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked >>> RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep >>> resubscribing until it works. >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> Searchable list archive at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> 440 list members as of 1 May 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL >> blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked >> RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep >> resubscribing until it works. >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------- > 440 list members as of 1 May 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL > blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked > RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep > resubscribing until it works. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Mike, Thanks for the suggestions. The NSW 1841 census is online, but I couldn't find Thomas Gordon. I think he would have gone almost immediately to NZ. From our searching, it would seem as though the two brothers cut off their former lives in Ireland from their new lives in NZ. As descendants we are all keen to find links to possible family in Ireland. We have two names for the father. From a death certificate (I think it is William's) we learned that the father's name was Thomas and that the mother was Jane Martin and that William was born in Co. Down. The immigration records which I am now working from, state that the father was James and the mother was Jane Cummer. I'm the only researcher in the family who is pursuing this avenue. Others still believe that the father was Thomas and mother, Jane Martin. The immigration records seem rather compelling to me and are the closest any of us have got to the Irish end of this puzzle. Thomas's (brother of William) death notic! e said for Sydney and Newry papers to take note. Could you explain to me what the Title List is please? Regards, Heather. On 24/05/2011, at 11:45 AM, Mike Boyd wrote: > Heather > Have you looked at the 1841 NSW Census for Thomas Gordon? I am not sure if > it is online or only available in hard copy. > > Would the Title List be of any use? Although it would only give their > possible father's name in Mourne. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart & Heather" <handsh@internode.on.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Thomas and William Gordon > > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Thomas Gordon arrived in Sydney 16 May 1840 having travelled on the ship, >> "Thomas Lowry" and William Gordon arrived in Sydney on the "Wilson" 7 >> January 1842 and then went to New Zealand. If these two men are the >> brothers I am searching for, Thomas had already gone to New Zealand. >> William's record gives the extra information that his Baptism Certificate >> has the name J. Alfred Canning of Kilkeel and Char. Ref. George Lewis & >> another of Kilkeel. Are they still likely to be on the Griffith Valuation >> of Mourne? I'm thinking from your email that they may have left Ireland >> too early to be included on that. On the immigration record it states >> that both their parents were deceased. We have lots of info regarding >> their lives in NZ but none concerning their lives in Ireland. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Heather. >> >> >> On 21/05/2011, at 5:42 PM, Mike Boyd wrote: >> >>> Heather >>> What year were they in Sydney? >>> >>> If after about 1860, you may find them on the Griffith Valuation for >>> Mourne >>> area of County Down? >>> >>> Mike Boyd >>> Brisbane, Aust. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Heather & Stewart" <hands@harknessherald.com> >>> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:16 PM >>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Thomas and William Gordon >>> >>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a site >>>> which >>>> has parish records for the years around 1810-1820? I have two brothers, >>>> Thomas Shannon Gordon and William Gordon who were born around 1813 and >>>> 1815 >>>> respectively. They both died in New Zealand and from their death >>>> certificates it appears that they were born in County Down. I have >>>> found >>>> immigration records (Sydney, Australia) which have them born in >>>> Moran??? >>>> Co. Down. I think it probably is Mourne. If there are no sites which >>>> have >>>> these parish records, could anyone suggest where I could write to for >>>> information. >>>> >>>> Heather (in Australia). >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL >>>> blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked >>>> RootsWeb in January 2011. 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Heather The Tithe List is the 1820's list of a levy by the Church of Ireland to pay for the up keep of the poor. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart & Heather" <handsh@internode.on.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Thomas and William Gordon > Hi Mike, > Could you explain to me what the Title List is please? > > Regards, > Heather. > > >