Pete, Thank you for all your work. I know it's very time consuming. I see that you missed my grandparents, John and Rose Grant, who arrived Aug 1, 1906 on the Astoria at Ellis Island. Actually you missed my grandfather twice. The first time he arrived was on the Astoria Oct 26, 1903 with his nephew also named John Grant (his sister married a Grant). Both times he went to Pittsburgh PA. I also see that Ellis Island website still hasn't corrected the link to my grandfather's arrival in 1903. The ship manifest link is to another ship that came Oct 10, 1903. I have repeatedly notified the website since website when up and still no correction. I don't need the info since I already have a copy the ship manifest but for others looking it can be frustrating. Using Steve Morse's website linked my grandfather's info to the same incorrect info as Ellis Island. Thanks again for all your work. It is very much appreciated. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald GRANT/MCMANUS/MORGAN/WOODS Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands in County Down In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:03:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com_ (mailto:peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com) writes: I have now finished updating my Ellis Island County Down pages. I have included several more US states and there is now also a page for those who are recorded as being in transit to Canada. As always these can be reached via the 'latest updates' link on my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Or the entire site can be searched using the search engine (which has also been updated) on my home page. Please visit my 'guest book' page and let me know if you find the site useful. Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hi Yvonne, I am researching the MORROWs in the Drumlough, Drumgath, Co. Down area; Also in Belfast, Ireland and Greenock, Scotland. Are any of your MORROWs in these areas? Best Regards, Roxanne Yvonne Russell wrote: >I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer >1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & >DARROCH). > >My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. > >Yvonne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Story below from the Man About Town (Mourne Observer Newspaper) http://www.mourneobserver.com/Man%20about%20town.htm Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ ============ Guinness and the Guiness connection IT seems DNA research has now linked the great Guinness brewing dynasty to the McCartan clan of Kinelarty in rural Down, rather than, has been previously claimed, the high-born Magennis chieftains of Iveagh. Newspaper reports on the discovery - contained in a new biography, "Arthur's Round: The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness" - have been accompanied by such expressions as "ancestral pretensions," "an act of social climbing," and "humble background." For hundreds of years it has been assumed that brewery founder Arthur Guinness was a descendant of the Iveagh chieftains. Indeed, when he married in 1761 he engraved a silver cup with the armorial bearings of the Magennises - a lion, with the red hand of Ulster and a bear. DNA test carried out at Trinity College Dublin at the behest of the family show the male Y-chromosomes can, instead, be traced to the McCartan clan - and not the clan chiefs but, rather, their followers. Where the McCartans once lived is today the small hamlet of Guiness, a name derived from the Irish Gion Ais, meaning wedge-shaped ridge, thus explaining the roots of the surname. And, of course, as local researchers will tell you, there's a strong connection between the McCartans and the late French President Charles De Gaulle His great-grandmother was one Marie Angelique McCartan.

Hi Pete - I was just looking through these and I thought that if someone identified some of these buildings (such as those on table "Other information from form B1") with their current address I could photograph them when I am next in Newcastle (most likely in the summer). The photographs could then be linked from your webpage. Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter McGuinness Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:55 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Main Street Newcastle 1901 census complete. Pete, It looks like your work might have located a stray who returned: Daniel Devlin, lodging at No 144 could be the youngest brother of my great grandmother, Margaret Devlin. He disappears from the census records in Blaydon after 1881 (aged 8) so it is nice to find him again. If he married in Down, then it might be possible to confirm that this is the same person; his parents were Danial Devlin and Margaret Jane Simpson, both born in Down. Both he and his father spelled their names Danial in every record we have seen so far, which according to my sister, is unrelated to the hebrew name and is derived from Donal (or Domhnall, perhaps). Could you see if it is, in fact Danial in this appearance? Thanks, Peter Peter J Meaney wrote: > Hi all, after much struggling with a computer chip not designed for the sort > of multi-tasking required I have at last managed to get the whole of > Newcastle Main Street on line. This was a difficult one to transcribe but I > still have the original film for a few more weeks so if anyone has any > queries let me know and I'll double check. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm > > Best wishes, Pete. > > Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have now finished updating my Ellis Island County Down pages. I have included several more US states and there is now also a page for those who are recorded as being in transit to Canada. As always these can be reached via the 'latest updates' link on my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Or the entire site can be searched using the search engine (which has also been updated) on my home page. Please visit my 'guest book' page and let me know if you find the site useful. Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

____________________________________ From: DETTOREC To: NIR-DOWN-@rootsweb.com Sent: 1/6/2008 3:15:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Fwd: Posting Interests: MARTIN/ WARREN/HYDE/CONN ____________________________________ With the new year thought I would repost the names I am looking for in the Belfast area. MARTIN/WARREN/CONN/HYDE I have not been able to get back very far with any of the above names which is very frustrating! A question to the list; As a young boy during WWII my father was evacuated by train from Belfast to Lisbelow, County Fermaugh, and I am trying to find out if anyone there is any research, data, etc and possibly did the government keep track of these children that were evacuated? Cathie from Michigan ____________________________________ Start the year off right. _Easy ways to stay in shape_ (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489) in the new year. ____________________________________ Start the year off right. _Easy ways to stay in shape_ (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489) in the new year. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hi Pat Thanks for reply. I have noted many female KEENAN marriages in the area around Tullylish and the first names are repeated in my tree ..could never be sure that they were related as I only have the Scots records as 100% verification of Thomas, William, Arthur and their marriages in Gilford or Laurencetown one sister Ellen (who never married). I imagine that there will have been other siblings who did not emigrate to Scotland and any Mary, Sarah, Anne, Margaret, Elizabeth and Cecilia KEENAN could be related. Possibly sisters or cousins, as their names appear regularly in each subsequent generation here in Scotland. I have Bernard and Patrick and Henry KEENAN as a branch living beside my family in Johnstone, Scotland but have never been able to establish a connection to them, although they lived yards from each other here. Do you know if Bernard & Mary TOMAN nee KEENAN married on Tullylish? Was there a townland mentioned..Drummarin and Letalin often appear with KEENAN names, did they remain in Ireland or emigrate? Any info would be extremely helpful Thanks and a *guid *new year in 2008. *'Lang may yer lum reek'* Paul Scotland Message: 1 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:22:13 -0000 From: "patmol" <patriciamolyneux@btinternet.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000e01c84bb0$286fc500$4101a8c0@pat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Paul .When my grt uncle Bernard Toman married in 1858 he married a Mary Keenan and a Rose Keenan as witness .There was also a Patrick Keenan as Bernards witness and a reference to a dispensation of consanguinity perhaps because they were cousins.Best wishes for 2008 Pat Molyneux

I am looking for any info.on William LINDSAY m Mary McCRUDDEN & James LINDSAY m Bridget McCRUDDEN & Owen McCRUDDEN m Bridget (no maiden name). They were all born c1800 in Ireland and came to live in Scotland c1850's. I think that the parents of LINDSAY boys were William LINDSAY and Elizabeth HARRISON both c 1770 If you have any KEENAN married to LINDSAY & McCRUDDEN please let me know Any help appreciated Paul T KEENAN Giffnock Scotland

Chicago Tribune obit Feb 12 1971 PATRICK MCPOLIN, beloved Husband of Adele Meicher McPolin and the late MARY MCCAVITT MCPOLIN; loving father of the Very Right Rev Patrick J., CMF of Los Angeles Cal; John (Bernadine) McPolin; stepfather of Lorraine (Richard) Moravek and Robert (Marie) Shields; dear BROTHER of FELIX and LAWRENCE MCPOLIN; fond grandfather of 10 3 great grandchildren; Visitation at 7pm Thursday. Funeral Service Saturday 915am from Walter Quinlan Sons 2122 W 79th St to St Cajetan's church Mass 10 am Interment Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. Member Div No 241 CTA. Contributions Heart Fund NOTE: Mary McCavitt McPolin traveled to Ireland in 1923 with her two Chicago born young sons, Patrick 5 and John 4. They returned to Chicago via Ellis on May 13, 1923, to their home at 5245 So Carpenter St. Chgo.

