Very nice Brigitte. Thank You Fiona for letting us know. I will post to it later. E l a i n e J. T h e O t h e r E l a i n e S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A Fiona Jones wrote: > Dear All, > > > > I have some good news. Brigitte Marmion has set up a Co. Down Discussion > Forum which can be linked to from: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > > > The Forum is for "a little discussion, a little sharing of all things > related to County Down". > > > > It will be a great complement to this LIST allowing for the posting of > files, photos, links etc. and gives us all a chance to continue in more > depth some of the discussions that start on this LIST. > > > > It's also a great place to pose all those non-genealogy questions that > relate to Co. Down such as "does anyone know a good > pub/club/returant/hotel/guset house in Co. Down?" > > > > There are only three rules: > > > > #1-No advertising, this is a commercial free board. > > #2-Be gentle with language and with each other. > > #3-Have fun discussing past and present events in County Down > > > > So why not visit the forum and make your first posting! > > > > Fiona. > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think what is being discussed is the difference between Parish (Church) records and Registration records. The information given in Parish records isn't necessarily the same given in Registration records. I have seen numerous pages of Registration records and only the mother's name is given with the child registered under her name. Some of the entries have been children born in the Poor House and registered by the Poor House official. In all instances though, the child was registered with the mother's maiden name. How the were all baptised I wouldn't know. Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Joan McCormack" <rosemary.mccormack1@ntlworld.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > My grandmother was illegitimate. She was born in 1867. Her mother > registered her under her name only but she was baptised in the Church of > Ireland and her father's name was put on the baptism record. I don't > think > she ever knew her father's name. I discovered it by chance. She was > always > known by her mother's maiden name. RosemaryJoan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > > >> Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching >> for >> us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her >> children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as >> "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were >> born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had >> together, the last born in the US was not so listed. >> the notation on the bottom has this: >> Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S >> SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. >> anyone know what a MGR is? >> out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name >> (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden >> name >> Murphy. >> This has been plaguing us a very long time. >> Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? >> Brigitte >> >> Pssheila@aol.com wrote: >> I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records >> where >> the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being >> illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both >> parents >> names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know >> of a >> few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was >> recorded >> in the fathers name!! >> >> Sheila >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Brigitte >> brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com >> www.marmionfamilytree.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1253 - Release Date: > 31/01/2008 09:09 > >

Hi Sarah, Although I was fortunate enough to find both parents listed as parents on baptismal records, the way I knew that I had the right person was because I was given the mother's surnames by my Aunt for three generations of my grandmothers lineage. Without this I would not have been able to identify that I had found the right family groups. Someone down the road may benefit if you were to share the information you have on one of the appropriate roots web sites. Having the maternal lines is so difficult and you don't know what child of the future may benefit by you doing this. If you already have. I thank you for them. Judy In a message dated 1/31/2008 9:17:30 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, sabit@Eftel.com.au writes: I was born in Ireland 78 years ago, and going back several generations children were never registered to the mother. Women had no rights. If the father died, the land or whatever he had went to his sons, not to the wife or the daughters. The eldest son was more or less bound to house and care for his mother. I have many ancestors that I know for sure were mine because we were taught about them in the home, but you would never have found out from a birth certificate. Even on my great grandmother's children it gave the father only. I only knew of my female ancestors because my mother knew of them by word of mouth in the family. A few generations back from me it would say Father "so and so" but never who the mother was. It had nothing to to with property or money, just male chovenism. Sarah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:54 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Sandra, > You have surprised me with the suggestion that "In Ireland, illegitimate > children were registered with the mother's name..." > Is this typically so? > I know that Corry Somerville had a son and two daughters by Mary > Cunningham > in Cumry Lodge, Monaghan. I don't know about the girls, but I do know > that > a Corry Somerville, probable age, shows up in Belfast where family lore > suggested he went. > We have other members in the family (nobles seemed to like to do that sort > of thing!) wherein the 'natural' child was named for the father. One > example is James Quaile Somerville who had a legitimate son Marcus and an > illegitimate one "James Quaile Somerville". I only wish I knew the > mother's > name! > So I don't think the child was always registered to the mother... > Wendy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net> > To: "NIR-Down List" <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:57 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Survivors > > >> <<My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >>>>illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >>>>other >>>>Somervilles...>> >> >> In Ireland, illegitimate children were registered with the mother's >> surname. >> They could not take the father's name. I have ancestors in this >> situation. In Ireland they are recorded everywhere with the mother's >> surname of Davidson. Once they came to the United States, they "assumed" >> the father's surname, which was Woods. >> >> Sandra >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

My grandmother was illegitimate. She was born in 1867. Her mother registered her under her name only but she was baptised in the Church of Ireland and her father's name was put on the baptism record. I don't think she ever knew her father's name. I discovered it by chance. She was always known by her mother's maiden name. RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Male Register 1865-1956 Female Register 1865-1951 -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:31 PM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Tullycore and the MARSHALL and GIBSON families in CoDown, 1800s <Tullycore is a townland near Killinchy. Tullycore National school was recently converted into a dwelling. The school register is in PRONI.> Sean, thanks for the clarification. I had thought that was correct according to what maps I've found. How far back would the National school records go? Most of my Marshall family left that area in the 1840s; however, two girls were married and remained behind. Mary Marshall married a John Marshall in 1838 and Ann Marshall married David Gibson, also in 1838. Both married in the Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church and the Gibson family, at least, has a tombstone erected in the cemetery there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 9:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 9:29 AM

MGR - I too have seen "MGR" added to records obtained from UHF (ancestryireland) I have always taken it to mean that the ManaGeR had added a note to the record. I have emailed UHF to clarify these references but I have never received a response. I have seen it used to add a variety of notes as in the example below: Field Value Parish/ District KILKEEL Date Of Birth 10/01/1842 Date of Baptism 10/01/1842 First name ELIZABETH ANNE Surname DOYLE Sex Female Denomination Roman Catholic Fathers Firstname Fathers Surname DOYLE Street Townland Upper Mourne Town Newry and Mourne County CO Down Misc E [ELIZABETH = BESSY] MGR TWIN OF PETER REG 1A P 12 ENTRY NO 17. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:12 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations Maternal Grand Mother ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not know if this helps or hinders the current discussion on this subject which I find very interesting. Baptismal entry from the Loughinisland RC parish register: "Nov 22 1823 John of Col Forde illegt" This would be the same Col. Forde who owned Loughinisland Parish lands in their entirety. No mention of the mother or indeed the surname given this child. Owen Davey -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

yes...Catherine Murphy (1st marriage) Shaw, (2nd marriage) Marmion all the children are Marmion...I do not know how the first 2 sons, born in Dublin were listed, I assume illigitimate as well, those records were never found. However the second 2 are listed as such. Oddly when she left Ireland with the children...the children were listed on ships list under different first names....such intrigue..all this in the 1830's. Was there something politically going on at this time to contribute? Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: Maternal Grand Mother ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Brigitte brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com www.marmionfamilytree.com

Maternal Grand Mother ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for > us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her > children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as > "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were > born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had > together, the last born in the US was not so listed. > the notation on the bottom has this: > Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S > SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. > anyone know what a MGR is? > out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name > (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name > Murphy. > This has been plaguing us a very long time. > Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? > Brigitte > > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records > where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Brigitte > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Sheila, I think that before Queen Victoria it was not such a disgrace to have a child out of wedlock, at least not for the child. Many nobles claimed their 'natural' children as their own. And many 'natural' children, including daughters went on to marry noble men (check the Hamilton family). Perhaps the mother was 'tarnished', but I don't think that the child was necessarily. Unless it was another mouth to feed, when we are all starving... wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pssheila@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations >I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records where > the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being > illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both > parents > names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know > of a > few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was > recorded > in the fathers name!! > > Sheila > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We certainly have quite alot of these instances...surely there is some other factor that contributes to it. someone named Dave, out of kindness, sent the listing in to us Then Tom checked into it, and found the 2 marriages but nothing on the baptisms... who would have recorded them originally, after the church I mean? What are the chances that someone who originally trancribed these, long ago, recorded them with this kind of notation as kind of a prank?... the notation that came with ours said "Baptisms, 1826-1869. FHL BRITISH Film " we should all see where these were registered... 2 were at Clonallan (the others Dublin)...anyone else? Perhaps there is some kind of a clue there, because there sure seems to be many reasons why they were so listed.... then again, in desperation I could be way, way off track here....apologies if this a really dumb question. And... in the case of Col. Forde who owned Loughinisland Parish, wouldn't it effect inheritance? odavey@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: I do not know if this helps or hinders the current discussion on this subject which I find very interesting. Baptismal entry from the Loughinisland RC parish register: "Nov 22 1823 John of Col Forde illegt" This would be the same Col. Forde who owned Loughinisland Parish lands in their entirety. No mention of the mother or indeed the surname given this child. Owen Davey -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Brigitte brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com www.marmionfamilytree.com

