Hello there Ella - long time no speak! RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ella Patterson" <E.Patterson@qub.ac.uk> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > I'm here I masquerade at QUB as Mary Ellen Patterson! > Ella > > Ella Patterson > Cataloguer > Cataloguing Department > Main Library > Resources Management Division > The Queen's University of Belfast > University Square > Belfast > BT7 1LS > Northern Ireland > > Tele: +44 28 90973639 > Email: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Judith and Graeme Collins > Sent: 27 January 2008 07:23 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > > Owen did you get a reply re Ella.? > > I have an email address dated March 2007 for her as: > > e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > > > > Judith > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <odavey@nbnet.nb.ca> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:13 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > > >> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ella Patterson? She works/worked >> at >> Queen's Univ. library in Belfast and often helped out with inquiries from >> the List. I checked the QU site but could not come up with her >> co-ordinates. Thanks. Owen Davey >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> It has removed 25 spam emails to date. >> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rowan was a common first name meaning rowan tree (mountain ash). Roan in Ireland is a variant spelling for Rowan. The English name Roan is derived from the French town, Rouen. Rowan is sometimes spelled Ruane or Rohan. In Ireland one finds the surname Rowantree/Roantree/Rowntree in Cavan and Armagh. The name is recorded in Ireland as early as 1376. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family History" <scullionhistory@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Re- CARR and ROWAN (ROAN) >I read with interest the submission by Hugh McCartney and Nicola > Jennings with regards to the CARR and ROWAN names, my great great > Grandmother Jane McCulloch was born 1855 in Kirkmaiden by Drummore in > Wigtonshire,Scotland... almost directly across the water from the > Newonards Penninsula of Co. Down. > > Her parents were William MCCULLOCH (McCULLAGH) and MARY CARR who were > from Ballywalter and Kirkcubbin respectively ... details obtained re > this marriage are > Marriage in Newtownards Registry Officer - 30 Oct 1847: > > William McCullagh, full age, bachelor from Ballywalter, labourer (father > William, labourer) to > Mary Kerr, full age, spinster from Ballywalter (father John, farmer). > Witnesses: Ann Kerr and James Fisher. > > Interestingly her full name as per the Scottish birth certificate is > JANE ROAN MCCULLOCH. > > Is it fair to assume this was a simple acknowledgment of the Irish > patriot ... > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alex, Thank you for your comments, but I would like to clarify that I did not mean to 'apologise' for his illegitimacy (in those days they were called 'natural' children). In fact I greatly admire his mother who had 3 children by the same father, who went on to produce other children by different women. She raised those children without the benefits of marriage, an in-law family's help, during difficult times in Ireland as a single mother. I cannot imagine her struggles! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farquhar" <weedodger@googlemail.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] BRICKWALL Secret Researcher > Hi Rob&Wendy > I am surprised that you felt the need to apologise for the illegitimacy , > I > have found over the period of my researching that in these hard times past > when our ancestors had to struggle just to make a crust survival was the > name of the game and if they survived then so did we, never frown or > apologise for our past they were our survival,and be proud of it , and > please do not take this as a slight upon your remarks remarks , Iknow you > are as proud as we all are of our past and I also agree with you that > those > silent researchers are "pure dead brilliant " > Alex > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:55 AM, Robt & Wendy Stevenson > <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > wrote: > >> What a lovely thought, and thank you for sharing. It is so kind and >> generous of Secret R to take the time and effort to help one or some of >> us >> - >> without even the credit of identifying him/herself! I'm impressed. And >> it >> reminds me again that without the people on this and other lists, we >> wouldn't have the resources or encouragement to find our families. Most >> of >> ours are buried in unmarked plots, a situation which I would like to >> rectify. I need to find them first.! >> My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >> illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >> other >> Somervilles....my husband (Stevenson) is an only child, so I would like >> to >> link him with kin, and who cares if they were illegitimate!! Any >> descendents may also want to know a little more about their family. I >> have >> traced them back through the Plantation. >> Anyway, thank you Secret Researcher! >> Wendy in a blizzard in Canada >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] BRICKWALL Secret Researcher >> >> >> > Another HUGE THANK YOU for the terrific help so generously given by the >> > "Secret" Researcher! >> > With Great Appreciation! >> > Roxanne in California, USA >> > >> > >> > Fiona Jones wrote: >> > >> >>Also a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to our "secret" researcher who picks names >> from >> >>those listed and conducts some research at PRONI to help breakdown >> >>those >> >>BRICKWALLS. I know many of you on the LIST have had help. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Fiona. >> >> >> >>IGP Co. Down Coordinator >> >> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > twocats > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A friend recently pointed out to me that ALL of our ancestors had to survive long enough for us to be here! A simple but profound thought!! Roxanne Neel Cedarpines Park, California USA Researching MORROW, ROWAN, KENNEDY, WHAN, WADDELL, WOODS, DIXON in Ireland and Scotland roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net Alex Farquhar wrote: >Hi Rob&Wendy >I am surprised that you felt the need to apologise for the illegitimacy , I >have found over the period of my researching that in these hard times past >when our ancestors had to struggle just to make a crust survival was the >name of the game and if they survived then so did we, never frown or >apologise for our past they were our survival,and be proud of it , and >please do not take this as a slight upon your remarks remarks , Iknow you >are as proud as we all are of our past and I also agree with you that those >silent researchers are "pure dead brilliant " >Alex > >On Jan 28, 2008 12:55 AM, Robt & Wendy Stevenson <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> >wrote: > > > >>What a lovely thought, and thank you for sharing. It is so kind and >>generous of Secret R to take the time and effort to help one or some of us >>- >>without even the credit of identifying him/herself! I'm impressed. And >>it >>reminds me again that without the people on this and other lists, we >>wouldn't have the resources or encouragement to find our families. Most >>of >>ours are buried in unmarked plots, a situation which I would like to >>rectify. I need to find them first.! >>My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >>illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >>other >>Somervilles....my husband (Stevenson) is an only child, so I would like to >>link him with kin, and who cares if they were illegitimate!! Any >>descendents may also want to know a little more about their family. I >>have >>traced them back through the Plantation. >>Anyway, thank you Secret Researcher! >>Wendy in a blizzard in Canada >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> >>To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:15 AM >>Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] BRICKWALL Secret Researcher >> >> >> >> >>>Another HUGE THANK YOU for the terrific help so generously given by the >>>"Secret" Researcher! >>>With Great Appreciation! >>>Roxanne in California, USA >>> >>> >>>Fiona Jones wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Also a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to our "secret" researcher who picks names >>>> >>>> >>from >> >> >>>>those listed and conducts some research at PRONI to help breakdown those >>>>BRICKWALLS. I know many of you on the LIST have had help. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Fiona. >>>> >>>>IGP Co. Down Coordinator >>>> >>>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > >

I'm here I masquerade at QUB as Mary Ellen Patterson! Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith and Graeme Collins Sent: 27 January 2008 07:23 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson Owen did you get a reply re Ella.? I have an email address dated March 2007 for her as: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <odavey@nbnet.nb.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ella Patterson? She works/worked at > Queen's Univ. library in Belfast and often helped out with inquiries from > the List. I checked the QU site but could not come up with her > co-ordinates. Thanks. Owen Davey > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 25 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a lovely thought, and thank you for sharing. It is so kind and generous of Secret R to take the time and effort to help one or some of us - without even the credit of identifying him/herself! I'm impressed. And it reminds me again that without the people on this and other lists, we wouldn't have the resources or encouragement to find our families. Most of ours are buried in unmarked plots, a situation which I would like to rectify. I need to find them first.! My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no other Somervilles....my husband (Stevenson) is an only child, so I would like to link him with kin, and who cares if they were illegitimate!! Any descendents may also want to know a little more about their family. I have traced them back through the Plantation. Anyway, thank you Secret Researcher! Wendy in a blizzard in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] BRICKWALL Secret Researcher > Another HUGE THANK YOU for the terrific help so generously given by the > "Secret" Researcher! > With Great Appreciation! > Roxanne in California, USA > > > Fiona Jones wrote: > >>Also a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to our "secret" researcher who picks names from >>those listed and conducts some research at PRONI to help breakdown those >>BRICKWALLS. I know many of you on the LIST have had help. >> >> >> >>Fiona. >> >>IGP Co. Down Coordinator >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Judith. Thank you. Rosemary McCormack kindly sent me the e-mail link. Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith and Graeme Collins" <gcol6113@bigpond.net.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > Owen did you get a reply re Ella.? > > I have an email address dated March 2007 for her as: > > e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > > > > Judith > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <odavey@nbnet.nb.ca> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:13 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > > > > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ella Patterson? She works/worked at > > Queen's Univ. library in Belfast and often helped out with inquiries from > > the List. I checked the QU site but could not come up with her > > co-ordinates. Thanks. Owen Davey > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > > It has removed 25 spam emails to date. > > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/08 3:45 PM > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I also want to thank all, those who have helped me in my research it would have been useless if I was not given help , my sincere thanks to all you good people who help us who cant help ourselves, God Bless all of you , whoever your God may be Alex On Jan 27, 2008 4:15 PM, Roxanne Neel <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> wrote: > Another HUGE THANK YOU for the terrific help so generously given by the > "Secret" Researcher! > With Great Appreciation! > Roxanne in California, USA > > > Fiona Jones wrote: > > >Also a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to our "secret" researcher who picks names > from > >those listed and conducts some research at PRONI to help breakdown those > >BRICKWALLS. I know many of you on the LIST have had help. > > > > > > > >Fiona. > > > >IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- twocats

Rosemary. Thank you for the information. Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Joan McCormack" <rosemary.mccormack1@ntlworld.com> To: <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 6:58 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > Lost the request for Ella's email. Here it is:Rosemary. > e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > Rosemary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/08 11:24 AM > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Owen did you get a reply re Ella.? I have an email address dated March 2007 for her as: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <odavey@nbnet.nb.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ella Patterson > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ella Patterson? She works/worked at > Queen's Univ. library in Belfast and often helped out with inquiries from > the List. I checked the QU site but could not come up with her > co-ordinates. Thanks. Owen Davey > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 25 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Muster Roll of Viscount Clandeboy held at Killyleagh April 25, 1642 included Archibald Cars who was likely an early ancestor. This was for those males between 16 and 60 who could bear arms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Macartney" <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Archibald H. R. CARR (Killyleagh) 1864 > The story of the Hamiltons of Killyleagh is rather tangled. Your Archibald > Hamilton Rowan Carr was likely named after the famous Irish patriot but > it > is unclear if he was related to the Hamiltons of Killyleagh Castle. The > patriot was the son of Gawin Hamilton who came from a famous Scottish > family. Rowan was the name of his paternal grandfather, Sir James > Hamilton, > Viscount Clandeboye. > Archibald Hamilton Rowan Carr was listed as a farmer at The Course, > Killyleagh and listed on a railway prospectus in 1861.. Thomas Ringland > born > Feb.4 1815 married Christian Carr b. July 19 1817. He died Sept 30, 1872 > and > she d. Feb. 6 1890. Arhibald Hamilton Rowan Carr and James Carr, Bank > Manager of Belfast by their oaths proves the will of Thomas Ringland in > 1872 > and reproved in 1873. Thomas Ringland, who originally was from > Killyleagh, > born Feb.4 1815, was a bank director in Carrickfegus and died in > Liverpool. > His widow Christian, lived at Cultra, Holwood and her will was proved by > James Carr of Belfast, bank director, and William Ringland, bank clerk of > Larne, Co. Antrim. The Ringlands were an old Killyleagh family and some > were > farmers, surgeons and businessmen. James Ringland of Toy was possibly a > friend of the Carr family both being farmers. There are several Carr > gravestones in Killyleagh Presbyterian graveyard. The earliest if for > Nataneal Carr of Maymore d. Dec. 1832 aged 54. Widow Catherine (LOWRY) d. > Nov 1874. John Carr Esq. d. Dec. 1865 aged 47. ( He had a flax spinning > factory) His wife Eliza d. Dec. 1895. There was also a Joseph Carr of > Cocean > who d. Nov 11 1911. Also his widow Eliza who d. 1895 in Queen's Elms, > Belfast. Her daughter Johnena, spinster, was sole executrix. > James Carr of Belfast, born Killyleagh, b. June 1829 d. Belfast Sept. > 1916. > Widow, Frances MULLOCK, d. Aug.1903. > The 1843 Commercial Directory for Killyleagh does not list any Carrs and > presumably they were still farmers. Andrew Ringland is listed as a Butter > and Grain Merchant . Dawson Rowan Hamilton is listed at Killyleagh Castle > and T.K. Lowry is a Barrister-at law of Ballytrim House. The 1886 > Killyleagh Directory listed Joseph Carr, Corporation, S.B. Ringland at > Ballytrim House, Killyleagh, and John Ringland at Cluntagh. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darcy5" <darcy5@eircom.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:27 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Archibald H. R. CARR (Killyleagh) 1864 > > >> >> >> Is any one researching the name CARR who could perhaps shed some light on >> this particular CARR? He is in Griffiths, Archibald H.R CARR, leasing his >> property from Catherine A. HAMILTON in the townland of Corporation, >> parish >> of Killyleagh, Barony of Dufferin, County of Down. My guess is he was >> called >> after Archibald Hamilton Rowan (United Irishmen) and that Catherine >> Hamilton >> may have been Catherine Cockburn married to one of the Hamilton family. >> But who is Archibald H.R.CARR? And what is his connection,if any, with >> the >> HAMILTON'S? >> I suspect there is one, because one of Harriet Hamilton's sons, grandson >> of >> Archibald Hamilton Rowan, was christened Henry CARR Fitzgerald. (Harriet >> was >> my gggrandmother. >> Any suggestions? >> Nicola Jennings >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The story of the Hamiltons of Killyleagh is rather tangled. Your Archibald Hamilton Rowan Carr was likely named after the famous Irish patriot but it is unclear if he was related to the Hamiltons of Killyleagh Castle. The patriot was the son of Gawin Hamilton who came from a famous Scottish family. Rowan was the name of his paternal grandfather, Sir James Hamilton, Viscount Clandeboye. Archibald Hamilton Rowan Carr was listed as a farmer at The Course, Killyleagh and listed on a railway prospectus in 1861.. Thomas Ringland born Feb.4 1815 married Christian Carr b. July 19 1817. He died Sept 30, 1872 and she d. Feb. 6 1890. Arhibald Hamilton Rowan Carr and James Carr, Bank Manager of Belfast by their oaths proves the will of Thomas Ringland in 1872 and reproved in 1873. Thomas Ringland, who originally was from Killyleagh, born Feb.4 1815, was a bank director in Carrickfegus and died in Liverpool. His widow Christian, lived at Cultra, Holwood and her will was proved by James Carr of Belfast, bank director, and William Ringland, bank clerk of Larne, Co. Antrim. The Ringlands were an old Killyleagh family and some were farmers, surgeons and businessmen. James Ringland of Toy was possibly a friend of the Carr family both being farmers. There are several Carr gravestones in Killyleagh Presbyterian graveyard. The earliest if for Nataneal Carr of Maymore d. Dec. 1832 aged 54. Widow Catherine (LOWRY) d. Nov 1874. John Carr Esq. d. Dec. 1865 aged 47. ( He had a flax spinning factory) His wife Eliza d. Dec. 1895. There was also a Joseph Carr of Cocean who d. Nov 11 1911. Also his widow Eliza who d. 1895 in Queen's Elms, Belfast. Her daughter Johnena, spinster, was sole executrix. James Carr of Belfast, born Killyleagh, b. June 1829 d. Belfast Sept. 1916. Widow, Frances MULLOCK, d. Aug.1903. The 1843 Commercial Directory for Killyleagh does not list any Carrs and presumably they were still farmers. Andrew Ringland is listed as a Butter and Grain Merchant . Dawson Rowan Hamilton is listed at Killyleagh Castle and T.K. Lowry is a Barrister-at law of Ballytrim House. The 1886 Killyleagh Directory listed Joseph Carr, Corporation, S.B. Ringland at Ballytrim House, Killyleagh, and John Ringland at Cluntagh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy5" <darcy5@eircom.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Archibald H. R. CARR (Killyleagh) 1864 > > > Is any one researching the name CARR who could perhaps shed some light on > this particular CARR? He is in Griffiths, Archibald H.R CARR, leasing his > property from Catherine A. HAMILTON in the townland of Corporation, parish > of Killyleagh, Barony of Dufferin, County of Down. My guess is he was > called > after Archibald Hamilton Rowan (United Irishmen) and that Catherine > Hamilton > may have been Catherine Cockburn married to one of the Hamilton family. > But who is Archibald H.R.CARR? And what is his connection,if any, with the > HAMILTON'S? > I suspect there is one, because one of Harriet Hamilton's sons, grandson > of > Archibald Hamilton Rowan, was christened Henry CARR Fitzgerald. (Harriet > was > my gggrandmother. > Any suggestions? > Nicola Jennings > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is any one researching the name CARR who could perhaps shed some light on this particular CARR? He is in Griffiths, Archibald H.R CARR, leasing his property from Catherine A. HAMILTON in the townland of Corporation, parish of Killyleagh, Barony of Dufferin, County of Down. My guess is he was called after Archibald Hamilton Rowan (United Irishmen) and that Catherine Hamilton may have been Catherine Cockburn married to one of the Hamilton family. But who is Archibald H.R.CARR? And what is his connection,if any, with the HAMILTON'S? I suspect there is one, because one of Harriet Hamilton's sons, grandson of Archibald Hamilton Rowan, was christened Henry CARR Fitzgerald. (Harriet was my gggrandmother. Any suggestions? Nicola Jennings

It has been interesting to read some of the posts concerning the evacuees in WW2 as my mum had just been telling me about her experiences. She was around 6 at the time of the Belfast blitz and recalls going into the hills to hide in the ditches on a number of occasions. More relevant to Co Down though, she was billeted to a number of houses around Portadown-sometimes with her family, but at least once to a house on her own. These billets weren't family or friends, so there must have been some central organisation. At one point the family were evacuated to the Slieve Donard hotel in Newcastle .Alison AlderseaAustralia _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT

I would like to add my THANKS to a "Secret Researcher" who has offered so much help on the BRICKWALLS of the Murray Family in Clanvaraghan & Slievenisky. Sheila Dadson Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] BRICKWALL Secret Researcher > Another HUGE THANK YOU for the terrific help so generously given by the > "Secret" Researcher! > With Great Appreciation! > Roxanne in California, USA > > > Fiona Jones wrote: > >>Also a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to our "secret" researcher who picks names from >>those listed and conducts some research at PRONI to help breakdown those >>BRICKWALLS. I know many of you on the LIST have had help. >> >> >> >>Fiona. >> >>IGP Co. Down Coordinator >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I clearly remember coming downstairs on many mornings to find strangers (adults and children) sleeping all over our wee house in Railway Street Banbridge. There wasn't room to put your foot down to walk between the sleeping bodies. On the previous nights I can also remember the big bombers flying overhead and very low in the sky to Belfast and then the night sky being lit up with the exploding bombs. I was about 5 or 6 at the time. So that would have been circa 1943. People would alight from the trains in the railway station and everybody in the street (which was just beside the railway station) would take in as many people as they could. They were all strangers but they were homeless with nowhere to sleep. Everybody helped in whatever way they could. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore On 27/01/2008, Alison Aldersea <aesredla@hotmail.com> wrote: > It has been interesting to read some of the posts concerning the evacuees in WW2 as my mum had just been telling me about her experiences. She was around 6 at the time of the Belfast blitz and recalls going into the hills to hide in the ditches on a number of occasions. More relevant to Co Down though, she was billeted to a number of houses around Portadown-sometimes with her family, but at least once to a house on her own. These billets weren't family or friends, so there must have been some central organisation. At one point the family were evacuated to the Slieve Donard hotel in Newcastle .Alison AlderseaAustralia > _________________________________________________________________ > Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ jeanmccarthy36@googlemail.com

Another HUGE THANK YOU for the terrific help so generously given by the "Secret" Researcher! With Great Appreciation! Roxanne in California, USA Fiona Jones wrote: >Also a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to our "secret" researcher who picks names from >those listed and conducts some research at PRONI to help breakdown those >BRICKWALLS. I know many of you on the LIST have had help. > > > >Fiona. > >IGP Co. Down Coordinator > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

oops sorry missed the witnesses: Thomas Shiels Margaret King Rev A. J. Finnegan On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Nan Brennan wrote: > Marriage record > Leitrim Roman Catholic Chapel, Ballyward, Drumgooland > > 8 August 1868 > EDWARD DORAN, age 24, Bleacher, son of JAMES DORAN (laborer) of > Clarkhill (Kilmegan) > to > CATHERINE KING, age 22, dau of BRYAN KING, farmer, of Ballymagaraghan > (Moira) > > Hope this helps someone. > > Nan > > ( I almost certain this couple, or at least Catherine King Doran, > was in Ballymagreehan in 1901 > . These are likely the parents of my mother's great aunt's > (Annie McEvoy) husband, Bernard Doran. > > Ros: you have this entry, but this record above gives more detail. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Marriage record Leitrim Roman Catholic Chapel, Ballyward, Drumgooland 8 August 1868 EDWARD DORAN, age 24, Bleacher, son of JAMES DORAN (laborer) of Clarkhill (Kilmegan) to CATHERINE KING, age 22, dau of BRYAN KING, farmer, of Ballymagaraghan (Moira) Hope this helps someone. Nan ( I almost certain this couple, or at least Catherine King Doran, was in Ballymagreehan in 1901 . These are likely the parents of my mother's great aunt's (Annie McEvoy) husband, Bernard Doran. Ros: you have this entry, but this record above gives more detail.

Lost the request for Ella's email. Here it is: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk Rosemary