Another good map. Raymond http://www.us.map24.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: <nir-down-request@rootsweb.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:20 AM Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 543 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: San Bernardino, CA Data (Claire McConville) > 2. Re: Subject: Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic > (Claire McConville) > 3. Re: San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society & California > History Room (Roxanne Neel) > 4. Re: San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society & California > History Room (Robt & Wendy Stevenson) > 5. Re: San Bernardino, CA Data (Robt & Wendy Stevenson) > 6. Re: San Bernardino, CA Data (Holleys) > 7. map (the_researcher) > 8. Re: map (Murray Lynn) > 9. Re: San Bernardino, CA Data (KPagape@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:04:00 -0000 > From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <028f01c838b8$7dd07310$79715930$@pipex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Kathy, > > I have found the below on ancestry.com > > Name: Joan R Latty > Birth Date: Sep 1939 > Street address: 127 Cypress Cir > City: Ashland > County: Jackson > State: Oregon > Zip Code: 97520 > Phone Number: 541-488-3260 > Record Number: 78562100 > Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year > Fred M Latty > Fred S Latty > Fredric M Latty 72 1935 > Fredric M Latty 68 1939 > Joan Latty > Joan R Latty 68 1939 > > The birth year would be about right. > > Another thing I found and noticed the San Bernadino link is this.... > > Thomas Emerson Lattie > Name: Thomas Emerson Lattie > Social Security #: 572500656 > Sex: MALE > Birth Date: 1 Feb 1929 > Birthplace: California > Death Date: 22 Mar 1990 > Death Place: San Bernardino > Mother's Maiden Name: Emerson > > > I will look for more later on. > > Claire > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com > Sent: 06 December 2007 17:12 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > Hello Barb, > thank you for the offer of helping. I'll give you a short (hopefully) > run > > down on what I have and what I'm looking for. > When I met my husband "Tom Page" 23 years ago, he had told me that he was > "adopted" when he was 2 by a family who changed his name. He said he > found > out > when he was around 12 years old that he was not related to the family > that > had raised him. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:08:44 -0000 > From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Subject: Re: I need to pick your brains=off > topic > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <029001c838b9$26747250$735d56f0$@pipex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > To be honest, I wouldn't say the thread is exactly off topic. It's clearly > genealogically based. There would be no reason to shut the thread. > > Claire McConville > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Gloria > Sent: 07 December 2007 04:08 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Subject: Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic > > First, I'm fascinated that this off topic thread has survived so long! > Most boards would have shut it down long ago. > I'm not complaining! I think it is wonderful that so many offer help. > We all have these sheep somewhere in our past. > > Now you have me hooked too! Does anyone have Ancestry.com access > subscription? I found this and my experience is Norfolk accent > spellings. Perhaps the south had the same problem as > Latta/Latte/Lattey/Lattie etc are all the same. > This record is the only one I could find for Rebecca Lattie and it is > just close enough to be a viable record. ie Jennifer could be Jen and > later Joane > Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997 > <http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8781&enc=1> > View Record Name Birth Date Gender Birth County Father's > name > Mother's name View Image > > View Record <javascript:go8781_8989461()> > Jennifer Rebecca Latta date <javascript:go8781_8989461()> > Female > Lubbock name <javascript:go8781_8989461()> surname > <javascript:go8781_8989461()> name <javascript:go8781_8989461()> > surname <javascript:go8781_8989461()> > <http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8781&iid=TXBTH_1974_00 > 08d13&fn=Jennifer+Rebecca&ln=Latta&st=d&ssrc=&pid=11813115> > > > > > > > My great aunt was a housekeeper in England for a widower with a daughter > a year older than herself. In 1851 she has six children and is > unmarried. When I checked the 1861 census she is married and 6 children > are listed. The two now have the widower's names added as middle > names. Finally found the marriage in 1856. It seems he finally made an > honest woman of her. > > *Descendants of James Marsham* > > Page 1 > > 6 Dec 2007 > > *1. James Marsham (b.1797)* > > sp: Sarah Sizer (b.23 Sep 1821;m.17 Mar 1856;d.29 May 1890-All > Saints,Catfield) > > 