Dawn There is an Ballycastle Townland about 1 kms north of Mount Stewart. While Mount Stewart is about 6 kms SE of Newtownards. I do not know if it was ever a Parish of its own. Hopefully others can tell you that. In 1607, I understand that Colonel David Boyd had a home there plus 1,000 acres in the Ards Peninsular in several townlands that I have yet to find. I do not yet know who long his desecendants owned Ballycastle. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Williams" <dawnewil@verizon.net> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] New to List researching NEWALL NEWELL NEWAL NEWEL etcfrom Ballycastle, County Down > Am looking for help in researching the Irish roots of my 2nd GtGrfather > James NEWALL who in Burntisland, Fife, on Nov 6 1843, married Margaret > SALMOND , both residing in that parish. I could not locate James in the > 1841 Scotland census, but the 1851 and 1861 Burntisland census listed his > birthplace as Ireland. The 1871 Burntisland census listed his birthplace > as Ballycastle, Down, Ireland. He died 7 May 1875 in a railway accident in > Burntisland. > I have tried to find a parish of Ballycastle in County Down without > success. Can anyone tell me where this was and where I might find the > parish records? James was born between 1819 and 1821. His death cert > listed his father as James NEWELL with a ? and mother unknown. His first > son was named James, second John after Margaret's father, third William > (also in the SALMOND line), fourth son, Thomas (not known in the SALMOND > line) and Henry (not known in the SALMOND line). His first daughter was > named Margaret after Margaret SALMOND's mother, and second dau. was named > Mary, who died young. Then his third dau was again Mary, and fourth > Elizabeth. Name at death was NEWELL. > Am hoping that if I can locate Ballycastle parish records, that I might > find James' parents. > Thanks in advance for any help to tear down this brickwall. > Dawn Williams > Corning, New York > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If anyone has access to Emerald..., could you please let me know if there are any more details than these: 1855 Curry Somerville married Elizabeth ?? in Co Down and 1886 Corry Somerville married Margaret Anne ?? in Antrim. I would appreciate the look up. There are no other records in there that may help me. (Even the above are after my time, as my Corry emigrated to Canada in 1834. These are from his 'oopsie' son.) Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Moosman" <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup > Not on Emerald Ancestors as their information is from the civil records > most > of it starts from around 1864 > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sandy Money > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:18 AM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup > > Is there much information for before 1844? My family left Newry about that > year for Scotland. > Sandy Nesbit Money > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Daniel McConville Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relation: Soldier Where born: Lurgan, Down, Ireland Civil parish:Woolwich Town: Greenwich County/Island:Kent Country:England ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Artillery Barracks ====== Fiona.

thanks -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Moosman Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:19 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup Not on Emerald Ancestors as their information is from the civil records most of it starts from around 1864 -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Money Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:18 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup Is there much information for before 1844? My family left Newry about that year for Scotland. Sandy Nesbit Money ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.34/1134 - Release Date: 11/16/2007 9:52 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.34/1134 - Release Date: 11/16/2007 9:52 AM

Thanks, Judy. Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] New to List researching NEWALL NEWELL NEWALNEWELetcfrom Bally... > You will find Ballycastle here and a hand drawn map of the Parish under > maps > and much more information about County Down on this site. > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BallyAG.htm_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BallyAG.htm) > > Judy

Forgot who wanted this, but here goes. Lorie Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 07 Oct 1880 Groom Name henry POTTER Bride Name sarah jane ARMSTRONG Church Ballynahinch First Presbyterian Church Parish Magheradrool Civil District Downpatrick County Down