Notes: This Rev Patrick McPolin parents, Patrick and Mary (? Margaret) McPolin were from Co Down. His father Patrick was from Cabra. Patrick Sr father was a street car conductor. He had at least two brothers, John and Francis. His father, Patrick McPolin was born 12 Jan 1892* and died in Chicago in Feb of 1971. His SSDI records gives 12 Jan 1892, his WWI draft reg gives 20 Feb 1892 He was working in the stock yards for Armour & Co in 1917. Emigrated 1911-1913. See post of obit : Frank McPolin Chicago 1969 There was another Patrick (Francis) McPolin registered for the draft in Chicago. He was born in 1884. He also worked for Armour and lived near the above Patrick McPolin. This second Patrick McP was living with his brother Owen McPolin in 1917. There is probably a connection between these families. x-Chicago priest recalls colorful life ; At 88, a former South Sider who now resides in California talks of growing up a bootlegger's son, mixing with mobsters and serving as police chaplain; [Chicago Final Edition] Oct 24 2004 The old Irish Catholic priest from the South Side is in his twilight years here, a former Chicago police chaplain who still carries a twinkle in his blue eyes and a wee bit of the brogue that his immigrant parents brought from the old sod. At 88, he's spinning yarns again of the good old days in Chicago, though he has been slowed a tad by his reliance on a wheelchair and neck brace for a vertebra broken in a recent tumble. His is a life lived full and, he promises, there is more to come. Silver-haired and full of jest, Rev. Patrick McPolin grew up a bootlegger's son near the stockyards, often smuggling 3 gallons of whiskey in a copper-lined suitcase. His father, a streetcar conductor and a partner in a speakeasy, distilled the moonshine in the family basement. Seminary student It's a colorful if incongruent prologue to what he eventually became, a Quigley Prep student who completed his training for the priesthood here at the Claretian order's now-defunct seminary on the historic Dominguez Rancho Adobe. The adobe, 11 miles south of downtown Los Angeles, is a site whose history dates to the Spanish exploration. A generation ago, McPolin helped restore the grounds and transform them into a museum. As a Chicago police chaplain for a total of 18 years during the 1940s, '50s and '60s, he calmed cops' tempers every time a gangster gunned down one of their brethren. Of the 42 officers slain on his watch, he personally gave last rites to 20 of them and then visited their widows. He also remembers the horrific Our Lady of the Angels school fire of 1958, when he helped families identify the remains of 92 children. He recalls how residue at the fire scene oiled his hands and stained the paper on which he kept notes. It's a much happier time now. After he left Chicago in 1965, he returned here, where he had taken some of the final steps toward his 1943 ordination, and became an administrator for the Claretian order. Since then, he has become known as an amateur historian, early aviation enthusiast, and preservationist who knows how to raise funds to restore a state and national landmark. "Mobsters and gangsters, I knew them all," he says of his Chicago days. "I was a tough kid when I was growing up. They didn't believe I was a priest. They said I knew too much. I've lived an interesting life." Never did his faith waver while he was a chaplain in what was then volunteer work. 'I was a priest' "I never took a hot fin and I never played footsie with people in prostitution. I wanted to be a priest and I was a priest. Our blessed Lord mixed with sinners, and why would I change the rules when He was the example," McPolin says. Live among sinners he did: mobsters, pimps, gamblers, card sharps, hustlers and, sadly, corrupt cops. He moved easily between the worlds of law and lawlessness because he knew how to keep confidences. When he visited Taylor Street mob joints as part of his ministerial travels and heard of plans to rob a bank, he turned a deaf ear. "They never did talk openly about wiping somebody out, but you could sense something was going," he said. He was mum on the admissions by corrupt cops too. Patrol officers collected payoffs for their bosses from mobsters running bookie joints or prostitution rings, he said. The mob paid a street cop as much as a $100 tip for making such a pickup, McPolin said. He advised the fallen to take a day off to avoid such work. "You need some penance," he would tell them. When he wasn't working his four-channel police radio, he was fulfilling his duties as Claretian priest. The order, founded in Spain, is noted for its work with Mexicans and other Spanish-speaking people in Chicago, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities. McPolin's blood may be Irish, but he says his soul is Mexican. "I could walk into any restaurant and say, 'Quien es el dueno? Tengo sed,'" he said. Translation: Who's the owner? I'm thirsty. "Not bad for an Irishman," he added. His Chicago assignments included Our Lady of Guadalupe Church in 1943-45 and 1950-52; St. Francis of Assissi 1945-50 and 1956-58; St. Jude Seminary in Momence, Ill., (where he was rector) 1952-56, and Immaculate Heart of Mary Church 1958-63. He was police chaplain in 1943-52 and 1956-1965. The parishes weren't far from the neighborhoods of his youth. He was born near Emerald Avenue and 44th Place. Baptized in St. Gabriel Church. His family then moved to 65th and Carpenter Streets. And then to 84th and Morgan Streets. A stroke three years ago has left him