2. Susan Sizer (c.8 Aug 1841) > > 2. Mary Ann Marsham Sizer (b.March Qtr 1845) > > 2. Phoebe Sizer (b.June Qtr 1847;d.28 Sep 1856-All Saints,Catfield) > > 2. George Sizer (b.1848) > > sp: Mary Ann Blaxell (b.5 Jun 1859;m.21 Oct 1884) > > 2. William Marsham Sizer (b.Mar 1849) > > 2. Charles Sizer (b.18 Mar 1849) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:06:24 -0800 > From: Roxanne Neel <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society & > California History Room > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <47596170.1020606@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kathy, > If you haven't already, you might want to try this link to the San > Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society > http://www.empirenet.com/~sbpl/genealogy.html. The California History > Room is also in this particular library and has many reference materials > including high school annuals going back many years. In the 1950s, the > two local high schools were San Bernardino High School and Pacific High > School (which happened to be just around the corner from the San > Bernardino County Hospital). > Best Wishes, > Roxanne > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:58:15 -0500 > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society & > California History Room > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001e01c838fa$be9ba530$730fefd1@MUMMY> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I just love this site!! It's wonderful that people from all over are > making > such an effort to help Tom and Kathy, and that the list is allowing > 'current > genealogy'. It's the same puzzle whatever the generation. Thanks List. > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society & > California History Room > > >> Kathy, >> If you haven't already, you might want to try this link to the San >> Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society >> http://www.empirenet.com/~sbpl/genealogy.html. The California History >> Room is also in this particular library and has many reference materials >> including high school annuals going back many years. In the 1950s, the >> two local high schools were San Bernardino High School and Pacific High >> School (which happened to be just around the corner from the San >> Bernardino County Hospital). >> Best Wishes, >> Roxanne >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:56:41 -0500 > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001301c838fa$86a77500$730fefd1@MUMMY> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Claire, > this looks like the jack-pot. Coincidentally - and this seems far too > simple - but I also sent Kathy a white pages listing for Joan R Lattie in > Santa Clara, CA.....As soon as she mentioned Joan R instead of Rebecca > Joan, > the penny dropped! > Given the 'family circumstance' it will be a very delicate issue to try to > contact birth mum.... > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > >> Kathy, >> >> I have found the below on ancestry.com >> >> Name: Joan R Latty >> Birth Date: Sep 1939 >> Street address: 127 Cypress Cir >> City: Ashland >> County: Jackson >> State: Oregon >> Zip Code: 97520 >> Phone Number: 541-488-3260 >> Record Number: 78562100 >> Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year >> Fred M Latty >> Fred S Latty >> Fredric M Latty 72 1935 >> Fredric M Latty 68 1939 >> Joan Latty >> Joan R Latty 68 1939 >> >> The birth year would be about right. >> >> Another thing I found and noticed the San Bernadino link is this.... >> >> Thomas Emerson Lattie >> Name: Thomas Emerson Lattie >> Social Security #: 572500656 >> Sex: MALE >> Birth Date: 1 Feb 1929 >> Birthplace: California >> Death Date: 22 Mar 1990 >> Death Place: San Bernardino >> Mother's Maiden Name: Emerson >> >> >> I will look for more later on. >> >> Claire >> >> www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com >> Sent: 06 December 2007 17:12 >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data >> >> Hello Barb, >> thank you for the offer of helping. I'll give you a short (hopefully) >> run >> >> down on what I have and what I'm looking for. >> When I met my husband "Tom Page" 23 years ago, he had told me that he >> was >> "adopted" when he was 2 by a family who changed his name. He said he >> found >> out >> when he was around 12 years old that he was not related to the family >> that >> had raised him. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:46:00 -0600 > From: "Holleys" <ljholley@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001f01c83909$cc3d7dd0$e7645444@oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Has anyone heard from Kathy concerning these last suggestions? It surely > looks promising. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > > Claire, > this looks like the jack-pot. Coincidentally - and this seems far too > simple - but I also sent Kathy a white pages listing for Joan R Lattie in > Santa Clara, CA.....As soon as she mentioned Joan R instead of Rebecca > Joan, > the penny dropped! > Given the 'family circumstance' it will be a very delicate issue to try > to > contact birth mum.... > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > > > Kathy, > > > > I have found the below on ancestry.com > > > > Name: Joan R Latty > > Birth Date: Sep 1939 > > Street address: 127 Cypress Cir > > City: Ashland > > County: Jackson > > State: Oregon > > Zip Code: 97520 > > Phone Number: 541-488-3260 > > Record Number: 78562100 > > Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year > > Fred M Latty > > Fred S Latty > > Fredric M Latty 72 1935 > > Fredric M Latty 68 1939 > > Joan Latty > > Joan R Latty 68 1939 > > > > The birth year would be about right. > > > > Another thing I found and noticed the San Bernadino link is this.... > > > > Thomas Emerson Lattie > > Name: Thomas Emerson Lattie > > Social Security #: 572500656 > > Sex: MALE > > Birth Date: 1 Feb 1929 > > Birthplace: California > > Death Date: 22 Mar 1990 > > Death Place: San Bernardino > > Mother's Maiden Name: Emerson > > > > > > I will look for more later on. > > > > Claire > > > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com > > Sent: 06 December 2007 17:12 > > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > > > Hello Barb, > > thank you for the offer of helping. I'll give you a short > (hopefully) > > run > > > > down on what I have and what I'm looking for. > > When I met my husband "Tom Page" 23 years ago, he had told me that he > was > > "adopted" when he was 2 by a family who changed his name. He said he > > found > > out > > when he was around 12 years old that he was not related to the family > > that > > had raised him. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:38:41 -0000 > From: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] map > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601c8392a$4d159990$4001a8c0@your5ayqxxxsvu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Here is a good map website, in different parts of the world you can see > your house > > Raymond > > > > http://maps.live.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:45:45 +1300 > From: Murray Lynn <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] map > To: the_researcher <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com>, > nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4759E939.6030705@paradise.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Raymond > Have you noticed the 3D" views in places? Great Yarmouth is one such > area as are many other smaller cities in England. They have taken aerial > photos from low flying aircraft. They are taken at an angle of about 45 > degrees, looking in 4 directions and so you can see all 4 sides of a > building. > > Kind Regards > > Murray > Christchurch > New Zealand > > Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> > > * Cemeteries of New Zealand - Map, List and Web-links > * Parishes of Northern Ireland - Map > * Our Family History > > > > the_researcher wrote: >> Here is a good map website, in different parts of the world you can see >> your house >> >> Raymond >> >> >> >> http://maps.live.com/ >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:19:31 EST > From: KPagape@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c8b.1da31f71.348b5933@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi All! > I took a break from the computer today (since its getting close to > Christmas > and I've done nothing except my research for weeks and I need to clear my > head) When I got home I decided to follow up on some of the leads that > you all > were so helpful in getting me. The first thing I did was call the only > "Creepy brother from the creepy family." This is what he said to me. > "Why don't > you just go outside and get some fresh air or do some Christmas shopping > and > forget all this nonsense" Well, I replied "Jack, you know who your > parents > were. You knew your brothers and sisters. Tom only knows Steve and he's > never had any one to fill in the blanks for him." He got quiet and said > "I > don't know anything" I said "You were 10 or 11 when Tom came to live > with you, > surely you remember something! He said, "my mom babysat him every day, > then > one day, he just stayed and she never came to pick him up" I asked > "Where did > she meet your family?" and he said "My mother used to go to the corner > bar > and she met her there" He said "Maybe mom had a picture of her > somewhere" > Maybe when I get time, I can go through mom's old things" That was the > extent > of our conversation. > > Then I got the nerve to try the Joan R. Latty in Oregon (that was > suggested > from this board) and I called her up and her daughter answered. She was > extremely nice and told me that her mother's name is Joan Roberts Latty. > She > said that they are Native American and that their name has been spelled > Latty > for several hundred years. She gave me her aunt's phone number and said > she > has done genealogy for a long time (and for their family) and to try her > and > see if she knows of any other Joan Latty's in the family. I struck out > this > time, but now am going to try the one in Santa Clara next. > > Again, thank you for all your support, wonderful comments and help! You > all > are angels. > > Love, > Kathy > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to > NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to > NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 543 > **************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1176 - Release Date: > 06/12/2007 23:15 > >