You may want to check out www.emeraldancestors.co. I'm no longer subscribed so I don't have the full details. But they have a record of a James who married Elizabeth Hanvey in 1884 and James Bultitude who married an Elizabeth in 1884. These may be the same couple you are looking for. Stan -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick & Sandra McKay Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:09 AM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Hanvey and Bultitude families I am interested in James and Elizabeth Bultitude who lived in Belfast in 1901. Her father was Daniel Hanvey, a farmer. Any advise would be appreciated. Sandra McKay in Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there much information for before 1844? My family left Newry about that year for Scotland. Sandy Nesbit Money -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stan Megraw Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup Judith With a subscription, this is the information you will have access to on-line: ENTRY DETAILS Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 17 Aug 1847 Groom Name james MCGEE Bride Name margaret MCDONALD Church Kilmore Orthodox Presbyterian Church Parish Kilmore Civil District Downpatrick County Down For an additional fee they will send you a PDF "certificate" giving details typically recorded on the original marriage certificates - occupations of the bride and groom, who the fathers were of the bride and groom, names of witnesses, etc. Stan -----Partial Message----- Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup I am wondering what information there is given on this site for marriages. Judith ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 9:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 9:34 AM

I am interested in James and Elizabeth Bultitude who lived in Belfast in 1901. Her father was Daniel Hanvey, a farmer. Any advise would be appreciated. Sandra McKay in Canada

Judith With a subscription, this is the information you will have access to on-line: ENTRY DETAILS Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 17 Aug 1847 Groom Name james MCGEE Bride Name margaret MCDONALD Church Kilmore Orthodox Presbyterian Church Parish Kilmore Civil District Downpatrick County Down For an additional fee they will send you a PDF "certificate" giving details typically recorded on the original marriage certificates - occupations of the bride and groom, who the fathers were of the bride and groom, names of witnesses, etc. Stan -----Partial Message----- Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestor lookup I am wondering what information there is given on this site for marriages. Judith -------------------------------

You will find Ballycastle here and a hand drawn map of the Parish under maps and much more information about County Down on this site. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BallyAG.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BallyAG.htm) Judy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Mike, thanks so much for the encouraging news that there is a Ballycastle. Hopefully someone will know of the Parish, and how I can research old parish records for James Newall's birth betw 1819 - 1821. Best regards Dawn > There is an Ballycastle Townland about 1 kms north of Mount Stewart. > While > Mount Stewart is about 6 kms SE of Newtownards. > > I do not know if it was ever a Parish of its own. Hopefully others can > tell > you that. > > In 1607, I understand that Colonel David Boyd had a home there plus 1,000 > acres in the Ards Peninsular in several townlands that I have yet to find. > I do not yet know who long his desecendants owned Ballycastle. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] New to List researching NEWALL NEWELL NEWAL NEWEL > etcfrom Ballycastle, County Down >> Am looking for help in researching the Irish roots of my 2nd GtGrfather >> James NEWALL who in Burntisland, Fife, on Nov 6 1843, married Margaret >> SALMOND , both residing in that parish. I could not locate James in the >> 1841 Scotland census, but the 1851 and 1861 Burntisland census listed his >> birthplace as Ireland. The 1871 Burntisland census listed his birthplace >> as Ballycastle, Down, Ireland. He died 7 May 1875 in a railway accident >> in >> Burntisland. >> I have tried to find a parish of Ballycastle in County Down without >> success. Can anyone tell me where this was and where I might find the >> parish records? James was born between 1819 and 1821. His death cert >> listed his father as James NEWELL with a ? and mother unknown. His first >> son was named James, second John after Margaret's father, third William >> (also in the SALMOND line), fourth son, Thomas (not known in the SALMOND >> line) and Henry (not known in the SALMOND line). His first daughter was >> named Margaret after Margaret SALMOND's mother, and second dau. was named >> Mary, who died young. Then his third dau was again Mary, and fourth >> Elizabeth. Name at death was NEWELL. >> Am hoping that if I can locate Ballycastle parish records, that I might >> find James' parents. >> Thanks in advance for any help to tear down this brickwall. >> Dawn Williams >> Corning, New York

