I feel a little foolish asking this, but I can't pass up anything as important as a Bible to reasearchers! What's on Caora? I'm not familiar with a lot of the Irish sources. Thanks! Ruth Ann ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:18:48 PM Central Standard Time, Pssheila@aol.com writes: Thanks for checking Nan - I thought it was me!! I hope someone is going to put this right - Caora is like the a Bible to us researchers!! Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Thanks for checking Nan - I thought it was me!! I hope someone is going to put this right - Caora is like the a Bible to us researchers!! Sheila

Hello Listers Has anyone tried to get into Caora.net lately??? I keep getting a Spanish or South American site!! Where has Caora gone??? Sheila

Sheila, You are right. But I was on it just a few days ok. I hope this can be corrected. Maybe the domain ownership expired? Nan On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > Hello Listers > > Has anyone tried to get into Caora.net lately??? I keep getting a > Spanish or > South American site!! Where has Caora gone??? > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this suggestion Nan. I was until receiving your reply, unfamiliar with this site. Much appreciated Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Brennan" <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? > Lynn, > > Have you looked at Ros Davies County Down website? > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/D/Da.htm > > She has : Darragh, Darah Daragh and more on her "Surnames" page. > > Nan > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Lyn Whelan wrote: > >> I have Darroch's in my family. >> James Darroch s/o Mgt Carrick and James Darroch. >> James married Catherine (AKA Janet) Spence in Glasgow in 1868. We >> believe >> James may have been born in Ireland. Has anyone come across these >> names in >> their research. Janet Spence's parents were Thomas Spence and >> Isabella >> Sutherland (married in Scotland) >> Lyn (NZ) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Yvonne Russell" <yvrussell@gmail.com> >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? >> >> >>> Hi Bobbie >>> >>> My Darrochs' married into my Robinson family as follows: >>> >>> Duncan Darroch married Letitia Robinson in September 1878 >>> John Darroch married Mary Ann Robinson in October 1882 >>> >>> The father of Duncan and John was a Duncan and his occupation >>> given that >>> of >>> a Shipsmith. John followed in his father's footsteps and was also a >>> Shipsmith but Duncan became an Accountant. >>> >>> Birth certificates are only available from 1864 so I cannot go >>> down this >>> road for Duncan or John and it may be through church records at >>> PRONI at >>> some stage that I might gleam both parents of Duncan and John and any >>> other >>> siblings. >>> >>> Darroch/Darragh/Darrock was certainly not an unusual name and in my >>> research >>> for my own I also accumulated other documentation which proved not >>> to be >>> for >>> my family. I have now had another look at this but none of the >>> names you >>> mention below occur in what I have accummulated. >>> >>> Wishing you good luck in your search. >>> >>> Yvonne >>> Dublin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down- >>> bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Bobbie Purdue >>> Sent: 04 January 2008 17:56 >>> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? >>> >>> Hi Yvonne and others! >>> >>> Could you DARROCH also be DARRAGH? >>> >>> My great-great-grandmother, Isabella DARRAGH (born 1839, Dromore, Co. >>> Down, >>> Ireland) died 1910 in Belfast, married John Maddock 21 Jan 1856 in >>> Seapatrick, Co. Down, Ireland. >>> >>> She had brothers, Robert, Richard and James DARRAGH and a sister Jane >>> DARRAGH who married Samuel Wilson in Shankill, Armagh, Ireland 20 >>> Feb 1849 >>> (and maybe other sisters). >>> >>> Isabella's father was John DARRAGH, a shuttle maker, born in >>> Dromore about >>> 1794. >>> >>> There was an "Uncle Robert DARRAGH" associated with my family >>> still living >>> in the Belfast area in the 1940s. >>> >>> Bobbie Purdue >>> California >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down- >>> bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Yvonne Russell >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:44 AM >>> To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / >>> MORROW/ >>> SHANNON / DARROCH >>> >>> I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a >>> farmer >>> 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / >>> MORROW & >>> DARROCH). >>> >>> My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married >>> ROBINSONS. >>> >>> Yvonne >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Trying to track down what happened to my Husbands GG Grandfather Francis Magowan Parish/District: Loughaghry (Loughaghery) Date of Birth: 16. 03. 1862 Name: Francis Magowan Father's Name: James Magowan Mother's Name: Eliza McAuley Street: Loughaghry Presbyterian Town: Banbridge Francis MAGOWAN was born on 16 March 1862, the son of James MAGOWAN and Eliza McAULEY. Francis married Sarah Ann MORROW on 4 November 1885 at Saintfield 2nd Presbyterian Church, Saintfield, Co. Down, IRL Francis and Sarah Ann MAGOWAN had 3 children John Morrow MAGOWAN born 25 September 1889 Margaret (Maggie) Eliza MAGOWAN born 1894 Francis MAGOWAN born 12 January 1897 Francis Magowan Snr. Must have left for America sometime between 1896/1897 and 1901. By 1901 Census Sarah Ann MAGOWAN was on her own with the 3 children describes as Married Head of the Household, Farmer We have no record of what happened to him when he left for America - at least we assume this is where he went from information given by his grandson. Kind regards Kirstie Magowan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 7/01/2008 9:14 a.m.