Here is a good map website, in different parts of the world you can see your house Raymond http://maps.live.com/

Hi All! I took a break from the computer today (since its getting close to Christmas and I've done nothing except my research for weeks and I need to clear my head) When I got home I decided to follow up on some of the leads that you all were so helpful in getting me. The first thing I did was call the only "Creepy brother from the creepy family." This is what he said to me. "Why don't you just go outside and get some fresh air or do some Christmas shopping and forget all this nonsense" Well, I replied "Jack, you know who your parents were. You knew your brothers and sisters. Tom only knows Steve and he's never had any one to fill in the blanks for him." He got quiet and said "I don't know anything" I said "You were 10 or 11 when Tom came to live with you, surely you remember something! He said, "my mom babysat him every day, then one day, he just stayed and she never came to pick him up" I asked "Where did she meet your family?" and he said "My mother used to go to the corner bar and she met her there" He said "Maybe mom had a picture of her somewhere" Maybe when I get time, I can go through mom's old things" That was the extent of our conversation. Then I got the nerve to try the Joan R. Latty in Oregon (that was suggested from this board) and I called her up and her daughter answered. She was extremely nice and told me that her mother's name is Joan Roberts Latty. She said that they are Native American and that their name has been spelled Latty for several hundred years. She gave me her aunt's phone number and said she has done genealogy for a long time (and for their family) and to try her and see if she knows of any other Joan Latty's in the family. I struck out this time, but now am going to try the one in Santa Clara next. Again, thank you for all your support, wonderful comments and help! You all are angels. Love, Kathy **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Has anyone heard from Kathy concerning these last suggestions? It surely looks promising. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data Claire, this looks like the jack-pot. Coincidentally - and this seems far too simple - but I also sent Kathy a white pages listing for Joan R Lattie in Santa Clara, CA.....As soon as she mentioned Joan R instead of Rebecca Joan, the penny dropped! Given the 'family circumstance' it will be a very delicate issue to try to contact birth mum.... Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > Kathy, > > I have found the below on ancestry.com > > Name: Joan R Latty > Birth Date: Sep 1939 > Street address: 127 Cypress Cir > City: Ashland > County: Jackson > State: Oregon > Zip Code: 97520 > Phone Number: 541-488-3260 > Record Number: 78562100 > Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year > Fred M Latty > Fred S Latty > Fredric M Latty 72 1935 > Fredric M Latty 68 1939 > Joan Latty > Joan R Latty 68 1939 > > The birth year would be about right. > > Another thing I found and noticed the San Bernadino link is this.... > > Thomas Emerson Lattie > Name: Thomas Emerson Lattie > Social Security #: 572500656 > Sex: MALE > Birth Date: 1 Feb 1929 > Birthplace: California > Death Date: 22 Mar 1990 > Death Place: San Bernardino > Mother's Maiden Name: Emerson > > > I will look for more later on. > > Claire > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com > Sent: 06 December 2007 17:12 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > Hello Barb, > thank you for the offer of helping. I'll give you a short (hopefully) > run > > down on what I have and what I'm looking for. > When I met my husband "Tom Page" 23 years ago, he had told me that he was > "adopted" when he was 2 by a family who changed his name. He said he > found > out > when he was around 12 years old that he was not related to the family > that > had raised him. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just love this site!! It's wonderful that people from all over are making such an effort to help Tom and Kathy, and that the list is allowing 'current genealogy'. It's the same puzzle whatever the generation. Thanks List. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society & California History Room > Kathy, > If you haven't already, you might want to try this link to the San > Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society > http://www.empirenet.com/~sbpl/genealogy.html. The California History > Room is also in this particular library and has many reference materials > including high school annuals going back many years. In the 1950s, the > two local high schools were San Bernardino High School and Pacific High > School (which happened to be just around the corner from the San > Bernardino County Hospital). > Best Wishes, > Roxanne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Claire, this looks like the jack-pot. Coincidentally - and this seems far too simple - but I also sent Kathy a white pages listing for Joan R Lattie in Santa Clara, CA.....As soon as she mentioned Joan R instead of Rebecca Joan, the penny dropped! Given the 'family circumstance' it will be a very delicate issue to try to contact birth mum.... Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > Kathy, > > I have found the below on ancestry.com > > Name: Joan R Latty > Birth Date: Sep 1939 > Street address: 127 Cypress Cir > City: Ashland > County: Jackson > State: Oregon > Zip Code: 97520 > Phone Number: 541-488-3260 > Record Number: 78562100 > Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year > Fred M Latty > Fred S Latty > Fredric M Latty 72 1935 > Fredric M Latty 68 1939 > Joan Latty > Joan R Latty 68 1939 > > The birth year would be about right. > > Another thing I found and noticed the San Bernadino link is this.... > > Thomas Emerson Lattie > Name: Thomas Emerson Lattie > Social Security #: 572500656 > Sex: MALE > Birth Date: 1 Feb 1929 > Birthplace: California > Death Date: 22 Mar 1990 > Death Place: San Bernardino > Mother's Maiden Name: Emerson > > > I will look for more later on. > > Claire > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com > Sent: 06 December 2007 17:12 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data > > Hello Barb, > thank you for the offer of helping. I'll give you a short (hopefully) > run > > down on what I have and what I'm looking for. > When I met my husband "Tom Page" 23 years ago, he had told me that he was > "adopted" when he was 2 by a family who changed his name. He said he > found > out > when he was around 12 years old that he was not related to the family > that > had raised him. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes! I agree. This is very interesting. My sister adopted a baby in 1976 due to the mother who's name was SPENCE too!, not being able to care for her she put the girl up for adoption and her sister took the boy who was two years older. I wonder if there is an unhealthy connection with the SPENCE line...Leonie, Victoria, Australia. Copeland Connections lebrac3@bigpond.com -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WLCHAPPELL@aol.com Sent: Friday, 7 December 2007 8:06 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data Don't apologize. I bet we're all hooked on this. Don't leave us out! Or at least let us know how it eventually resolves. Isabella In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:15:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, KPagape@aol.com writes: In a message dated 12/6/2007 8:30:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, stevensons@odyssey.on.ca writes: how about a request in the Reader to Reader section of the relevant newspapers That's an avenue I haven't tried. By the way, I think I just replied to the whole list, so my apologies for rambling on to all of you. I appreciate all your wonderful suggestions and helpfulness. It means so much to me! Love, Kathy **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Holleys wrote: > Sorry, make that Could Not have his DNA done because I was a woman. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Holleys > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run > > > I was told that my son could have his DNA done to prove our Drane > ancestry because I was a woman and it needed to come down through only > males. Is this not true? Put most simply there are two kinds of DNA test - yDNA which ONLY shows the male line and Mitchondrial DNA which ONLY shows the female line. So there is no way of proving, for example, your mother's father's line from anyone in your family. You would have to use a male member of your mother's brothers'(if any) families. Confused? Draw yourself a tree and look for the all male or all female lines. Those are the ones that can be researched via DNA at the moment. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther & St Clements, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org michael.lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au ====

I have found Joan was often interchanged with Jean in my family and sometimes Jane Or perhaps Joan used Rebecca as a prefered name. But these alternatives have probably been considered or suggested. Perhaps she didn't use her own name when the birth was registered. Good Luck with your searching.

To be honest, I wouldn't say the thread is exactly off topic. It's clearly genealogically based. There would be no reason to shut the thread. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: 07 December 2007 04:08 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Subject: Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic First, I'm fascinated that this off topic thread has survived so long! Most boards would have shut it down long ago. I'm not complaining! I think it is wonderful that so many offer help. We all have these sheep somewhere in our past. Now you have me hooked too! Does anyone have Ancestry.com access subscription? I found this and my experience is Norfolk accent spellings. Perhaps the south had the same problem as Latta/Latte/Lattey/Lattie etc are all the same. This record is the only one I could find for Rebecca Lattie and it is just close enough to be a viable record. ie Jennifer could be Jen and later Joane Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997 <http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8781&enc=1> View Record Name Birth Date Gender Birth County Father's name Mother's name View Image View Record <javascript:go8781_8989461()> Jennifer Rebecca Latta date <javascript:go8781_8989461()> Female Lubbock name <javascript:go8781_8989461()> surname <javascript:go8781_8989461()> name <javascript:go8781_8989461()> surname <javascript:go8781_8989461()> <http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8781&iid=TXBTH_1974_00 08d13&fn=Jennifer+Rebecca&ln=Latta&st=d&ssrc=&pid=11813115> My great aunt was a housekeeper in England for a widower with a daughter a year older than herself. In 1851 she has six children and is unmarried. When I checked the 1861 census she is married and 6 children are listed. The two now have the widower's names added as middle names. Finally found the marriage in 1856. It seems he finally made an honest woman of her. *Descendants of James Marsham* Page 1 6 Dec 2007 *1. James Marsham (b.1797)* sp: Sarah Sizer (b.23 Sep 1821;m.17 Mar 1856;d.29 May 1890-All Saints,Catfield) 2. Susan Sizer (c.8 Aug 1841) 2. Mary Ann Marsham Sizer (b.March Qtr 1845) 2. Phoebe Sizer (b.June Qtr 1847;d.28 Sep 1856-All Saints,Catfield) 2. George Sizer (b.1848) sp: Mary Ann Blaxell (b.5 Jun 1859;m.21 Oct 1884) 2. William Marsham Sizer (b.Mar 1849) 2. Charles Sizer (b.18 Mar 1849)

Kathy, I have found the below on ancestry.com Name: Joan R Latty Birth Date: Sep 1939 Street address: 127 Cypress Cir City: Ashland County: Jackson State: Oregon Zip Code: 97520 Phone Number: 541-488-3260 Record Number: 78562100 Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year Fred M Latty Fred S Latty Fredric M Latty 72 1935 Fredric M Latty 68 1939 Joan Latty Joan R Latty 68 1939 The birth year would be about right. Another thing I found and noticed the San Bernadino link is this.... Thomas Emerson Lattie Name: Thomas Emerson Lattie Social Security #: 572500656 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 1 Feb 1929 Birthplace: California Death Date: 22 Mar 1990 Death Place: San Bernardino Mother's Maiden Name: Emerson I will look for more later on. Claire www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com Sent: 06 December 2007 17:12 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] San Bernardino, CA Data Hello Barb, thank you for the offer of helping. I'll give you a short (hopefully) run down on what I have and what I'm looking for. When I met my husband "Tom Page" 23 years ago, he had told me that he was "adopted" when he was 2 by a family who changed his name. He said he found out when he was around 12 years old that he was not related to the family that had raised him.

Your great grandmother may have been employed as housekeeper for the widower. It wasn't uncommon for that to lead to marriage either before or after the birth of a child. M Robinson.

