I wonder if the correct placename you are looking for is Clanvaraghan. If so you will probably enjoy the history on this site. _http://www.drumaroadhistory.com/_ (http://www.drumaroadhistory.com/) Judy McKeon **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

John, Were in Co Down was your gG born? Nan On Dec 23, 2007, at 9:26 AM, John OHare wrote: > Interesting. My great grandfather(John Patrick O'Hare) was born > about 1839 > and my grandfather (Edward O'Hare) was born in 1867. My > grandmother's name > was Ann. Their home was in Clonvannaghan. Maybe there is a tie in. > > John O'Hare > > On Dec 23, 2007 1:21 AM, Nan Brennan <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> > wrote: > >> entry in New York Emigrant Savings Bank for Jan 3 1873 >> >> John McEvoy, born Co Down 1839, son of John McEvoy and Ann O'Hare >> emigrated US March 7, 1867 >> ship "Aleppo" >> address in NY: 73 Forsyth St >> occupation: porter at 49 Chambers. >> also Treasurer for St James Free School >> account nos: 94284 and 94294 >> >> Hope this helps someone----anyone know where in Down he was from? >> >> Nan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > JOHN P. O'HARE > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Here you go: Lorie Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 24 Sep 1849 Groom Name maxwell james BOYLE Bride Name anne MATTHEWS Church Newtownards Civil Registrars Office Parish Newtownards Civil District Newtownards County Down Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 13 Oct 1846 Groom Name james LECKEY Bride Name anna MCGARRY Church Glenavy Church of Ireland Parish Glenavy Civil District Lisburn County Antrim Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 23 May 1866 Groom Name james LECKY Bride Name anna MONTGOMERY Church Ballymore Church of Ireland Parish Ballymore Civil District Newry County Armagh

Interesting. My great grandfather(John Patrick O'Hare) was born about 1839 and my grandfather (Edward O'Hare) was born in 1867. My grandmother's name was Ann. Their home was in Clonvannaghan. Maybe there is a tie in. John O'Hare On Dec 23, 2007 1:21 AM, Nan Brennan <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> wrote: > entry in New York Emigrant Savings Bank for Jan 3 1873 > > John McEvoy, born Co Down 1839, son of John McEvoy and Ann O'Hare > emigrated US March 7, 1867 > ship "Aleppo" > address in NY: 73 Forsyth St > occupation: porter at 49 Chambers. > also Treasurer for St James Free School > account nos: 94284 and 94294 > > Hope this helps someone----anyone know where in Down he was from? > > Nan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- JOHN P. O'HARE

Entry in NY Emigrant Savings Bank for 20 Sept 1861 ( I believe this may be is "Drumgooland, Co Down Parents John and Sarah) Arthur McAvoy, for Margaret McAvoy account no 28292 address: 135 Ba?ta, Bapta St. occupation: peddler born 1813 "Drumgallin, Co Down" (I believe this maybe Drumgooland) arrived 1827 on ship "Princess Charlotte" "is married to Margaret Kee?an, 1 child Mary" Passenger record: arrival 26 April 1827 est birth 1815 age 12 departure Newry Ireland ship Princess Charlotte Traveling with his family: John McAvoy age 45 Sarah McAvoy age 35 Thomas McAvoy age 18 Ann McAvoy age 15 Arthur McAvoy age 12 Catherine McAvoy age 8 Mary McAvoy age 6 Rose McAvoy age 3 Sarah McAvoy, infant.

There was a Patrick McEvoy in the Ontario Canada Death Register Simcoe District : Date of death Sept 17 1876, age 50, b Ireland @1826. occupation Merchant. Another Patrick McEvoy, born Ireland, died in York (Ontario) on Dec 17, 1886, age 53 I am still looking for my Greatgrandfather's brother: My gG was MICHAEL MCEVOY, born Ballymagreen @1834, died Ballymagreehan 1901. He was the son of LAWRENCE MCEVOY AND MARY GRIBBEN of Ballymagreehan. Other siblings : Owen died in Iowa. Dennis died in Sunderland Durham England. Margaret married Patrick O'prey of Ballymagreehan. Died in Ballymagreehan. Bridget May have come to Iowa. No info on a daughter/sister "Mary" and a son Patrick. I have no birth info on Patrick. I have no info on Patrick except family stories that there was a Patrick. Does any one have knowledge of either of these Patricks that died in Ontario Canada? Thanks for any help or info anyone might have. Nan/Çhicago.

