My Boden and Tear ancestors who first laned in Cumberland, and lived there before migrating to Co Durham were from the Mourne are of Co Down (Loughinisland and Ardglass). Carolgriff@aol.com wrote: Hi Like Michael I have that great book Culture, Conflict and Migration: The Irish in Victorian Cumbria- but like him I can not locate it- recommended. Ive skimmed through Cleator Moor Revealed and can find no mention of any Roneys but thought Id list names just incase anyone has an interest- nothing says they were Irish but they may be recognised. April 1871 Murphy Riots William Murphy- an Irishman who travelled England giving lectures that Im gathering were anti catholic- I stand to be corrected here. Arrests in and around Cleator moor were Hugh McGEE 21 Patrick DOYLE 23 Dennis DOYLE 23 Patrick MURRAY 35 James BELTON 38 Patrick MCGEE 26 James MCGEE 27 Lawrence DORAN- a grocer from Whitehaven Thomas MORGAN Jerimiah BRAYDON Francis MORGAN Patrick CONNER They got 12 months hard labour- apart from James BELTON and Patrick MCGEE who got 3 months hard labour. Hope someone recognises someone here(and is pleased to see them), on reflection i think I will look them up on census returns to see where they came from- may end up coming from areas Im interested in- sorry im thinking aloud! Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Thank you everyone for helping me with this query. I had a really good look at the website you suggested Roxanne and have contacted them with my query. I will let you know how I get on and in the meantime if anyone has anymore suggestions please don't hesitate to let me know. Regards Lin

I have added the Co. Down natives from the Australian Convict Index, 1788-1868 on the IGP Co. Down site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/Deportees.htm Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator

The best site I have found for studies on the Irish experience in Britain is www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora . This a wonderful site located at the University of Bradford. It provides detailed information on Irish migration to Cumberland. This area was known as "little Ireland". Some of my ancestors went from Ballynahinch to Whitehaven, Cleator Moor, Egremont and other local towns to work in the iron ore mines there. It was one tough place. Check out the site it is worth a visit. Owen Davey -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

----- Original Message ----- From: shirleythompson@talktalk.net To: ireland Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: wiley william wiley father of john wiley born 1840 comber, co down . 1851 census pittimgton co durham england states. sarah wiley age 33 jane ,, dau 14 john ,, son 11 also in same house alexander wiley 23 lodger david ,, 18 ,, all born ireland on john wiley's marriage certificate his fathers profession was a tailor deceased. can anyone help me with this family tia shirley rumour is tey may have been scottish irish? my brick wall

I have no information on them but there were several several Orange Lodges in Cumbria. There is some information on them in Donald M. MacRaild's book Culture, Conflict and Migration: The Irish in Victorian Cumbria. I cannot locate my copy at the momen or I would look the subject up for you. regards Michael Burns Roxanne Neel <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> wrote: Linda, This website may offer some insight: www.grandorangelodge.co.uk Best Wishes, Roxanne linda chapman wrote: >Hi > >I am not even sure if this is a sensible question but I had this thought so will ask. > >I >know my 3x gr grandfather James Rooney (or Roney) was buried in >Egremont in 1880 when his age was given as 45. He is on the 61 and 71 >census in Egremont, Cumberland when his birth place was given as Ireland, as were >the births of his wife Elizabeth nee Taylor and his daughters Leticia >and Rosannah in 1848 and 1850, his younger children being born in Egremont. There is a marriage for him and >Elizabeth on the IGI for 1853 in Egremont and we have a solicitors >letter dated 1953 that his daughters births were legitimised in January >1927 with the introduction of the Illegitimacy Act. > >I do know >that within my Rooney family that I have just got in contact with, there >is also his Orange Order sash that is now so faded that even if there >had been any writing on it, it is now ileligable. As I am struggling >to find his place of birth I am clutching at straws when I ask if there >is any possibility of his Orange Lodge being in Cumberland? > >To >compound my research he was obviously a Protestant, one of his >daughters a devout Catholic and one of his sons was a Methodist. > >I am hoping sks can point me in the right direction as another question I have is, are the members lists for Orange Lodges of that period open to the public or are they still confidential? > >I have also put this on the google message board for Cumberland, although I do realize that I am clutching at straws. > >Thank you for your time. > >Regards > >Lin > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Same Here. RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY AIRRIESS" <aairriess@msn.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Contacting LO Lodges > Gentle Listers, > > I have had multiple contacts with people from the Grand Lodge, as well as > with multiple contacts with people from local lodges, asking for > information regarding my ancestors and whether they were members. In each > case I received a "I'll see what I can find" email. In each case it was > the last time I heard from that contact. > > If you can do better, good for you. For me, it has done no good > whatsoever. > > Andy Airriess > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Linda - it will be interesting to see who you find. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Holley Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:47 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] New Page I am going to Beaver Co. PA in the spring and will search the newspaper clipping there because many Down families moved to this area. If I find anything I will send them along to you. You are great! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Fiona Jones <mourneminers@optonline.net> > I have added a newspaper scrapbook to the IGP County Down website at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/newpaper_scrapbook.htm > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Fiona > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > === > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >>illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >>other >>Somervilles...>> In Ireland, illegitimate children were registered with the mother's surname. They could not take the father's name. I have ancestors in this situation. In Ireland they are recorded everywhere with the mother's surname of Davidson. Once they came to the United States, they "assumed" the father's surname, which was Woods. Sandra