Kathy, If you haven't already, you might want to try this link to the San Bernardino Valley Genealogical Society http://www.empirenet.com/~sbpl/genealogy.html. The California History Room is also in this particular library and has many reference materials including high school annuals going back many years. In the 1950s, the two local high schools were San Bernardino High School and Pacific High School (which happened to be just around the corner from the San Bernardino County Hospital). Best Wishes, Roxanne

My biological father's mother's line is Freeman. I am searching for my biological father's father's line which is Drane. My GGrandfather's father is unknown to me although many of the Drane women claimed DAR status because of very flawed research done during the 40's. I am 67 and my GGrandfather was born in 1776 - how about that for a lot of men marrying really young women! I don't think I would believe it myself if I had not done the research and know it is true. My biological ggrandfather was 70 when my grandfather was born, my grandfather was in his late 50's when my father was born, and my father was 38 when I was born. Fortunately, I broke the chain, I was only 26 when my son was born. ----- Original Message ----- From: cristy To: michael.lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au ; nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run How about your father's mother's line? Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lightfoot" <michael.lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run > Holleys wrote: >> Sorry, make that Could Not have his DNA done because I was a woman. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Holleys >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run >> >> >> I was told that my son could have his DNA done to prove our Drane >> ancestry because I was a woman and it needed to come down through only >> males. Is this not true? > > Put most simply there are two kinds of DNA test - yDNA which ONLY shows > the male line and Mitchondrial DNA which ONLY shows the female line. > > So there is no way of proving, for example, your mother's father's line > from anyone in your family. You would have to use a male member of your > mother's brothers'(if any) families. Confused? Draw yourself a tree and > look for the all male or all female lines. Those are the ones that can be > researched via DNA at the moment. > > -- > ==== > Michael Lightfoot > Canberra, Australia > OPC Merther & St Clements, Cornwall > see http://www.cornwall-opc.org > michael.lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au > ==== > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How about your father's mother's line? Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lightfoot" <michael.lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run > Holleys wrote: >> Sorry, make that Could Not have his DNA done because I was a woman. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Holleys >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run >> >> >> I was told that my son could have his DNA done to prove our Drane >> ancestry because I was a woman and it needed to come down through only >> males. Is this not true? > > Put most simply there are two kinds of DNA test - yDNA which ONLY shows > the male line and Mitchondrial DNA which ONLY shows the female line. > > So there is no way of proving, for example, your mother's father's line > from anyone in your family. You would have to use a male member of your > mother's brothers'(if any) families. Confused? Draw yourself a tree and > look for the all male or all female lines. Those are the ones that can be > researched via DNA at the moment. > > -- > ==== > Michael Lightfoot > Canberra, Australia > OPC Merther & St Clements, Cornwall > see http://www.cornwall-opc.org > michael.lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au > ==== > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

First, I'm fascinated that this off topic thread has survived so long! Most boards would have shut it down long ago. I'm not complaining! I think it is wonderful that so many offer help. We all have these sheep somewhere in our past. Now you have me hooked too! Does anyone have Ancestry.com access subscription? I found this and my experience is Norfolk accent spellings. Perhaps the south had the same problem as Latta/Latte/Lattey/Lattie etc are all the same. This record is the only one I could find for Rebecca Lattie and it is just close enough to be a viable record. ie Jennifer could be Jen and later Joane Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997 <http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8781&enc=1> View Record Name Birth Date Gender Birth County Father's name Mother's name View Image View Record <javascript:go8781_8989461()> Jennifer Rebecca Latta date <javascript:go8781_8989461()> Female Lubbock name <javascript:go8781_8989461()> surname <javascript:go8781_8989461()> name <javascript:go8781_8989461()> surname <javascript:go8781_8989461()> <http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8781&iid=TXBTH_1974_0008d13&fn=Jennifer+Rebecca&ln=Latta&st=d&ssrc=&pid=11813115> My great aunt was a housekeeper in England for a widower with a daughter a year older than herself. In 1851 she has six children and is unmarried. When I checked the 1861 census she is married and 6 children are listed. The two now have the widower's names added as middle names. Finally found the marriage in 1856. It seems he finally made an honest woman of her. *Descendants of James Marsham* Page 1 6 Dec 2007 *1. James Marsham (b.1797)* sp: Sarah Sizer (b.23 Sep 1821;m.17 Mar 1856;d.29 May 1890-All Saints,Catfield) 2. Susan Sizer (c.8 Aug 1841) 2. Mary Ann Marsham Sizer (b.March Qtr 1845) 2. Phoebe Sizer (b.June Qtr 1847;d.28 Sep 1856-All Saints,Catfield) 2. George Sizer (b.1848) sp: Mary Ann Blaxell (b.5 Jun 1859;m.21 Oct 1884) 2. William Marsham Sizer (b.Mar 1849) 2. Charles Sizer (b.18 Mar 1849)

Sort of. Males have DNA testing done through the paternal line (i.e. if your name is Holley, only Holley males would test the same, so if you are a daughter Holley, you would need to get a brother or male descendent to test). However, there is also mitrocondial testing, which is done through the female line. It is not associated with surnames, as the females test, their mothers, and grandmotherss, etc. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holleys" <ljholley@comcast.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run >I was told that my son could have his DNA done to prove our Drane ancestry >because I was a woman and it needed to come down through only males. Is >this not true? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: harveynbarbara@aol.com > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN/Have DNA Run > > > Kathy: After hearing your husband's story, it is my feeling that maybe > you > should take a break from the usual "stuff of genie research" and (as > someone > else suggested) have the DNA done. Not only is it enlightening to have > it > done, but it might give him a fresh look on the whole ancestry thing. > > It is very reasonable now to have the DNA testing done (about 5 > companies in > the U.S. are very good....and including the Genographic Project by the > National Geographic people). > > There are some things in my family lineage that I just am never going to > know for sure, but I left these things "simmer on the back burner." > Relax, > enjoy what is happening now....maybe your Tom has enough sketches from > his past > and that is that. > > At any rate, I don't recognize any of his surnames involved in the > search. > Wish I did. My little area was fairly small and everyone knew > everyone!! > > Best of luck to you all. > > Barb By. > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am the administrator of the British Isles DNA project. My opinion is that DNA testing can be a very useful adjunct to paper research, but will certainly never substitute for it. Those interested in pursuing this resource must be aware that there are limits to what it can offer. Since Y-DNA is passed only through the male line (father to son, to son to son, etc.) it can only be used to trace the paternal line (father to father to father to father, etc.). Since only males have Y-DNA, only males can be tested on Y-DNA, which can potentially help trace a surname. Mitochondrial DNA, meanwhile, is passed from mothers to both children, and is therefore used to trace the maternal line (mother to mother to mother to mother, etc.). Since both males and females inherit mtDNA, both may donate, and in both cases, it is only the mother's maternal line that is traced. Furthermore, since Y-DNA and mtDNA mutate at different rates, their utility for genealogical purposes is somewhat different. Y-DNA mutates relatively quickly, and can therefore potentially provide information about ancestors in genealogical time (i.e., in 100s to 1000s of years). mtDNA mutates more slowly, and is therefore more suited to tracing ancient ancestry (1000s to 10,000s of years). Please keep these thoughts in mind when considering the use of DNA as a genealogical aid. Roy in Montreal

Kathy: After hearing your husband's story, it is my feeling that maybe you should take a break from the usual "stuff of genie research" and (as someone else suggested) have the DNA done. Not only is it enlightening to have it done, but it might give him a fresh look on the whole ancestry thing. It is very reasonable now to have the DNA testing done (about 5 companies in the U.S. are very good....and including the Genographic Project by the National Geographic people). There are some things in my family lineage that I just am never going to know for sure, but I left these things "simmer on the back burner." Relax, enjoy what is happening now....maybe your Tom has enough sketches from his past and that is that. At any rate, I don't recognize any of his surnames involved in the search. Wish I did. My little area was fairly small and everyone knew everyone!! Best of luck to you all. Barb By. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)