I have Darroch's in my family. James Darroch s/o Mgt Carrick and James Darroch. James married Catherine (AKA Janet) Spence in Glasgow in 1868. We believe James may have been born in Ireland. Has anyone come across these names in their research. Janet Spence's parents were Thomas Spence and Isabella Sutherland (married in Scotland) Lyn (NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Russell" <yvrussell@gmail.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? > Hi Bobbie > > My Darrochs' married into my Robinson family as follows: > > Duncan Darroch married Letitia Robinson in September 1878 > John Darroch married Mary Ann Robinson in October 1882 > > The father of Duncan and John was a Duncan and his occupation given that > of > a Shipsmith. John followed in his father's footsteps and was also a > Shipsmith but Duncan became an Accountant. > > Birth certificates are only available from 1864 so I cannot go down this > road for Duncan or John and it may be through church records at PRONI at > some stage that I might gleam both parents of Duncan and John and any > other > siblings. > > Darroch/Darragh/Darrock was certainly not an unusual name and in my > research > for my own I also accumulated other documentation which proved not to be > for > my family. I have now had another look at this but none of the names you > mention below occur in what I have accummulated. > > Wishing you good luck in your search. > > Yvonne > Dublin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Bobbie Purdue > Sent: 04 January 2008 17:56 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? > > Hi Yvonne and others! > > Could you DARROCH also be DARRAGH? > > My great-great-grandmother, Isabella DARRAGH (born 1839, Dromore, Co. > Down, > Ireland) died 1910 in Belfast, married John Maddock 21 Jan 1856 in > Seapatrick, Co. Down, Ireland. > > She had brothers, Robert, Richard and James DARRAGH and a sister Jane > DARRAGH who married Samuel Wilson in Shankill, Armagh, Ireland 20 Feb 1849 > (and maybe other sisters). > > Isabella's father was John DARRAGH, a shuttle maker, born in Dromore about > 1794. > > There was an "Uncle Robert DARRAGH" associated with my family still living > in the Belfast area in the 1940s. > > Bobbie Purdue > California > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Yvonne Russell > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:44 AM > To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / > MORROW/ > SHANNON / DARROCH > > I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer > 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & > DARROCH). > > My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. > > Yvonne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you have the occupation of Sarah Ann MORROW'S father? The father of my MORROW (Robert) was a 'Heckle Maker'. Did another MORROW witness the marriage? Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kirstie Magowan Sent: 08 January 2008 05:52 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Francis Magowan b. County Down 1862 Hi all Trying to track down what happened to my Husbands GG Grandfather Francis Magowan Parish/District: Loughaghry (Loughaghery) Date of Birth: 16. 03. 1862 Name: Francis Magowan Father's Name: James Magowan Mother's Name: Eliza McAuley Street: Loughaghry Presbyterian Town: Banbridge Francis MAGOWAN was born on 16 March 1862, the son of James MAGOWAN and Eliza McAULEY. Francis married Sarah Ann MORROW on 4 November 1885 at Saintfield 2nd Presbyterian Church, Saintfield, Co. Down, IRL Francis and Sarah Ann MAGOWAN had 3 children John Morrow MAGOWAN born 25 September 1889 Margaret (Maggie) Eliza MAGOWAN born 1894 Francis MAGOWAN born 12 January 1897 Francis Magowan Snr. Must have left for America sometime between 1896/1897 and 1901. By 1901 Census Sarah Ann MAGOWAN was on her own with the 3 children describes as Married Head of the Household, Farmer We have no record of what happened to him when he left for America - at least we assume this is where he went from information given by his grandson. Kind regards Kirstie Magowan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 7/01/2008 9:14 a.m. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Opps sorry about this, its a very good web site and I meant to send it to my father only. Mike ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike McIlwaine <mike.mcilwaine@gmail.com> Date: Jan 8, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Very interesting Website for Northern Ireland To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Dad YOu might like to have a look around this website.* *I have put the link in to the first world war website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/rohpci.html so that you can go there direct. THere are a number of McIlwaines mentioned. Mike On 1/7/08, Judith and Graeme Collins <gcol6113@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > I came across the following web site and found it contains so many varied > research information including some Newspaper transcripts from Belfast > Newspapers. Also a great list of all Presbyterians who went to fight in > World War 1 and 2 . Belfast Directory listings also included. > > It is a great site and the site owner should be highly commended for her > fantastic effort. > > I noted a name we see often on NIR Down site Hugh McCartney has been > helping in this site as well. > > Have a look as there is a lot to browse covering Northern Ireland. > > www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm > > Good luck > > Judith > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Dad YOu might like to have a look around this website.* *I have put the link in to the first world war website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/rohpci.html so that you can go there direct. THere are a number of McIlwaines mentioned. Mike On 1/7/08, Judith and Graeme Collins <gcol6113@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > I came across the following web site and found it contains so many varied > research information including some Newspaper transcripts from Belfast > Newspapers. Also a great list of all Presbyterians who went to fight in > World War 1 and 2 . Belfast Directory listings also included. > > It is a great site and the site owner should be highly commended for her > fantastic effort. > > I noted a name we see often on NIR Down site Hugh McCartney has been > helping in this site as well. > > Have a look as there is a lot to browse covering Northern Ireland. > > www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm > > Good luck > > Judith > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kristie, There was a Frank Magowan, age 42, b Ire @1868 working as a farmhand in Ridgefield Township, Fairfield Co., Connecticut in 1910. He emigrated from Ireland about 1896. He was listed as single. He was one of three lodgers living with a ?Vergere Connell, age 19, male, single. The other lodgers were Stephen McLoughlin 43 and Stephanell Arcadio, 22. I don't see him in later US censes. Nan On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Kirstie Magowan wrote: > Hi all > > Trying to track down what happened to my Husbands GG Grandfather > Francis > Magowan > > Parish/District: Loughaghry (Loughaghery) > Date of Birth: 16. 03. 1862 > Name: Francis Magowan > Father's Name: James Magowan > Mother's Name: Eliza McAuley > Street: Loughaghry Presbyterian > Town: Banbridge > > Francis MAGOWAN was born on 16 March 1862, the son of James MAGOWAN > and > Eliza McAULEY. Francis married Sarah Ann MORROW on 4 November 1885 at > Saintfield 2nd Presbyterian Church, Saintfield, Co. Down, IRL > > Francis and Sarah Ann MAGOWAN had 3 children > John Morrow MAGOWAN born 25 September 1889 > Margaret (Maggie) Eliza MAGOWAN born 1894 > Francis MAGOWAN born 12 January 1897 > > Francis Magowan Snr. Must have left for America sometime between > 1896/1897 > and 1901. By 1901 Census Sarah Ann MAGOWAN was on her own with the 3 > children describes as Married Head of the Household, Farmer > > We have no record of what happened to him when he left for America > - at > least we assume this is where he went from information given by his > grandson. > > Kind regards > > Kirstie Magowan > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: > 7/01/2008 > 9:14 a.m. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

You're welcome, Bob! On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Bob Ryan wrote: > That was a great story. Thank you for sharing it. > > Bob Ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nan Brennan" <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> > To: <irish-in-chicago@rootsweb.com>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:59 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rev Patrick McPolin mother b Co Down > > >> Notes: This Rev Patrick McPolin parents, Patrick and Mary (? >> Margaret) McPolin were from Co Down. >> His father Patrick was from Cabra. >> >> Patrick Sr father was a street car conductor. He had at least two >> brothers, John and Francis. >> His father, Patrick McPolin was born 12 Jan 1892* and died in >> Chicago in Feb of 1971. >> His SSDI records gives 12 Jan 1892, his WWI draft reg gives 20 Feb >> 1892 >> He was working in the stock yards for Armour & Co in 1917. >> Emigrated 1911-1913. >> See post of obit : Frank McPolin Chicago 1969 >> >> There was another Patrick (Francis) McPolin registered for the draft >> in Chicago. He was born in 1884. >> He also worked for Armour and lived near the above Patrick McPolin. >> This second Patrick McP was >> living with his brother Owen McPolin in 1917. There is probably a >> connection between these families. >> >> >> >> >> x-Chicago priest recalls colorful life ; At 88, a former South Sider >> who now resides in California talks of growing up a bootlegger's son, >> mixing with mobsters and serving as police chaplain; [Chicago Final >> Edition] Oct 24 2004 >> The old Irish Catholic priest from the South Side is in his twilight >> years here, a former Chicago police chaplain who still carries a >> twinkle in his blue eyes and a wee bit of the brogue that his >> immigrant parents brought from the old sod. >> >> At 88, he's spinning yarns again of the good old days in Chicago, >> though he has been slowed a tad by his reliance on a wheelchair and >> neck brace for a vertebra broken in a recent tumble. >> >> His is a life lived full and, he promises, there is more to come. >> >> Silver-haired and full of jest, Rev. Patrick McPolin grew up a >> bootlegger's son near the stockyards, often smuggling 3 gallons of >> whiskey in a copper-lined suitcase. His father, a streetcar conductor >> and a partner in a speakeasy, distilled the moonshine in the family >> basement. >> >> Seminary student >> >> It's a colorful if incongruent prologue to what he eventually became, >> a Quigley Prep student who completed his training for the priesthood >> here at the Claretian order's now-defunct seminary on the historic >> Dominguez Rancho Adobe. The adobe, 11 miles south of downtown Los >> Angeles, is a site whose history dates to the Spanish exploration. A >> generation ago, McPolin helped restore the grounds and transform them >> into a museum. >> >> As a Chicago police chaplain for a total of 18 years during the >> 1940s, '50s and '60s, he calmed cops' tempers every time a gangster >> gunned down one of their brethren. Of the 42 officers