Thanks Carole for looking and good luck tracking down your Niles and Donnellys. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:45 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] re Orangemen Roney Cumberland etc re the Doyles Looks like they were from Co Wicklow and came to Cumberland around the same time as my Niles and Donnellys. Im betting they were catholics and possibly friends- funny how a thread totally unconnected might just give me a lead in a different direction! (1861 census has Patrick and John from Co Wicklow with mam and dad and siblings) carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

re the Doyles Looks like they were from Co Wicklow and came to Cumberland around the same time as my Niles and Donnellys. Im betting they were catholics and possibly friends- funny how a thread totally unconnected might just give me a lead in a different direction! (1861 census has Patrick and John from Co Wicklow with mam and dad and siblings) carol

Small world re ending up Co Durham. My Roney enede up there- as did my Niles and Donnellys from County Wicklow- all via Cumberland. carol

Anyone know who Mrs. Fred Workman from Kilkeel, Moor is? She was living at 205 Mulberry St., Cincinnati on Dec 21, 1949 Source: Coshocton Tribune). See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/kilkeel.htm Fiona.

Anyone missing a PATRICK CUNNINGHAM or PATRICK CORR? Check out: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/WallaWalla.htm Fiona.

Gord, Thank you for this information. I'll see if this family matches at all to Bobby's info. He did say that the Skillens named their children the same as the next Skillens so he knew it would be hard to find info. I would imagine if I can find Bobby's grandparents that it will lead to a lot of new families for him. Joni -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gord Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:00 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) Joni, An uncle of mine, Thomas Lindsay married an Annie Skillen on Oct 6, 1890 in St. Annes Parish Church Belfast. Her father was a Hugh Skillen, tailor. She died in 1946 at 41 Ewart's Row Belfast. I believe she had a brother John. That is really all I know about this Skillen family. Gord On Jan 29, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Joni Rabena wrote: > Hi, Fellow Researchers, > > I'm looking for information for a friend of mine, Robert Hugh Skillen, > who lives in Canada. He was born in County Down, Belfast, in the > 1940s. > He had > two siblings, William and Ann. They were all orphans. Their father was > Robert Cecil Skillen who worked in Boyce Brothers in Finaghy. Their > mother was Mary Matilda Spence who lived in or around Woodstock > Castlereagh Rd. > Area; she worked in Foster Greens Hospital. They both would have been > born around 1915. > > Both of Robert's siblings (William and Ann) have died and he has no > one left in his family and is interested in finding out more info > about his parents. > He has no idea who his grandparents were. > > Any help, suggestions, would be very much appreciated! > > Thank you, > > Joni > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roberta, I had never thought of this one and probably wouldn't have. Thank you. I knew all of the researchers out there would be able to help! Joni -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:57 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) Have you tried the BHC (British Home Children) site? Perhaps they could be of assistance. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joni Rabena Sent: January 29, 2008 7:19 PM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) Hi, Fellow Researchers, I'm looking for information for a friend of mine, Robert Hugh Skillen, who lives in Canada. He was born in County Down, Belfast, in the 1940s. He had two siblings, William and Ann. They were all orphans. Their father was Robert Cecil Skillen who worked in Boyce Brothers in Finaghy. Their mother was Mary Matilda Spence who lived in or around Woodstock Castlereagh Rd. Area; she worked in Foster Greens Hospital. They both would have been born around 1915. Both of Robert's siblings (William and Ann) have died and he has no one left in his family and is interested in finding out more info about his parents. He has no idea who his grandparents were. Any help, suggestions, would be very much appreciated! Thank you, Joni ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ella, Thank you for this suggestion. I have researched my own family, but when trying to do it for someone else, I seem to have lost that "what if" factor. I'll have to look for it and put it on again! Joni -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ella Patterson Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:02 AM To: 'nir-down@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) As his dad worked in Finaghy they may have lived in Finaghy. I suggest you try some of the Finaghy churches. Try the Rev