Hey Duncan Old info that I have shows RC Parish: Templemore (St Columb's , Long Tower, Derry) Earliest Record: b. 10.1823 m. 11.1823 (but lots of missing dates) Rick Hutton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -----Original Message----- From: duncan mcintosh Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 3:10 AM To: down Subject: [NIR-DOWN] LongTower church I have been given some clues that my Kane and McMenemy ancestors may at one time have lived in Derry before moving to County Down. If so they may well have attended Long Tower RC church in Derry City . Does anyone have any clues about surviving records of this church before 1850 or so? -------------------------------------------------- 439 list members as of 1 Apr 2011. We lost a lot of members when AOL blocked RootsWeb in December 2010, and even more when AT&T blocked RootsWeb in January 2011. If you get unsubscribed, just keep resubscribing until it works. -------------------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a site which has parish records for the years around 1810-1820? I have two brothers, Thomas Shannon Gordon and William Gordon who were born around 1813 and 1815 respectively. They both died in New Zealand and from their death certificates it appears that they were born in County Down. I have found immigration records (Sydney, Australia) which have them born in Moran??? Co. Down. I think it probably is Mourne. If there are no sites which have these parish records, could anyone suggest where I could write to for information. Heather (in Australia).

I have been given some clues that my Kane and McMenemy ancestors may at one time have lived in Derry before moving to County Down.  If so they may well have attended Long Tower RC church in Derry City . Does anyone have any clues about surviving records of this church before 1850 or so?

It's been years since I posted on this list and decided I should "refresh" my listing. I'm also hopeful there are more genealogy resources out there that someone can refer me to. I'm researching my family name, Haynen. It has been suggested in Ireland, it was possibly spelled Heanen or Heenan. William Haynen b. 1832, my 2nd great-grandfather, and his brother, Joseph, b. 1840 came to Quebec or Ontario, possibly in the 1840's. Maybe they came with their parents? Maybe not? Today, all Haynen's in Canada and US are descendants of William and Joseph. The family story we heard about my 2nd great-grandfather was he stowed away on a ship. So maybe he wouldn't be listed as a passenger on a ship? Wouldn't he be listed as he came off a ship, though? Please view my family genealogy at http://www.phyllis.ws/tree.htm <http://home1.gte.net/phaynen/tree.htm> and visit my Haynen Tree. If you see a possible connection or have suggestions on where to do some research, please let me know. Thanks, Phyllis Haynen