slain on his >> watch, he personally gave last rites to 20 of them and then visited >> their widows. >> >> He also remembers the horrific Our Lady of the Angels school fire of >> 1958, when he helped families identify the remains of 92 children. He >> recalls how residue at the fire scene oiled his hands and stained the >> paper on which he kept notes. >> >> It's a much happier time now. After he left Chicago in 1965, he >> returned here, where he had taken some of the final steps toward his >> 1943 ordination, and became an administrator for the Claretian order. >> >> Since then, he has become known as an amateur historian, early >> aviation enthusiast, and preservationist who knows how to raise funds >> to restore a state and national landmark. >> >> "Mobsters and gangsters, I knew them all," he says of his Chicago >> days. "I was a tough kid when I was growing up. They didn't believe I >> was a priest. They said I knew too much. I've lived an interesting >> life." >> >> Never did his faith waver while he was a chaplain in what was then >> volunteer work. >> >> 'I was a priest' >> >> "I never took a hot fin and I never played footsie with people in >> prostitution. I wanted to be a priest and I was a priest. Our blessed >> Lord mixed with sinners, and why would I change the rules when He was >> the example," McPolin says. >> >> Live among sinners he did: mobsters, pimps, gamblers, card sharps, >> hustlers and, sadly, corrupt cops. >> >> He moved easily between the worlds of law and lawlessness because he >> knew how to keep confidences. >> >> When he visited Taylor Street mob joints as part of his ministerial >> travels and heard of plans to rob a bank, he turned a deaf ear. "They >> never did talk openly about wiping somebody out, but you could sense >> something was going," he said. >> >> He was mum on the admissions by corrupt cops too. >> >> Patrol officers collected payoffs for their bosses from mobsters >> running bookie joints or prostitution rings, he said. The mob paid a >> street cop as much as a $100 tip for making such a pickup, McPolin >> said. He advised the fallen to take a day off to avoid such work. >> "You need some penance," he would tell them. >> >> When he wasn't working his four-channel police radio, he was >> fulfilling his duties as Claretian priest. >> >> The order, founded in Spain, is noted for its work with Mexicans and >> other Spanish-speaking people in Chicago, Los Angeles and other U.S. >> cities. >> >> McPolin's blood may be Irish, but he says his soul is Mexican. >> >> "I could walk into any restaurant and say, 'Quien es el dueno? Tengo >> sed,'" he said. >> >> Translation: Who's the owner? I'm thirsty. >> >> "Not bad for an Irishman," he added. >> >> His Chicago assignments included Our Lady of Guadalupe Church in >> 1943-45 and 1950-52; St. Francis of Assissi 1945-50 and 1956-58; St. >> Jude Seminary in Momence, Ill., (where he was rector) 1952-56, and >> Immaculate Heart of Mary Church 1958-63. He was police chaplain in >> 1943-52 and 1956-1965. >> >> The parishes weren't far from the neighborhoods of his youth. He was >> born near Emerald Avenue and 44th Place. Baptized in St. Gabriel >> Church. His family then moved to 65th and Carpenter Streets. And then >> to 84th and Morgan Streets. >> >> A stroke three years ago has left him disoriented at times. He lives >> in a Little Sisters of the Poor residence in San Pedro, near the >> Rancho. >> >> But helping him negotiate the betrayals of aging is Betty Gemelli, >> 68, of Bellflower, Calif., a Taylor Street native who has been at the >> priest's side since 1967. >> >> Fading memories >> >> A protective caretaker and assistant who keeps the priest from >> overindulging, Gemelli met McPolin when she was 7 years old and >> working at a print shop on Roosevelt Road. >> >> After the priest's stroke, Gemelli started to write down McPolin's >> fading memories and this year self-published a book about McPolin's >> work at Dominguez Rancho Adobe, where he first arrived in 1939 and >> became fascinated with early California history. >> >> "Dominguez: The Legacy of Two Fathers" describes how McPolin devoted >> his later years to restoring the lush grounds and how the Dominguez >> family received a 1784 Spanish land grant, or rancho, of 118 square >> miles, now incorporated into 13 cities. >> >> The Dominguez family built the adobe in 1826 and gave the adobe and >> 17 acres to the Claretians in 1924. The seminary closed in 1974. >> >> McPolin still remembers getting the calling at age 5, affirmed the >> next year when his mother took him to her hometown in County Down, >> Ireland, where the locals asked "the wee Yank" what he wanted to make >> of his life. >> >> A priest, he told them. >> >> "Everything you learn is to be put to use helping people-- because >> there's another life," he said. "That caught me: There's another >> life." >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn, Have you looked at Ros Davies County Down website? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/D/Da.htm She has : Darragh, Darah Daragh and more on her "Surnames" page. Nan On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Lyn Whelan wrote: > I have Darroch's in my family. > James Darroch s/o Mgt Carrick and James Darroch. > James married Catherine (AKA Janet) Spence in Glasgow in 1868. We > believe > James may have been born in Ireland. Has anyone come across these > names in > their research. Janet Spence's parents were Thomas Spence and > Isabella > Sutherland (married in Scotland) > Lyn (NZ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yvonne Russell" <yvrussell@gmail.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:04 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? > > >> Hi Bobbie >> >> My Darrochs' married into my Robinson family as follows: >> >> Duncan Darroch married Letitia Robinson in September 1878 >> John Darroch married Mary Ann Robinson in October 1882 >> >> The father of Duncan and John was a Duncan and his occupation >> given that >> of >> a Shipsmith. John followed in his father's footsteps and was also a >> Shipsmith but Duncan became an Accountant. >> >> Birth certificates are only available from 1864 so I cannot go >> down this >> road for Duncan or John and it may be through church records at >> PRONI at >> some stage that I might gleam both parents of Duncan and John and any >> other >> siblings. >> >> Darroch/Darragh/Darrock was certainly not an unusual name and in my >> research >> for my own I also accumulated other documentation which proved not >> to be >> for >> my family. I have now had another look at this but none of the >> names you >> mention below occur in what I have accummulated. >> >> Wishing you good luck in your search. >> >> Yvonne >> Dublin >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Bobbie Purdue >> Sent: 04 January 2008 17:56 >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] - DARROCH - DARRAGH? >> >> Hi Yvonne and others! >> >> Could you DARROCH also be DARRAGH? >> >> My great-great-grandmother, Isabella DARRAGH (born 1839, Dromore, Co. >> Down, >> Ireland) died 1910 in Belfast, married John Maddock 21 Jan 1856 in >> Seapatrick, Co. Down, Ireland. >> >> She had brothers, Robert, Richard and James DARRAGH and a sister Jane >> DARRAGH who married Samuel Wilson in Shankill, Armagh, Ireland 20 >> Feb 1849 >> (and maybe other sisters). >> >> Isabella's father was John DARRAGH, a shuttle maker, born in >> Dromore about >> 1794. >> >> There was an "Uncle Robert DARRAGH" associated with my family >> still living >> in the Belfast area in the 1940s. >> >> Bobbie Purdue >> California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Yvonne Russell >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:44 AM >> To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / >> MORROW/ >> SHANNON / DARROCH >> >> I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a >> farmer >> 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / >> MORROW & >> DARROCH). >> >> My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married >> ROBINSONS. >> >> Yvonne >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I found your Grants using Moore's One-step. I was able to view both manifests. 1903 entries are difficult to read though. I've attached my interpretation for a second opinion. Pete. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Irishcolleen45@aol.com Sent: 07 January 2008 16:01 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ellis Island County Down Strays update. Pete, Thank you for all your work. I know it's very time consuming. I see that you missed my grandparents, John and Rose Grant, who arrived Aug 1, 1906 on the Astoria at Ellis Island. Actually you missed my grandfather twice. The first time he arrived was on the Astoria Oct 26, 1903 with his nephew also named John Grant (his sister married a Grant). Both times he went to Pittsburgh PA. I also see that Ellis Island website still hasn't corrected the link to my grandfather's arrival in 1903. The ship manifest link is to another ship that came Oct 10, 1903. I have repeatedly notified the website since website when up and still no correction. I don't need the info since I already have a copy the ship manifest but for others looking it can be frustrating. Using Steve Morse's website linked my grandfather's info to the same incorrect info as Ellis Island. Thanks again for all your work. It is very much appreciated. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald GRANT/MCMANUS/MORGAN/WOODS Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands in County Down In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:03:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com_ (mailto:peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com) writes: I have now finished updating my Ellis Island County Down pages. I have included several more US states and there is now also a page for those who are recorded as being in transit to Canada. As always these can be reached via the 'latest updates' link on my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Or the entire site can be searched using the search engine (which has also been updated) on my home page. Please visit my 'guest book' page and let me know if you find the site useful. Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I came across the following web site and found it contains so many varied research information including some Newspaper transcripts from Belfast Newspapers. Also a great list of all Presbyterians who went to fight in World War 1 and 2 . Belfast Directory listings also included. It is a great site and the site owner should be highly commended for her fantastic effort. I noted a name we see often on NIR Down site Hugh McCartney has been helping in this site as well. Have a look as there is a lot to browse covering Northern Ireland. www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm Good luck Judith

Nora, thank you for your response to my latest Ellis Island update. I will look up your grandparents and include them on my next update. It takes so long to update all my Ellis Island pages that its only worth doing so when I have captured several hundred new names so now I'm searching for my next 1000 records! Regards Pete. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Irishcolleen45@aol.com Sent: 07 January 2008 16:01 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ellis Island County Down Strays update. Pete, Thank you for all your work. I know it's very time consuming. I see that you missed my grandparents, John and Rose Grant, who arrived Aug 1, 1906 on the Astoria at Ellis Island. Actually you missed my grandfather twice. The first time he arrived was on the Astoria Oct 26, 1903 with his nephew also named John Grant (his sister married a Grant). Both times he went to Pittsburgh PA. I also see that Ellis Island website still hasn't corrected the link to my grandfather's arrival in 1903. The ship manifest link is to another ship that came Oct 10, 1903. I have repeatedly notified the website since website when up and still no correction. I don't need the info since I already have a copy the ship manifest but for others looking it can be frustrating. Using Steve Morse's website linked my grandfather's info to the same incorrect info as Ellis Island. Thanks again for all your work. It is very much appreciated. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald GRANT/MCMANUS/MORGAN/WOODS Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands in County Down In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:03:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com_ (mailto:peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com) writes: I have now finished updating my Ellis Island County Down pages. I have included several more US states and there is now also a page for those who are recorded as being in transit to Canada. As always these can be reached via the 'latest updates' link on my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm Or the entire site can be searched using the search engine (which has also been updated) on my home page. Please visit my 'guest book' page and let me know if you find the site useful. Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MISTRANSCRIPTION AT ANCESTRY: Name: John Quinn Arrival Date: 14 Oct 1915 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Age: 50 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Irish Ship Name: St Louis Port of Arrival: New York, New York Nativity: Ireland Line: 19 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_2436 Birth Location: Ireland Birth Location Other: co town Page Number: 93 Travelling to Butte Montana - to nephew Joe Maginn http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7488&iid=NYT715_2436-0 174&fn=John&ln=Quinn&st=r&ssrc=&pid=4038235028 DEPORTED!!! Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ ============

Thanks Hugh......I should clarify....this was from the "Man About Town" at the Mourne Observer...I didn't write it. Perhaps you should send your piece to the MO in response to the MAT. I have his email address if you need it. CHEERS!!!!!! Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:35 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] GUINNESS and the McCartan clan of Kinelarty There is another explanation for the name MacGuinness and that is it derives from the Irish MacAonghasa from the personal name Aongas (Angus) made up of aon (one) and gus (choice). It is said to be the name of a famous Pictish king of Scotland, supposedly the son of the Irish God Daghda and Boinn, the goddess who gave her name to the River Boyne. My Irish is a bit rusty but I don't recognise Gion Ais. A ridge in Irish is drum/drom drimm. The MacGuinnesses displaced the O'Haugheys in the 12th. C. and ruled over the region until the 17th.C. Kinelarty derives from Cinel Arty (territory of the (Mac) Artans who with the Macgennis clan shared the territory. Artan is said to come from the Celtic or perhaps Pictish word "art/artois" meaning bear. The Macartneys of Scotland and later Ulster likely were originally MacArtans to went to Scotland as raiders or settlers and stayed there, the name gradually changing to McCartney/Macartney and variant spellings. The distance from the County Down coast to Scotland is only around 20 miles - an easy day's sail. The idea that the Mac/McArtneys were derived from the McCarthys of Munster is very unlikely to be true. The Guinness crest I have seen has a lion and a red hand but no bear. Many thanks Fiona for an interesting story and I'll drink a creamy pint to Arthur not caring if he was entitled to his crest or no. A large number of crests and coats of arms are purely fictional creations of the Victorian and earlier eras anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiona Jones" <mourneminers@optonline.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] GUINNESS and the McCartan clan of Kinelarty > Story below from the Man About Town (Mourne Observer Newspaper) > http://www.mourneobserver.com/Man%20about%20town.htm > > Fiona. > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ > > ============ > > Guinness and the Guiness connection > > IT seems DNA research has now linked the great Guinness brewing dynasty to > the McCartan clan of Kinelarty in rural Down, rather than, has been > previously claimed, the high-born Magennis chieftains of Iveagh. > Newspaper reports on the discovery - contained in a new biography, > "Arthur's > Round: The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness" - have been > accompanied by such expressions as "ancestral pretensions," "an act of > social climbing," and "humble background." > For hundreds of years it has been assumed that brewery founder Arthur > Guinness was a descendant of the Iveagh chieftains. Indeed, when he > married > in 1761 he engraved a silver cup with the armorial bearings of the > Magennises - a lion, with the red hand of Ulster and a bear. > DNA test carried out at Trinity College Dublin at the behest of the family > show the male Y-chromosomes can, instead, be traced to the McCartan clan - > and not the clan chiefs but, rather, their followers. > Where the McCartans once lived is today the small hamlet of Guiness, a > name > derived from the Irish Gion Ais, meaning wedge-shaped ridge, thus > explaining > the roots of the surname. > And, of course, as local researchers will tell you, there's a strong > connection between the McCartans and the late French President Charles De > Gaulle His great-grandmother was one Marie Angelique McCartan. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was a great story. Thank you for sharing it. Bob Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Brennan" <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> To: <irish-in-chicago@rootsweb.com>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rev Patrick McPolin mother b Co Down > Notes: This Rev Patrick McPolin parents, Patrick and Mary (? > Margaret) McPolin were from Co Down. > His father Patrick was from Cabra. > > Patrick Sr father was a street car conductor. He had at least two > brothers, John and Francis. > His father, Patrick McPolin was born 12 Jan 1892* and died in > Chicago in Feb of 1971. > His SSDI records gives 12 Jan 1892, his WWI draft reg gives 20 Feb > 1892 > He was working in the stock yards for Armour & Co in 1917. > Emigrated 1911-1913. > See post of obit : Frank McPolin Chicago 1969 > > There was another Patrick (Francis) McPolin registered for the draft > in Chicago. He was born in 1884. > He also worked for Armour and lived near the above Patrick McPolin. > This second Patrick McP was > living with his brother Owen McPolin in 1917. There is probably a > connection between these families. > > > > > x-Chicago priest recalls colorful life ; At 88, a former South Sider > who now resides in California talks of growing up a bootlegger's son, > mixing with mobsters and serving as police chaplain; [Chicago Final > Edition] Oct 24 2004 > The old Irish Catholic priest from the South Side is in his twilight > years here, a former Chicago police chaplain who still carries a > twinkle in his blue eyes and a wee bit of the brogue that his > immigrant parents brought from the old sod. > > At 88, he's spinning yarns again of the good old days in Chicago, > though he has been slowed a tad by his reliance on a wheelchair and > neck brace for a vertebra broken in a recent tumble. > > His is a life lived full and, he promises, there is more to come. > > Silver-haired and full of jest, Rev. Patrick McPolin grew up a > bootlegger's son near the stockyards, often smuggling 3 gallons of > whiskey in a copper-lined suitcase. His father, a streetcar conductor > and a partner in a speakeasy, distilled the moonshine in the family > basement. > > Seminary student > > It's a colorful if incongruent prologue to what he eventually became, > a Quigley Prep student who completed his training for the priesthood > here at the Claretian order's now-defunct seminary on the historic > Dominguez Rancho Adobe. The adobe, 11 miles south of downtown Los > Angeles, is a site whose history dates to the Spanish exploration. A > generation ago, McPolin helped restore the grounds and transform them > into a museum. > > As a Chicago police chaplain for a total of 18 years during the > 1940s, '50s and '60s, he calmed cops' tempers every time a gangster > gunned down one of their brethren. Of the 42 officers slain on his > watch, he personally gave last rites to 20 of them and then visited > their widows. > > He also remembers the horrific Our Lady of the Angels school fire of > 1958, when he helped families identify the remains of 92 children. He > recalls how residue at the fire scene oiled his hands and stained the > paper on which he kept notes. > > It's a much happier time now. After he left Chicago in 1965, he > returned here, where he had taken some of the final steps toward his > 1943 ordination, and became an administrator for the Claretian order. > > Since then, he has become known as an amateur historian, early > aviation enthusiast, and preservationist who knows how to raise funds > to restore a state and national landmark. > > "Mobsters and gangsters, I knew them all," he says of his Chicago > days. "I was a tough kid when I was growing up. They didn't believe I > was a priest. They said I knew too much. I've lived an interesting > life." > > Never did his faith waver while he was a chaplain in what was then > volunteer work. > > 'I was a priest' > > "I never took a hot fin and I never played footsie with people in > prostitution. I wanted to be a priest and I was a priest. Our blessed > Lord mixed with sinners, and why would I change the rules when He was > the example," McPolin says. > > Live among sinners he did: mobsters, pimps, gamblers, card sharps, > hustlers and, sadly, corrupt cops. > > He moved easily between the worlds of law and lawlessness because he > knew how to keep confidences. > > When he visited Taylor Street mob joints as part of his ministerial > travels and heard of plans to rob a bank, he turned a deaf ear. "They > never did talk openly about wiping somebody out, but you could sense > something was going," he said. > > He was mum on the admissions by corrupt cops too. > > Patrol officers collected payoffs for their bosses from mobsters > running bookie joints or prostitution rings, he said. The mob paid a > street cop as much as a $100 tip for making such a pickup, McPolin > said. He advised the fallen to take a day off to avoid such work. > "You need some penance," he would tell them. > > When he wasn't working his four-channel police radio, he was > fulfilling his duties as Claretian priest. > > The order, founded in Spain, is noted for its work with Mexicans and > other Spanish-speaking people in Chicago, Los Angeles and other U.S. > cities. > > McPolin's blood may be Irish, but he says his soul is Mexican. > > "I could walk into any restaurant and say, 'Quien es el dueno? Tengo > sed,'" he said. > > Translation: Who's the owner? I'm thirsty. > > "Not bad for an Irishman," he added. > > His Chicago assignments included Our Lady of Guadalupe Church in > 1943-45 and 1950-52; St. Francis of Assissi 1945-50 and 1956-58; St. > Jude Seminary in Momence, Ill., (where he was rector) 1952-56, and > Immaculate Heart of Mary Church 1958-63. He was police chaplain in > 1943-52 and 1956-1965. > > The parishes weren't far from the neighborhoods of his youth. He was > born near Emerald Avenue and 44th Place. Baptized in St. Gabriel > Church. His family then moved to 65th and Carpenter Streets. And then > to 84th and Morgan Streets. > > A stroke three years ago has left him disoriented at times. He lives > in a Little Sisters of the Poor residence in San Pedro, near the Rancho. > > But helping him negotiate the betrayals of aging is Betty Gemelli, > 68, of Bellflower, Calif., a Taylor Street native who has been at the > priest's side since 1967. > > Fading memories > > A protective caretaker and assistant who keeps the priest from > overindulging, Gemelli met McPolin when she was 7 years old and > working at a print shop on Roosevelt Road. > > After the priest's stroke, Gemelli started to write down McPolin's > fading memories and this year self-published a book about McPolin's > work at Dominguez Rancho Adobe, where he first arrived in 1939 and > became fascinated with early California history. > > "Dominguez: The Legacy of Two Fathers" describes how McPolin devoted > his later years to restoring the lush grounds and how the Dominguez > family received a 1784 Spanish land grant, or rancho, of 118 square > miles, now incorporated into 13 cities. > > The Dominguez family built the adobe in 1826 and gave the adobe and > 17 acres to the Claretians in 1924. The seminary closed in 1974. > > McPolin still remembers getting the calling at age 5, affirmed the > next year when his mother took him to her hometown in County Down, > Ireland, where the locals asked "the wee Yank" what he wanted to make > of his life. > > A priest, he told them. > > "Everything you learn is to be put to use helping people-- because > there's another life," he said. "That caught me: There's another life." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is another explanation for the name MacGuinness and that is it derives from the Irish MacAonghasa from the personal name Aongas (Angus) made up of aon (one) and gus (choice). It is said to be the name of a famous Pictish king of Scotland, supposedly the son of the Irish God Daghda and Boinn, the goddess who gave her name to the River Boyne. My Irish is a bit rusty but I don't recognise Gion Ais. A ridge in Irish is drum/drom drimm. The MacGuinnesses displaced the O'Haugheys in the 12th. C. and ruled over the region until the 17th.C. Kinelarty derives from Cinel Arty (territory of the (Mac) Artans who with the Macgennis clan shared the territory. Artan is said to come from the Celtic or perhaps Pictish word "art/artois" meaning bear. The Macartneys of Scotland and later Ulster likely were originally MacArtans to went to Scotland as raiders or settlers and stayed there, the name gradually changing to McCartney/Macartney and variant spellings. The distance from the County Down coast to Scotland is only around 20 miles - an easy day's sail. The idea that the Mac/McArtneys were derived from the McCarthys of Munster is very unlikely to be true. The Guinness crest I have seen has a lion and a red hand but no bear. Many thanks Fiona for an interesting story and I'll drink a creamy pint to Arthur not caring if he was entitled to his crest or no. A large number of crests and coats of arms are purely fictional creations of the Victorian and earlier eras anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiona Jones" <mourneminers@optonline.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] GUINNESS and the McCartan clan of Kinelarty > Story below from the Man About Town (Mourne Observer Newspaper) > http://www.mourneobserver.com/Man%20about%20town.htm > > Fiona. > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ > > ============ > > Guinness and the Guiness connection > > IT seems DNA research has now linked the great Guinness brewing dynasty to > the McCartan clan of Kinelarty in rural Down, rather than, has been > previously claimed, the high-born Magennis chieftains of Iveagh. > Newspaper reports on the discovery - contained in a new biography, > "Arthur's > Round: The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness" - have been > accompanied by such expressions as "ancestral pretensions," "an act of > social climbing," and "humble background." > For hundreds of years it has been assumed that brewery founder Arthur > Guinness was a descendant of the Iveagh chieftains. Indeed, when he > married > in 1761 he engraved a silver cup with the armorial bearings of the > Magennises - a lion, with the red hand of Ulster and a bear. > DNA test carried out at Trinity College Dublin at the behest of the family > show the male Y-chromosomes can, instead, be traced to the McCartan clan - > and not the clan chiefs but, rather, their followers. > Where the McCartans once lived is today the small hamlet of Guiness, a > name > derived from the Irish Gion Ais, meaning wedge-shaped ridge, thus > explaining > the roots of the surname. > And, of course, as local researchers will tell you, there's a strong > connection between the McCartans and the late French President Charles De > Gaulle His great-grandmother was one Marie Angelique McCartan. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message