Down *badly* needs a file manager with some website experience and a desire to help us get more online for Down. We are an all free and all volunteer effort and that means we need ----- volunteers. :) If you are interested in helping - contact me at chrisnina@gmail.com Thanks, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/

Hello Listers- I am still trying to verify the names of the parents of my gr gr grandfather, ALEXANDER ORR MCGOWAN. He was born in 1812, in either Ballykeel or Ballyhalbert, Comber Parish, Co Down.. His biography states that he was raised by his paternal grandfather, with his father being an invalid for the past 13 yrs. No mention is made of his mother in the biography. He was a teacher in the National School in 1833, at Tullygirven, (known as ORR MCGOWAN there) and is listed on pg. 34 in the Comber Parish chapter of the "Ordnance Survey of Ireland, Parishes of County Down II 1832-4,1837, No. Down & the Ards." In 1843 he moved to Dunmurry, Co Antrim, along with his wife, (MARGARET MCKITTRICK, daughter of ADAM MCKITRICK AND MARGARET ORR) who was the first teacher for girls at the National School there as well. She was also the Postmistress there. They emigrated with their 3 children to the US in 1850, eventually settling in Warren Township, Wisconsin. In regards to this search, a kind researcher checked his database in the "Ulster Pedigree-the Many Descendants of James Orr", and came up with a possible match - David McGowan of Crossnacreevy and Eleanor Orr of Ballykeel. Their children are listed as Mary, James, Alexander and William. No dates are given here, but the area, family names and townlands are right on. David McGowan is also listed as being "rebuked" by the Presbyterian Kirk Session, no date or reason given. He and Eleanor were part of the Moneyrea Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church. Another researcher told me that Eleanor is listed in an old area newsletter obit, saying she was born in 1784 and died Nov 30th, 1844, at the age of 60, and had been married to the late David McGowan of Crossnacreevy. He evidently died before 1844 - and this time period of the earlier death, matches the family biography time line. If anyone can help me dig further in my search, or give some suggestions, it would greatly be appreciated! I will enclose a link to the family biography, written by his oldest son, Robert James Orr McGowan. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/aomcgowan.html Thank you for taking the time to read this! Pat McGowan Bartos patmcb56@sbcglobal.net

I have been looking for the HUNSDALE family for about the last 5 years. There are not many of them - so I thought it would be easy to find. HANS HUNSDALE has been a bit of a brickwall. I know he was born about 1840, I have his marriage in 1861 and the birth of his 4 children all in the Newtownards area. At some point this family moved to Belfast. I have most of the family deaths and a kind person sent me their burial information from the Belfast City Cemetery and he was not with them. I have his wife's death and then his remarriage in 1885. When the directories were on line at Proni I found him in several of the years as a sea captain. First question - how do I find out what he was a captain of - I have no idea where to go to get this information. In the directories I found him at the following addresses 1877 P 300 - 301 Hunsdale Hans Seaman 10 Wolfe Street 1880 P262-263 Hunsdale Hans Seaman 16 Rotterdam Street 1881 12 Wolfe Street Marriage of Annie 1885 1 Wolfe Street Death of Wife Annie 1887 P202-203 Hunsdale Hans Sailor 7 Garfield Terrace 1889 31 Madrid Street Death of Agnes 1890 P190-191 Hunsdale H. Sea Captain 31 Madrid Street 1892 P350-351 Hunsdale H. Sea Captain 64 Paxton Street 1892 P570-571 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 64 Paxton Street 1894 64 Paxton Street Death of Hans= son 1895 P552-553 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 4 Mount Street 1896 P578-579 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 4 Mount Street He certainly moved around. I found one directory for a Mrs. H. Hundsdale of Crawford Street in 1990 and she was a widow. I have no idea where Crawford Street is. I realized I hadn't searched the deaths for him in this time period and found one in 1898 - so this fit. When I received the certificate this week I am unsure if it is the right person. It is the right name - but the age is wrong and he is listed as a Storekeeper. How do you go from a Sea Captain to a Storekeeper. I am not sure if this means he owned the store or worked for someone else. The only thing that makes me believe it is the right person is the informant is an ELIZA JANE LONG - sister-in-law. This name is the same as the witness on his second marriage, and Long is the maiden name of his second wife - so she could have his age wrong. But it says he was 44 and it should be 58. Could she be out that much. Second question - does this sound like I have the right person. I am sending this to the Down list as well as Belfast as you are always so helpful. Thanks Brenda

