Hi all, I have updated the Ellis Island Down Strays section of my website with over 400 new Downers in the States of New York & Ohio. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Happy New year, Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, in 1886 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > Hi, > > I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family > tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma Ellem > Reynolds > . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back many > generations of the English branches over the last year but have reached > a brick wall with the Irish connections. > My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North > West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were > Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile > trade in the North West. > I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be > able to point me in the right direction for further research. > > THANKYOU > > Sarah Fernley, > > Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, > Lancs > Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs > I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married couple > in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children all > born in Bolton > > > > Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown -ARMSTRONG > DACEY COFFIE HEALEY > ********************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any > views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of City College Manchester. > > If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have > received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, > printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > ********************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good to see you have started the year off well. Thanks for doing this for everyone - it's a great resource. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Meaney Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:40 PM To: Nir-Down@Rootsweb.Com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] New York & Ohio Ellis Island Downers Updated Hi all, I have updated the Ellis Island Down Strays section of my website with over 400 new Downers in the States of New York & Ohio. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Happy New year, Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in County Down, i have met people from abroad on holiday who were trying to get some information on their ancestors who came from that particular area,although the library staff are not trained to help with genealogy, some of them give a bit of advice and are quite helpful, So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and put a few suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by luck the lady in Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan from Greencastle, a good stroke of luck, my suggestion to her was,as there is computers in all the libraries for the public to use, if a notice board was put up giving the website addresses that deal with that area, and some of the contents of the websites, mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest for a visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people any ideas , as i would like this notice board put in most libraries, the good lady in charge thinks its a good idea so any suggestions please let me know, Raymond in a cold and snowy Scotland

Hi Hugh and Tony - The James Mournian Hugh referred to in his post is the grandfather of Oisen Murnion currently of Kilkeel. My family also goes back to Mournian from County Down & Tony & I have been in touch for some years. The problem we have is not in tracking the variations of the surname, but rather, trying to connect his (Tony's) Mournians to any of the families we have found. Because of the early date that Robert Mournien went to California (approx. 1849) it has proven difficult to find any records. We are hoping, however, that will change before too long as more and more records become available. My grandmother was Annie Marie Mournian whose ancestors originated from Ballyculter area, per a church record - and the name in that 1836 record was Murnan. In the interim, they were in Cumberland & Durham ENG and Hamilton/Cambusnethan SCT. We have proven the family in those areas, and are in touch with various individuals who have been key in providing us with not only family connections, but also with photos of some ancestors. We have not yet proven a connection to Oisen's Murnions either, however, the researchers involved are of the opinion that we will get there at some point as the name is not especially common and many of the family stories match ours. So, I'll be posting my Mournian line as soon as I get the page done for Raymond's County Down Web Site, and you will all see where we have come so far. Any assistance at all in connecting our line to Tony's or Oisen's would be greatly appreciated by all of us! Thanks. Grit grit@raymondscountydownwebsite Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: A James Mournian was listed in the 1901 Census for Kilkeel, Greencastle. The name is also spelled Mornian, Mornian and Murnin, Mourname, etc. No Mournians were listed in Griffith's for Kilkeel and likely James was from somewhere else. The name was not listed in Bassett's Kilkeel directory for 1886 though it is not comprehensive. Ros Davies and caora.net have Murnins, etc. listed in various places. ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" To: ; "the_researcher" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Mournian surname Hi Tony, You probably have learned that the Irish have several variations in spelling for the same name. Mournian phonetically sounds like Mournane which is found in the Griffith's Valuation in Counties Tipperary and Kerry (4). Originally when I read your name I thought of Marmion which is found in County Down and several other counties. Marnane also is pretty close phonetically to Mournian. Do you have any indication from what area of County Down Robert Mournian came from? You peaked my interest when you mentioned the few places where the name is found so I googled and found your post about Robert in California. I'm in northern California. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, Thank you for the additional information. I will try writing to them. Go raibh maith agat (thank you), Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Margaret When I was in Ireland in August last year, I thought I passed a place called the "Linen museum". I think it was off the M1 in County Armagh is about the best location I can give you. I am not sure if they are only involved with the Linen making or if that may include lace. Perhaps others may be able to give you a better contact than I can. The old grey cells are not working this morning. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Hi Sharon, Thank you for the information. Possibly the school in Rathriland might have sold lace to the Crossmaglen businesses. I will see what information is available in Crossmaglen. My Grandmother would walk to school and stay during the week and then go home to Kinghill/Cabra on the weekends. Crossmaglen would be a wee bit far. I actually contacted two different museums in County Down to see if they had information about schools in Rathriland and they didn't have any records. I am hoping somebody has the information. It was suggested that a woman probably ran the school from her home and the students boarded with her. I was hoping to find some clues in the 1901 census. Go raibh maith agat (thank you), Margaret (Máiread)

A James Mournian was listed in the 1901 Census for Kilkeel, Greencastle. The name is also spelled Mornian, Mornian and Murnin, Mourname, etc. No Mournians were listed in Griffith's for Kilkeel and likely James was from somewhere else. The name was not listed in Bassett's Kilkeel directory for 1886 though it is not comprehensive. Ros Davies and caora.net have Murnins, etc. listed in various places. ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com>; "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Mournian surname Hi Tony, You probably have learned that the Irish have several variations in spelling for the same name. Mournian phonetically sounds like Mournane which is found in the Griffith's Valuation in Counties Tipperary and Kerry (4). Originally when I read your name I thought of Marmion which is found in County Down and several other counties. Marnane also is pretty close phonetically to Mournian. Do you have any indication from what area of County Down Robert Mournian came from? You peaked my interest when you mentioned the few places where the name is found so I googled and found your post about Robert in California. I'm in northern California. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol - take a look at the list at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/Resources.htm Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:20 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Hi As a newcomer to this list- and to County Down research, I definately think the idea put forward by Raymond would be very helpful. Thanks carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well done Raymond on taking the initiative. I know there are some wonderful staff at Ballynahinch library (May Bradley & Gemma Ward) who have helped me enormously. Perhaps it might be worth you having a chat with them. A very useful library resource is the newspaper indexes compiled by Jack McCoy - I know Ballynahinch have copies but I am not sure about the other libraries. Good luck to you. Fiona in freezing New Jersey http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of the_researcher Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:29 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in County Down, i have met people from abroad on holiday who were trying to get some information on their ancestors who came from that particular area,although the library staff are not trained to help with genealogy, some of them give a bit of advice and are quite helpful, So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and put a few suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by luck the lady in Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan from Greencastle, a good stroke of luck, my suggestion to her was,as there is computers in all the libraries for the public to use, if a notice board was put up giving the website addresses that deal with that area, and some of the contents of the websites, mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest for a visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people any ideas , as i would like this notice board put in most libraries, the good lady in charge thinks its a good idea so any suggestions please let me know, Raymond in a cold and snowy Scotland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi As a newcomer to this list- and to County Down research, I definately think the idea put forward by Raymond would be very helpful. Thanks carol

Hi Tony, You probably have learned that the Irish have several variations in spelling for the same name. Mournian phonetically sounds like Mournane which is found in the Griffith's Valuation in Counties Tipperary and Kerry (4). Originally when I read your name I thought of Marmion which is found in County Down and several other counties. Marnane also is pretty close phonetically to Mournian. Do you have any indication from what area of County Down Robert Mournian came from? You peaked my interest when you mentioned the few places where the name is found so I googled and found your post about Robert in California. I'm in northern California. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

Raymond, I have no suggestions, though this made interesting reading. I would observe that the only other Mournians on the face of the earth are either in Hamilton, Scotland, or in England. I see you live in Scotland. I hope that you and your bride of many years enjoyed your New Years' Eve anniversary, cold and snowy or not. Tony On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:28 AM, the_researcher wrote: > Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in > County Down, i have met people from abroad on holiday who were > trying to get some information on their ancestors who came from > that particular area,although the library staff are not trained to > help with genealogy, some of them give a bit of advice and are > quite helpful, > So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and > put a few suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by > luck the lady in Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan > from Greencastle, a good stroke of luck, my suggestion to her > was,as there is computers in all the libraries for the public to > use, if a notice board was put up giving the website addresses that > deal with that area, and some of the contents of the websites, > mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest for a > visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people > any ideas , as i would like this notice board put in most > libraries, the good lady in charge thinks its a good idea so any > suggestions please let me know, > > Raymond > in a cold and snowy Scotland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Anthony Mournian AnthonyMournian@san.rr.com

I am very grateful for the kind and capable assistance I have received the last few days. However, in developing several scenarios, I noted the data of both the James McKinney birth and the Bernard Curran marriage that several cited. Although the latter is certainly attractive (fitting Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet's image of the youthful bride, age 23, and groom, age 18), I think it's too much of a leap, given the surname difference without a soundex connection. As a consequence, I may have to discard the notion that my grandparents were married locally before daughter Elizabeth's birth in 1870. My source in doing so would be the Gov’t of Scotland Database, June 18/05, http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/, 4ailmp29. It reads: Extract of an entry in a Register of Deaths, given under the Seal of the General Register Office 22 June 2005. No. 88 , year 1892 Maiden Name MCKENNA Forename MARGARET Other Surnames HYNDS Sex F Age 43 District IRVINE City/County/MR AYR Gross Data 595/00 0180 Death notice states she was from Croft Parish of Dundonald. Extract of an entry in a Register of Deaths, given under the Seal of the General Register Office 22 June 2005. No. 88 , year 1892 Maiden Name MCKENNA Forename MARGARET Other Surnames HYNDS Sex F Age 43 District IRVINE City/County/MR AYR Gross Data 595/00 0180 Cause of Death : Hepatic Cirrfrosis, heart failure, three days. Father John Hynds, General Labourer, present. Mother, Madge Hynds, maiden surname Connelly, deceased. From Croft, Parish of Dundonald. Accepting the above, of course, puts me at a loss to identify my grandfather, Bernard McKinney aka McKenna. Previous research suggested he was born and baptised 14 Jul 1815 in Loughinisland , Co. Down with Sponsors John Smyth, Mary Morgan; Rev. W. McMullan presiding. My source for the latter is "Ordinance Survey Memoirs of Ireland, Parishes of County Down iv", 1833-7, East Down and Lecale, Angelique Day & Patrick McWilliams, The Institute of Irish Studies, Queen’s University of Belfast, 17, Ballyculter pp. 25-31; Saul , pp. 111-5; Loughinisland pp. 94-8. Was Bernard's father John McKinney? One could certainly speculate from Griffith's Valuation: Location : County Down, “Loughesisland” (sic) Parish, Clough; likely spelled Loughinisland http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/down/ loughinisland.htm Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Loughinisland, County Down Mc Kinney John Clough Loughinisland Down Unfortunately, I was unable recently to obtain newspaper (Down Recorder) obituaries of my grandparents' deaths from the Downpatrick Library. I wish I could read the Saul St. Michael's Cemetery graveyard inscription to see if their ages are cited. Next week I plan to examine the following microfilm: Title Parish register printouts of Downpatrick, Down, Ireland, christenings, 1733-1854 Authors Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Society (Main Author) Notes C-70003-1. Extracted from printed copy of church records. 941.65/D1 V26d. Some missing years. Subjects Ireland, Down, Downpatrick - Church records - Indexes Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974 Physical on 1 microfilm reel ; 16 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Parish register printouts of Downpatrick, Down, Ireland, christenings, 1733-1854 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 933427 Item 6 ] As well, I would be very pleased to receive comments and related suggestions. Would anyone happen to know how I could research Croft Parish of Dundonald? Thanks again. Kevin

Hi Sharon, Thank you for the information. Possibly the school in Rathriland might have sold lace to the Crossmaglen businesses. I will see what information is available in Crossmaglen. My Grandmother would walk to school and stay during the week and then go home to Kinghill/Cabra on the weekends. Crossmaglen would be a wee bit far. I actually contacted two different museums in County Down to see if they had information about schools in Rathriland and they didn't have any records. I am hoping somebody has the information. It was suggested that a woman probably ran the school from her home and the students boarded with her. I was hoping to find some clues in the 1901 census. Go raibh maith agat (thank you), Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Oddie Brown" <s.brown@dccnet.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Dear Margaret, One of the lace making centers was in Crossmaglen, Co. Armagh. A Susan DONALDSON nee CORR of Urcher townland was one of the main purchasers of lace and the lace won all sorts of prizes in Dublin. I don't know if that helps. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada

Dear Margaret, One of the lace making centers was in Crossmaglen, Co. Armagh. A Susan DONALDSON nee CORR of Urcher townland was one of the main purchasers of lace and the lace won all sorts of prizes in Dublin. I don't know if that helps. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> To: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Dear Raymond, Hopefully you are staying warm in "cold and snowy Scotland." Congratulations on your wedding anniversary. You must have had a wonderful celebration! Your suggestion was excellent. I would also add - it they could also post the name of local historians and the local historical society address and contact person. I have been trying to get the name of the sewing school in Rathfriland where my Grandmother learned to sew and make Irish lace.The person I spoke with at the Rathfriland library gave me the name of one person who didn't have any information about the sewing schools. I thought I could check the census in 1901 and see if the school still existed (my Grandmother would have attended probably in the mid to late 1890s but the Rathfriland Library is small and didn't have access to the census. Thankfully the National Archives of Ireland is digitalizing the 1911 Census followed by the 1901 Census. The Dublin 1911 Censu went online in early December and hopefully in January they will put County Down online. The National Archives lists the various counties and in which order they will go online. County Down is third on the list with County Antrim. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ National Archives Census page Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down > Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in County > Down, i have met people from abroad on holiday who were trying to get some > information on their ancestors who came from that particular area,although > the library staff are not trained to help with genealogy, some of them > give a bit of advice and are quite helpful, > So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and put a > few suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by luck the lady > in Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan from Greencastle, a > good stroke of luck, my suggestion to her was,as there is computers in all > the libraries for the public to use, if a notice board was put up giving > the website addresses that deal with that area, and some of the contents > of the websites, mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest > for a visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people any > ideas , as i would like this notice board put in most libraries, the good > lady in charge thinks its a good idea so any suggestions please let me > know, > > Raymond > in a cold and snowy Scotland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 02/01/2008 11:29 AM Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

Dear Raymond, Hopefully you are staying warm in "cold and snowy Scotland." Congratulations on your wedding anniversary. You must have had a wonderful celebration! Your suggestion was excellent. I would also add - it they could also post the name of local historians and the local historical society address and contact person. I have been trying to get the name of the sewing school in Rathfriland where my Grandmother learned to sew and make Irish lace.The person I spoke with at the Rathfriland library gave me the name of one person who didn't have any information about the sewing schools. I thought I could check the census in 1901 and see if the school still existed (my Grandmother would have attended probably in the mid to late 1890s but the Rathfriland Library is small and didn't have access to the census. Thankfully the National Archives of Ireland is digitalizing the 1911 Census followed by the 1901 Census. The Dublin 1911 Censu went online in early December and hopefully in January they will put County Down online. The National Archives lists the various counties and in which order they will go online. County Down is third on the list with County Antrim. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ National Archives Census page Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down > Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in County > Down, i have met people from abroad on holiday who were trying to get some > information on their ancestors who came from that particular area,although > the library staff are not trained to help with genealogy, some of them > give a bit of advice and are quite helpful, > So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and put a > few suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by luck the lady > in Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan from Greencastle, a > good stroke of luck, my suggestion to her was,as there is computers in all > the libraries for the public to use, if a notice board was put up giving > the website addresses that deal with that area, and some of the contents > of the websites, mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest > for a visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people any > ideas , as i would like this notice board put in most libraries, the good > lady in charge thinks its a good idea so any suggestions please let me > know, > > Raymond > in a cold and snowy Scotland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kevin - don't know whether this will help or hinder: Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 29 Jun 1869 Groom Name bernard CURRAN Bride Name margaret HYNDS Church Strangford Roman Catholic Church Parish Ballyculter Civil District Downpatrick County Down Fiona. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin McKinney Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:44 PM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] SAUL AND BALLEE Carol's SAUL AND BALLEE research has sparked my interest, particularly from the James McKenna witness and the Parish she cites. My brickwall is locating the marriage record of Bernard McKinney aka McKenna to Margaret Hynds (Hinds, Hines), most likely in her home Ballyculter Parish circa 1869. In part, my search is based on evidence of a John Hynds as a sponsor for the baptism of Bernard and Margaret (Hynds) McKinney's daughter Elizabeth, [Baptismal Record] TITLE : UHF, BIRTHS, SAUL AND BALLEE, CO DOWN, RC Parish/District : SAUL AND BALLEE Reg : 2 Page : 1 Entry : 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Child Surname : MCKINNEY Child First Name : ELIZABETH Birth Date : 23/03/1870 Indicator : Christening/Reg. date : 23/03/1870 Indicator : Child TownLand/Street : LISBAN Denomination : RC Sex : F Fathers Surname : MCKINNEY Mothers Surname : HINES First Name : BERNARD First Name : MARGARET Occupation : Sponsor/Informant 1 Sponsor/Informant 2 Surname : HINES Surname : SMYTH First name : JOHN First Name : ANN Comment : REV N CRICKARD . How might I best search the Ballyculter Parish, Townland Strangford records for the birth record of Margaret Hynds/Hines ; and her marriage record to Bernard McKinney? Today, both are buried in St. Michael's R.C. Parish Church Cemetery, Saul, Downpatrick, Co. Down; Margaret since 1892, Bernard since April 1900; leaving 10 children-all identified in the 1901 Census. Alternately, how do I access the SAUL AND BALLEE Parish records? Thank you. Kevin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol's SAUL AND BALLEE research has sparked my interest, particularly from the James McKenna witness and the Parish she cites. My brickwall is locating the marriage record of Bernard McKinney aka McKenna to Margaret Hynds (Hinds, Hines), most likely in her home Ballyculter Parish circa 1869. In part, my search is based on evidence of a John Hynds as a sponsor for the baptism of Bernard and Margaret (Hynds) McKinney's daughter Elizabeth, [Baptismal Record] TITLE : UHF, BIRTHS, SAUL AND BALLEE, CO DOWN, RC Parish/District : SAUL AND BALLEE Reg : 2 Page : 1 Entry : 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Child Surname : MCKINNEY Child First Name : ELIZABETH Birth Date : 23/03/1870 Indicator : Christening/Reg. date : 23/03/1870 Indicator : Child TownLand/Street : LISBAN Denomination : RC Sex : F Fathers Surname : MCKINNEY Mothers Surname : HINES First Name : BERNARD First Name : MARGARET Occupation : Sponsor/Informant 1 Sponsor/Informant 2 Surname : HINES Surname : SMYTH First name : JOHN First Name : ANN Comment : REV N CRICKARD . How might I best search the Ballyculter Parish, Townland Strangford records for the birth record of Margaret Hynds/Hines ; and her marriage record to Bernard McKinney? Today, both are buried in St. Michael's R.C. Parish Church Cemetery, Saul, Downpatrick, Co. Down; Margaret since 1892, Bernard since April 1900; leaving 10 children-all identified in the 1901 Census. Alternately, how do I access the SAUL AND BALLEE Parish records? Thank you. Kevin

Hi Thanks for that Fiona. Those Mountains of Mourne (and the song) are meaning more to me the more Im learning about the area. bye for now carol

Hope you are all settling into the New Year. If any of you have made a New Year Resolution to tidy up your genealogy notes and come across records that you would like to share..but don't know how to..just email them over to me at mourneminers@optonline.net and I will post them on the IGP Co. Down site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm All types of information is very welcome - photographs, gravestone inscriptions, BMD records, old photographs, maps, newspaper articles etc. etc. In addition to storing them in a safe place you might just link up with a new cousin or too!! Also anyone with a creative urge please feel free to send any articles, stories, or any genealogical pieces that you might have written. There is a place for everything on the site. Fiona. IGP County Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm ======= PLEASE REMEMBER TO REGULARLY BACK-UP YOUR GENEALOGY FILES