Am looking for help in researching the Irish roots of my 2nd GtGrfather James NEWALL who in Burntisland, Fife, on Nov 6 1843, married Margaret SALMOND , both residing in that parish. I could not locate James in the 1841 Scotland census, but the 1851 and 1861 Burntisland census listed his birthplace as Ireland. The 1871 Burntisland census listed his birthplace as Ballycastle, Down, Ireland. He died 7 May 1875 in a railway accident in Burntisland. I have tried to find a parish of Ballycastle in County Down without success. Can anyone tell me where this was and where I might find the parish records? James was born between 1819 and 1821. His death cert listed his father as James NEWELL with a ? and mother unknown. His first son was named James, second John after Margaret's father, third William (also in the SALMOND line), fourth son, Thomas (not known in the SALMOND line) and Henry (not known in the SALMOND line). His first daughter was named Margaret after Margaret SALMOND's mother, and second dau. was named Mary, who died young. Then his third dau was again Mary, and fourth Elizabeth. Name at death was NEWELL. Am hoping that if I can locate Ballycastle parish records, that I might find James' parents. Thanks in advance for any help to tear down this brickwall. Dawn Williams Corning, New York

i was also sent this information today There is a marriage for a James Cunningham born CO Down, Ireland about 1859. (age 34) His parents were John Cunningham and Agnes Tranior. He married Catherine McGinnis born Co. Down, Ireland about 1867. (age 26) Her parents were Patrick McGinnis and Catherine Delaney.Marriage took place 13 Feb 1893 in Carleton.He was living in Ottawa at the time. Occupation listed as Clerk. Religion Roman Catholic. Perhaps a brother to Ellen? one step closer to finding this family help much appreciated.

My old friend Catherine Hudson is helping another lady in Kilkeel they are trying to get a memorial stone put up in the old Burial Banks graveyard in Kilkeel, for the workhouse dead and others who were buried there, Catherine and the other good lady have been searching this old overgrown and nearly forgotten graveyard trying to find any remains of headstones, only one headstone has been found so far, with the name James Behan on it, Can anyone help with information regarding this name.There will be a bit in the Mourne Observer shortly about this old graveyard, and it has already been on the Ulster TV Raymond The Burial Banks are located on the river bank behind the former Mourne Hospital and are marked by a simple headstone. They are the last reminder of the days of the famine and the former workhouse, which was located on the site of the current DHSS offices. Many paupers from the workhouse are buried here. One of the most notorious was William Hare of the infamous 'Burke and Hare' team. They were murders and body snatchers in Edinburgh around 1827. Unfortunately access to the site is currently impossible Newry & Mourne - Body-snatcher in Kilkeel? The Mourne area is mentioned in the current Lonely Planet travel guide as one of the most beautiful corners of the North. This is certainly true, but the description in a guide book from some time ago hints at an interesting past also: 'Kilkeel . behind the village on the banks of its river memories of less happy days remain - small grave markers identify where the inmates of Kilkeel workhouse are buried. One of those buried here is the infamous William Hare, who murdered sixteen people in the space of a year in Edinburgh.' William Hare is reported to have been born in the Newry area between 1792 and 1804. A labourer, he moved to Edinburgh to work on the Union Canal where he met William Burke, another Ulsterman. With Margaret Logue, the widow of his landlord, Hare took over the running of the boarding house which catered for vagrants and elderly people. When one of his lodgers, an old man named Donald, died owing more than £4 in rent, Hare persuaded Burke that they should open the coffin and sell the body. Anatomy and dissection were becoming an important part of the training offered by medical schools at that time and legally acquired bodies were scarce. The men were paid the princely sum of £7 and 10 shillings for their first body and so they began digging up the graves of the recently departed in the dead of night, stealing the bodies and then selling them for cash to a Dr Robert Knox. The doctor worked on a 'no questions asked' basis. However, they soon tired of digging and began choosing their victims, usually people who were unwell, plying them with drink and then strangling them. But the two became careless and suspicious neighbours alerted the police. Hare and Burke had murdered between 14 and 28 persons, the West Port murders as they came to be known, before their gruesome crimes were exposed. Hare confessed to the murders and gave evidence against Burke, who was then hanged in 1829 and whose body was subsequently dissected. What became of William Hare? The story goes that he escaped to Kilkeel where he decided to lie low, eventually seeking refuge in the workhouse until his death. His remains are said to lie in the Burial Banks in the old graveyard behind the Mourne Hospital. Another story, however, claims that he did indeed flee to the workhouse in Kilkeel but was spotted there by a Dr Reid, a former medical student in Edinburgh, who informed the locals of the identity of the pauper in their midst. Hare is then said to have escaped to Carlisle, where a lynch mob blinded him and threw him into a lime pit. Amazingly, from here he went to London where he is said to have died penniless in 1859. Burke and Hare entered the realms of folklore and even featured in a chillingly-resonant skipping rhyme which goes thus: Up the close and down the stair, In the house with Burke and Hare. Burke's the butcher, Hare's the thief, Knox, the boy who buys the beef.

