Hi, Bev. Thanks very much. Am confused, I guess, because I'm used to the Scottish records available on Scotlandspeople, which give so much information. Are there death certs available which might state parents names? If so, how do I go about getting a copy, or at least the information from them? Did you already tell me this? If so, I don't mean to be a slow learner! Thanks again for your help and tutelage. You've been most kind. DAwn Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Kerlin" <bevkerlin@ozemail.com.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald Ancestors Lookup Request Deaths > Dawn Williams wrote: >> 1877 Thomas Aiken Newell Down >> > Record Type Wills Calendars > Date of Death 25 Feb 1877 > Year of Probate 1877 > Name Thomas Aiken Newell > County Down > Residence Ballyclander >> 1881 James Newell Down >> > Record Type Wills Calendars > Date of Death 13 Mar 1881 > Year of Probate 1906 > Name James Newell > County Down > Residence Cloughey Strangford > > Record Type Wills Calendars > Date of Death 31 Oct 1879 > Year of Probate 1880 > Name Robert Newell > County Down > Residence Ballymaderphy > (a "just in case" job, Dawn) > >> 1889 James Newal Down >> > Record Type Wills Calendars > Date of Death 7 Mar 1889 > Year of Probate 1890 > Name James Newal > County Down > Residence Drumond >> 1889 Henry Newell Tyrone >> >> >> Hello, Bev. Could I possible impose one more time for the above Deaths. >> Thomas Aiken Newell looks especially promising, since there is a later >> Thomas Aiken Newell in the family (born 1903 in NSW Aus.). James and >> Henry are also family names. Thank you so much for all you've done for >> everyone. >> Dawn Williams >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

1877 Thomas Aiken Newell Down 1881 James Newell Down 1889 James Newal Down 1889 Henry Newell Tyrone Hello, Bev. Could I possible impose one more time for the above Deaths. Thomas Aiken Newell looks especially promising, since there is a later Thomas Aiken Newell in the family (born 1903 in NSW Aus.). James and Henry are also family names. Thank you so much for all you've done for everyone. Dawn Williams

There is also a gravestone for a Robert and Jane Allen of Belfast in Bangor Abbey. (Small marble shield in a high railed enclosure, probably 1840-60. Interred here the remains of Robert Allen of Belfast. Also Jane, his beloved wife, with four of their children who died young. Since they were buried in Bangor it suggests at least one of them was from there. Looking at the 1843 Belfast Directory I see a John Allen, Shoemaker, 53 North Queen St. Another John Allen was a bricklayer, 32 Church Lane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh's reply to Allen (and a HANNA) > Hi Hugh > > Thanks for the info re: John and Agnes. I was not aware of their final > resting spot. I am trying to find info re my greatgrandmother Agnes Jane > Allen who gave birth to Margaret Allen on December 24 1888/9. No father is > listed on this birth cert. My grandmother however listed a John Allen as > her > father on her marriage cert to my grandfather James Beattie of Cottown in > 1906. It is not an easy puzzle to put together for sure. THe only other > clue > that I have is a letter to my grandmother in 1970 by her cousin Madge > Campbell of Rathmore St off Ravenhill Rd Belfast that mentioned the names > of > Archie, John and Freddie Allen. My grandmother never spoke of her family > that I know of when she was alive and my father knew nothing of them. Like > I > said, not an easy puzzle to fit together. > Anyway, thanks a million for the cemetery info > all the best > Jim > jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hugh Macartney" <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Allen (and a HANNA) > > >> Likely you are aware of John Allen & Agnes's gravestone in Bangor Abbey. >> She died 1883 Dec. 22. Daughter Sarah d. June 7 1885. John d. June 19 >> 1899. >> The inscription appears to have been arranged by Margaret Major. I think >> these Allens were related to the Allens of Crawfordsburn and Ballygrot >> (now >> Helen's Bay). >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net> >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Allen (and a HANNA) >> >> >>> Hi Bev >>> >>> Thanks a million and all the best >>> Jim >>> jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net >>> ----- Original Message ----- > Record Type Civil Birth >>>> Date of Birth 21 Nov 1870 >>>> Name Agnes Elizabeth ALLEN >>>> Gender F >>>> Fathers Name John ALLEN >>>> Mothers Maiden Name Agnes Elizabeth MCKEE >>>> Civil District Newtownards >>>> Sub District Bangor >>>> County Down >>>> >>>> Record Type Civil Birth >>>> Date of Birth 8 Sep 1870 >>>> Name Agnes Jane ALLEN >>>> Gender F >>>> Fathers Name John ALLEN >>>> Mothers Maiden Name Agnes HANNA >>>> Civil District Newtownards >>>> Sub District Bangor >>>> County Down >>>> >>>> No transcription for Margaret, Jim. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Bev >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bev Kerlin wrote: > Gail Wheeler wrote: > >> Hello Bev, >> >> When things slow down for you could you please look and see if there is >> anything about John Lindsay born in Co. Down in 1829? There is no rush >> for this at all. I am looking to find the name of his parents if at all >> possible. >> >> With thanks >> Gail >> >> > Sorry Gail - wish I could help, but the transcriptions for NIR births > begin 1864-1865. Do you have anything on his death? > > Good luck > Bev > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Hi Bev, I thought it might be a long shot. I have his death cert. but he died in Scotland and I don't think that his children even knew who his parents were. There are just lines through the bit where his parents names should have been... I also got the marriage cert. and there are no names on that either. I think it is going to be one of those brick walls. With thanks Gail