Burnett (Presbyterian) and ask him for details of other probable churches in the area joni@mcburney.ca Also you might want to try to get a marriage certificate (costs money but can be done online) for his parents (This should give their father's names and where they were living) http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm Good luck Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Joan McCormack Sent: 30 January 2008 11:55 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) Dear Joni, on Ulster Historical Foundation I have found these two births: Mary Matilda Spence 1917 ,Co. Antrim and Robert (Cecil not mentioned) Skillen 1914,Co. Antrim This is a pay per view (£6 for 5 views) their marriage wouldn't be on it as it would have been in the 30s. You would have to get someone to search at the GRO for you. www.ancestryireland.com Good luck, RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joni Rabena" <joni@mcburney.ca> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) > Hi, Fellow Researchers, > > I'm looking for information for a friend of mine, Robert Hugh Skillen, > who lives in Canada. He was born in County Down, Belfast, in the > 1940s. He had two siblings, William and Ann. They were all orphans. > Their father was Robert Cecil Skillen who worked in Boyce Brothers in > Finaghy. Their mother was Mary Matilda Spence who lived in or around Woodstock Castlereagh Rd. > Area; she worked in Foster Greens Hospital. They both would have been > born around 1915. > > Both of Robert's siblings (William and Ann) have died and he has no > one left in his family and is interested in finding out more info > about his parents. > He has no idea who his grandparents were. > > Any help, suggestions, would be very much appreciated! > > Thank you, > > Joni > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rosemary, Thanks so much for this. I've been looking only on the County Down sites. Perhaps they married in Antrim and were in Belfast when the kids were born. I hope to have even a bit of info for my friend Bobby, and you've sure helped! Joni -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Joan McCormack Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:55 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) Dear Joni, on Ulster Historical Foundation I have found these two births: Mary Matilda Spence 1917 ,Co. Antrim and Robert (Cecil not mentioned) Skillen 1914,Co. Antrim This is a pay per view (£6 for 5 views) their marriage wouldn't be on it as it would have been in the 30s. You would have to get someone to search at the GRO for you. www.ancestryireland.com Good luck, RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joni Rabena" <joni@mcburney.ca> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] (no subject) > Hi, Fellow Researchers, > > I'm looking for information for a friend of mine, Robert Hugh Skillen, who > lives in Canada. He was born in County Down, Belfast, in the 1940s. He had > two siblings, William and Ann. They were all orphans. Their father was > Robert Cecil Skillen who worked in Boyce Brothers in Finaghy. Their mother > was Mary Matilda Spence who lived in or around Woodstock Castlereagh Rd. > Area; she worked in Foster Greens Hospital. They both would have been born > around 1915. > > Both of Robert's siblings (William and Ann) have died and he has no one > left > in his family and is interested in finding out more info about his > parents. > He has no idea who his grandparents were. > > Any help, suggestions, would be very much appreciated! > > Thank you, > > Joni > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have added a newspaper scrapbook to the IGP County Down website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/newpaper_scrapbook.htm Enjoy! Fiona IGP Co. Down Coordinator ===

What you are describing is typical. I tried several years ago with no luck. They simply are not that big an organization anymore and don't have the facilities. There is a LOL site where some contributors have tried to help others, but it is hit-or-miss at best. Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Joan McCormack" <rosemary.mccormack1@ntlworld.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Contacting LO Lodges > Same Here. RosemaryJoan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANDY AIRRIESS" <aairriess@msn.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:16 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Contacting LO Lodges > > >> Gentle Listers, >> >> I have had multiple contacts with people from the Grand Lodge, as well as >> with multiple contacts with people from local lodges, asking for >> information regarding my ancestors and whether they were members. In >> each >> case I received a "I'll see what I can find" email. In each case it was >> the last time I heard from that contact. >> >> If you can do better, good for you. For me, it has done no good >> whatsoever. >> >> Andy Airriess >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message