entry in New York Emigrant Savings Bank for Jan 3 1873 John McEvoy, born Co Down 1839, son of John McEvoy and Ann O'Hare emigrated US March 7, 1867 ship "Aleppo" address in NY: 73 Forsyth St occupation: porter at 49 Chambers. also Treasurer for St James Free School account nos: 94284 and 94294 Hope this helps someone----anyone know where in Down he was from? Nan

Great to read, thanks NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Christmas, New Year customs, catherine hudson > Here is short story about the old Christmas and New Year customs and > superstitions, which some of you might remember, by my old friend > Catherine Hudson > Raymond > CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR > CUSTOMS AND SUPERSTITIONS > Catherine Hudson > Christmas as we know it today has changed out of all recognition from > years gone by when restricted incomes and very simple lifestyles were the > order of the day. Most of the old customs and superstitions associated > with that time of year have gone and it is difficult to understand how > some of them originated. One can only surmise that living, as so many did, > in isolated areas with little outside influence, every little thing that > occurred would be noted and, that over a period of time, a series of > happenings or coincidences would be associated with previous events and so > myth became reality. > Christmas fare > For good luck and good fortune in the coming year it was recommended that > herrings, fresh or salted, be eaten as the first meal on Christmas Day. So > when people returned from midnight Mass or church service they would have > a meal of fish, salt and potatoes or a pig's head and bacon. > The Goose was the traditional Christmas fare or, if less well-off, a > chicken was substituted. Turkeys were introduced in the 17th century but > were for a long time restricted to the 'gentry'. Towards the end of the > 18th century both turkeys and geese sold for about one shilling and ducks > and chickens for a few pence. > Tea was expensive and a rare luxury, and so was a special treat at > Christmas. For those who could afford mince pies, it was the tradition to > eat a pie each day for the 12 days of Christmas. It was believed this > would help ward off illness in the coming year. The Christmas pudding was > not like today's plum pudding but was made from potatoes and bread and was > boiled in a cloth (usually cut from a flour bag) suspended in a cooking > pot over an open fire. It was also usual to give the animals extra food at > Christmas. > One of the nicest of the old customs was that of 'leaving the door on the > latch' when neighbours and travellers could feel free to call and share > the food and drink, however meagre. Rhymers or Strawboys travelled around > from house to house performing short plays or dancing and the pennies they > collected were used for charity. > Christmas candles > A lovely old custom which has not entirely died out is the placing of a > lighted candle in the window. The first two lines from a 1920 poem read: > "She set her lighted candle inside the window pane, the happy time of > Christmas had come to earth again". > The biggest candle that the family could afford was lit with great > ceremony late on Christmas Eve, the oldest and the youngest members of the > family holding the lighted taper. This custom is thought to have > originated in Ireland in the 17th century. Imagine the scene, in the days > before electricity, of a village or even a small rural community, its > windows all aglow with flickering candles welcoming not only the birthday > of Christ but, in a practical way, the footsore weary traveller or > homecomer. When the Famine led to mass emigration this custom was taken to > America where it became very popular. > > > Customs connected with the candle varied from place to place but generally > it was not extinguished until dawn. It was thought to bring great luck to > have breakfast on Christmas Day by its light. In some places the candle > was lit each evening over the 12 days of Christmas. On the night of 6 > January a tin lid was filled with sand and 12 small candles arranged in a > circle. They were lit before the evening meal and allowed to burn out. > When they did, Christmas was over and everyone said, "May we all be alive > and well this time next year". > The crib > Another surviving custom is the placing in homes and churches of figures > representing Mary, Joseph, the infant Jesus, and the shepherds and animals > in the stable at Bethlehem. The first crib in the 13th century was the > idea of St Francis of Assisi when he used real people and animals to > represent the scene. Since then, the crib, with its figures made from > china, plaster, wood or even cardboardis frequently displayed. The figures > of the three Kings or Wise Men are added to the others on the Feast of the > Epiphany on 6 January. This is also known as Old Christmas Day as this was > the day on which Christmas was held before the calendar was changed. It > was also called in Gaelic Nolisig na mBan as it was a special day for > women. The woman of the house was waited on by the family as a reward for > all the hard work she had done before and during Christmas. > Christmas boxes, cards, trees and decorations > Until the 1950s and before the advent of the supermarket, it was customary > for family grocers to reward their customers with a 'Christmas box'. This > was sometimes a small hamper containing a large candle, an iced cake or > biscuits. Most businesses routinely gave customers a calendar; this > usually had a pouch on the front in which to keep letters. If the picture > on the calendar was a pretty one, as it very often was, it would be kept > safely and put in a simple frame to adorn the wall. > Christmas cards were first published in 1843 by an artist called Horseley. > However, they were rarely sent or received, except by wealthy families, > until well into the present century as they were much too expensive for > common use. They were very often in the form of postcards. > The Christmas tree is a relatively new custom which was imported from > Germany and Scandinavia. Yet it is said that, as far back as 900 AD, a > group of Irish monks on a bleak mountainside in Alsace, feeling homesick > and lonely one Christmas time, decorated a tree underneath which they sang > hymns. > Great superstitions by pagans in ancient times were attached to both holly > and ivy but these were later adopted by Christians for use at Christmas - > the prickly holly as a symbol of Christ's suffering and the red berries as > a reminder of the blood he shed. It was also said that to hang up > mistletoe brought happiness and good fortune - provided it did not touch > the ground. > Animals > It was believed that the donkey and oxen knelt in their stables at > midnight on Christmas Eve. This was thought to originate from the fact > that it was a donkey that carried Mary to Bethlehem and the breath of the > ox and donkey that kept the Infant warm. It was also believed that the > cock crowed each night for three weeks before Christmas. This must have > been believed centuries ago as Shakespeare writes in Hamlet "Wherein our > Saviour's birth is celebrated, The bird of dawning singeth all night > long'. > If the cock crowed at midnight on Christmas Eve it was thought to be a > very good omen. Bees are also believed to wake from hibernation at > Christmas and hum or sing in celebration. > Old sayings and beliefs > A very old custom more common in Antrim and Kerry was of playing hurley > with improvised sticks, barefoot on the sand. > The day on which Christmas falls was deemed to be of significance. If it > fell on a Sunday it signified a windy winter and a good summer with peace > throughout the land. Monday and especially Tuesday were not considered > good days for it to fall. Wednesday meant a hard winter and good summer, > but a bad year for ships. Thursday and Friday also foretold hard and windy > winters but good summers and harvests. Saturday signified a severe winter > and wet summer. Frost and snow at Christmas were welcomed as they were > thought to be the sign of a mild spring. A new moon on Christmas Eve was > also considered lucky. Old sayings include: > . A green Christmas fills the Churchyard. > . When the blackbird sings before Christmas, she will cry at Candlemas. > . If ducks can swim at Halloween, at Christmas they will slide. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1176 - Release Date: > 6/12/2007 11:15 p.m. > >

Since the beginning of December, I have annotated and footnoted 22 deeds relating to property transactions involving dozens (if not more than a hundred) people in Co. Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan, Down, Louth, and the cities of Dublin & Belfast. I won't list the names of the people on the leases here - there are too many. However, I have refined my methods of posting so when you troll down the list of "What's New" you can see at a glance a list of names and townlands and can then quickly see if any touch your area of interest. For hyperlinks to each deed, SEE: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/misc/whatsnew.htm If you find errors, or if you have additional information that might amplify what we all learn by sharing, then I am all ears. I have been having problems with broken links, so if any are discovered, please let me know. It is the fastest way for me to set them straight. And I will get them ASAP. So, that's it for me until after Xmas. Enjoy!, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

Dear Diane, finding his birth registery in the Civil Registers are something I thought of, sadly I know not where in County Monaghan (if at all), I am unfamiliar with the geography of Ireland as well, and I doubt if it will mention County Monaghan in the registers, only the nearest town he was born close to! Many thanks for your input, kind regards, Michael McAllister > 1. off topic place - Monaghan County (Mick) > 2. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (DLCulhane@cs.com) > 3. Arthur Guinness (Rosalind Davies) > 4. Re: Arthur Guinness (Donal O'Kelly) > 5. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (Bev Kerlin) > 6. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (KPagape@aol.com) > 7. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (FT. & AM.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:04:53 -0000 > From: "Mick" <mcallisterfamily@btopenworld.com> > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] off topic place - Monaghan County > To: "N IR DOWN List" <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00af01c83fdb$de6444c0$92538956@macpc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:16:02 EST > From: DLCulhane@cs.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] off topic place - Monaghan County > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d28.1d95ab17.34967f12@cs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Don't know of an online source, but you should be able to find his birth > in > the civil birth index, filmed by the LDS, and get a copy of the actual > certificate from the GRO. > > Diane > >

Dear Bev, many thanks for looking, the only details we have are from the 1911 census where it is stated he is born in County Monaghan, no other details are known of Daniel - shame really! Many thanks for you help. Also I would like to thank all those other that had their input to my query. Kindest regards and Happy Christmas, Michael McAllister > > 1. off topic place - Monaghan County (Mick) > 2. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (DLCulhane@cs.com) > 3. Arthur Guinness (Rosalind Davies) > 4. Re: Arthur Guinness (Donal O'Kelly) > 5. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (Bev Kerlin) > 6. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (KPagape@aol.com) > 7. Re: off topic place - Monaghan County (FT. & AM.) > > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:37:06 +1000 > From: Bev Kerlin <bevkerlin@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] off topic place - Monaghan County > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4765A892.8030402@ozemail.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mick wrote: >> Hi List, please could someone tell me where I could find records from >> County Monaghan online. I have check one site that lists most records >> for the whole of Ireland Counties that are accessible online except >> Monaghan. >> I am trying to check out a birth around 1890 for one Daniel CROWLEY - he >> was aged 21 in the 1911 census for Dublin and it stated he was born >> County Monaghan. >> Any advice or links would be very gratefully received. >> Many thanks and regards, Michael McAllister >> > Hi Mick > > I checked Emerald Ancestry (also soundex) for Crowley Daniel in Monaghan > and didn't get a hit. > > My last day with them today - hope some souls have had a little luck > from my searches. > > Cheers > Bev >

I am in a discussion with a Boyd/Irvine group who had family in PA that came to Brunswick Co., VA which is now Campbell Co., VA in the 1730's. These families are "thought" to come from Ulster. A Mary Boyd married a John Irvine in the late 1720's and had their fist child on the voyage to America. "The Lucinda Boyd book "Irvines and Their Kin", published 1908 but American part essentially finished by 1896. This book is really a collection of "pieces" she gathered from various family tradition sources. She did not edit them and provided no documentation. There are contradictions from one part to another. As to the Bedford/Campbell Co., VA Irvines, it appears she ignored information and warped other to make three of them three of the "seven brothers". This way, she could use the info she obtained from Ireland and Scotland to take their ancestry back four centuriies. She includes a statement from the Irish genealogist, Mary Semple, that Lucinda was not correct in her interpretation of what was being sent in one case." It seems that Mary Semple was doing her work from about 1900 to 1920. Would anyone know if any of her papers/work survived and where might they be kept? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane

Here is short story about the old Christmas and New Year customs and superstitions, which some of you might remember, by my old friend Catherine Hudson Raymond CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR CUSTOMS AND SUPERSTITIONS Catherine Hudson Christmas as we know it today has changed out of all recognition from years gone by when restricted incomes and very simple lifestyles were the order of the day. Most of the old customs and superstitions associated with that time of year have gone and it is difficult to understand how some of them originated. One can only surmise that living, as so many did, in isolated areas with little outside influence, every little thing that occurred would be noted and, that over a period of time, a series of happenings or coincidences would be associated with previous events and so myth became reality. Christmas fare For good luck and good fortune in the coming year it was recommended that herrings, fresh or salted, be eaten as the first meal on Christmas Day. So when people returned from midnight Mass or church service they would have a meal of fish, salt and potatoes or a pig's head and bacon. The Goose was the traditional Christmas fare or, if less well-off, a chicken was substituted. Turkeys were introduced in the 17th century but were for a long time restricted to the 'gentry'. Towards the end of the 18th century both turkeys and geese sold for about one shilling and ducks and chickens for a few pence. Tea was expensive and a rare luxury, and so was a special treat at Christmas. For those who could afford mince pies, it was the tradition to eat a pie each day for the 12 days of Christmas. It was believed this would help ward off illness in the coming year. The Christmas pudding was not like today's plum pudding but was made from potatoes and bread and was boiled in a cloth (usually cut from a flour bag) suspended in a cooking pot over an open fire. It was also usual to give the animals extra food at Christmas. One of the nicest of the old customs was that of 'leaving the door on the latch' when neighbours and travellers could feel free to call and share the food and drink, however meagre. Rhymers or Strawboys travelled around from house to house performing short plays or dancing and the pennies they collected were used for charity. Christmas candles A lovely old custom which has not entirely died out is the placing of a lighted candle in the window. The first two lines from a 1920 poem read: "She set her lighted candle inside the window pane, the happy time of Christmas had come to earth again". The biggest candle that the family could afford was lit with great ceremony late on Christmas Eve, the oldest and the youngest members of the family holding the lighted taper. This custom is thought to have originated in Ireland in the 17th century. Imagine the scene, in the days before electricity, of a village or even a small rural community, its windows all aglow with flickering candles welcoming not only the birthday of Christ but, in a practical way, the footsore weary traveller or homecomer. When the Famine led to mass emigration this custom was taken to America where it became very popular. Customs connected with the candle varied from place to place but generally it was not extinguished until dawn. It was thought to bring great luck to have breakfast on Christmas Day by its light. In some places the candle was lit each evening over the 12 days of Christmas. On the night of 6 January a tin lid was filled with sand and 12 small candles arranged in a circle. They were lit before the evening meal and allowed to burn out. When they did, Christmas was over and everyone said, "May we all be alive and well this time next year". The crib Another surviving custom is the placing in homes and churches of figures representing Mary, Joseph, the infant Jesus, and the shepherds and animals in the stable at Bethlehem. The first crib in the 13th century was the idea of St Francis of Assisi when he used real people and animals to represent the scene. Since then, the crib, with its figures made from china, plaster, wood or even cardboardis frequently displayed. The figures of the three Kings or Wise Men are added to the others on the Feast of the Epiphany on 6 January. This is also known as Old Christmas Day as this was the day on which Christmas was held before the calendar was changed. It was also called in Gaelic Nolisig na mBan as it was a special day for women. The woman of the house was waited on by the family as a reward for all the hard work she had done before and during Christmas. Christmas boxes, cards, trees and decorations Until the 1950s and before the advent of the supermarket, it was customary for family grocers to reward their customers with a 'Christmas box'. This was sometimes a small hamper containing a large candle, an iced cake or biscuits. Most businesses routinely gave customers a calendar; this usually had a pouch on the front in which to keep letters. If the picture on the calendar was a pretty one, as it very often was, it would be kept safely and put in a simple frame to adorn the wall. Christmas cards were first published in 1843 by an artist called Horseley. However, they were rarely sent or received, except by wealthy families, until well into the present century as they were much too expensive for common use. They were very often in the form of postcards. The Christmas tree is a relatively new custom which was imported from Germany and Scandinavia. Yet it is said that, as far back as 900 AD, a group of Irish monks on a bleak mountainside in Alsace, feeling homesick and lonely one Christmas time, decorated a tree underneath which they sang hymns. Great superstitions by pagans in ancient times were attached to both holly and ivy but these were later adopted by Christians for use at Christmas - the prickly holly as a symbol of Christ's suffering and the red berries as a reminder of the blood he shed. It was also said that to hang up mistletoe brought happiness and good fortune - provided it did not touch the ground. Animals It was believed that the donkey and oxen knelt in their stables at midnight on Christmas Eve. This was thought to originate from the fact that it was a donkey that carried Mary to Bethlehem and the breath of the ox and donkey that kept the Infant warm. It was also believed that the cock crowed each night for three weeks before Christmas. This must have been believed centuries ago as Shakespeare writes in Hamlet "Wherein our Saviour's birth is celebrated, The bird of dawning singeth all night long'. If the cock crowed at midnight on Christmas Eve it was thought to be a very good omen. Bees are also believed to wake from hibernation at Christmas and hum or sing in celebration. Old sayings and beliefs A very old custom more common in Antrim and Kerry was of playing hurley with improvised sticks, barefoot on the sand. The day on which Christmas falls was deemed to be of significance. If it fell on a Sunday it signified a windy winter and a good summer with peace throughout the land. Monday and especially Tuesday were not considered good days for it to fall. Wednesday meant a hard winter and good summer, but a bad year for ships. Thursday and Friday also foretold hard and windy winters but good summers and harvests. Saturday signified a severe winter and wet summer. Frost and snow at Christmas were welcomed as they were thought to be the sign of a mild spring. A new moon on Christmas Eve was also considered lucky. Old sayings include: . A green Christmas fills the Churchyard. . When the blackbird sings before Christmas, she will cry at Candlemas. . If ducks can swim at Halloween, at Christmas they will slide.

MCCARTHY, MARGARET, nee KEEGAN, wife of Daniel, native of Newry Co Down from Resid., 2905 Princeton to St James Church to Mt Olivet, April 27, 1901 (Chicago Daily News)

Hello Is anyone researching the name Crother. from County down Hillsborough Regards Veneita

I have updated the 1830 Tithe Applotment Index for Kilkeel Parish on my web site. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Hello Mick, Have you tried the following:- http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/monaghanconts.htm from there you can look at this:- http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/monaghanconts.htm#1 Another site for Griffith Valuation is:- http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick" <mcallisterfamily@btopenworld.com> To: "N IR DOWN List" <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] off topic place - Monaghan County > Hi List, please could someone tell me where I could find records from > County Monaghan online. I have check one site that lists most records for > the whole of Ireland Counties that are accessible online except Monaghan. > I am trying to check out a birth around 1890 for one Daniel CROWLEY - he > was aged 21 in the 1911 census for Dublin and it stated he was born County > Monaghan. > Any advice or links would be very gratefully received. > Many thanks and regards, Michael McAllister

Mick wrote: > Hi List, please could someone tell me where I could find records from County Monaghan online. I have check one site that lists most records for the whole of Ireland Counties that are accessible online except Monaghan. > I am trying to check out a birth around 1890 for one Daniel CROWLEY - he was aged 21 in the 1911 census for Dublin and it stated he was born County Monaghan. > Any advice or links would be very gratefully received. > Many thanks and regards, Michael McAllister > Hi Mick I checked Emerald Ancestry (also soundex) for Crowley Daniel in Monaghan and didn't get a hit. My last day with them today - hope some souls have had a little luck from my searches. Cheers Bev

> Guinness origins begin to settle The origins of a pint of Guinness > appear to be much humbler than the man who gave the world "the black > stuff" wanted us to think. > > Recent testing by Trinity College Dublin of Guinness family DNA has > shown that Arthur Guinness's claims of being a descendant of the > Magennis chieftains of Iveagh, County Down, were nothing more than > aspirational. > > Despite this, when he married in 1761, he is even said to have had a > silver cup engraved with the Magennis crest, which features the red > hand of Ulster, a lion and a boar. The research, featured in a new > book, has shown that the family tree of the man, whose name still > appears on kegs and pint glasses across the globe, actually stems from > another County Down clan, the less revered and wealthy McCartans. > Furthermore, it appears that Arthur Guinness wasn't even among the > upper echelons of this particular clan. > > Presidential links > While the McCartans may not have had the social standing of the > Magennises, they can count among their descendants none other than > former French president Charles De Gaulle. De Gaulle's > great-grandmother was Marie Angelique McCartan. > To cloud the issue even further, the McCartan spiritual home is a > townland called Guiness (note the absence of an 'n') near Ballynahinch. > If this has whetted your appetite to delve deeper into the life and > times of Arthur Guinness, you could pick up a copy of Arthur's Round: > The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness. > > Story from BBC NEWS: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/7145951.stm > > Best wishes, Ros Davies Sydney Australia Check out my Co. Down, Ireland Genealogy Research Site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies Information on over 350,000 names, places & churches; townland maps and photos of over 400 churches and towns Searching for: -------------------------------------------- DAVIES in Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, Wales RIDING in Cockerham, Lancashire, UK MOLL in Kalsow, Mecklenburg/Schwerin, Germany LAUE in northern Germany ZIZELSBERGER in Austria MARNER in Co. Down, Ireland --------------------------------------------

I couldn't find a specific one for County Monaghan but I did find one for Northern Ireland in general. Maybe someone could help you there _http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/NorthernIrelandGenWeb.html_ (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/NorthernIrelandGenWeb.html) I'll keep looking and see what I can come up with. Love, Kathy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)