Just a wee rider re payments scotlands people has now gone up to £7.oo now Alex On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM, P Keenan <keenan-p@sky.com> wrote: > I am hoping that the owners of the sites offering public records for > sale at premium prices are reading the recent posts on this site. Or, > that the negative impact of the unofficial boycott will have on their > revenues to the point where the degree of pain will cause them to > revise their charging policy. I note that the Easter reduction on the > new site is reduced to 5 euro per search and still going..... maybe > they will continue to All Saints/Souls ..... just a wee bit annoyed > having spent EU50 searching in vain for records the week before the > reductions in pricing...grrr. > > My own personal experience of the original UHF site was outstanding, > although I dread to add up what I had to spend to find the marriage > record of my gr gr grandparents. All I had was a Scots' birth cert. > stating the marriage date in Ireland in 1854 with no indication of > County. So I have mixed feelings about the 'value' of these sites and > often reflect on what it costs to visit and search the records in > person. Having had 4 visits to Ireland recently: 3x NLI Dublin and 1 x > Belfast at PRONI, I feel that there is a lot of value in these sites > however, the indexing and search tools must be at a level where we can > purchase with, reasonable, confidence that the money we spend is > delivering information we can use. > > A recent comparison of the value of scotlandspeople.gov.uk site to > these sites illustrates the benefits of having the entire data base > under the control of one authority and administered as a public > reference service. The Scots' site is outstanding and retains all > previous searches in an easy to use file format for each registered > member (free membership only pay for a number of credits...approx 6 > BMD records for £6, EU8, $12) > > One day the entire Irish record will be available in this format...in > the meantime, they have had one or two other pressing priorities to > focus attentions on. When the social welfare, education, health and > justice processes are in place, they may then decide to spend some > valuable resources on the relatively (hehehe) less urgent needs of > amateur genealogy researchers. It is easy to forget that for the vast > majority of us family research is a hobby or pastime (albeit an > extremely engaging one). Let's keep some persepective in this debate. > > There are many examples of confusion over names and denominations. At > one time I thought I had that sussed out. However, experience has > taught me that there is no science to it and the variables are almost > endless. I would have said Drysdale was almost certainly Presb. > However, I also thought that Cunningham was also Presb. There are > however, many RC. I wonder if anyone has a good insight to this? Did > this happen where some families decided not to join the reformed > faiths or did they change and change back, or did small pockets remain > RC? > My own gr gr gr grandparents are John Keenan and Ann nee Lindsay both > b c1800 and I know they were RC. Keenan I understand was originally an > Irish name O'cianian and many remained RC even when most of the > Northern part of Down and the Ards penninsula was cleared of that > faith to create a secure bridgehead in the N/East. I am assuming that > when my gr gr grandfather married in Gilford in 1854 he was one of the > first groups who had only recently arrived in that area on the Bann to > work in the newly automated textile mills. My understanding is that > there were no RC families in that area between the immediate aftermath > of the Williamite wars and the beginning of the Penal laws. They only > came back c1830's as a migrant workforce in the new mill towns..can > anyone offer me some good feedback on this view? > > As a boy I played football (soccer) with a Gordon Keenan and his > family were Preb. he told me his family were originally from Airdrie > area of Lanarkshire and I have since found many Presb. Keenans in both > Ireland and Scotland. Does anyone have a line on this ...when and why > did the families change or choose to (or not to) as the case may be? > > The Lindsay name would have suggested to me a Scots planter name, > again it was only after completing some detailed research that I > discovered that there were some of that name who remained RC or > returned to that faith. There are some examples in records around the > Mourne area in Kilcoo, Kilbroney and around Rosstrevor and > Warrenpoint. I have been unable to find the marriage record of John > Keenan and Anne Lindsay c 1825 and would welcome any help or guidance > to where they may have married or where I could look for Anne's > descendents. > > Paul Keenan > > Giffnock Scotland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- wee-eck

Liverpool Mercury, Jan 4th, 1864 Births CURRAN, Recently at Porteferry, county Down, the widow of Captain CURRAN, of the unfortunate ship Lord Raglan, of twins, a son and daughter Jane

Belfast News-Letter Sat Apr 6 1878 issue 19559 Deaths, Ferguson, April 4, at Woodleigh, near Holywood, JAMES FERGUSON, late of Ballymagreehan,near Newtownsands, age 81 years. His remains will be removed for interment in the family burying-ground, Movilla, on Monday,8th April, at eleven o'clock (via Dundonald). Friends will please accept this intimation.

Belfast Newsletter Fri Mar 11 1831 issue 9781 On the 3rd inst in the Church of Kilkeel, by the Rev Christopher Usher, Benjamin Hobart, Esq. only son of the REv Mr Hobart of Errigle Glebe, Co Monagnan, to Charity, daughter of James Marmion, Esq.of Bellmount.

Belfast Newsletter Fri Feb 18 1831 issue 9775 Died on Friday last, in the 36th year of her age, AGNES, the wife of CHARLES LEWIS, Esq. of Kilkeel

The Belfast NewsLetter Fri Oct 15 1830 issue 9739 Died, on the 5th inst. at Glassdrummond, near Kilkeel, ROBERT M'NEILLY, Esq, aged 39 years---a young man of unassuming manners, kindness of disposition, and goodness of heart.

Belfast Newsletter Fri Nov 20 1829 Issue 9646 Died, on the 3d instant, in the 78th year of his age, Andrew M'KNIGHT, Esq., of Greenfield, near Kilkeel.

The Belfast Newsletter Tues Jan 29 1828 Issue 9458 Married, on 22d inst. MR THOMAS MOORE, of Bailieborough, to MISS JANE NUGENT, of Kilkeel

Liverpool Mercury Fri Sep 8 1826 Issue 708 On Monday last, at St Paul's Church, in this town, the Rev (? Wm) McKenna lately curate of the parish of Kilkeel, in the county of Down, to Ellen Scott, of the aforesaid parish.

Irish Times Tues Nov 4 1874 Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this article, however, it is too long to transcribe. I can forward to anyone who wants the article. Here's a summary: Murder of Edward McKee, a widower, of Castlewellan occured at Drumee. McKee had 8 acres under Patrick M'Elroy of Drumee, Castlewellan. He was a farmer who was somewhat reclusive. He attended the Episcopalian church and was remarked to be very pious. He occasionally acted as a forester on the estate of Earl Annesley. On a Friday afternoon he was seen digging potatoes in one of his fields near his house and this was the last time seen alive. His niece, Margaret McTeer called on his house on the following Sunday and found him. He was savagely and brutally beaten, his head smashed into pulp. A bloody hatchet was found near the body. It was believed that two or more people may have been involved in the murder, but a young named Magennis was charged. Edward McKee had two sons, one who had gone to America and one to Australia.

Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this article. Irish Times Sat Dec 14 1912 Co Down Poisoning Case MARY RAVEY, who resided near Castlewellan, Co Down, and who was found guilty of having, on the 12th October, administered to John Campbell, her son-in-law, a quanity of strychnine, by putting it in a bottle of porter, which Campbell drank, was sentenced to five years penal servitude. The judge remarked that it was the prompt action of the doctors that saved Campbell's life.

Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this article. Irish Times Monday March 29 1926 ACCIDENTALLY SHOT DEAD James Hamilton, aged 19, of Aughlasnafin, near Castlewellan, Co Down, a member of the "B" Special Constabulary, was accidentally shot dead yesterday morniing by a younger brother, who was playing with his rifel, unaware it was loaded.

Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this article. The Weekly Irish Times, Sat July 23, 1910 CARTER KILLED AT RATHFRILAND A carter in the employment of the Castlewellan Brewery Company, Dundalk, named Owen Loughlin, met with a shocking death in Rathfriland on Monday last. He was delivering barrels of porter in Rathfriland, and when going along Downpatrick street, which is very steep, with his employers' horse and van, part of the harness gave way and the horse ran down the hill at a terrific speed. O'Loughlin held the reins until he was near the bottom of the hill, when he was lifted off his feet and dragged underneath the wheels of the heavy van, which passed over his body, crushing him in such a shocking manner that he expired in a short time. On Tuesday Dr Heron, Coroner, held an inquest, and a verdict of accidental death was returned.

Irish Times Sep 18 1905 Fatal Cycling Accident An inquest was held in Down Infirmary on Friday by Dr Parke on the body of Samuel Wylie, who died in that institution on the previous day from the effects of a cycling accident. It appeared that Wylie belonged to Drumee, near Castlewellan, was aged about 25, and an army reserve man. On the evening of the 8th inst. he was cycling down the hill from Castlewellan to Annsborough, when near the new railway bridge he colided with a girl named Annie Sinnott, and was thrown violently from his machine, sustaining shocking injuries. Dr Tate stated that Wylie was found to be suffering from fracture of the base of the skull and inflammation of the brain, and died on the 14 inst. The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical testimony, and attached no blame to any person. Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this article.

Thanks to Deirdre McEvoy for providing this news item. It doesn't say death, but it sounds like it may be a death notice. Weekly Irish Times Sat May 24 1902 MOORE-GARRETT May 15, the Honble. Isabella Sarah Moore-Garrett, wife of J.H. Moore-Garrett, Esq., of Corrie Wood, Castlewellan, County Down, and daughter of the late Honble Richard Thomas Maxwell, of Fortland, Mount Nugent,County Cavan.

Thanks to Deidre McEvoy for providing this article. Weekly Irish Times Sat Dec 4 1886 BRUTAL CASE OF ASSAULT A murderous attack was made on Monday night upon a farmer and shopkeeper named Wilson, whilst on his way from Rathfriland to Castlewellan. Wilson, who was on horseback, was only a short distance out of Rathfriland when he was attacked by three men, who commenced to beat him with sticks and tried to pull him off the horse. Wilson retained his seat in the saddle and the horse bolted, thus in all probability saving the man's life. Wilson was boycotted for having taken a house in Castlewellan from which a tenant was evicted