It's great that you have found such an old baptism record. If you do go to Down, let me know and I will give some pointers re: trips to PRONI/GRONI etc. There are also some wonderful volunteers on the LIST that you might want to meet up with while you are there. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:43 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh RONEY born 1792 Hi Fiona Thanks for the welcome- and pointing me to those sites. Ive been devouring them for the past couple of days since I found the Hugh baptism. So many Roneys!- and many called Hugh:) Interestingly theres a William Roney born circa 1787 Co Down who turns up in Workington Cumberland England around the same time as my Hugh. Im wondering if they were related (both miners) and whether this William is this one I found baptised 1787 -sounds like they were quite close to each other. I know Im clutching at straws but its all very interesting all the same. Parish/ District SAUL AND BALLEE Date Of Birth 12/03/1788 Date of Baptism 12/03/1788 First name WILLIAM Surname RONEY Sex Male Denomination Roman Catholic Fathers Firstname ARTHUR Fathers Surname RONEY Mother Firstname CATHERINE Mother Surname MAGRATH WitnessJAMES MCKENNA Witness2 ISABEL HALPIN Street SLIEVEGRAN Townland Lecale Town Down Back to those fabulous sites- Im already thinking about a trip to County Down - we were in Belfast last year and were so close we could see it.(We live in England) Thanks again Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret Welcome i always check in here to see if i can find any of my family but no such luck not yet any way this is agreat site. Kind regards jean (Australia) On Jan 1, 2008 4:14 AM, Grit <mwhitmore@snet.net> wrote: > Hello Everyone - > > Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best > that the New Year has to offer. > > My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka > Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, you > will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance and he > very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the site. To > date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, but > now I am preparing to do so. > > Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions > from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County > Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting > incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct > (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much > misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into your > tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are many of > us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. > > Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to > Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe > getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. > > For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. > If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it > is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at > grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how > you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. > If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom > file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. > > It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear > with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. > > Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site > right up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information free > for all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many years and > it'd be great to keep things going that way. > > BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd > wedding anniversary! > > GRIT > > Comments and criticisms always welcome at > grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean

Hi Fiona Happy new year to you for 2008 Kind regards jean (Australia ) On Jan 1, 2008 5:23 AM, Fiona Jones <mourneminers@optonline.net> wrote: > What a great idea! It is important that we all remember NOT to post > information on living people in our online GEDCOM files. In FTM, you can > set the file settings to PRIVATE and it will do it for you but of course, > it's quite easy just to rename the people as LIVING. > > Good luck to you Margaret with this ambitious adventure. > > Happy wedding anniversary to Raymond and the Lady Cathie. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR to all friends and family on this LIST. > > THANK YOU to everyone for all their help this past year and GOOD LUCK to > you > all in your research for 2008! > > Fiona > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > INFORMATION and ADVICE for improving these sites always welcome. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Grit > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:14 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Raymond's County Down Web Site > > Hello Everyone - > > Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best > that the New Year has to offer. > > My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka > Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, > you > will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance and > he > very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the site. To > date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, but > now I am preparing to do so. > > Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions > from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County > Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting > incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct > (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much > misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into > your > tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are many of > us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. > > Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to > Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe > getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. > > For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. > If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it > is > a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at > grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how > you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. > If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom > file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. > > It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear > with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. > > Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site > right > up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information free for > all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many years and > it'd > be great to keep things going that way. > > BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd > wedding anniversary! > > GRIT > > Comments and criticisms always welcome at > grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean

Hi Fiona Thanks for the welcome- and pointing me to those sites. Ive been devouring them for the past couple of days since I found the Hugh baptism. So many Roneys!- and many called Hugh:) Interestingly theres a William Roney born circa 1787 Co Down who turns up in Workington Cumberland England around the same time as my Hugh. Im wondering if they were related (both miners) and whether this William is this one I found baptised 1787 -sounds like they were quite close to each other. I know Im clutching at straws but its all very interesting all the same. Parish/ District SAUL AND BALLEE Date Of Birth 12/03/1788 Date of Baptism 12/03/1788 First name WILLIAM Surname RONEY Sex Male Denomination Roman Catholic Fathers Firstname ARTHUR Fathers Surname RONEY Mother Firstname CATHERINE Mother Surname MAGRATH WitnessJAMES MCKENNA Witness2 ISABEL HALPIN Street SLIEVEGRAN Townland Lecale Town Down Back to those fabulous sites- Im already thinking about a trip to County Down - we were in Belfast last year and were so close we could see it.(We live in England) Thanks again Carol

Hi Carol and welcome to the LIST. Sorry I can't help with the Roney (Rooney) family you are looking for but you might find the following page interesting: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/rooney.htm Also check out Ros Davies site pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/R/Roney.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/R/Rooney.htm HAPPY NEW YEAR. Fiona. ===== IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:12 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh RONEY born 1792 Hi Ive joined this list in the hope someone knows anything about this family. Im hoping its mine. My brickwall is Hugh RONEY who died Feb 1839 in Whitehaven Cumberland England aged 47. He was killed in a pit disaster (he was a miner). I have no clues at to where he came from- his children all say on census returns they were born in Whitehaven (from circa 1820) I have searched for Hugh Roneys far and wide and have found this baptism record- its looking like a definate possibility and so I would like to learn more about the family, even if only to eliminate them. Parish/District of Saul and Ballee date of birth 21/03/1792 baptism21/03/1792 Hugh RONEY Roman Catholic father John RONEY mother Rose TEGGART witnesses Michael DORAN and Elizabeth TEGGART street Roneystown Townland Lecale Any thoughts welcome. Happy New Year Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret and Owen Davey, Thank you for your prompt replies. Yes it looks as though it is an Irish name. Before I found that they came from Ireland, In my searches I found many of the variant names in France. Obviously I did not find a connection there. So now I shall try to find out more about them. Thank you and a Happy New Year to you both. Norm ----- Original Message ---- From: conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 31 December, 2007 6:24:32 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Is CARVEL an Irish name. Hi Norm, Yes Carvel is an Irish name. McLysaght who is the definitive word on origins of Irish surnames states in THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND- "Mac Carvill Mac Cearbhaill. Formerly anglicized MacCarroll. An Ulster sept noted for its musicians." The Griffith's Valuation shows all the Carvel, Carvil, Carville, Carvill families in various counties in the Province of Ulster. The majority of the names in the Griffith's Valuation is spelled Carvill. The Irish are notorious for variations in name spellings. You might even find the the name spelled 2 different ways on the same legal document. The Griffith's Valuation has the following CARVEL in County Down, but there are others in County Down with the name spelled CARVILL Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland - 1863/64 for County Down Carvel, Hugh County - Parish : Magheradrool, Townland: Drumsnade Carvel, William - Parish : Kilmore,Townland: Rademan Carvel, William -Parish : Magheradrool,Townland: Drumsnade Wishing you a Happy New Year. Your family is definitely of Irish origin. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ive joined this list in the hope someone knows anything about this family. Im hoping its mine. My brickwall is Hugh RONEY who died Feb 1839 in Whitehaven Cumberland England aged 47. He was killed in a pit disaster (he was a miner). I have no clues at to where he came from- his children all say on census returns they were born in Whitehaven (from circa 1820) I have searched for Hugh Roneys far and wide and have found this baptism record- its looking like a definate possibility and so I would like to learn more about the family, even if only to eliminate them. Parish/District of Saul and Ballee date of birth 21/03/1792 baptism21/03/1792 Hugh RONEY Roman Catholic father John RONEY mother Rose TEGGART witnesses Michael DORAN and Elizabeth TEGGART street Roneystown Townland Lecale Any thoughts welcome. Happy New Year Carol

Thats your new link on now Sharon, on the links page of the webite. Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Oddie Brown" <s.brown@dccnet.com> To: <mwhitmore@snet.net>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Raymond's County Down Web Site >I think there used to be a link to my old website - but just a reminder >that > it is now www.thesilverbowl.com The Co. Down people who are most > significant > are BROWNE-EDGAR-MARTIN of Ardglass and Downpatrick - although many others > are there as well. > Sharon Oddie Brown > Roberts Creek, BC, Canada > History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grit" <mwhitmore@snet.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:14 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Raymond's County Down Web Site > > >> Hello Everyone - >> >> Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best >> that the New Year has to offer. >> >> My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka >> Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, >> you will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance >> and he very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the >> site. >> To date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, >> but now I am preparing to do so. >> >> Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions >> from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County >> Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting >> incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct >> (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much >> misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into >> your tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are >> many of us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. >> >> Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to >> Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe >> getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. >> >> For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. >> If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it >> is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at >> grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of >> how >> you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. >> If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom >> file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. >> >> It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear >> with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. >> >> Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site >> right up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information >> free for all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many >> years and it'd be great to keep things going that way. >> >> BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd >> wedding anniversary! >> >> GRIT >> >> Comments and criticisms always welcome at >> grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >> 30/12/2007 11:27 AM >> >> > Sharon Oddie Brown > Roberts Creek, BC, Canada > History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello and Season Greetings to all on list. As stated in the Subject line, I wish to establish if the name is of Irish origin. Or if it could have arrived from some Mediterranean country, the reason I ask this is that descendants of this family have an Olive skin. The person in question is a James CARVEL born about 1814 in County Down. He married I believe Elizabeth HART born about 1815 in County Down. Their first child Margaret CARVEL was born about 1835 in Ireland. They eventually move to the Isle Of Man 1843 and 1845, with other children. Locations and Dates are arrived at from census records of the Isle Of Man . Thanks in anticipation, Norm

