Hello to all and hope everyone had a great christmas. I found my 3 x great grandfather Edward Hamilton b1829 on the County Downers in County Durham (England) 1891 strays list with his wife Mary Ann (both born in County Down). I have all their Census records in Durham, England but have never been able to trace him back to County Down and wondered if anyone had any further information on him. He has been my brickwall ever since I started my family research and would love to find more. He Married Mary Ann (probably Alexander, they both show in the freeBMD as marrying on this date) 16 Sep 1855 in County Durham and his 8 children were all born in County Durham, I believe his wife Mary Ann was born around 1833 in Larne although her date of birth fluctuates a great deal in the Census records. Kind Regards and best wishes to everyone for the New Year. Rachel McPhee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J Meaney" <peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> To: "Nir-Down@Rootsweb.Com" <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1891 Census Cumberland Co. Down Strays. >I have uploaded 450+ Co.Down Strays found in Cumberland in 1891 to my > website at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm > > the names will not be picked up by the search engine yet. > > Best wishes Pete. > > Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have uploaded 450+ Co.Down Strays found in Cumberland in 1891 to my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm the names will not be picked up by the search engine yet. Best wishes Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

One more from me: http://www.nifhs.org/straysQ.htm Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==============================

More "strays" to take a peek at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/Strays.htm Remember anyone with any data to add to the IGP Co. Down website just send it over to me. Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ============================== -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:00 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1891 Census Cumberland Co. Down Strays. Hi Patti "Strays" are people from one area (in this case Co. Down) that turn up in another area (in this case Cumberland). Pete Meaney has posted the "stray" Co. Down folk in Cumberland in 1891 on his site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/Co_Down_Stuff/Down_strays/ England_Down_strays/cumberland_1891.htm There are all sorts of stray lists put up by various volunteers - just take a little search through Google for any that might interest you. Good luck! Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ============================== -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TremontGdns@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:42 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1891 Census Cumberland Co. Down Strays. Could someone please explain what a "strays list" is and how do we access it? Thanks, Patti ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PS Pete also has Durham/Down strays at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/Co_Down_Stuff/Down_strays/ England_Down_strays/co__durham_1891_census_down_strays.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:00 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1891 Census Cumberland Co. Down Strays. Hi Patti "Strays" are people from one area (in this case Co. Down) that turn up in another area (in this case Cumberland). Pete Meaney has posted the "stray" Co. Down folk in Cumberland in 1891 on his site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/Co_Down_Stuff/Down_strays/ England_Down_strays/cumberland_1891.htm There are all sorts of stray lists put up by various volunteers - just take a little search through Google for any that might interest you. Good luck! Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ============================== -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TremontGdns@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:42 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1891 Census Cumberland Co. Down Strays. Could someone please explain what a "strays list" is and how do we access it? Thanks, Patti ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patti "Strays" are people from one area (in this case Co. Down) that turn up in another area (in this case Cumberland). Pete Meaney has posted the "stray" Co. Down folk in Cumberland in 1891 on his site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/Co_Down_Stuff/Down_strays/ England_Down_strays/cumberland_1891.htm There are all sorts of stray lists put up by various volunteers - just take a little search through Google for any that might interest you. Good luck! Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ============================== -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TremontGdns@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:42 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1891 Census Cumberland Co. Down Strays. Could someone please explain what a "strays list" is and how do we access it? Thanks, Patti ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone please explain what a "strays list" is and how do we access it? Thanks, Patti ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Interesting. I have no idea if there is a connection, although it IS curious that in the passenger list I find Isabella Matthews coming over with her two children, James and Ellen, PLUS another child named "Thomas Matthews." Always wondered whatever happened to this child!!! He never appears anywhere else with her, so I thought perhaps he was a relative she brought over for someone else. My John Matthews had a brother George (I am guessing that was the relationship) who was a photographer in Pittsburgh (mid-1800's) and he was made guardian of John's children when their father died of malaria contracted in the Civil War. I know from the military records John was redheaded, fair complexion, blue eyes, 5 foot 7 inches tall. I have a photo of him. Does any of this sound like your family? Other than that, all I know is that the family was Presbyterian. Do you know where in Tyrone your family was from? Thanks for writing, Kevin! Patti ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

The strays in question are those who have emigrated, or strayed, from their place of origin. The lists have an obvious utility for people whose ancestors moved around a lot, as is typical of many Irish. These are not official records and are generated and held by various individuals; to access Pete Meaney's Co Down strays, just follow the link he gave and browse around. To find others, google strays and the counties you are interested in. cheers, Peter TremontGdns@aol.com wrote: > Could someone please explain what a "strays list" is and how do we access it? > > Thanks, > Patti > > > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Looking for Ann LINDSAY c1800 married c1825 to John Keenan c1800... possibly from Rosstrevor, Kilbroney or Warrington in Co Down. No records of marriage or births of children anywhere in Co Down...Their children lived for a period of time in Tullylish, possibly town of Gilford or Laurencetown where a group of them married from late 1840's to 1850's. Thomas KEENAN b1831 m Cecilia McCAFFREY 1854; William KEENAN m Sarah THOMPSON 1850; Arthur KEENAN m Catherine Treanor 1853; John KEENAN m Elizabeth McCAFFREY c1854; Peter KEENAN m Ann QUINN c 1849; all at St John the Evangelist RC ...girls Ellen nver married and possibly Rose, Cis Margaret and Elizabeth most came to live in Johnstone, Renfrewshire, Scotland from 1857 and some then moved from Scotland to NY MA CT and IA in USA Trying to locate original townland or parish in Down as we are fairly certain they did not originate in Tullylish. Not remotely concerned with religion, but sense that unusual to see Lindsay surname as RC as experience shows that this is traditionally a Scots Presbyterian name or COI. Feel that this may be a clue as to Ann LINDSAY's home townland. If anyone knows these LINDSAYS please let me know. Any general ideas or suggestions to origins context of this period very welcome Thanks Paul T KEENAN Giffnock Scotland

With thanks to Sheila Philips I have now been able to include the Paupers living in Kilkeel Workhouse at the time of the 1901 census. This can be found on the Newry Street page or via the 'latest updates' link on my home page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Unfortunately these inmates were only recorded by initials, but hopefully someone may recognise a missing ancestor. (Please visit my guest book and let me know if you find this information useful.) Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

Hi Listers, I am still trying to find any details of possibly Michael, possibly James LYNCHEY. Probably born in County Down late 1700's and who may have gone to the Isle of Man with his family in the 1820's. His wife, Sarah, was sentenced on the IoM along with a son Thomas in 1833 to be transported to OZZ. They went on separate ships, she took 2 daughters and a son with her. The Indent of convicts on the Mary III states that she was a widow, aged 50 years, born in County Down and Catholic. There is a "Dissenter Baptism on the IoM in 1826 with the parents a Michael LYNCHY and Sarah MULLAN, also the possible deaths in 1833 during a cholera outbreak on the IoM of her husband and a son. I have found on Ros Davie's site a reference to a conviction in County Down of" Lynchey, Straney & Mechan, for stealing timber the property of David Ker, Esq. of Montalto, to be burned in the hand". Could any lister link this LYNCHEY to the one I am looking for? I have not been able to find any LYNCHEY's, trying several spellings, in either the NI or the Republic White Pages on line. On the LDS site I have found 2 Sarah MULLANS born in Down during the mid 1780's. These are possible candidates to be my GG grandmother. Any assistance will be much appreciated. Cheers Peter Melbourne

Thank you very much for replying I had almost given up hope.I will follow it up and see where it leads me .All the best for 2008 Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] TOMAN >I suspect your ancestors came from Loughinisland parish. The Griffith's >index > on failteromhat.com shows 3 Patrick Tomans in that parish, as well as one > Bernard. There are two Bernards in Drumgath parish as well. However, > Loughinisland has lots of Savages and Drumgath doesn't have any. The > records go back to > 1806 but unfortunately haven't been filmed by the LDS. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 25/12/2007 20:04 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] TOMAN >I suspect your ancestors came from Loughinisland parish. The Griffith's >index > on failteromhat.com shows 3 Patrick Tomans in that parish, as well as one > Bernard. There are two Bernards in Drumgath parish as well. However, > Loughinisland has lots of Savages and Drumgath doesn't have any. The > records go back to > 1806 but unfortunately haven't been filmed by the LDS. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 25/12/2007 20:04 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] TOMAN >I suspect your ancestors came from Loughinisland parish. The Griffith's >index > on failteromhat.com shows 3 Patrick Tomans in that parish, as well as one > Bernard. There are two Bernards in Drumgath parish as well. However, > Loughinisland has lots of Savages and Drumgath doesn't have any. The > records go back to > 1806 but unfortunately haven't been filmed by the LDS. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 25/12/2007 20:04 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] TOMAN >I suspect your ancestors came from Loughinisland parish. The Griffith's >index > on failteromhat.com shows 3 Patrick Tomans in that parish, as well as one > Bernard. There are two Bernards in Drumgath parish as well. However, > Loughinisland has lots of Savages and Drumgath doesn't have any. The > records go back to > 1806 but unfortunately haven't been filmed by the LDS. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 25/12/2007 20:04 > >

Peter Try the Library at Newry, Co Down - sorry do not have an Eamil address for it. They should be able to tell you the year of the Griffith Valuation for that area. And it if you think it is wotht it do a look up for you for any of your names. They should also be able to tell you what Catholic Church Records are available. In found in Counties Cork and Kerry that the Catholic Church had typed up their registers in to A-Z lists about 10 years ago. So not sure if the North did the same at that period. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter McGuinness" <pmcguinness@sbcglobal.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McGuinness search > Thanks to everyone for this info: I have some more information, but not > much, about Bernard and Rose. > Bernard was a linen weaver (as recorded on the wedding cert. of John) > and had died, probably in Ireland, before 1888. Rose was born in 1831 > and died in England. I am afraid I really don't know where they came > from, other than that it was definitely Co Down. > Since John married a Devlin from Newry it is possible that the families > knew each other before they travelled but that is pure conjecture. > > Can someone tell me a little more about the sources you have quoted? The > Griffiths valuation is described as being taken over a number of years. > Is it possible to tell when a certain record was made, and also what was > the basis for making a record, property ownership? tax liability? Would > a working man like a linen weaver with possibly no assets have been > recorded? > > The family was catholic, so if I wanted to follow up one of these leads > you have given me, is it possible to access catholic BMD records online, > or even in person? > > Thanks, > Peter

To my many friends on this wonderful LIST I know I am a little late but.......I hope all of you that were celebrating over this season had a wonderful time. Every best wish for a happy, healthy and peaceful 2008! Often we get new researchers signing on to the LIST at the beginning of the year having made a resolution to track down that lost-lost ancestor. I know that will get a lot of help from you all. To any "newbies" that might have signed up we have some great sites to help you out. Lots of links can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ I will make a concerted effort to work on the BRICKWALL in the New Year as I know I have some outstanding requests: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/brickwall.htm ### Good luck to you all in your research. It's amazing what we can achieve when we all help each other out. ### Fiona. IGP County Down Coordinator. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/

My toman family left for England about1866 after marrying in St Malachy's Belfast.They were Cornelius Toman and Ellen Savage.The only clue they left as to their origins was that they came from Co.Down.Also that the dad was Patrick and he had two brothers Charles and Bernard were stonemasons like their Dad.I would very much appreciate any help.Pat Molyneux.P.S WISHING EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR

Peter Before 1850 weaving was mainly a cottage industry in County Down. Then with the introduction of factory machinery things changed overnight. A factory loom could do the work of 200 hand looms. This was just one factor in mass emigration. During this period all land in this region was owned by major landlords with tenants paying them rents. Registers, details of leases and correspondence have survived in landlord estate papers. This is where you may find much on the family you seek. In a letter dated around 1920, a Cornelius McGuiness, who was a direct descendant of Bernard. claimed to be the last of the clan. Cornelius was a character and is remembered by some old folk. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter McGuinness Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:45 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McGuinness search Thanks to everyone for this info: I have some more information, but not much, about Bernard and Rose. Bernard was a linen weaver (as recorded on the wedding cert. of John) and had died, probably in Ireland, before 1888. Rose was born in 1831 and died in England. I am afraid I really don't know where they came from, other than that it was definitely Co Down. Since John married a Devlin from Newry it is possible that the families knew each other before they travelled but that is pure conjecture. Can someone tell me a little more about the sources you have quoted? The Griffiths valuation is described as being taken over a number of years. Is it possible to tell when a certain record was made, and also what was the basis for making a record, property ownership? tax liability? Would a working man like a linen weaver with possibly no assets have been recorded? The family was catholic, so if I wanted to follow up one of these leads you have given me, is it possible to access catholic BMD records online, or even in person? Thanks, Peter Peter J Meaney wrote: > Hi Peter > There is a Bernard McGuinness in Burrenreagh Kilcoo CP according to > Griffiths Valuation see > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/down/kilcoo.htm > > Pete > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sean McCartan > Sent: 28 December 2007 10:56 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McGuinness search > > > In April 1847 a Bernard Magennis applied for house and land from the Meade > Estate. Location was the townland of Burrenreagh, which is adjacent to > Castlewellan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Peter McGuinness > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 11:47 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McGuinness search > > > Hi, > I am looking for information on my GGrandfather, John McGuinness and his > family. > > He moved to the north of England where he married Margaret Jane Devlin > in 1888. > > So far, we have this: > > In Ireland: > Bernard McGuinness m Rose ?? > > Felix b 1853 > John b 1857 > Annie b 1864 > Mary b 1869 > > all born in Down. > > From England: > > John McGuinness m Margaret Jane Devlin > > Thomas 1890 > Daniel 1891 > Bernard 1893 > Rosa 1897 > John 1899 > > All born in Cumberland and Blaydon on Tyne, Durham. > > Daniel was my Grandfather, and he used to visit relatives in Co Down but > the connection was lost when he died. I think was known as a member of > the Knights of St Columbus. > > Thanks for any connections you can give me - especially living relatives. > > Peter McGuinness > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 > 1:34 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 > 1:34 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM