Hi Linda I have been waiting for lady looking for Burnsides to come up again. I recently received a photo copy of a page from the Presbyterian Book for Aughnacloy in County Tyrone. It is baptisms from Jan 1863 to Mar 1865 on this is a George James son of ? ( this could be Rev) John Burnside and Jane Crawley Aughnacloy born Dec 17th 1864 bapt Mar 5th 1865 by Samuel D Burnside The only one on the sheet baptized by other than Rev McElwaine Might be worth tucking away Patricia New Zealand

I'd like to say a big thank you to all who replied! Even though there doesn't seem to be anything in the way of records, the lady I was asking on behalf of is most pleased with the responses! I'm sure her answer will be out there somewhere, perhaps in someone's personal data. In the meantime, if anyone spots anything that might be of interest, I'd be very grateful to hear of it and I'm sure, so will she. So glad I'm subscribed to all the BEST lists! Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ocollaugh@comcast.net Sent: 20 January 2008 06:42 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Children 'sent away' during WWII Nazis couldn't hit a barn if they were inside of it. don -------------- Original message -------------- From: Juditoh@aol.com > Regarding the comment by Mr McAllister about Irish neutrality. That did not > include Northern Ireland and I know that Belfast harbor had large ship yards. > I would think it would be seen as a potential target. The rest of Ireland was > neutral. > > > In a message dated 1/19/2008 3:21:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mcallisterfamily@btopenworld.com writes: > > Hi all, this sort of thing happened in England from many of the main areas > when the Germans were bombing strategic targets. > My father-in-law was sent from Birmingham, he lived near to the Dunlop > factory, out to the wilds of Derbyshire. My mother's family were sent from > south-east London up to Yorkshire, a trip of several hours by train, most of > them went back many years later and settled there too. > Rather than the phrase 'children sent away', the term 'evacuee' was deemed a > suitable description of these children, many of whom were also evacuated to > Canada, but some of these were home children, already orphans. Many were > killed also after the ships they were traveling on were sunk. > It is only reccently I have found out that there were bombings that had > taken place in Ireland too! > I thought the IRish were neutral during WW2! > Regards, Michael McAllister >

sorry Judith, my McKees came across the water to Barrow in Furness England around the late 1880's and stopped here. Peter

_http://www.192.com/_ (http://www.192.com/) May be helpful if phone directory doesn't help. In a message dated 1/20/2008 12:50:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Ktsc100@aol.com writes: Hello, I would like to find a phone number for a family in County Down, Northern Ireland. I have not been able to find an on-line directory for that area. Does anyone know how I can find one to look up the number? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

It's good to hear that your new PC can access the site! Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> * Cemeteries of New Zealand - Map, List and Web-links * Parishes of Northern Ireland - Map * Our Family History Linda Holley wrote: > I found all three with no problem. Your website is incredible! Thank you! Now, I just hope with all the tidbits I have gathered, I find my Burnsides there. > > Linda > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Murray Lynn <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> > >> There are three Seacon Townlands in Antrim - Beg, More and Lower largely >> between Seacon Road and the A26, with Fort Town to the NE, all in >> Ballymoney Parish. Seacon Lower and Seaconmore extend into Londonderry. >> >> I've added them to the map. >> >> To find Seacon Road, search for "Seacon Road, UK" (it is just north of >> the A26 as Mike says). >> >> BTW, to search for place names select "Map" as the search type. Exact, >> Soundex and Partial options are for searching for Admin district. >> >> Note that in Antrim, all Townlands are in the database, even though only >> a few are mapped. Also note that you can click on a district's Icon to >> open it's info window and then on "Click here for More Information" to >> get list of all of the Admin Districts it is in and all sub Districts in it. >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Murray >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> >> >> * Cemeteries of New Zealand - Map, List and Web-links >> * Parishes of Northern Ireland - Map >> * Our Family History >> >> >> >> Mike Boyd wrote: >> >>> Linda >>> Secon would appear to be on the north side of the A26 Road - the main road >>> between Ballymoney and Coleraine - about 8 kms form Ballymoney. From my >>> 1:50,000 map it appear to be right on the Londonderry/Antrim border as it >>> crosses the A26. >>> >>> While Forttown appear to be on the west side of the B62 Road - between >>> Ballymoney and Portrush - about 7 kms form Ballymoney. It seems to run in a >>> SW direction and appear to adjoin Secon to its SW >>> >>> There is an Secon filling station (gas station for the USA) on the A26 road >>> about 1 km inside the boundary with Londonderry. >>> >>> Sorry I can't give you a web site map. >>> >>> Mike Boyd >>> Brisbane >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Linda Holley" <ljholley@comcast.net> >>> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:54 PM >>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Secon and Forttown >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have received info in the last few days that some Burnsides of Secon >>>> married into the Moore family. Also that they married into the Boyd family >>>> in Forttown. >>>> >>>> I know I need a better map of Co. Antrim but seem unable to find one - I >>>> do have an Ordnance Survey map but it is a touring map. Can anyone please >>>> tell me where these two areas are located or where I may download a map? >>>> >>>> Thank You, Linda >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've had success with http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/residential/search .publisha -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ktsc100@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:49 PM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Phone number in County Down Hello, I would like to find a phone number for a family in County Down, Northern Ireland. I have not been able to find an on-line directory for that area. Does anyone know how I can find one to look up the number? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I would like to find a phone number for a family in County Down, Northern Ireland. I have not been able to find an on-line directory for that area. Does anyone know how I can find one to look up the number? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Thanks for the book suggestion. I'll try to get it. I have a cousin born in England at the end of WWII who was sent to Australia along with his brothers, as orphans. When a law change allowed him access to his records, he found out that his parents had not died until much later when he would have been able to meet them had he known. I guess it was his parents economic conditions during and after the war that led to the circumstances. Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Whelan" <johnwhelan@xtra.co.nz> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Children 'sent away' during WWII > As a child, my former mother-in-law lived in Glasgow. She was evacuated > to > Blair Athol during the war. She did return to her family home afterwards. > > It appears this did not just happen in time of war and often the move was > more permanent. I have a book by Margaret Humphreys (1997) called Empty > Cradles. (Corgi Books, London). This book is about an estimated 150,00 > children who were "deported from children's homes in Britain and shipped > off > to a "new life" in distant parts of the Empire" - the last as recent as > 1967. Many children were told their parents were deceased. > > Margaret Humphreys was a Nottingham social worker. She investigated the > case of a woman who claimed that at the age of 4, she had been put on a > boat > to Australia by the British government. > > This is well worth a read for those interested such a topic. Warning > though - some of the content could be considered sensitive - it is an > emotional account of life for these children.

If someone has access to the gravestone inscriptions or death records for the Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church and/or the Killinchy Presbyterian Church, County Down, could you please do a look up for any MARSHALL and/or David GIBSON and his family. Thanks so much.

The Killinchy Alexanders were mostly living at Carrickmannon, Raffrey and Drumreagh and the Ros Davies web site will contain many details. I think most were buried in the Ballygowan Presbyterian Graveyard. One family lived in Carrickmannon House. The Killinch Presb. Graveyard has: HAMILTON (Railed enclosure with KIRK stone and modern Hamilton stones) Erected by George Hamilton of Raffery who d. Feb.12 1812 aged 55. Also his wife Margaret COUSSE alias Hamilton who d. Aug. 15 1803 aged 36. Also his son George aged 2. Also John Hamilton who d. Jan.23 1846 aged 52. Also two children who died young. John Stewart d. Jan 1865 aged 52. Mary Hamilton d. May 29 1873 aged 66. KIRK In Hamilton enclosure 1811. Erected by John Kirk of Barnamaghery who d. May 1 1826 aged 85. Also his wife Jane Kirk alias HAMILTON who d. Ap. 26 1826 aged 72. (The Kirks I believe were originally from Raffery) No Alexanders or Hamiltons listed in Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presb. Graveyard. If there are any present day descendants they might be listed in the N.ireland Directory at bt.com Killinchy likely listed under Comber or Newtownards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel McPhee" <nandr@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] gravestone inscriptions or death records fortheKillinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church and/or theKillinchy Presbyterian Church (Co Down) >I also have an interest in this area, I am looking for surnames HAMILTON >and > ALEXANDER in Killinchy and surrounding areas from around 1800 - 1850, I > know > it's a big timescale but am stuck at a great big brickwall and any > information would be a start. Many thanks in advance. > > Rachel McPhee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Jones" <kin-hunter25@cox.net> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:29 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] gravestone inscriptions or death records for > theKillinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church and/or theKillinchy > Presbyterian Church (Co Down) > > >> If someone has access to the gravestone inscriptions or death records for >> the Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church and/or the Killinchy >> Presbyterian Church, County Down, could you please do a look up for any >> MARSHALL and/or David GIBSON and his family. Thanks so much. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the information. My Burnsides immigrated in 1817 but the names are surely the same - John, James, and Samuel. I am almost positive that there is some connection to my Burnsides who are from Antrim and Down and the Burnsides in Tyrone but I am unsure just how to approach the puzzle. I will put your email with the other material I am taking with me to N. Ireland in July. Thank you again, Linda -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Patricia Moosman <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> > Hi Linda > I have been waiting for lady looking for Burnsides to come up again. > I recently received a photo copy of a page from the Presbyterian Book for > Aughnacloy in County Tyrone. It is baptisms from Jan 1863 to Mar 1865 on > this is a George James son of ? ( this could be Rev) John Burnside and > Jane Crawley Aughnacloy born Dec 17th 1864 bapt Mar 5th 1865 by Samuel D > Burnside > The only one on the sheet baptized by other than Rev McElwaine > Might be worth tucking away > > Patricia > New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have gravestone inscriptions for the Newry area? I have the majority of this set, but none with Newry inscriptions. I'm attempting to find CUMMING(s)/CUMMIN(s) graves, in particular that of an ancestral grandmother who died in 1802/1803, wife of George Cumming - her christian and surnames are unknown (but I suspect her surname may have been BOGGS or CHAMBERS if that helps . If someone has this volume, could you do a look-up on this for me? Thank you, Carol

Ah ha!!! It was/is on the Shore Road. Thanks. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:14 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Hyland Lodge Kilcoo From Ros Davies Website: *Place Name* *Parish <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Erosdavies/MAPS/CoDownParishes.ht m>* *Map Ref <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Erosdavies/WORDS/ReferenceBooksli st.htm>* *Information* *Reference <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Erosdavies/WORDS/ReferenceBooksli st.htm>* Hyland Lodge Kilcoo . house & garden in Shore Rd, Newcastle; leased by the Postmaster John Hyland in 1863 from Earl of Annesley NWAG p 22;GV I believe the records for Newcaster show the same postmaster. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are three Seacon Townlands in Antrim - Beg, More and Lower largely between Seacon Road and the A26, with Fort Town to the NE, all in Ballymoney Parish. Seacon Lower and Seaconmore extend into Londonderry. I've added them to the map. To find Seacon Road, search for "Seacon Road, UK" (it is just north of the A26 as Mike says). BTW, to search for place names select "Map" as the search type. Exact, Soundex and Partial options are for searching for Admin district. Note that in Antrim, all Townlands are in the database, even though only a few are mapped. Also note that you can click on a district's Icon to open it's info window and then on "Click here for More Information" to get list of all of the Admin Districts it is in and all sub Districts in it. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> * Cemeteries of New Zealand - Map, List and Web-links * Parishes of Northern Ireland - Map * Our Family History Mike Boyd wrote: > Linda > Secon would appear to be on the north side of the A26 Road - the main road > between Ballymoney and Coleraine - about 8 kms form Ballymoney. From my > 1:50,000 map it appear to be right on the Londonderry/Antrim border as it > crosses the A26. > > While Forttown appear to be on the west side of the B62 Road - between > Ballymoney and Portrush - about 7 kms form Ballymoney. It seems to run in a > SW direction and appear to adjoin Secon to its SW > > There is an Secon filling station (gas station for the USA) on the A26 road > about 1 km inside the boundary with Londonderry. > > Sorry I can't give you a web site map. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Holley" <ljholley@comcast.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:54 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Secon and Forttown > > > >> I have received info in the last few days that some Burnsides of Secon >> married into the Moore family. Also that they married into the Boyd family >> in Forttown. >> >> I know I need a better map of Co. Antrim but seem unable to find one - I >> do have an Ordnance Survey map but it is a touring map. Can anyone please >> tell me where these two areas are located or where I may download a map? >> >> Thank You, Linda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Patricia coincidence or not My grandmother was named Elizabeth McKEE and was born 10 Dec 1864 in Ballynahinch. There is no Christian name on her birth certificate (as with the IGI) uncovered within my father's effects. Her parents were John McKEE and Catherine (EMERSON) Peter

Hello Claire, You might like to look at the following site and read about David Hill and his 2 brothers who were sent to Australia from England. As you can see, he has written a book (The Forgotten Children). http://www.abc.net.au/melbourne/stories/s1916836.htm Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire McConville" <clairybums@dsl.pipex.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Children 'sent away' during WWII > Hi Rosemary, Thanks for your input! I hope the term 'sent away' didn't > come > across as in any way offensive, as in some kind of punishment, as it > wasn't > intended that way. I was trying to think of the word and couldn't come up > with anything suitable. Thinking about it, 'refugees' would be more > suitable. It just wouldn't work its way to the front of my brain at the > time. > > I think you are probably right about it not being an official thing and > people going to families. I'm thinking that perhaps there were > establishments set up for those people who didn't have contacts elsewhere. > I > must say though, that this is an extremely interesting subject. I have > found > a few good sites and got carried away reading them. > > http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/The_BlitzBelfast_during_the_second_World_War > > and > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/categories/c1103/index_10.shtml > > Thanks once again. > > Claire > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk

Nazis couldn't hit a barn if they were inside of it. don -------------- Original message -------------- From: Juditoh@aol.com > Regarding the comment by Mr McAllister about Irish neutrality. That did not > include Northern Ireland and I know that Belfast harbor had large ship yards. > I would think it would be seen as a potential target. The rest of Ireland was > neutral. > > > In a message dated 1/19/2008 3:21:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mcallisterfamily@btopenworld.com writes: > > Hi all, this sort of thing happened in England from many of the main areas > when the Germans were bombing strategic targets. > My father-in-law was sent from Birmingham, he lived near to the Dunlop > factory, out to the wilds of Derbyshire. My mother's family were sent from > south-east London up to Yorkshire, a trip of several hours by train, most of > them went back many years later and settled there too. > Rather than the phrase 'children sent away', the term 'evacuee' was deemed a > suitable description of these children, many of whom were also evacuated to > Canada, but some of these were home children, already orphans. Many were > killed also after the ships they were traveling on were sunk. > It is only reccently I have found out that there were bombings that had > taken place in Ireland too! > I thought the IRish were neutral during WW2! > Regards, Michael McAllister > > > From: "Claire McConville" > > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Children 'sent away' during WWII > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I have been contacted by a lady whose father and his siblings were > > children > > during WWII and were sent, from Belfast, to live on a farm in Lisbellaw. I > > know it was common practice in England, as well as Ireland, for children > > to > > be sent away to live with other families. > > > This lady has posted to the Belfast mailing list but unfortunately not had > > any response so I am posting here as the two places mentioned fall into > > the > > boundaries and also, as I know how helpful and knowledgeable you all are. > > > Is there any way of finding out information about children sent away to > > live > > on farms? Government lists perhaps? I have emailed the lady back to get a > > surname just in case someone has already been researching this, I have to > > say most interesting, topic. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Awhile back someone was doing lookups in the Gravestone Inscription series published by UHF. Could someone look up John Trainor who died 16 May 1898 and let me know what cemetery he was buried in? He was living in Rostrevor and his wife Margaret Ellen may be buried with him as she died after 1898. Thanks, Muriel USA **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

From Ros Davies Website: *Place Name* *Parish <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Erosdavies/MAPS/CoDownParishes.htm>* *Map Ref <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Erosdavies/WORDS/ReferenceBookslist.htm>* *Information* *Reference <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Erosdavies/WORDS/ReferenceBookslist.htm>* Hyland Lodge Kilcoo . house & garden in Shore Rd, Newcastle; leased by the Postmaster John Hyland in 1863 from Earl of Annesley NWAG p 22;GV I believe the records for Newcaster show the same postmaster.

Thanks Peter - it's strange. I have seen those references but I just can't figure out where Hyland Lodge was (or is). It maybe wasn't as grand as its name suggests. Perhaps I'll ask around when I am next in Newcastle (hopefully this summer). I'll let the LIST know if I find anything out about the place, Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter McGuinness Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:10 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Hyland Lodge Fiona, a quick google search turned up references in these pages: http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_MN1880.htm http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/html/newcastle11.htm http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Newcastle.php http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/D/DowDoy.htm Peter Fiona Jones wrote: > Would anyone know anything about HYLAND LODGE, Newcastle? > ========= > > Probate of the Will of Ann Doyle late of Hyland Lodge Newcastle County Down > Spinster who died 4 December 1906 . > > =========== >