The Tithe Applotment Index for Kilkeel Parish has been updated on my wesite, A happy New Year to everyone on the list, and the best of luck in your research, Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Does anyone know the "legal" status re: posting info. on LIVING people? Ancestry.com has the following policy: "Any information in your family tree regarding living people born after 1930 will show up on your personal family tree but will remain hidden from other Ancestry members." I am sure if we follow that we would be compliant with any legal practices or common protocol...but I just wondered on the legal status. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:23 PM To: mwhitmore@snet.net; nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] PROVEN Gedcoms What a great idea! It is important that we all remember NOT to post information on living people in our online GEDCOM files. In FTM, you can set the file settings to PRIVATE and it will do it for you but of course, it's quite easy just to rename the people as LIVING. Good luck to you Margaret with this ambitious adventure. Happy wedding anniversary to Raymond and the Lady Cathie. HAPPY NEW YEAR to all friends and family on this LIST. THANK YOU to everyone for all their help this past year and GOOD LUCK to you all in your research for 2008! Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm INFORMATION and ADVICE for improving these sites always welcome. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Grit Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:14 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Raymond's County Down Web Site Hello Everyone - Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best that the New Year has to offer. My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, you will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance and he very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the site. To date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, but now I am preparing to do so. Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into your tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are many of us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site right up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information free for all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many years and it'd be great to keep things going that way. BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd wedding anniversary! GRIT Comments and criticisms always welcome at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Norman. it certainely is an Irish name. See www.caora.net .Varient are Carvil, Carville, Carvel and perhaps others. Owen Davey ----- Original Message ----- From: "NORMAN PENKETH" <penketh5@btinternet.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Is CARVEL an Irish name. > Hello and Season Greetings to all on list. > > As stated in the Subject line, I wish to establish if the name is of Irish origin. > Or if it could have arrived from some Mediterranean country, the reason I ask this is that descendants of this family have an Olive skin. > > The person in question is a James CARVEL born about 1814 in County Down. > He married I believe Elizabeth HART born about 1815 in County Down. > > Their first child Margaret CARVEL was born about 1835 in Ireland. > > They eventually move to the Isle Of Man 1843 and 1845, with other children. > > Locations and Dates are arrived at from census records of the Isle Of Man . > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Norm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1204 - Release Date: 12/31/07 12:20 PM > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 22 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

What a great idea! It is important that we all remember NOT to post information on living people in our online GEDCOM files. In FTM, you can set the file settings to PRIVATE and it will do it for you but of course, it's quite easy just to rename the people as LIVING. Good luck to you Margaret with this ambitious adventure. Happy wedding anniversary to Raymond and the Lady Cathie. HAPPY NEW YEAR to all friends and family on this LIST. THANK YOU to everyone for all their help this past year and GOOD LUCK to you all in your research for 2008! Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm INFORMATION and ADVICE for improving these sites always welcome. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Grit Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:14 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Raymond's County Down Web Site Hello Everyone - Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best that the New Year has to offer. My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, you will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance and he very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the site. To date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, but now I am preparing to do so. Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into your tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are many of us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site right up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information free for all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many years and it'd be great to keep things going that way. BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd wedding anniversary! GRIT Comments and criticisms always welcome at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul .When my grt uncle Bernard Toman married in 1858 he married a Mary Keenan and a Rose Keenan as witness .There was also a Patrick Keenan as Bernards witness and a reference to a dispensation of consanguinity perhaps because they were cousins.Best wishes for 2008 Pat Molyneux

Hi Norm, Yes Carvel is an Irish name. McLysaght who is the definitive word on origins of Irish surnames states in THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND- "Mac Carvill Mac Cearbhaill. Formerly anglicized MacCarroll. An Ulster sept noted for its musicians." The Griffith's Valuation shows all the Carvel, Carvil, Carville, Carvill families in various counties in the Province of Ulster. The majority of the names in the Griffith's Valuation is spelled Carvill. The Irish are notorious for variations in name spellings. You might even find the the name spelled 2 different ways on the same legal document. The Griffith's Valuation has the following CARVEL in County Down, but there are others in County Down with the name spelled CARVILL Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland - 1863/64 for County Down Carvel, Hugh County - Parish : Magheradrool, Townland: Drumsnade Carvel, William - Parish : Kilmore,Townland: Rademan Carvel, William -Parish : Magheradrool,Townland: Drumsnade Wishing you a Happy New Year. Your family is definitely of Irish origin. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

I think there used to be a link to my old website - but just a reminder that it is now www.thesilverbowl.com The Co. Down people who are most significant are BROWNE-EDGAR-MARTIN of Ardglass and Downpatrick - although many others are there as well. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grit" <mwhitmore@snet.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Raymond's County Down Web Site > Hello Everyone - > > Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best > that the New Year has to offer. > > My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka > Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, > you will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance > and he very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the site. > To date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, > but now I am preparing to do so. > > Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions > from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County > Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting > incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct > (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much > misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into > your tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are > many of us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. > > Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to > Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe > getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. > > For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. > If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it > is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at > grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how > you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. > If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom > file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. > > It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear > with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. > > Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site > right up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information > free for all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many > years and it'd be great to keep things going that way. > > BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd > wedding anniversary! > > GRIT > > Comments and criticisms always welcome at > grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 30/12/2007 11:27 AM > > Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

Hello Everyone - Just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself & wish you all the best that the New Year has to offer. My name is Margaret Whitmore & I live in Connecticut in the US. (aka Grit) For those of you who follow Raymond Kelly's County Down Web Site, you will know that last year Raymond was looking for a little assistance and he very kindly allowed me to become involved in helping with the site. To date, I have not been very involved in changing or adding to the site, but now I am preparing to do so. Raymond & I are thinking of adding a section to the site for submissions from others of their "proven" family connections with origins from County Down. The reason for using only "proven" information is to avoid putting incorrect information in a place where others might assume it is correct (like they do on the rootweb & ancestry family tree sites) There is much misinformation available, and, if all you want is something to put into your tree without worrying about accuracy, that's great. But there are many of us who much prefer to use only the information we can verify. Now, I can start with my family which my cousin & I have traced back to Ballyculter. But, if you're interested in sharing with others and maybe getting more information from our readers, we'd appreciate your input. For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out. It may take a little while to get this section up and running, but bear with me over the holidays and I'll keep you up to date on the progress. Here's hoping you will all join me in helping to keep Raymond's site right up there in the top of those trying to make genealogy information free for all to utilize. He's done a great job in keeping up for many years and it'd be great to keep things going that way. BTW - Please join me in wishing Raymond & the Lady Cathie a happy 53rd wedding anniversary! GRIT Comments and criticisms always welcome at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Sorry - This should have read personal ancestry file (paf) Grit "For now, submissions need to be forwarded in the form of a gedcom file. If your information is in familytreemaker or a pedigree resource file, it is a gedcom. You can forward family trees to me at grit@raymondscountydownwebsite.com together with a simple statement of how you connected your family to County Down and what documentation you used. If you wish to submit information, but don't have your family in a gedcom file, drop me a note and we'll see what we can work out."

Dear Raymond and everyone on the County Down List. Wishing you a Very Wonderful New Year! Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

Hi Are you searching Quin and others I have a Alan Quinn in my Family he married a Mcshane In Glasgow Also there was a Lyndsay family in the 1920 living near my dad they were also good friends , Kind regards jean On Dec 31, 2007 12:19 AM, P Keenan <keenan-p@sky.com> wrote: > Hi > > Looking for Ann LINDSAY c1800 married c1825 to John Keenan c1800... > possibly > from Rosstrevor, Kilbroney or Warrington in Co Down. No records of > marriage > or births of children anywhere in Co Down...Their children lived for a > period of time in Tullylish, possibly town of Gilford or Laurencetown > where > a group of them married from late 1840's to 1850's. > > Thomas KEENAN b1831 m Cecilia McCAFFREY 1854; William KEENAN m Sarah > THOMPSON 1850; Arthur KEENAN m Catherine Treanor 1853; John KEENAN > m Elizabeth McCAFFREY c1854; Peter KEENAN m Ann QUINN c 1849; all at St > John > the Evangelist RC ...girls Ellen nver married and possibly Rose, Cis > Margaret and Elizabeth most came to live in Johnstone, Renfrewshire, > Scotland from 1857 and some then moved from Scotland to NY MA CT and IA in > USA > > Trying to locate original townland or parish in Down as we are fairly > certain they did not originate in Tullylish. > > Not remotely concerned with religion, but sense that unusual to see > Lindsay > surname as RC as experience shows that this is traditionally a Scots > Presbyterian name or COI. Feel that this may be a clue as to Ann > LINDSAY's home townland. If anyone knows these LINDSAYS please let me > know. > > Any general ideas or suggestions to origins context of this period > very welcome > > Thanks > > Paul T KEENAN > Giffnock > Scotland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean