Hello Eric, If you go to the following PRONI site you will find a list of records held in PRONI. Click on - Wills and Testamentary Records - in the list and you will find a page about their holdings etc. http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/records.htm Kind regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:34 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] PRONI Index Cards To Wills > Does anyone know what the Reference number[s] is/are to the PRONI Index > Cards for Wills for pre 1858 and post 1858? > > Eric

Thanks Bev the entry was on the IGI site I'll have to visit and browse their records. Regards Jane x > Merseyside wrote: >> How early are the records please, I have Hugh Campbell and Elizabeth >> McDowell married 1819 Lisnagonnelli, could there be more info on the >> actual >> marriage entry. >> Regards >> Jane >> > Jane - the dates vary and there is very little on Emerald Anc. earlier > than 1840 and 1864. As we NIR researchers are well aware, we rely on > Tithes and Griffiths and generous souls who will research for us at > PRONI or those who are prepared to "walk the cemeteries". Some are able > to travel to Ireland and that would be the greatest thrill! > > I had a friend in Ballynahinch who worked hard for us and sent copies of > material from PRONI and took photos of the old house at Ballycreen and > the cemetery stone in the Old Magherdrool Church Yard. Our most > treasured possessions! > > Back to work > > Cheers > Bev > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm new to online genealogy and have been overwhelmed trying to track down information about my great-grandfather, John Geddes, who was born in Newcastle, co. Down, in about 1867.? He married Elizabeth Georgina Parnell (yes, that Parnell, although I'm not sure of the connection) Neill, probably in the late 1880s, although I'm not sure where.? They lived in Belfast by the time they emigrated to America in 1923.? His father's name was Joseph Geddes, who was a coachman somewhere in Newcastle.? Joseph's wife's name was Eliza Jane Hall.? Emerald Ancestors has proved useless in tracking them down, so I would appreciate any information anyone could give me, especially of Joseph and his wife. Thanks. --Valerie Williamson ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Many thanks .. Eric From: "FT. & AM." <kaw56@bigpond.net.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] PRONI Index Cards To Wills > Hello Eric, > > If you go to the following PRONI site you will find a list of records held > in PRONI. Click on - Wills and Testamentary Records - in the list and you > will find a page about their holdings etc. > > http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/records.htm > > Kind regards > Alma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:34 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] PRONI Index Cards To Wills > > >> Does anyone know what the Reference number[s] is/are to the PRONI Index >> Cards for Wills for pre 1858 and post 1858? >> >> Eric > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone help me find out where, in CoDown, John SAVAGE and Mary MCCARTAN were married Date in newspaper give date 1835 CoDown. Thank you Pat Martin -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 8255 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

The 1901 Census for Ballyhafrey & Burrenbane townlands Kilcoo CP have been added to my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm they can be reached via the 'latest updates links. They will not be picked up by the search engine until Tuesday. Pete Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

Bev, being new to NIR genealogy research, I'm at a loss about Tithes and Griffiths. Could you pls explain or send me in the right direction. My ancestor James NEWALL was from Ballycastle, Down and left for Burntisland, Fife sometime before 6 Nov 1843 when he married Margaret SALMOND in Burntisland. I couldn't find him in the Scottish 1841 census. From your experience, where would you head next to try to find his family in Ballycastle. I've tried the old and faithful ways like Family Search. Thanks in advance for any advice. Dawn Williams, again. Researching NEWALL, CRAIG, JOHNSTONE, BOYD, ARMOUR in NIR > Jane wrote: >> How early are the records please,>> > Jane - the dates vary and there is very little on Emerald Anc. earlier > than 1840 and 1864. As we NIR researchers are well aware, we rely on > Tithes and Griffiths and generous souls who will research for us at > PRONI or those who are prepared to "walk the cemeteries". Some are able > to travel to Ireland and that would be the greatest thrill! > > I had a friend in Ballynahinch who worked hard for us and sent copies of > material from PRONI and took photos of the old house at Ballycreen and > the cemetery stone in the Old Magherdrool Church Yard. Our most > treasured possessions! > > Back to work > > Cheers > Bev

Do you have the Comber Graveyard gravestone inscriptions for Orr ? William Orr of Ballybeen, son of John Orr and Mary Ann of Ballyalloly, born Feb. 18 1770 and died Feb.21 1843. His wife was Margaret Malcolm, born May 8 1762, died Jan.9 1861. William's grandfather John d. May 22 1772 aged 71. His first wife Mary McBurnie d July 3 1692 aged 40. Second wife Margaret McCullough d. July 22 1748 aged 72. Four of his children, Jane Margret, Eliz and Jean. His son John of B'alloly d. May 17 1742 aged 42 as well as his wife Eliz McGarry who d. Jan.2 1747 aged 45. My ancestor, John Macartney also farmed in Ballyalloly but has no gravestone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] William Orr of Ballybeen > Do members of this list know where Ballybeen townland or Parish is please? > > William had a older Brother James Orr of Munlough (1655-1728) who married > Jane Campbell > > While William married Agnes Boyd (1670-1741) and they had 6 named children > which goes to the third generation. > > If you know this townland or the family of William Orr and Agnes Boyd, I > would like to hear from you please. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are two Ballybeens. One near Dundonald and the other near Comber. I think yours is the latter and the Ros Davioes web site will have a map showing its location. The Orrs were one of the early settlers in the Ards and members married into just about every common name in the area. Most Orrs were in the Ballykeel/Munlough and Ballyblack townlands. The genealogy of the family of James Orr of Ballyblack, drawn up from tombstone inscriptions was worked out by Gawin Orr of Castlereagh and I think is shown on p. 66 of the Montgomery Manuscripts (Rev. George Hill). As I recall Sir Hugh Montgomery's plantation began about May 1606 and before he left Braidstone, Scotland, had induced Col. David Boyd to take part and he bargained with Montgomery for 1000 acres in Greyabbey Parish. I have been told that the name Orr derives from the parish of the same name in Kircudbrightshire and there was MacGiolla Orr in Kintyre, especially Campbelltown. Other explanations of the name in gaelic have been suggested. Likely you have heard of James Orr, The Bard of Ballycarry, who was a United irishman and after the '79 rebellion fled to America but returned under pardon. Following the '79 skirmish in Newtownards the rebel, Andrew Orr was sentenced to 500 lashes but oped for military service abroad for the rest of his life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] William Orr of Ballybeen > Do members of this list know where Ballybeen townland or Parish is please? > > William had a older Brother James Orr of Munlough (1655-1728) who married > Jane Campbell > > While William married Agnes Boyd (1670-1741) and they had 6 named children > which goes to the third generation. > > If you know this townland or the family of William Orr and Agnes Boyd, I > would like to hear from you please. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy: I, too, am researching the McKee family in County Down. I don't have too much to go on right now. My great-great grandfather, Nathaniel McKee, was born in 1786. He emigrated to the US in 1812. There were two Nathaniel McKees who were leaseholders in Ballybrian in the late 1700's to early 1800's. I think they might have been his father and grandfather. I would be interested in any information you turn up about the early records of the McKee family. -- Audry Rini

Bev, Thanks so much for some lookups. I'm looking for one family. Specifically the wedding record of: John Boyd McCormick b. 28 FEB 1873 in Belfast, Antrim, Ireland and his marriage to Sarah ? About 1894, likely in Belfast. I don't know if you can search in this way, as I don't know Sarah's last name. Also, the birth records of two of their children: William McCormick, b. abt 1895 and Minnie McCormick b. abt 1897 Both births likely in the Belfast area. The 1901 English census only lists "Ireland," but John's family was from Belfast. Slan, Andy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballybeen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com>; <BOYD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] William Boyd , MD, 1829-1884, of Hillborough, Co Down. > When I visited PRONI in August 2007, I found a chart on the family of > William Boyd, MD, of Hillborough, Co Down (1829-1884). > > His wife's name was Maria (no surname) - born 1826 and died 6 March 1906. > > William and Maria appear to have married about 1855 or 1856, but no date > was > given. His first son - Henry Johnston Boyd - was born in 1857 and was > also > a Doctor at Killborough and died 24 March 1925. > > The only data for William's parents was that of his mother, Dorothera - no > surnmae - born 1785 and died 1865. > > If you are a descendant of this family, I would like t hear from you > please. > Or know its origins? > > Thank you. > > Mike Boyd > Historical Committee, HBS > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: > 11/18/2007 5:15 PM > >

Raymond - here's a Newell record for you. Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 05 Feb 1882 Groom Name john HIGGINS Bride Name margaret NEWELL Church Kilkeel Roman Catholic Church Parish Kilkeel District 2 Civil District Kilkeel County Down Fiona.

Dear Bev, How kind of you to offer look-ups!! Could you check for Hamilton Wallace who married Mary Ann (Maryanne) Hasson/Hassan/Hassen/Hassam in 1842-1844 With so much appreciation, Sandy -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Kerlin Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:36 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com; Y-IRL group Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestors L & B Copeland wrote: > OK Patricia I will check it again.. Thank you. > Leonie. > Hi - I have joined today for a month $AU23 = £9.99. Nothing to rave about in my opinion (sorry to those who have found it helpful), but I think I already had most of their offerings, which I had found in other free resources. Three people I had born in Newry and they had recorded Tandragee in addition, so 3 records have been improved. One of their records had Great Grandmother as Amry, a simple typo, so was able to send an amendment to them. She was Mary Jane BELL married to James KERLIN. If anyone would like lookups, I would be pleased to help - still have 29 days to go <vbg>. Remember please, Y-IRL folk, it is only for ULSTER. http://www.emeraldancestors.com/ - for an initial looksee! Cheers Bev ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for the item you found re: Mary Ann Short. She is too old for my Annie but might be her mother.??? My Annie is Annie Mary Josephine SHORT born about 1888 but I know not where. Thank you once more Audrey.