This is a long shot, but would any one have any information on Newry School, and Dr. Lyons? John Kells Ingram was possibly educated there, and also Patrick Alfred Jennings (Premier NSW). It may have been on Corry Square, but there was also a Lyons Academy at no. 1 Hill St., where there was an Edward Lyons M.A. who was a Protestant in 1836. I think I am looking for a Catholic school specifically called Newry School, but cannot be sure. I need help in identifying the school, and whether there is any information out there about it, or any records anywhere. I have googled it without success. I realise this is very vague, but would greatly appreciate any help. Nicola Jennings

Well - Well - you learn something everyday on this LIST. Thanks for that Peter. For a list of nicknames see: http://www.tngenweb.org/franklin/frannick.htm Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Strauss Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:57 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 Hi Listers, Regarding the almost immediate baptism of infants. Because it was believed that to die unbaptised would leave you with the devil it was undertaken as soon as possible. The ultimate registered name may not always have been used at baptism; the devil was often called "Nick" hence "Nick Names" Cheers Peter in a warm 38C Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nir-down-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 4:33 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 Today's Topics: 1. baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 2. Re: Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry (Sarah Fernley) 3. FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH (Yvonne Russell) 4. Re: FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH (bganderson) 5. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (DLCulhane@cs.com) 6. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 7. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (conaught2) 8. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 9. Re: Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry (Hugh Macartney) 10. Historical Society in Portaferry or Library? (bzenke@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:17:13 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d3d.1e015c73.34af7dc9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day they were born. Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were usually a couple of weeks later. Just wondering. Carol ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:26:18 +0000 From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <477E25EA0200008C0001ABDA@gwia.ccm.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Hugh, Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her children's baptisms. Sarah Message: 3 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, in 1886 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > Hi, > > I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family > tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma Ellem > Reynolds > . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back many > generations of the English branches over the last year but have reached > a brick wall with the Irish connections. > My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North > West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were > Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile > trade in the North West. > I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be > able to point me in the right direction for further research. > > THANKYOU > > Sarah Fernley, > > Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, > Lancs > Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs > I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married couple > in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children all > born in Bolton > > > > Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown -ARMSTRONG > DACEY COFFIE HEALEY ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. ********************************** ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:44:17 -0000 From: "Yvonne Russell" <yvrussell@gmail.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001201c84ecf$8567d370$0201a8c0@LT01147> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & DARROCH). My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. Yvonne ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:00:41 -0500 From: bganderson <b-g.anderson@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <477E2DF9.5000108@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Yvonne: I have a James Robinson born about 1885 ? I wondered if you have this name in your family. He married a Jane/Jennie Anderson and I feel he probably worked in the shipyards as most of this family did. Brenda Yvonne Russell wrote: >I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer >1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & >DARROCH). > >My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. > >Yvonne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:27:40 EST From: DLCulhane@cs.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c10.2753f7bc.34af8e4c@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I think in times and places where infant mortality was high, same-day baptism was not unusual. Diane ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:11:59 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c16.2c8af2d8.34af98af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Diane Thats what i was thinking- maybe things were so bad they rountinely baptised their kids- just in case. Hard times. thanks carol ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:41:14 -0800 From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009a01c84ee8$3d7dc150$0a00a8c0@krisitc65c6b9> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, the priest was ususally called to baptize the child the same day or one day after the birth. Some people may find birth records which are dated after the baptismal date of the child and think they have the wrong person. Parents were required to register the birth of their child within a month of the birth. Sometimes it took up to several months for the parents to go to town and register the birth of their child. If the birth was not registered within a month, the parents were fined. Originally baptisms were performed on the same day or day after the birth because as was stated they were fearful of the child dying. Sadly if the baby died before being baptized the child was not allowed to be buried in a church cemetery which was blessed ground. These babies were buried outside of the cemetery walls. Recently throughout Ireland many of these graves have been blessed and stones have been placed to recognize the burial places of these babies. It must have been heartbreaking for parents who not only had to deal with the loss of their new born baby but then to be told their child could not have a funeral or be buried in the church cemetery. Beannachtai, Margaret (M?iread) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carolgriff@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 > Hi > > While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in > County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day > they were > born. > > Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were > usually a couple of weeks later. > > Just wondering. > > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:48:44 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c89.1f81c3b9.34afaf5c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Margaret Thanks for the detail provided. Its lovely to know that some of those little graves have nown been given the respect they deserved, and it certainly explains the haste to get babies baptised. Carol ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:30:36 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000801c84eef$22cb53c0$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Reynolds is a common name in Co. Down. See caora.net and the Ros Davies Co. Down web site. Your nearest branch of the Mormon library (Latter Day Saints) will have the International Genealogical Index and you could go through all the Reynolds listed. You could start with Ellen and try and find her parents and siblings. Registrations after 1846 will be available but earlier records can be difficult to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry > Hi Hugh, > > Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. > > Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her > Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. > > Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i > just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely > new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish > registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is > Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her > children's baptisms. > > Sarah > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 > From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, > in > 1886 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > > >> Hi, >> >> I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family >> tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma > Ellem >> Reynolds >> . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back > many >> generations of the English branches over the last year but have > reached >> a brick wall with the Irish connections. >> My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North >> West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were >> Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile >> trade in the North West. >> I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be >> able to point me in the right direction for further research. >> >> THANKYOU >> >> Sarah Fernley, >> >> Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, >> Lancs >> Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs >> I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married > couple >> in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children > all >> born in Bolton >> >> >> >> Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown > -ARMSTRONG >> DACEY COFFIE HEALEY > > ********************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any > views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of City College Manchester. > > If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have > received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, > printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > ********************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:31:44 -0500 From: bzenke@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Historical Society in Portaferry or Library? To: NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CA1D0ECF57EC51-9C0-118C@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy New Year Listers: We will be traveling to Ireland in late Feb and early March.?Will visit Portaferry and like to locate family information?or better yet, family!? Noted that the Tourist Information Office will be closed during that time and would like to make contact with someone who could provide information on where to go.? Surnames of interest: MCALPINE, GOWAN, PARKE, FINNEGAN, BLACKMORE Appreciate any suggestions that may be out there.? Thanks.?????? Beverly in Virginia. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Raymond and All, Avery good suggestion. There are those of us who are unlikely to get to Ireland and perhaps, if the List permits, a listing of useful sites and a description of what they hold could be placed on the list so that we can follow them up. Cheers Peter In a "WARM" 41C Melbourne Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:28:36 -0000 From: "the_researcher" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000a01c84e2e$1282e710$4001a8c0@your5ayqxxxsvu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in County Down, i have met people from abroad on holiday who were trying to get some information on their ancestors who came from that particular area,although the library staff are not trained to help with genealogy, some of them give a bit of advice and are quite helpful, So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and put a few suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by luck the lady in Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan from Greencastle, a good stroke of luck, my suggestion to her was,as there is computers in all the libraries for the public to use, if a notice board was put up giving the website addresses that deal with that area, and some of the contents of the websites, mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest for a visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people any ideas , as i would like this notice board put in most libraries, the good lady in charge thinks its a good idea so any suggestions please let me know, Raymond in a cold and snowy Scotland

I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & DARROCH). My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. Yvonne

Happy New Year Listers: We will be traveling to Ireland in late Feb and early March.?Will visit Portaferry and like to locate family information?or better yet, family!? Noted that the Tourist Information Office will be closed during that time and would like to make contact with someone who could provide information on where to go.? Surnames of interest: MCALPINE, GOWAN, PARKE, FINNEGAN, BLACKMORE Appreciate any suggestions that may be out there.? Thanks.?????? Beverly in Virginia. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Hi Hugh, Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her children's baptisms. Sarah Message: 3 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, in 1886 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > Hi, > > I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family > tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma Ellem > Reynolds > . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back many > generations of the English branches over the last year but have reached > a brick wall with the Irish connections. > My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North > West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were > Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile > trade in the North West. > I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be > able to point me in the right direction for further research. > > THANKYOU > > Sarah Fernley, > > Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, > Lancs > Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs > I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married couple > in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children all > born in Bolton > > > > Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown -ARMSTRONG > DACEY COFFIE HEALEY ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. **********************************

Hi Margaret Thanks for the detail provided. Its lovely to know that some of those little graves have nown been given the respect they deserved, and it certainly explains the haste to get babies baptised. Carol

Hi Yvonne and others! Could you DARROCH also be DARRAGH? My great-great-grandmother, Isabella DARRAGH (born 1839, Dromore, Co. Down, Ireland) died 1910 in Belfast, married John Maddock 21 Jan 1856 in Seapatrick, Co. Down, Ireland. She had brothers, Robert, Richard and James DARRAGH and a sister Jane DARRAGH who married Samuel Wilson in Shankill, Armagh, Ireland 20 Feb 1849 (and maybe other sisters). Isabella's father was John DARRAGH, a shuttle maker, born in Dromore about 1794. There was an "Uncle Robert DARRAGH" associated with my family still living in the Belfast area in the 1940s. Bobbie Purdue California -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Russell Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:44 AM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW/ SHANNON / DARROCH I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & DARROCH). My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. Yvonne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret When I was in Ireland in August last year, I thought I passed a place called the "Linen museum". I think it was off the M1 in County Armagh is about the best location I can give you. I am not sure if they are only involved with the Linen making or if that may include lace. Perhaps others may be able to give you a better contact than I can. The old grey cells are not working this morning. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down Hi Sharon, Thank you for the information. Possibly the school in Rathriland might have sold lace to the Crossmaglen businesses. I will see what information is available in Crossmaglen. My Grandmother would walk to school and stay during the week and then go home to Kinghill/Cabra on the weekends. Crossmaglen would be a wee bit far. I actually contacted two different museums in County Down to see if they had information about schools in Rathriland and they didn't have any records. I am hoping somebody has the information. It was suggested that a woman probably ran the school from her home and the students boarded with her. I was hoping to find some clues in the 1901 census. Go raibh maith agat (thank you), Margaret (Máiread)

Raymond As the Ballynahinch library is the Headquarters and local studies centre for that part of Northern Ireland, I would contact Mary and Gemma as the first step. Her Email is mary.bradley@NI-libraries.Net Over the last 3 years I have been thrown out of a number of Irish Libraries at closing time. I normally ask if there are any books on Boyd families. Mostly the reply is no, but when you start going through the shelves and checking the Indexes it is quite surprising how many Boyd families and references you can pick up. Certainly websites would be useful with what they contain. (i) The list of the local family history group (and contacts including website and Email) (ii) List of local Newspapers for the County and Belfast (iii) Local historians whom can be contacted. (iv) On my first visit I was told to contact the local Radio Station as most Irish listen to the radio. Never been able to find one. So perhaps a list of radio stations and their contacts may be useful to let local people know that you are looking for a family of XYZ. (v) for being an Australian, finding townlands when you are in a library is quite often difficult. I have most of the 1:50,000 series maps for Antrim and Down, but these do not have an Index and not all the official townland names are on them. So suitable townland maps may another useful aid. As I am also the Clan Boyd's Chairman of its Historical Committee, I leave my business card at all the libraries I go to and saying I would be quite happy to help other Boyd researchers. However, I can't recall any Library passing on my name - as yet. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiona Jones" <mourneminers@optonline.net> To: "'the_researcher'" <the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down > Well done Raymond on taking the initiative. I know there are some > wonderful > staff at Ballynahinch library (May Bradley & Gemma Ward) who have helped > me > enormously. Perhaps it might be worth you having a chat with them. > > A very useful library resource is the newspaper indexes compiled by Jack > McCoy - I know Ballynahinch have copies but I am not sure about the other > libraries. > > Good luck to you. > > Fiona in freezing New Jersey > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of the_researcher > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:29 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestor research, County Down > > Over the years whilst visiting kilkeel, and other libraries in County > Down, > i have met people from abroad on holiday who were trying to get some > information on their ancestors who came from that particular area,although > the library staff are not trained to help with genealogy, some of them > give > a bit of advice and are quite helpful, > So i decided to explain this to the Library Headquarter bosses and put a > few > suggestions to them, starting with Kilkeel library, by luck the lady in > Armagh headquarters who is in charge, is a Sloan from Greencastle, a good > stroke of luck, my suggestion to her was,as there is computers in all the > libraries for the public to use, if a notice board was put up giving the > website addresses that deal with that area, and some of the contents of > the > websites, mebbe something else that someone on the list can suggest for a > visitor from abroad who is researching ancestors, so good people any ideas > , > as i would like this notice board put in most libraries, the good lady in > charge thinks its a good idea so any suggestions please let me know, > > Raymond > in a cold and snowy Scotland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diane Thats what i was thinking- maybe things were so bad they rountinely baptised their kids- just in case. Hard times. thanks carol

Reynolds is a common name in Co. Down. See caora.net and the Ros Davies Co. Down web site. Your nearest branch of the Mormon library (Latter Day Saints) will have the International Genealogical Index and you could go through all the Reynolds listed. You could start with Ellen and try and find her parents and siblings. Registrations after 1846 will be available but earlier records can be difficult to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry > Hi Hugh, > > Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. > > Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her > Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. > > Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i > just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely > new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish > registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is > Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her > children's baptisms. > > Sarah > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 > From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, > in > 1886 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > > >> Hi, >> >> I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family >> tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma > Ellem >> Reynolds >> . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back > many >> generations of the English branches over the last year but have > reached >> a brick wall with the Irish connections. >> My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North >> West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were >> Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile >> trade in the North West. >> I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be >> able to point me in the right direction for further research. >> >> THANKYOU >> >> Sarah Fernley, >> >> Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, >> Lancs >> Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs >> I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married > couple >> in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children > all >> born in Bolton >> >> >> >> Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown > -ARMSTRONG >> DACEY COFFIE HEALEY > > ********************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any > views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of City College Manchester. > > If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have > received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, > printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > ********************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think in times and places where infant mortality was high, same-day baptism was not unusual. Diane

Hi Yvonne: I have a James Robinson born about 1885 ? I wondered if you have this name in your family. He married a Jane/Jennie Anderson and I feel he probably worked in the shipyards as most of this family did. Brenda Yvonne Russell wrote: >I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer >1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & >DARROCH). > >My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. > >Yvonne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Yes, the priest was ususally called to baptize the child the same day or one day after the birth. Some people may find birth records which are dated after the baptismal date of the child and think they have the wrong person. Parents were required to register the birth of their child within a month of the birth. Sometimes it took up to several months for the parents to go to town and register the birth of their child. If the birth was not registered within a month, the parents were fined. Originally baptisms were performed on the same day or day after the birth because as was stated they were fearful of the child dying. Sadly if the baby died before being baptized the child was not allowed to be buried in a church cemetery which was blessed ground. These babies were buried outside of the cemetery walls. Recently throughout Ireland many of these graves have been blessed and stones have been placed to recognize the burial places of these babies. It must have been heartbreaking for parents who not only had to deal with the loss of their new born baby but then to be told their child could not have a funeral or be buried in the church cemetery. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carolgriff@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 > Hi > > While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in > County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day > they were > born. > > Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were > usually a couple of weeks later. > > Just wondering. > > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day they were born. Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were usually a couple of weeks later. Just wondering. Carol

Hi, I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma Ellem Reynolds . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back many generations of the English branches over the last year but have reached a brick wall with the Irish connections. My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile trade in the North West. I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be able to point me in the right direction for further research. THANKYOU Sarah Fernley, Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, Lancs Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married couple in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children all born in Bolton Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown -ARMSTRONG DACEY COFFIE HEALEY ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. **********************************