Hi Hugh Thanks for the info re: John and Agnes. I was not aware of their final resting spot. I am trying to find info re my greatgrandmother Agnes Jane Allen who gave birth to Margaret Allen on December 24 1888/9. No father is listed on this birth cert. My grandmother however listed a John Allen as her father on her marriage cert to my grandfather James Beattie of Cottown in 1906. It is not an easy puzzle to put together for sure. THe only other clue that I have is a letter to my grandmother in 1970 by her cousin Madge Campbell of Rathmore St off Ravenhill Rd Belfast that mentioned the names of Archie, John and Freddie Allen. My grandmother never spoke of her family that I know of when she was alive and my father knew nothing of them. Like I said, not an easy puzzle to fit together. Anyway, thanks a million for the cemetery info all the best Jim jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Macartney" <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Allen (and a HANNA) > Likely you are aware of John Allen & Agnes's gravestone in Bangor Abbey. > She died 1883 Dec. 22. Daughter Sarah d. June 7 1885. John d. June 19 > 1899. > The inscription appears to have been arranged by Margaret Major. I think > these Allens were related to the Allens of Crawfordsburn and Ballygrot > (now > Helen's Bay). > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Allen (and a HANNA) > > >> Hi Bev >> >> Thanks a million and all the best >> Jim >> jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net >> ----- Original Message ----- > Record Type Civil Birth >>> Date of Birth 21 Nov 1870 >>> Name Agnes Elizabeth ALLEN >>> Gender F >>> Fathers Name John ALLEN >>> Mothers Maiden Name Agnes Elizabeth MCKEE >>> Civil District Newtownards >>> Sub District Bangor >>> County Down >>> >>> Record Type Civil Birth >>> Date of Birth 8 Sep 1870 >>> Name Agnes Jane ALLEN >>> Gender F >>> Fathers Name John ALLEN >>> Mothers Maiden Name Agnes HANNA >>> Civil District Newtownards >>> Sub District Bangor >>> County Down >>> >>> No transcription for Margaret, Jim. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Bev >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Hugh, These places I know! Ballynagarrick was where the McMorrans and later the McConville family came from and Tandragee was where the McConville family ended up living (in the Aughlish Cottages). Looking ever more hopeful. Claire www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney Sent: 23 November 2007 17:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Griffith's Valuations Tullylish 1863-4 FOWLER William, George & Fergus, Ballynagarrick Upper. Richard, Stratmore Pk., Gilford William, Tanderagee Rd., Gilford

Thanks Hugh, what a pity he didn't leave me any records! Nicola -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney Sent: 23 November 2007 16:39 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Counting House, Newry, Co. Down. A counting house was an office where financial and accounting transactions were carried out as well as correspondence. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy5" <darcy5@eircom.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Counting House, Newry, Co. Down. > > > Can any one tell me what a counting house was? Apparently Charles Jennings > had a counting house at Ballybought Bridge, Newry about 1841 according to > the Field Books. He was a merchant with a warehouse on Merchants Quay. > Nicola Jennings > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: 22/11/2007 18:55

Can you help me identify the origin of the Keys surname in County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland? DNA testing has ruled out a genetic relationship with the Keys family at Lifford, which first appeared in Ireland under Elizabeth I and settled there under James 1. The first documented Keys in County Fermanagh is Hugh Keys born ca.1660 and died in 1733. A mention of a Widow Ki (or Kee?) on a 1720 survey suggests that the name may have evolved in that period. Documentary sources suggest that Keys (as well as other commono names such as MacKey, MacKay, MacKee, MacKoy, Hughes, Hewson, Eason, MacHugh and McGee) may have been an anglicized form of the Celtic Mac Aoidha (or son of Aodh, meaning "fire," anglicized as Hugh). In light of this, it may be relevant that the first documented Keys in Fermanagh bore the christian name Hugh. One family of McKee originated in Myrton-McKee, Penninghame, Wigton, Scotland and settled in counties Down and Antrim. This line appears to account for a large proportion of McKees in Northern Ireland. Another branch of Scottish McKees in Ireland derives from John McKie of Larg, Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright, descended from Sir Patrick McKie. This family settled in Derry. MacHugh originated in Galway and spread into County Roscommon. The name is now frequent in counties Leitrim and Fermanagh. The MacGee name in Ulster is either of Scottish, akin to MacDonnell (and thus ultimately Irish in origin), or is a from a Gaelic Irish group that lived on the Donegal and Tyrone borders. The early history of this branch is not known. Finally, one source indicates that MacKee can also be a anglicization of Macan Caoich (coach = blind), and was used by the Oreilly of Breffney. This later evolved into Key(e)s. Lastly, heraldry provides one further clue. The motifs on the Keys coats of arms found on gravestones in Fermanagh are common to many armorial bearings. However, one coat of arms in Scotland, that of the Aberach MacKay family, shows a strong resemblance. It has the lion rampant and hand in common with Keys arms, and also adds 10 fleur de lis on the outside of the shield. A relationship between the two is possible, but perhaps not probable. Barring further documentary evidence, we must appeal to DNA to unravel this mystery. I invite males bearing the surnames McKee, McGee, McHugh, Hughes and variants of these to help solve the riddle by participating in DNA projects. Please contact me if interested. Thank you. Roy Keys

Can any one tell me what a counting house was? Apparently Charles Jennings had a counting house at Ballybought Bridge, Newry about 1841 according to the Field Books. He was a merchant with a warehouse on Merchants Quay. Nicola Jennings

Hello Bev, When things slow down for you could you please look and see if there is anything about John Lindsay born in Co. Down in 1829? There is no rush for this at all. I am looking to find the name of his parents if at all possible. With thanks Gail

Sorry to have been a bother. I found my handwritten notes. Still can't find it online again - strange. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: Holleys To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer I seem unable to find an index to the Householders Index. I know I saw it a few weeks ago and wrote down the number of Burnside families in each county. Now I seemed to have mislaid the sheet of paper and can not find a link. Thank you for any help. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Muir, Roberta To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Hi, Claire Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck some of the list I have and get back to you next week. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Robert, Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran and Susanna Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will certainly let you know. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind offer. I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth Fowler. According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am really puzzled. Thank you in advance. Roberta Muir ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Claire Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck some of the list I have and get back to you next week. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Robert, Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran and Susanna Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will certainly let you know. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind offer. I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth Fowler. According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am really puzzled. Thank you in advance. Roberta Muir ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I seem unable to find an index to the Householders Index. I know I saw it a few weeks ago and wrote down the number of Burnside families in each county. Now I seemed to have mislaid the sheet of paper and can not find a link. Thank you for any help. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Muir, Roberta To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Hi, Claire Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck some of the list I have and get back to you next week. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Robert, Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran and Susanna Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will certainly let you know. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind offer. I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth Fowler. According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am really puzzled. Thank you in advance. Roberta Muir ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Griffith's Valuations Tullylish 1863-4 FOWLER William, George & Fergus, Ballynagarrick Upper. Richard, Stratmore Pk., Gilford William, Tanderagee Rd., Gilford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muir, Roberta" <Roberta.Muir@justice.gc.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > Hi, Claire > > Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. > > There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish > Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck > some of the list I have and get back to you next week. > > Roberta > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville > Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > > Robert, > > Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a > Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran > and Susanna > Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and > possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the > families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come > across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most > interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will > certainly let you know. > > Claire McConville > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta > Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > > I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind > offer. > > I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth > Fowler. > > According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents > were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler > and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. > The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in > with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in > Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said > he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". > > I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a > registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 > January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age > 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to > Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. > > Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths > married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am > really puzzled. > > Thank you in advance. > > Roberta Muir > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim & Sherry Beattie wrote: > Hi Bev > > Thanks very kindly for the lookup. I think the second might be the one but > am not sure. Would it be possible to ask for one more? There is an Agnes > Jane Allen listed as born in Cty. Down in 1870. My great grandmother was > Agnes Allen who gave birth to my grandmother Margaret in 1888 at Carnalea > and the age of 18 would be right for this Agnes. > Thanks and all the best > Jim Beattie > jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net > Record Type Civil Birth Date of Birth 21 Nov 1870 Name Agnes Elizabeth ALLEN Gender F Fathers Name John ALLEN Mothers Maiden Name Agnes Elizabeth MCKEE Civil District Newtownards Sub District Bangor County Down Record Type Civil Birth Date of Birth 8 Sep 1870 Name Agnes Jane ALLEN Gender F Fathers Name John ALLEN Mothers Maiden Name Agnes HANNA Civil District Newtownards Sub District Bangor County Down No transcription for Margaret, Jim. Cheers Bev

A counting house was an office where financial and accounting transactions were carried out as well as correspondence. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy5" <darcy5@eircom.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Counting House, Newry, Co. Down. > > > Can any one tell me what a counting house was? Apparently Charles Jennings > had a counting house at Ballybought Bridge, Newry about 1841 according to > the Field Books. He was a merchant with a warehouse on Merchants Quay. > Nicola Jennings > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Muir, Roberta wrote: > Many thanks for your time and effort. You probably did, but did you try > McEwan/McEwen - this is the way it was spelled once they arrived in > Scotland in 1871. Perhaps that is why there are two marriages > registered. > > Thanks, again. I'll keep trying to figure it out. > > Roberta > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Kerlin > Sent: November 21, 2007 6:45 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > > Muir, Roberta wrote: > >> I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind >> offer. >> >> I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth >> Fowler. >> >> According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents >> were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James >> > Fowler > >> and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, >> > Ballyesborough. > >> The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in >> with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born >> in Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it >> > > >> said he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in >> > Greyabbey". > >> I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a >> > > >> registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 >> January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon >> > age > >> 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, >> to Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. >> >> Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and >> Elizabeths married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got >> > > >> mixed? I am really puzzled. >> >> >> > Record Type Civil Marriage > Date of Marriage 04 Jan 1858 > Groom Name charles i MCKEOWN > Bride Name elizabeth FOWLER > Church Inishargy Church of Ireland > Parish Inishargy > Civil District Newtownards > County Down > > Roberta - I have searched for other possibilities re parents etc but > that entry is the only one I could find. Used various wildcards too. > > Looks as though your second one is correct. I can't find any other > Elizabeth Fowlers either. > > Bev > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Yes Roberta - I did use various Wildcards, and they only require the first 3 letters of a name, so I tried McE and McK. Must admit that I did not try Mac - I would have been here all year <vbg> Bev

Wrote to the Down Cathedral regarding a hopeful baptism for Samuel Mooney, for 1823. Had a reply from the Cathedral, a very kind person who works there looked up the records for me and there was no record. Not sure where to look now, any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks Joy Todd

I've followed the messages re Greyabbey with interest, since it's my understanding that Greyabbey was/is the parish for Ballycastle, where my 2gtgrfather James NEWALL/ELL was born bet 1819-1821. Could I ask if Glen could contact me offline please. A Newall cousin is planning to visit Greyabbey and Ballycastle in search of information about our family. This will be his first trip to the area, (James married and died in Burntisland, Fife, Scotland, and he has made numerous trips there with success in locating living family), and he would greatly appreciate any tips on where to stay in the area, and how to go about researching any available local records. Thanks so much in advance. Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > Greyabbey may be small, but it has a great genealogist there. Right, > Glen?? > > BF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <waseely@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer >> Hi Roberta & Claire, >> Was not Greyabbey similar to a County repository wherein "all" births, >> deaths, marriages in the Ards were deposited? Greyabbey is but a very >> small locale with a very small population >> in and of itself. >> Bill

Likely you are aware of John Allen & Agnes's gravestone in Bangor Abbey. She died 1883 Dec. 22. Daughter Sarah d. June 7 1885. John d. June 19 1899. The inscription appears to have been arranged by Margaret Major. I think these Allens were related to the Allens of Crawfordsburn and Ballygrot (now Helen's Bay). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Allen (and a HANNA) > Hi Bev > > Thanks a million and all the best > Jim > jim.sherrybeattie@kos.net > ----- Original Message ----- > Record Type Civil Birth >> Date of Birth 21 Nov 1870 >> Name Agnes Elizabeth ALLEN >> Gender F >> Fathers Name John ALLEN >> Mothers Maiden Name Agnes Elizabeth MCKEE >> Civil District Newtownards >> Sub District Bangor >> County Down >> >> Record Type Civil Birth >> Date of Birth 8 Sep 1870 >> Name Agnes Jane ALLEN >> Gender F >> Fathers Name John ALLEN >> Mothers Maiden Name Agnes HANNA >> Civil District Newtownards >> Sub District Bangor >> County Down >> >> No transcription for Margaret, Jim. >> >> Cheers >> Bev >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message