Further to that, the Boar is the crest of the Owen Clan who lived on both sides of the Irish Sea. donkelly Owen Rutledge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalind Davies" <daviesmarner@optusnet.com.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Arthur Guinness >> Guinness origins begin to settle The origins of a pint of Guinness >> appear to be much humbler than the man who gave the world "the black >> stuff" wanted us to think. >> >> Recent testing by Trinity College Dublin of Guinness family DNA has >> shown that Arthur Guinness's claims of being a descendant of the >> Magennis chieftains of Iveagh, County Down, were nothing more than >> aspirational. >> >> Despite this, when he married in 1761, he is even said to have had a >> silver cup engraved with the Magennis crest, which features the red >> hand of Ulster, a lion and a boar. The research, featured in a new >> book, has shown that the family tree of the man, whose name still >> appears on kegs and pint glasses across the globe, actually stems from >> another County Down clan, the less revered and wealthy McCartans. >> Furthermore, it appears that Arthur Guinness wasn't even among the >> upper echelons of this particular clan. >> >> Presidential links >> While the McCartans may not have had the social standing of the >> Magennises, they can count among their descendants none other than >> former French president Charles De Gaulle. De Gaulle's >> great-grandmother was Marie Angelique McCartan. >> To cloud the issue even further, the McCartan spiritual home is a >> townland called Guiness (note the absence of an 'n') near Ballynahinch. >> If this has whetted your appetite to delve deeper into the life and >> times of Arthur Guinness, you could pick up a copy of Arthur's Round: >> The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness. >> >> Story from BBC NEWS: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/7145951.stm >> >> Best wishes, > Ros Davies > > Sydney > Australia > Check out my Co. Down, Ireland Genealogy Research Site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies > Information on over 350,000 names, places & churches; > townland maps and photos of over 400 churches and towns > > Searching for: > -------------------------------------------- > DAVIES in Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, Wales > RIDING in Cockerham, Lancashire, UK > MOLL in Kalsow, Mecklenburg/Schwerin, Germany > LAUE in northern Germany > ZIZELSBERGER in Austria > MARNER in Co. Down, Ireland > -------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1185 - Release Date: > 12/15/2007 12:00 PM > >

Hi List, please could someone tell me where I could find records from County Monaghan online. I have check one site that lists most records for the whole of Ireland Counties that are accessible online except Monaghan. I am trying to check out a birth around 1890 for one Daniel CROWLEY - he was aged 21 in the 1911 census for Dublin and it stated he was born County Monaghan. Any advice or links would be very gratefully received. Many thanks and regards, Michael McAllister

Don't know of an online source, but you should be able to find his birth in the civil birth index, filmed by the LDS, and get a copy of the actual certificate from the GRO. Diane

With thanks to Sheila Phillips the 1901 Census for Glasdrummon townland Kilkeel CP is now available on my website at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Wishing everyone a happy Christmas Pete mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com

Hello Sean, If you like, I can arrange for them to be put on a "Free Page" at www.ulsterancestry.com best regards Robert > From: johnf4@mac.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:02:03 +0000> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census, which site is best for searching> > Hello,> > Which is the best web site for searching the I901 Census for Ireland?> > I have a list of all the people on the 1901 Census for all the > Townlands around Mayobridge Parish Co Down, what is the procedure for > getting them onto a website> > All advice and comments appreciated> > Regards> > Sean Finnegan> johnf4@mac.com> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com

I have put the story of the United States airforce aerodrome being built at Greencastle during WW2 on my website, in the Kilkeel section, this fasinating story gives the names of some of the men from the Kilkeel area who were employed there, of the hard work and conditions building the airfield, thanks to my old friend John Newell whose book "History of Developments in Mourne from 1870 to 2000" this was taken from. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I am helping a lady with a Boyd family from County Antrim but she has snet his back to me "So my search for Stephenson (or Stinson) is whittled down perhaps to the Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore, which I think is Catholic? " The Diocese of Down and Connor, I though was an Church of Ireland Church division. While I know that Dromore is a town about 24-26 kms to the SW of Belfast. So could "Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore" mean that he was married in the Townof Dromore in the Diocese of Down and Connor? Stephenson Boyd is said to have married Margaret Dean in 1841 and we are tying to work out the location and church. The family by 1849 has moved to Cambuslang, Lanarkshire and the next generation in New Zealand seem to be listed as Presbyterian. So that make me think that they may have actually be Presbyterian in Ireland Thank you for your assistance Mike Boyd Brisbane

There is a Protestant ( Church of Ireland) and a Roman Catholic Diocese of Down, Connor and Dromore. It is covered very succinctly at Wikipedia and other Google sites. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore >I have Stevenson from Donaghadee, Co Down (they also spelled the name > Stinson in the family bible.) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Victoria & Shawn Boyd" <theboydsnz@slingshot.co.nz> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:06 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore > > >>I am helping a lady with a Boyd family from County Antrim but she has snet >> his back to me >> >> "So my search for Stephenson (or Stinson) is whittled down perhaps to the >> Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore, which I think is Catholic? " >> >> >> The Diocese of Down and Connor, I though was an Church of Ireland Church >> division. While I know that Dromore is a town about 24-26 kms to the SW >> of >> Belfast. >> >> So could "Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore" mean that he was >> married >> in the Townof Dromore in the Diocese of Down and Connor? >> >> Stephenson Boyd is said to have married Margaret Dean in 1841 and we are >> tying to work out the location and church. >> >> The family by 1849 has moved to Cambuslang, Lanarkshire and the next >> generation in New Zealand seem to be listed as Presbyterian. So that >> make >> me think that they may have actually be Presbyterian in Ireland >> >> Thank you for your assistance >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Stinson name was in Belfast as recently as the 1950's according to my husband who comes from Bangor and later Belfast Jan Mills Robt & Wendy Stevenson <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> wrote: I have Stevenson from Donaghadee, Co Down (they also spelled the name Stinson in the family bible.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" To: Cc: "Victoria & Shawn Boyd" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore >I am helping a lady with a Boyd family from County Antrim but she has snet > his back to me > > "So my search for Stephenson (or Stinson) is whittled down perhaps to the > Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore, which I think is Catholic? " > > > The Diocese of Down and Connor, I though was an Church of Ireland Church > division. While I know that Dromore is a town about 24-26 kms to the SW > of > Belfast. > > So could "Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore" mean that he was > married > in the Townof Dromore in the Diocese of Down and Connor? > > Stephenson Boyd is said to have married Margaret Dean in 1841 and we are > tying to work out the location and church. > > The family by 1849 has moved to Cambuslang, Lanarkshire and the next > generation in New Zealand seem to be listed as Presbyterian. So that make > me think that they may have actually be Presbyterian in Ireland > > Thank you for your assistance > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Stevenson from Donaghadee, Co Down (they also spelled the name Stinson in the family bible.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Victoria & Shawn Boyd" <theboydsnz@slingshot.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore >I am helping a lady with a Boyd family from County Antrim but she has snet > his back to me > > "So my search for Stephenson (or Stinson) is whittled down perhaps to the > Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore, which I think is Catholic? " > > > The Diocese of Down and Connor, I though was an Church of Ireland Church > division. While I know that Dromore is a town about 24-26 kms to the SW > of > Belfast. > > So could "Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore" mean that he was > married > in the Townof Dromore in the Diocese of Down and Connor? > > Stephenson Boyd is said to have married Margaret Dean in 1841 and we are > tying to work out the location and church. > > The family by 1849 has moved to Cambuslang, Lanarkshire and the next > generation in New Zealand seem to be listed as Presbyterian. So that make > me think that they may have actually be Presbyterian in Ireland > > Thank you for your assistance > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sean, I will be more than happy to host your 1901 transcriptions. If you decide you would like me to host the 1901 census for Mayobridge alongside Kilbroney, Kilkeel, Kilcoo and Maghera do let me know. Regards Pete http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pssheila@aol.com Sent: 13 December 2007 09:19 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census, which site is best for searching Hi Sean Contact Pete Meaney - his site has transcriptions for the Kilkeel PLU, which are the townlands of Kilkeel Parish, Kilcoo Parish, Maghera Parish and will soon have Kilbroney Parish. Mayobridge would sit nicely beside all these! I have emailed you regarding this. Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would ask Raymond at _www.Raymondscountydownwebsite.com_ (http://www.Raymondscountydownwebsite.com) I bet he would put it on. He has never turned me down and has taken all that I have had to offer. I like the way he puts info on his site. He doesn't move it to a database so you get to view it as it was transcribed. Judy. I am sure that Ros Davies would take it and also I bet Mr. Meany would. He is doing sites nearby for 1911 I believe. Judy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hello, Which is the best web site for searching the I901 Census for Ireland? I have a list of all the people on the 1901 Census for all the Townlands around Mayobridge Parish Co Down, what is the procedure for getting them onto a website All advice and comments appreciated Regards Sean Finnegan johnf4@mac.com

Hi Sean Contact Pete Meaney - his site has transcriptions for the Kilkeel PLU, which are the townlands of Kilkeel Parish, Kilcoo Parish, Maghera Parish and will soon have Kilbroney Parish. Mayobridge would sit nicely beside all these! I have emailed you regarding this. Sheila

I have uploaded a further 42 households for the 1901 census for Newcastle Main St. Regards Pete. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

I have put the Rooney births and marriages on my website, for kilkeel, Kilcoo and Rostrevor, also i have started the Tithe Applotment 1830 for Kilkeel parish, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Hi I am from Australia you are doing a wonderfull job some of my Ancestors when to Toronto.But they all started in Ireland and ended up in Scotland as well. Many thanks from this part of the World Regards jean On Dec 9, 2007 12:08 PM, E Macklin <emacklin@rogers.com> wrote: > That would be us ... a couple of folks here in Toronto with very deep > Irish > roots .... The Yanks have done so much we figured it was our turn ... I > hope > that everyone enjoys the end result and that the search process is just a > little easier. The whole proccess was suposed to have been finished for > Christmas 2007 but they found so much stuff that it'll take a "wee bit > longer" ..... lol > > Slan to all my "Irish Cousins" far and wide > Eric > Toronto > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Juditoh@aol.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Online 1911 census from the National Library > > > >I know that someone who uses this site went to the government in Canada > > after failing to get anywhere in Ireland and got them to agree to do > this. > > We all > > should say a great vote of thanks to Canada for leading the way and to > > Ireland for knowing when to lead and when to follow. And I apologize to > > the man I > > am wanting to thank on this forum for getting the ball rolling. The > world > > is > > in debt to you. Not just for this but for showing us what one person can > > accomplish. > > Judy McKeon > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest > > products. > > ( > http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean

Thanks Eric. The wait seems to be getting shorter rather than longer. I am loving the anticipation. I hope it is just the beginning! Judy **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

That would be us ... a couple of folks here in Toronto with very deep Irish roots .... The Yanks have done so much we figured it was our turn ... I hope that everyone enjoys the end result and that the search process is just a little easier. The whole proccess was suposed to have been finished for Christmas 2007 but they found so much stuff that it'll take a "wee bit longer" ..... lol Slan to all my "Irish Cousins" far and wide Eric Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: <Juditoh@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Online 1911 census from the National Library >I know that someone who uses this site went to the government in Canada > after failing to get anywhere in Ireland and got them to agree to do this. > We all > should say a great vote of thanks to Canada for leading the way and to > Ireland for knowing when to lead and when to follow. And I apologize to > the man I > am wanting to thank on this forum for getting the ball rolling. The world > is > in debt to you. Not just for this but for showing us what one person can > accomplish. > Judy McKeon > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Raymond Have you noticed the 3D" views in places? Great Yarmouth is one such area as are many other smaller cities in England. They have taken aerial photos from low flying aircraft. They are taken at an angle of about 45 degrees, looking in 4 directions and so you can see all 4 sides of a building. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> * Cemeteries of New Zealand - Map, List and Web-links * Parishes of Northern Ireland - Map * Our Family History the_researcher wrote: > Here is a good map website, in different parts of the world you can see your house > > Raymond > > > > http://maps.live.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >