Regarding Joe Connell's request for help with distance from Newry to Ballynanny, I am sending him a separate email with links which may help. Judy McKeon In a message dated 4/8/2011 1:32:47 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nir-down-request@rootsweb.com writes: Don't hit Reply to respond to a digest message, but cut & paste the specific message into a new email AND change the subject line. -------- Today's Topics: 1. Ballynanny (Joe Connell) 2. Toman (the_researcher) 3. Re: Toman (PATRICIA MOLYNEUX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:27:31 +0100 From: Joe Connell <j40.public@ntlworld.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynanny To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4D9D8383.5000902@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi from a bright-eyed newbie. Can anyone advise me as to the location and distance from Newry of the townland Ballynanny in the parish of Annaclone c1850? I'm seeking information (surprise!) on Joe Connell. -- Joe Connell Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt Vipre Premium protection ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:10:40 +0100 From: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Toman To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FE1ABF85E3034039981B7237D4A0949E@home6456387d28> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Seeking information for an old friend, on anyone researching the Toman families of Banbridge and Bleary (Banbridge) Raymond ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:36:50 +0100 (BST) From: PATRICIA MOLYNEUX <patriciamolyneux@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Toman To: the_researcher <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com>, nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <406370.19421.qm@web86605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I don't know where they came from but Cornelius Toman ws my grandfathers name --- On Thu, 7/4/11, the_researcher <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> wrote: From: the_researcher <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Toman To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 13:10 Seeking information for an old friend, on anyone researching the Toman families of Banbridge and Bleary (Banbridge) Raymond -------------------------------------------------- 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in January 2011.? If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. -------------------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 53 ***************************************

I don't know where they came from but Cornelius Toman ws my grandfathers name --- On Thu, 7/4/11, the_researcher <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> wrote: From: the_researcher <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Toman To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 13:10 Seeking information for an old friend, on anyone researching the Toman families of Banbridge and Bleary (Banbridge) Raymond -------------------------------------------------- 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in January 2011.  If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. -------------------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking information for an old friend, on anyone researching the Toman families of Banbridge and Bleary (Banbridge) Raymond

Hi from a bright-eyed newbie. Can anyone advise me as to the location and distance from Newry of the townland Ballynanny in the parish of Annaclone c1850? I'm seeking information (surprise!) on Joe Connell. -- Joe Connell Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt Vipre Premium protection

We have just added some Royal Irish Constabulary records for men who were native to County Down. The dates are from January 1853-October 1853. So, the men were probably born in the early 1830's. Just so you will know what you are looking at, the RIC records include the date a man joined, his age and height. (We skip the height, but I can send the page if you find anyone) If he was married when he joined and the marriage date if he married after joining. It also gives the birth county for the wife. (Men did not serve in their home counties and seemed to get moved if they married.) The records show where the man was stationed. This is the part of the information that we are compiling. To view this set go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on DOWN and then MILITARY & CONSTABULARY Christina IGP-Archives ===============================

The new spam filters are complicating life for me. It seems that if I put certain links into an email, then my emails have only something like a 50/50 chance of arriving. I don't know why, but this is how it is. Maybe it is because I live in The Gumboot Nation aka Roberts Creek. Unfortunately, it means that in the future, if you want to get to my blogs, then I have to send you there via my web page. The link for that is beneath. It seems that the spam filters don't have a hernia over that one. I have just posted a piece on my blog called "The Tip of the Iceberg". In it, I talk about some of what I have learned in my decade of doing this research. I also have a link to the latest piece of research that I have posted on my web site earlier today. The piece that I have just posted contains a great swat of the relationships between dozens of family members who found themselves in Hong Kong, South Africa, Ceylon, India and what have you in the 19^th century. Most of them came from England, some from Ireland and Scotland, and some managed to boggle me by arranging their lives such that they came from all three (ARBUTHNOT would be a good example). I have also posted another obituary that is quite lengthy and descriptive for George Mildmay DARE. As always, I have annotated it so it is less confusing about who is who. I have also posted the notes he wrote about his family before he died in 1907, similarly annotated by The Moi. The links to these two piece can be found at the end of my blog. Enjoy, Sharon Oddie Brown -- Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: www.thesilverbowl.com

Does anyone have a Presbyterian Virtue surname in their line[s]? I am trying to help my wife sort out an issue. Thanks -- David N Young San Diego, CA researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon

Nan - Could you tell me why AOL and ATT&T blocked rootsweb? What is House and Building Form B and Form A and B1, B2 and N? Thanks Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Brennan" <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com>; <CountyDownGenealogy@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:13 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Irish census forms B and N > I'm having a lot of trouble accessing House and Building > Form B tonight. I'm able to download Household Form A ok > But B1 and sometimes B2 and N are not downloading. > > Anybody else having trouble with this? > > Nan > > it's 815pm Friday in Chicago. > > -------------------------------------------------- > 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL > blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked > RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep > resubscribing until it works. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3526 - Release Date: 03/24/11 07:34:00

I'm having a lot of trouble accessing House and Building Form B tonight. I'm able to download Household Form A ok But B1 and sometimes B2 and N are not downloading. Anybody else having trouble with this? Nan it's 815pm Friday in Chicago.

The Irish Times March 1, 1894 Forthcoming Marriages A marriage has been arranged and will take place on the 11th of April, between Mr J.H. Moore Garrett, Corrie Wood, Castlewellan, County Down, and Isabel, eldest daughter of the late Hon Richard Maxwell, Fortland, Mount Nugens, County Cavan Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this notice.

Irish Times Sat June 22 1878 The robbery of £148 from a Cattle-dealer in Newry. At the Newry Petty Sessions two women named Meehan and Kane, alias, Evans were put forward in custody, charged with stealing £148 from the person of cattle-dealer named John Doran, residing near Castlewellan. On the 30th ult Mr Smith, a pawnbroker from Belfst, was examined, and proved to Kane pawning the petticoat in which acting ConstableCocke, detective of Belfast, found £53 of the money. There being no evidence against Meehan she was discharged, and the case against Kane, alias Evans, was postponed.

Irish Times Sat Oct 7 1876 DEATHS CLELAND On the 1st inst, at Castlewellan, Co Armagh, Emily, wife of James Vance Cleland, late Captain 3rd (King's Own) Hussars. Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this notice. Note: article says "Co Armagh", I assume this is a mistake?

About 900 County Down births entries, have been added to my website, each entry giving the childs name, where born, fathers name and mothers maiden name. Information on the births now made easier, thanks to Eddie Williams. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Nan Many thanks for the Irish Times clips. Robert Cussens did much research on the McCartans. Must call with this family next time I am in Newcastle West. It is near Listowel and I hope to be down that way in May. Slan Sean _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 19164 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try free scan!

Weekly Irish Times Sat Oct 19 1929 CUSSEN and MCCARTAN Oct 1 1929 at St Mary's Newcastle Co Down, by the Rev David McWilliams, P.P., ROBERT J CUSSEN, Solicitor, third son of ROBERT CUSSEN, Solicitor, Newcastle West to KITTIE, second daughter of DANIEL MCCARTAN, Clerk of the Crown and Peace, Newcastle Co Down. Times Pictorial Saturday, March 9, 1946 MCCARTAN-February 23, 1946, at Eastern Villa, Newcastle, EMILY, wife of DANIEL MCCARTAN, Clerk of the Peace The Irish Times, Monday, October 9 1950 MCCARTAN-October 7, 1950, at Bryansford Road, Newcastle, Co Down. DANIEL MCCARTAN, late Clerk of the Crown and Peace. R.I.P. Remains will be removed to St Mary's Church, Newcastle, today (Monday) at 2pm. Funeral tomorrow (Tuesday) at 2pm to adjoining cemetery. Many thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing these notices.

I would try the LDS website at the link below. Then if successful you might be able to order the films from your local LDS. Hope this helps. Jean. https://www.familysearch.org/ On 23 March 2011 22:07, wendy stevenson <wendymstevenson@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jean, > This is a lot of work which you have completed, and generously shared. > None > of my Irish were in Liverpool longer than to change ships! Do you know > where I could get a listht of London irish born for 1851? I am looking > for > Granny Wild Irish Annie Carney (Kearney?), who married in London, c. early > 1870's to Anthony John Saunders. I'm looking for her birthplace in > Ireland, > or her family. > Thanks, > wendy > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jean McCarthy <jeanmccarthy36@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > 1851 Census Index Liverpool—Irish born on my web site at the link below. > > > > Alternatively type Jean McCarthy into the Google search engine for a > > direct link. > > > > I have added over two thousand more records to the Index for the 1851 > > Census for Liverpool Irish born people. I will add more records as > > time permits. > > > > Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. > > > > My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) > > BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. > > (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: > > McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. > > > > > > > > -- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ > > > > jeanmccarthy36@googlemail.com > > > > JEAN.MCCARTHY@MSGH-TR.WMIDS.NHS.UK > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > 433 list members as of 1 Feb 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL > > blocked RootsWeb in December, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in > > January. If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it > works. > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Searchable list archive at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------- > 433 list members as of 1 Feb 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL > blocked RootsWeb in December, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in > January. If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ jeanmccarthy36@googlemail.com JEAN.MCCARTHY@MSGH-TR.WMIDS.NHS.UK

For current Belfast use google maps and streetview. > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:46:44 -0600 > From: Andy Airriess<aairriess@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Map showing County division > To:<nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<BLU157-w61A003D9B314EF03F4D9A6A0B90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The county division is in the river. > > I have a number of maps of Belfast from the period and before on the web at: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/sets/72157604322031931/ > > Most maps are at the bottom of the collection, scroll down Click on a thumbnail to make it bigger. To get the full-sized map (some are quite large), click the magnifying glass above right of the image and then click "All Sizes" in the top right of the page that displays. You can then choose the image size you want to see. The "original" size will give you the most detail. > > Most maps focus on the Sailortown part of Belfast, but you might get lucky. I recently added a 1832 map that, unfortunately, does not have street names, but it is interesting to see the growth of the city. > > Andy Airriess >

May I say thanks to Sean and Andy, who have contributed to the subject line. I now realise Belfast covers at least two counties like many English cities of the time. Many thanks again, Michael -------------------------------------------------- From: <nir-down-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:00 AM To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 44 > > > Don't hit Reply to respond to a digest message, but cut & paste the > specific message into a new email AND change the subject line. -------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Belfast Map showing County division (Mick) > 2. Re: Belfast Map showing County division (Sean McCartan) > 3. Re: Belfast Map showing County division (Andy Airriess) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:23:28 -0000 > From: "Mick" <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Map showing County division > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3EC40A42E5BE43E8B575CC3E09FCD5CC@HomeDesktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi there fellow Listers, can anyone please point me in the direction of a > street map of Belfast showing the County divisions? > Trying to work out what Counties Elmfield Street and Milford Street would > be > in, or whether the same county. > > My g-grandfather was married in St Peter's Church, now the Cathedral in > Belfast in 1895, and my grandfather was born in Elmfield Street in 1899. > Would love to find them in the 1901 census but unable to pin them down at > present. > > Many thanks, Michael McAllister > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:26:40 -0000 > From: "Sean McCartan" <smccartan@utvinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Map showing County division > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <EFB01321C7BD4234BEB7209889DDBE25@sean> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Elmfield Street is off the Crumlin Road in Belfast 14, Ardoyne, County > Antrim. > Milford Street is off Albert St, which is off Falls Road,Belfast 12. and > in > the shadow of St Peter's cathedral, County Antrim > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mick > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:23 AM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Map showing County division > > Hi there fellow Listers, can anyone please point me in the direction of a > street map of Belfast showing the County divisions? > Trying to work out what Counties Elmfield Street and Milford Street would > be > > in, or whether the same county. > > My g-grandfather was married in St Peter's Church, now the Cathedral in > Belfast in 1895, and my grandfather was born in Elmfield Street in 1899. > Would love to find them in the 1901 census but unable to pin them down at > present. > > Many thanks, Michael McAllister > > -------------------------------------------------- > 433 list members as of 1 Feb 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL > blocked > RootsWeb in December, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in January. > If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 19154 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:46:44 -0600 > From: Andy Airriess <aairriess@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Map showing County division > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU157-w61A003D9B314EF03F4D9A6A0B90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The county division is in the river. > > I have a number of maps of Belfast from the period and before on the web > at: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/sets/72157604322031931/ > > Most maps are at the bottom of the collection, scroll down Click on a > thumbnail to make it bigger. To get the full-sized map (some are quite > large), click the magnifying glass above right of the image and then click > "All Sizes" in the top right of the page that displays. You can then > choose the image size you want to see. The "original" size will give you > the most detail. > > Most maps focus on the Sailortown part of Belfast, but you might get > lucky. I recently added a 1832 map that, unfortunately, does not have > street names, but it is interesting to see the growth of the city. > > Andy Airriess > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to > NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to > NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 44 > ***************************************

According to Chapter V, The Boyd and Bell Families, pp 173- 202, John Boyd and Jane Bell were married at the Quaker meeting house in Lurgan on 28 January 1708. Their marriage certificate states that both John and Jane are residents of the Parish of Shankill. Three-fourth of this parish (7.7 square miles), including the town of Lurgan, is in County Armagh; the remainder (2.6) square miles) is in the County Down. The boundaries of County Down are such that a small finger, about three-fourth of a mile wide, juts westward to the shore of Lough Neagh between Armagh and Antrim. This small strip of land, which comprises the townland of Kilmore, falls within the Parish of Shankill. John Boyd lived in the County Armagh section of this parish, the Bells within the small County Down portion. John Boyd was estimated to have been born about 1685, but no location or parents were recorded for him. Unfortunately, the marriage certificate does not give the names of the groom's or bride's parents. It is suspected that Elizabeth Boid, as the name is spelled in the first line, is John Boyd's mother, and Tamar Boid a sister, aunty, or other close relative. John's father, whose name has not been ascertained, may have been deceased because no male Boyd signed the certificate as a witness to the ceremony. Ann Bell's parents were William Bell and his wife names is just given as Ann - with no surname. Jane Bell is listed as the first daughter of William and Ann Bell and being born in the parish Aghagallan, County Antrim, while the 2 brothers and fifth daughter are all recorded as being born at Killmore. With three daughters not being listed. A second Bell family of Simon Bell and his wife Ann Crookes are listed as being in Killmore townland. This Simon was Jane Bell's uncle and brother of William Bell. I am looking to see if any of the Bell families of Kilmore Townland, Parish of Shankill, County Down, may know whom John Boyd's parents were or any details on his and Jane Bell's family. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Hi Mike, There are some old Belfast maps on my web site that might be what you are looking for. I hope this helps. Jean. On 25 March 2011 08:23, Mick <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi there fellow Listers, can anyone please point me in the direction of a > street map of Belfast showing the County divisions? > Trying to work out what Counties Elmfield Street and Milford Street would > be > in, or whether the same county. > > My g-grandfather was married in St Peter's Church, now the Cathedral in > Belfast in 1895, and my grandfather was born in Elmfield Street in 1899. > Would love to find them in the 1901 census but unable to pin them down at > present. > > Many thanks, Michael McAllister > > -------------------------------------------------- > 433 list members as of 1 Feb 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL > blocked RootsWeb in December, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in > January. If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ jeanmccarthy36@googlemail.com JEAN.MCCARTHY@MSGH-TR.WMIDS.NHS.UK