Sorry, Nora, I have no experience or expertise with Clonduff records. Hoping someone else on our list does! Nan On Nov 18, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: > > Nan, > > Are there any records from St. John the Baptist, Ballygorian Beg? I > know the > records from Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Cabragh are with > St. John > the Evangelist Church but St. John the Evangelist Church didn't > open until > 1850. I've never got a satisfactory answer on where Catholics would > have been > baptized and/or married before 1850 if they lived in the > Bryansford Rd area > (but in Clonduff CP). A researcher did find my great grandparents' > marriage > record in Kilcoo Church but I'm not sure if my great grandfather > was also from > there since he was settled on Drumboniff townland by 1852. > > I wish there was a historian on the Catholic Church in the > Clonduff CP. > > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Searching in County Down for Grant/McManus/Morgan/Woods > Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands > > > > In a message dated 11/18/2007 2:06:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > _nan.brennan@mindspring.com_ (mailto:nan.brennan@mindspring.com) > writes: > >>> St. John the Evangelist Church served as the Parish Chapel of >>> Clonduff. It is located in the townland of Ballymaghery, >>> village of >>> Hilltown. Other Catholic Chaples in Clonduff Parish were St. >>> John the >>> Baptist, Ballygorian Beg, and Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, >>> Cabragh. > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Just to add to Bev's response........ The British Isles Vital Record Index Cd's from LDS turned up an interesting result. Entering Hassan, I put in the "h" Cd only to be told to put in the "a" surname Cd and low and behold there were the Hassan surnames and variants for births. As you will note 1865 is the starting point for the records and include one in Dublin and a couple in Donegal, but as Bev states it appears that Londonderry is probably one of few that has been transcribed as yet, but it does show that perhaps there are records in the wrong/or alternative spellings that were files phonetically perhaps with silent "h". The surnames are Hassan, Hasson, Hassin and Aussin, Ausen. Who knows why they are all under "a". and not "h". Gloria Sandra Wanamaker wrote: > > Dear Bev, > > How kind of you to offer look-ups!! > > Could you check for Hamilton Wallace who married Mary Ann (Maryanne) > > Hasson/Hassan/Hassen/Hassam in 1842-1844 > > With so much appreciation, > > Sandy > > >

Nan, Are there any records from St. John the Baptist, Ballygorian Beg? I know the records from Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Cabragh are with St. John the Evangelist Church but St. John the Evangelist Church didn't open until 1850. I've never got a satisfactory answer on where Catholics would have been baptized and/or married before 1850 if they lived in the Bryansford Rd area (but in Clonduff CP). A researcher did find my great grandparents' marriage record in Kilcoo Church but I'm not sure if my great grandfather was also from there since he was settled on Drumboniff townland by 1852. I wish there was a historian on the Catholic Church in the Clonduff CP. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Searching in County Down for Grant/McManus/Morgan/Woods Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands In a message dated 11/18/2007 2:06:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _nan.brennan@mindspring.com_ (mailto:nan.brennan@mindspring.com) writes: >> St. John the Evangelist Church served as the Parish Chapel of >> Clonduff. It is located in the townland of Ballymaghery, village of >> Hilltown. Other Catholic Chaples in Clonduff Parish were St. John the >> Baptist, Ballygorian Beg, and Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, >> Cabragh. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

STRAY record 1891 England Census Name: William Sloan Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Damn, Ireland*****Should be transcribed as County Down**** Civil parish: St Giles Ecclesiastical parish: St Belmont Town:Gilesgate Moor County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel:9 Fiona.

If your offer is still open could you please do a lookup for a death of Andrew Cowan or his wife Elizabeth Cowan in Co Down Many Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Kerlin" <bevkerlin@ozemail.com.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com>; "Y-IRL group" <Y-IRL@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestors L & B Copeland wrote: > OK Patricia I will check it again.. Thank you. > Leonie. > Hi - I have joined today for a month $AU23 = £9.99. Nothing to rave about in my opinion (sorry to those who have found it helpful), but I think I already had most of their offerings, which I had found in other free resources. Three people I had born in Newry and they had recorded Tandragee in addition, so 3 records have been improved. One of their records had Great Grandmother as Amry, a simple typo, so was able to send an amendment to them. She was Mary Jane BELL married to James KERLIN. If anyone would like lookups, I would be pleased to help - still have 29 days to go <vbg>. Remember please, Y-IRL folk, it is only for ULSTER. http://www.emeraldancestors.com/ - for an initial looksee! Cheers Bev ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message