There are two quite different deeds that I have posted to The Silver Bowl today. SEE: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/misc/whatsnew.htm To see them in chronological context with other deeds, click on the <documents> hyperlink on the main page (or any page) and then the <Deeds Indentures Wills and Will Abstracts> hyperlink. Firstly, there is a deed that I have transcribed and annotated in its entirety which involves a side line of the OLIVER line from the one that I am most focussed on - but since there is some alleged intermarriage between the two lines and since this Susannah OLIVER was born in Ardagh and since the OLIVERs of Ulster also entered into other leases with Rev. Dr. Hugh HAMILTON, it is worth noting this particular deed. It may also help lead us to the particulars of the later OLIVER family debts concerning Laragh mills which were owed to the HAMILTON family. The footnoting is not extensive, but should be enough to get a good idea. NAMES: Rev. Hans HAMILTON son of Rev. Dr. Hugh HAMILTON and husband of Susanna OLIVER; Right Honourable Silver OLIVER (not the one of Loughgall, CO. Armagh), Charles Silver OLIVER of Castle OLIVER, Alexander HAMILTON (brother of Hans),Isabella Sarah WALLER née OLIVER, Charles HAMILTON of Hamwood, Parish of Dunboyne, Co. Meath; John WALSH of Kilkenny; John KENNY of Kilkenny; Henry WADE of Dublin; John WALLER of Castletown, CO. Limerick, Henry WALLER, John GRIFFIN. Secondly, a Memorial that concerns properties relating to Anne OLIVER's marriage to Samuel ELGEE of Rochvale, Co. Monaghan. At present I believe she is the daughter of David OLIVER & Susannah WALKER of Ballyrea, Co. Armagh. The marriage settlement is with her brothers Joseph & Benjamin OLIVER. The William OLIVER of Laragh who witnesses the agreement is also likely her brother. Since the properties involve lands in Dundalk, I suspect a connection to Charles ELGEE of Dundalk and hence to one of his daughter, Jane Frances ELGEE mother of Oscar WILDE. This latter deed made me reposition Anne OLIVER in the family tree (I had her in another branch) - but my previous error has been corrected in the rootsweb link beneath. As always, if I am off the mark - please set me straight. Also, a reminder. Please note the new web address for The Silver Bowl: www.thesilverbowl.com . The materials on the previous site will not be maintained and will shortly be removed (once I learn how!). Let me know if you find any of your people in these documents. That is always a thrill. Enjoy, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

I don't know if this is yours but thought it might be worth posting Mary Ann Short born 14/5/1869 at Portaferry Co Down Father George Short Mother Mary Flagherty audrey -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy and Peter Smith Sent: 15 November 2007 14:43 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] ANNIE SHORT Is anyone researching the SHORT family please? I am trying to find the background of an Annie Mary Short who married George Goodey in 1909 in Willowfield, Co. Down. I have emailed Willowfield Church Administrators a couple of times but without any response. Does anyone know where their Parish records are now kept by chance? Any help would be appreciated regarding the Short family. W ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone researching the SHORT family please? I am trying to find the background of an Annie Mary Short who married George Goodey in 1909 in Willowfield, Co. Down. I have emailed Willowfield Church Administrators a couple of times but without any response. Does anyone know where their Parish records are now kept by chance? Any help would be appreciated regarding the Short family. W

Raymond - what a wonderful task Catherine and her friend have undertaken. I know Sheila Philips has just taken a copy of the 1901 census records for the workhouse. The "inmates" were only referred to by their initials but at least that will be some information. I am sure Sheila would be delighted if Catherine got in touch with her. Another researcher contacted PRONI a while back and found that some of the Workhouse Minutes were missing from their records. I do know that vaccination records for the area are complete and any babies that were born in the Workhouse are recorded by full name along with their adult carer (usually mother) at the time they were vaccinated. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of the_researcher Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:30 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Kilkeel workhouse graveyard My old friend Catherine Hudson is helping another lady in Kilkeel they are trying to get a memorial stone put up in the old Burial Banks graveyard in Kilkeel, for the workhouse dead and others who were buried there, Catherine and the other good lady have been searching this old overgrown and nearly forgotten graveyard trying to find any remains of headstones, only one headstone has been found so far, with the name James Behan on it, Can anyone help with information regarding this name.There will be a bit in the Mourne Observer shortly about this old graveyard, and it has already been on the Ulster TV Raymond The Burial Banks are located on the river bank behind the former Mourne Hospital and are marked by a simple headstone. They are the last reminder of the days of the famine and the former workhouse, which was located on the site of the current DHSS offices. Many paupers from the workhouse are buried here. One of the most notorious was William Hare of the infamous 'Burke and Hare' team. They were murders and body snatchers in Edinburgh around 1827. Unfortunately access to the site is currently impossible Newry & Mourne - Body-snatcher in Kilkeel? The Mourne area is mentioned in the current Lonely Planet travel guide as one of the most beautiful corners of the North. This is certainly true, but the description in a guide book from some time ago hints at an interesting past also: 'Kilkeel . behind the village on the banks of its river memories of less happy days remain - small grave markers identify where the inmates of Kilkeel workhouse are buried. One of those buried here is the infamous William Hare, who murdered sixteen people in the space of a year in Edinburgh.' William Hare is reported to have been born in the Newry area between 1792 and 1804. A labourer, he moved to Edinburgh to work on the Union Canal where he met William Burke, another Ulsterman. With Margaret Logue, the widow of his landlord, Hare took over the running of the boarding house which catered for vagrants and elderly people. When one of his lodgers, an old man named Donald, died owing more than £4 in rent, Hare persuaded Burke that they should open the coffin and sell the body. Anatomy and dissection were becoming an important part of the training offered by medical schools at that time and legally acquired bodies were scarce. The men were paid the princely sum of £7 and 10 shillings for their first body and so they began digging up the graves of the recently departed in the dead of night, stealing the bodies and then selling them for cash to a Dr Robert Knox. The doctor worked on a 'no questions asked' basis. However, they soon tired of digging and began choosing their victims, usually people who were unwell, plying them with drink and then strangling them. But the two became careless and suspicious neighbours alerted the police. Hare and Burke had murdered between 14 and 28 persons, the West Port murders as they came to be known, before their gruesome crimes were exposed. Hare confessed to the murders and gave evidence against Burke, who was then hanged in 1829 and whose body was subsequently dissected. What became of William Hare? The story goes that he escaped to Kilkeel where he decided to lie low, eventually seeking refuge in the workhouse until his death. His remains are said to lie in the Burial Banks in the old graveyard behind the Mourne Hospital. Another story, however, claims that he did indeed flee to the workhouse in Kilkeel but was spotted there by a Dr Reid, a former medical student in Edinburgh, who informed the locals of the identity of the pauper in their midst. Hare is then said to have escaped to Carlisle, where a lynch mob blinded him and threw him into a lime pit. Amazingly, from here he went to London where he is said to have died penniless in 1859. Burke and Hare entered the realms of folklore and even featured in a chillingly-resonant skipping rhyme which goes thus: Up the close and down the stair, In the house with Burke and Hare. Burke's the butcher, Hare's the thief, Knox, the boy who buys the beef. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Harry, My mother was Rose Lily Bannister, born 1911 in Belfast. I have done a lot of research on the name and would be willing to share it with you. By the way nearly all the Bannisters in Ulster were Church of Ireland. rosemarymccormack775@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "harry bannister" <harry.bannister@btinternet.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] William Bannister- Ireland > > Hi All, > > I'm having one or two problems researching my g-g-grandfather, William > Bannister > from Ireland, and since the information I have on him is scant any advice > would > be gratefully appreciated. > > What little information I have is derived from my g-grandfather's marriage > certificate; my g-grandfather, who according to census info was born in > Ireland > sometime between 1848 and 1852 (depending on source document) lists on his > marriage certificate (to Alice Sharp on 04/02/1877 at St Ann's RC Church, > Manchester) that his father's name was William, that he was deceased at > the time > of the marriage and that his profession was an "Overlooker of winders" > when he > was alive, which implies he worked in the cotton industry . > > Since the cotton industry in Ireland was based around Belfast, I checked > the > Griffiths Valuation 1848-1864 and of the fourteen entries for William > Bannister > whittled them down to four (twelve were replications) and of those four > targeted > the one in Largymore, Blaris, Lisburn, County Down, which was part of the > cotton > industry at that time (the others were in Dublin and County Cavan which > were > not). > > I also checked entries on the LDS website and came up with the following. > > WILLIAM BANISTER > Spouse: MARGARET ROBINSON > Marriage: 10 AUG 1832 Rosemary St Church, Belfast, Antrim, Ireland > > WILLIAM BANNISTER > BIRTH: ABOUT 1811 DOWN,CONNOR AND, DIOCESE OF DROMORE, ULSTER PROVINCE, > IRELAND > SPOUSE: ALICE GREER > MARRIAGE: 1836 DOWN,CONNOR AND, DIOCESE OF DROMORE, ULSTER PROVINCE, > IRELAND > > Since the William Bannister born in 1811 and married in 1836 looked the > better > of the two candidates so far so good, but now the problems. Having > gathered all > this information I paid a visit to the National Library in Dublin to see > what > else I could find, mainly about William Bannister but also about several > other > Irish ancestors I have, and with William it was all bad news. > > First the place of birth and marriage on the LDS website is given as "Down > and > Connor, Diocese of Dromore" but since "Down and Connor" is a Diocese in > its own > right, adding "Diocese of Dromore" just complicated matters and since the > LDS > researcher omitted to provide any further information it has to be assumed > that > what they meant to say was "Diocese of Dromore, County Down". > > Having assumed this only made the research slightly easier inasmuch as the > National Library didn't hold the registers for the Diocese of Down and > Connor > (they're all on the internet and I'd already visited the website), the > problem > being that the registers they held for the Diocese of Dromore contained no > entries for William Bannister for the years listed. > > Having returned home I again revisited the Ulster Historical Foundation > website, > which confirmed they have transcribed 'virtually' all the Roman Catholic > registers of counties Down and Antrim prior to 1900, and since no entries > for > William Bannister can be found in the databases it either means they've > either > not transcribed them yet or the LDS researcher had access to registers > from a > completely different source, which were somehow confused with those of > the > Diocese of Down and Connor / Dromore. > > Whilst I have no problem visiting Belfast to further my research I would > rather > do it knowing I have something tangible to research rather than the black > hole > that currently confronts me so if anybody out there has experienced > similar > problems and can suggest a way forward I'd be extremely grateful for their > advice. > > Best wishes, > > Harry Bannister > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message