disoriented at times. He lives in a Little Sisters of the Poor residence in San Pedro, near the Rancho. But helping him negotiate the betrayals of aging is Betty Gemelli, 68, of Bellflower, Calif., a Taylor Street native who has been at the priest's side since 1967. Fading memories A protective caretaker and assistant who keeps the priest from overindulging, Gemelli met McPolin when she was 7 years old and working at a print shop on Roosevelt Road. After the priest's stroke, Gemelli started to write down McPolin's fading memories and this year self-published a book about McPolin's work at Dominguez Rancho Adobe, where he first arrived in 1939 and became fascinated with early California history. "Dominguez: The Legacy of Two Fathers" describes how McPolin devoted his later years to restoring the lush grounds and how the Dominguez family received a 1784 Spanish land grant, or rancho, of 118 square miles, now incorporated into 13 cities. The Dominguez family built the adobe in 1826 and gave the adobe and 17 acres to the Claretians in 1924. The seminary closed in 1974. McPolin still remembers getting the calling at age 5, affirmed the next year when his mother took him to her hometown in County Down, Ireland, where the locals asked "the wee Yank" what he wanted to make of his life. A priest, he told them. "Everything you learn is to be put to use helping people-- because there's another life," he said. "That caught me: There's another life."

Hi Nichola, Ancestors I am researching went to a school called Violet Hill Academy (Roman Catholic) during 1880's in Newry. This was an all boys boarding school. It is now called St. Colman's College. I haven't been able to find any school records but you could look at this website and it may be the school you are looking for. _http://www.stcolmans.org.uk/_ (http://www.stcolmans.org.uk/) Although it states "college" in its title, it is a grammar school. Also try: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Colman's_College,_Newry_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Colman's_College,_Newry) Muriel **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I will have another look next week and get back to you Regards Pete. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Peter McGuinness Sent: 05 January 2008 22:55 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Main Street Newcastle 1901 census complete. Pete, It looks like your work might have located a stray who returned: Daniel Devlin, lodging at No 144 could be the youngest brother of my great grandmother, Margaret Devlin. He disappears from the census records in Blaydon after 1881 (aged 8) so it is nice to find him again. If he married in Down, then it might be possible to confirm that this is the same person; his parents were Danial Devlin and Margaret Jane Simpson, both born in Down. Both he and his father spelled their names Danial in every record we have seen so far, which according to my sister, is unrelated to the hebrew name and is derived from Donal (or Domhnall, perhaps). Could you see if it is, in fact Danial in this appearance? Thanks, Peter Peter J Meaney wrote: > Hi all, after much struggling with a computer chip not designed for the sort > of multi-tasking required I have at last managed to get the whole of > Newcastle Main Street on line. This was a difficult one to transcribe but I > still have the original film for a few more weeks so if anyone has any > queries let me know and I'll double check. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm > > Best wishes, Pete. > > Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, after much struggling with a computer chip not designed for the sort of multi-tasking required I have at last managed to get the whole of Newcastle Main Street on line. This was a difficult one to transcribe but I still have the original film for a few more weeks so if anyone has any queries let me know and I'll double check. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Best wishes, Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

Brenda - Ulster Convenant 1912 signed by Eliza Jane Long, 31 Dunvegan Street (off Ravenhill Road), Belfast 1907 Street Directory, Mrs. Mary Hunsdale, 31 Dunvegan Street, Belfast. Does that help?? RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "bganderson" <b-g.anderson@sympatico.ca> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] [BELFAST] Looking for Advise >I have been looking for the HUNSDALE family for about the last 5 years. > There are not many of them - so I thought it would be easy to find. > HANS HUNSDALE has been a bit of a brickwall. I know he was born about > 1840, I have his marriage in 1861 and the birth of his 4 children all in > the Newtownards area. At some point this family moved to Belfast. I > have most of the family deaths and a kind person sent me their burial > information from the Belfast City Cemetery and he was not with them. I > have his wife's death and then his remarriage in 1885. When the > directories were on line at Proni I found him in several of the years as > a sea captain. > First question - how do I find out what he was a captain of - I have > no idea where to go to get this information. > > In the directories I found him at the following addresses > 1877 P 300 - 301 Hunsdale Hans Seaman 10 Wolfe Street > > 1880 P262-263 Hunsdale Hans Seaman 16 Rotterdam > Street > 1881 12 Wolfe Street Marriage of Annie > 1885 1 Wolfe Street Death of Wife Annie > 1887 P202-203 Hunsdale Hans Sailor 7 Garfield Terrace > 1889 31 Madrid Street Death of Agnes > 1890 P190-191 Hunsdale H. Sea Captain 31 Madrid Street > 1892 P350-351 Hunsdale H. Sea Captain 64 Paxton Street > 1892 P570-571 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 64 Paxton Street > 1894 64 Paxton Street Death of Hans= son > 1895 P552-553 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 4 Mount Street > 1896 P578-579 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 4 Mount Street > > He certainly moved around. I found one directory for a Mrs. H. > Hundsdale of Crawford Street in 1990 and she was a widow. I have no idea > where Crawford Street is. I realized I hadn't searched the deaths for > him in this time period and found one in 1898 - so this fit. When I > received the certificate this week I am unsure if it is the right person. > It is the right name - but the age is wrong and he is listed as a > Storekeeper. How do you go from a Sea Captain to a Storekeeper. I am > not sure if this means he owned the store or worked for someone else. > The only thing that makes me believe it is the right person is the > informant is an ELIZA JANE LONG - sister-in-law. This name is the same > as the witness on his second marriage, and Long is the maiden name of > his second wife - so she could have his age wrong. But it says he was > 44 and it should be 58. Could she be out that much. > Second question - does this sound like I have the right person. > I am sending this to the Down list as well as Belfast as you are always > so helpful. > Thanks > Brenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RosemaryJoan: Thanks for that information. It's just what I needed. I never thought to check the Ulster Covenant for confirmation of the addresses. This list is the greatest at solving roadblocks. Brenda Rosemary Joan McCormack wrote: >Brenda - Ulster Convenant 1912 signed by >Eliza Jane Long, 31 Dunvegan Street (off Ravenhill Road), Belfast >1907 Street Directory, Mrs. Mary Hunsdale, 31 Dunvegan Street, Belfast. >Does that help?? >RosemaryJoan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bganderson" <b-g.anderson@sympatico.ca> >To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:38 PM >Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] [BELFAST] Looking for Advise > > > > >>I have been looking for the HUNSDALE family for about the last 5 years. >>There are not many of them - so I thought it would be easy to find. >>HANS HUNSDALE has been a bit of a brickwall. I know he was born about >>1840, I have his marriage in 1861 and the birth of his 4 children all in >>the Newtownards area. At some point this family moved to Belfast. I >>have most of the family deaths and a kind person sent me their burial >>information from the Belfast City Cemetery and he was not with them. I >>have his wife's death and then his remarriage in 1885. When the >>directories were on line at Proni I found him in several of the years as >>a sea captain. >>First question - how do I find out what he was a captain of - I have >>no idea where to go to get this information. >> >>In the directories I found him at the following addresses >>1877 P 300 - 301 Hunsdale Hans Seaman 10 Wolfe Street >> >>1880 P262-263 Hunsdale Hans Seaman 16 Rotterdam >>Street >>1881 12 Wolfe Street Marriage of Annie >>1885 1 Wolfe Street Death of Wife Annie >>1887 P202-203 Hunsdale Hans Sailor 7 Garfield Terrace >>1889 31 Madrid Street Death of Agnes >>1890 P190-191 Hunsdale H. Sea Captain 31 Madrid Street >>1892 P350-351 Hunsdale H. Sea Captain 64 Paxton Street >>1892 P570-571 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 64 Paxton Street >>1894 64 Paxton Street Death of Hans= son >>1895 P552-553 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 4 Mount Street >>1896 P578-579 Hunsdale Hans Sea Captain 4 Mount Street >> >>He certainly moved around. I found one directory for a Mrs. H. >>Hundsdale of Crawford Street in 1990 and she was a widow. I have no idea >>where Crawford Street is. I realized I hadn't searched the deaths for >>him in this time period and found one in 1898 - so this fit. When I >>received the certificate this week I am unsure if it is the right person. >>It is the right name - but the age is wrong and he is listed as a >>Storekeeper. How do you go from a Sea Captain to a Storekeeper. I am >>not sure if this means he owned the store or worked for someone else. >>The only thing that makes me believe it is the right person is the >>informant is an ELIZA JANE LONG - sister-in-law. This name is the same >>as the witness on his second marriage, and Long is the maiden name of >>his second wife - so she could have his age wrong. But it says he was >>44 and it should be 58. Could she be out that much. >>Second question - does this sound like I have the right person. >>I am sending this to the Down list as well as Belfast as you are always >>so helpful. >>Thanks >>Brenda >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thank you Hugh, for those lookups and suggestions. I had also considered the naming traditions as well, and I will keep my eye out for any other suggestions or information that may come up. Pat

If documentation is missing you might guess that Alexander Orr McGowans eldest grandson would be named after him in the ususal way. The Tithe Aplotments for Ballykeel do not list any McGowans but several Orrs - James Orr and James Orr junior and Margaret Orr. James Orr McGowan does show up in Ballykeel in Griffith's and likely you have his gravestone information from his headstone in Moneyreagh Non-sub. Presb. There was a Rev.William Orr McGowan who was minister at the Unitarian (non-sub. Presb. church) in Greyabbey. Ballyhalbert is in Ballyhalbert Parish and not Comber. Tithe Aplotments from there would be worth a look as there is no Ballykeel listing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Bartos" <irishspring5@yahoo.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] MCGOWAN MCKITTRICK ORR > Hello Listers- > I am still trying to verify the names of the parents of my gr gr > grandfather, ALEXANDER ORR MCGOWAN. He was born in 1812, in either > Ballykeel or Ballyhalbert, Comber Parish, Co Down.. His biography states > that he was raised by his paternal grandfather, with his father being an > invalid for the past 13 yrs. No mention is made of his mother in the > biography. > > He was a teacher in the National School in 1833, at Tullygirven, (known > as ORR MCGOWAN there) and is listed on pg. 34 in the Comber Parish > chapter of the "Ordnance Survey of Ireland, Parishes of County Down II > 1832-4,1837, No. Down & the Ards." > > In 1843 he moved to Dunmurry, Co Antrim, along with his wife, (MARGARET > MCKITTRICK, daughter of ADAM MCKITRICK AND MARGARET ORR) who was the > first teacher for girls at the National School there as well. She was > also the Postmistress there. They emigrated with their 3 children to the > US in 1850, eventually settling in Warren Township, Wisconsin. > > In regards to this search, a kind researcher checked his database in the > "Ulster Pedigree-the Many Descendants of James Orr", and came up with a > possible match - David McGowan of Crossnacreevy and Eleanor Orr of > Ballykeel. Their children are listed as Mary, James, Alexander and > William. No dates are given here, but the area, family names and > townlands are right on. > > David McGowan is also listed as being "rebuked" by the Presbyterian Kirk > Session, no date or reason given. He and Eleanor were part of the > Moneyrea Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church. > > Another researcher told me that Eleanor is listed in an old area > newsletter obit, saying she was born in 1784 and died Nov 30th, 1844, at > the age of 60, and had been married to the late David McGowan of > Crossnacreevy. He evidently died before 1844 - and this time period of > the earlier death, matches the family biography time line. > > If anyone can help me dig further in my search, or give some suggestions, > it would greatly be appreciated! > > I will enclose a link to the family biography, written by his oldest son, > Robert James Orr McGowan. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/aomcgowan.html > > Thank you for taking the time to read this! > > Pat McGowan Bartos > patmcb56@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bobbie My Darrochs' married into my Robinson family as follows: Duncan Darroch married Letitia Robinson in September 1878 John Darroch married Mary Ann Robinson in October 1882 The father of Duncan and John was a Duncan and his occupation given that of a Shipsmith. John followed in his father's footsteps and was also a Shipsmith but Duncan became an Accountant. Birth certificates are only available from 1864 so I cannot go down this road for Duncan or John and it may be through church records at PRONI at some stage that I might gleam both parents of Duncan and John and any other siblings. Darroch/Darragh/Darrock was certainly not an unusual name and in my research for my own I also accumulated other documentation which proved not to be for my family. I have now had another look at this but none of the names you mention below occur in what I have accummulated. Wishing you good luck in your search. Yvonne Dublin -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bobbie Purdue Sent: 04 January 2008 17:56 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? Hi Yvonne and others! Could you DARROCH also be DARRAGH? My great-great-grandmother, Isabella DARRAGH (born 1839, Dromore, Co. Down, Ireland) died 1910 in Belfast, married John Maddock 21 Jan 1856 in Seapatrick, Co. Down, Ireland. She had brothers, Robert, Richard and James DARRAGH and a sister Jane DARRAGH who married Samuel Wilson in Shankill, Armagh, Ireland 20 Feb 1849 (and maybe other sisters). Isabella's father was John DARRAGH, a shuttle maker, born in Dromore about 1794. There was an "Uncle Robert DARRAGH" associated with my family still living in the Belfast area in the 1940s. Bobbie Purdue California -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Russell Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:44 AM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW/ SHANNON / DARROCH I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & DARROCH). My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. Yvonne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pete, It looks like your work might have located a stray who returned: Daniel Devlin, lodging at No 144 could be the youngest brother of my great grandmother, Margaret Devlin. He disappears from the census records in Blaydon after 1881 (aged 8) so it is nice to find him again. If he married in Down, then it might be possible to confirm that this is the same person; his parents were Danial Devlin and Margaret Jane Simpson, both born in Down. Both he and his father spelled their names Danial in every record we have seen so far, which according to my sister, is unrelated to the hebrew name and is derived from Donal (or Domhnall, perhaps). Could you see if it is, in fact Danial in this appearance? Thanks, Peter Peter J Meaney wrote: > Hi all, after much struggling with a computer chip not designed for the sort > of multi-tasking required I have at last managed to get the whole of > Newcastle Main Street on line. This was a difficult one to transcribe but I > still have the original film for a few more weeks so if anyone has any > queries let me know and I'll double check. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm > > Best wishes, Pete. > > Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Listers, Regarding the almost immediate baptism of infants. Because it was believed that to die unbaptised would leave you with the devil it was undertaken as soon as possible. The ultimate registered name may not always have been used at baptism; the devil was often called "Nick" hence "Nick Names" Cheers Peter in a warm 38C Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nir-down-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 4:33 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 Today's Topics: 1. baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 2. Re: Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry (Sarah Fernley) 3. FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH (Yvonne Russell) 4. Re: FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH (bganderson) 5. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (DLCulhane@cs.com) 6. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 7. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (conaught2) 8. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 9. Re: Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry (Hugh Macartney) 10. Historical Society in Portaferry or Library? (bzenke@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:17:13 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d3d.1e015c73.34af7dc9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day they were born. Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were usually a couple of weeks later. Just wondering. Carol ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:26:18 +0000 From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <477E25EA0200008C0001ABDA@gwia.ccm.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Hugh, Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her children's baptisms. Sarah Message: 3 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, in 1886 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > Hi, > > I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family > tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma Ellem > Reynolds > . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back many > generations of the English branches over the last year but have reached > a brick wall with the Irish connections. > My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North > West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were > Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile > trade in the North West. > I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be > able to point me in the right direction for further research. > > THANKYOU > > Sarah Fernley, > > Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, > Lancs > Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs > I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married couple > in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children all > born in Bolton > > > > Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown -ARMSTRONG > DACEY COFFIE HEALEY ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. ********************************** ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:44:17 -0000 From: "Yvonne Russell" <yvrussell@gmail.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001201c84ecf$8567d370$0201a8c0@LT01147> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & DARROCH). My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. Yvonne ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:00:41 -0500 From: bganderson <b-g.anderson@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <477E2DF9.5000108@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Yvonne: I have a James Robinson born about 1885 ? I wondered if you have this name in your family. He married a Jane/Jennie Anderson and I feel he probably worked in the shipyards as most of this family did. Brenda Yvonne Russell wrote: >I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer >1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & >DARROCH). > >My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. > >Yvonne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:27:40 EST From: DLCulhane@cs.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c10.2753f7bc.34af8e4c@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I think in times and places where infant mortality was high, same-day baptism was not unusual. Diane ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:11:59 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c16.2c8af2d8.34af98af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Diane Thats what i was thinking- maybe things were so bad they rountinely baptised their kids- just in case. Hard times. thanks carol ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:41:14 -0800 From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009a01c84ee8$3d7dc150$0a00a8c0@krisitc65c6b9> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, the priest was ususally called to baptize the child the same day or one day after the birth. Some people may find birth records which are dated after the baptismal date of the child and think they have the wrong person. Parents were required to register the birth of their child within a month of the birth. Sometimes it took up to several months for the parents to go to town and register the birth of their child. If the birth was not registered within a month, the parents were fined. Originally baptisms were performed on the same day or day after the birth because as was stated they were fearful of the child dying. Sadly if the baby died before being baptized the child was not allowed to be buried in a church cemetery which was blessed ground. These babies were buried outside of the cemetery walls. Recently throughout Ireland many of these graves have been blessed and stones have been placed to recognize the burial places of these babies. It must have been heartbreaking for parents who not only had to deal with the loss of their new born baby but then to be told their child could not have a funeral or be buried in the church cemetery. Beannachtai, Margaret (M?iread) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carolgriff@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 > Hi > > While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in > County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day > they were > born. > > Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were > usually a couple of weeks later. > > Just wondering. > > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:48:44 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c89.1f81c3b9.34afaf5c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Margaret Thanks for the detail provided. Its lovely to know that some of those little graves have nown been given the respect they deserved, and it certainly explains the haste to get babies baptised. Carol ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:30:36 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000801c84eef$22cb53c0$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Reynolds is a common name in Co. Down. See caora.net and the Ros Davies Co. Down web site. Your nearest branch of the Mormon library (Latter Day Saints) will have the International Genealogical Index and you could go through all the Reynolds listed. You could start with Ellen and try and find her parents and siblings. Registrations after 1846 will be available but earlier records can be difficult to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry > Hi Hugh, > > Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. > > Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her > Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. > > Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i > just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely > new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish > registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is > Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her > children's baptisms. > > Sarah > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 > From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, > in > 1886 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > > >> Hi, >> >> I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family >> tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma > Ellem >> Reynolds >> . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back > many >> generations of the English branches over the last year but have > reached >> a brick wall with the Irish connections. >> My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North >> West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were >> Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile >> trade in the North West. >> I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be >> able to point me in the right direction for further research. >> >> THANKYOU >> >> Sarah Fernley, >> >> Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, >> Lancs >> Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs >> I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married > couple >> in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children > all >> born in Bolton >> >> >> >> Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown > -ARMSTRONG >> DACEY COFFIE HEALEY > > ********************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any > views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of City College Manchester. > > If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have > received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, > printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > ********************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:31:44 -0500 From: bzenke@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Historical Society in Portaferry or Library? To: NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CA1D0ECF57EC51-9C0-118C@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy New Year Listers: We will be traveling to Ireland in late Feb and early March.?Will visit Portaferry and like to locate family information?or better yet, family!? Noted that the Tourist Information Office will be closed during that time and would like to make contact with someone who could provide information on where to go.? Surnames of interest: MCALPINE, GOWAN, PARKE, FINNEGAN, BLACKMORE Appreciate any suggestions that may be out there.? Thanks.?????? Beverly in Virginia. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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