I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records where the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both parents names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know of a few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was recorded in the fathers name!! Sheila

Sandra, You have surprised me with the suggestion that "In Ireland, illegitimate children were registered with the mother's name..." Is this typically so? I know that Corry Somerville had a son and two daughters by Mary Cunningham in Cumry Lodge, Monaghan. I don't know about the girls, but I do know that a Corry Somerville, probable age, shows up in Belfast where family lore suggested he went. We have other members in the family (nobles seemed to like to do that sort of thing!) wherein the 'natural' child was named for the father. One example is James Quaile Somerville who had a legitimate son Marcus and an illegitimate one "James Quaile Somerville". I only wish I knew the mother's name! So I don't think the child was always registered to the mother... Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net> To: "NIR-Down List" <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Survivors > <<My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >>>illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >>>other >>>Somervilles...>> > > In Ireland, illegitimate children were registered with the mother's > surname. > They could not take the father's name. I have ancestors in this > situation. In Ireland they are recorded everywhere with the mother's > surname of Davidson. Once they came to the United States, they "assumed" > the father's surname, which was Woods. > > Sandra > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching for us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had together, the last born in the US was not so listed. the notation on the bottom has this: Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. anyone know what a MGR is? out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden name Murphy. This has been plaguing us a very long time. Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? Brigitte Pssheila@aol.com wrote: I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records where the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both parents names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know of a few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was recorded in the fathers name!! Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Brigitte brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com www.marmionfamilytree.com

My uploading problems have now been solved and the 1901 census for Harbour Rd Kilkeel is now online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm As usual they can be reached via the latest updates link. The site search engine has yet to be updated. Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

Hi Fiona I recently started researching a convict from Co. Down that was sent to New South Wales in 1802. It's amazing how much information can be found in the NSW archives - a "walk in the park" compared to researching Irish records. Are you familiar with this site below? "Irish Convicts to NSW 1791 - 1834" http://members.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/convicts.htm Stan -------- Fiona Jones on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 wrote: I have added the Co. Down natives from the Australian Convict Index, 1788-1868 on the IGP Co. Down site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/Deportees.htm

Gloria, my grandfather was Taylor, but of course Ireland is a fair size, but he lived in the Dromore district of Co Down. You don't state what area you are interested in. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria" <gmt.bc@shaw.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Taylor in Ireland British Isles Vital REcords Index CD's >I have a problem.......my 22lb Main Coon Cat stepped on #16 > CD.........marriages P-Z now has a crack in it and is unusable > > LDS does not have this set of CD's anymore. > > IF someone has this set, could them please email me. I desperately need > a copy or a look up. > I've helped many with these CD's and now find myself without the CD that > I require for my own research of Taylor's in Ireland and Sizer's in > Norfolk. > > Thanks > Gloria Taylor > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Pat on reading your message I wonder if you have the townland name correct. I was born in Northern Ireland and lived there for 31 years and I have never heard that place name. There was a place quite close to where we lived known as Tullynore. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Jones" <kin-hunter25@cox.net> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:36 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] DAVID GIBSON family and descendants, Tullycore,County Down, Ireland, 1800s > Looking for information about the family of and/or any descendants of > DAVID GIBSON, Tullycore, Co Down, Ireland. He lived in the Tullycore area > when his wife Ann (Marshall) Gibson died in 1865. His sons Robert(d. > 1852), John (d. 1854), James (d. 1863), and Thomas (d 1875) all died in > that area. All are buried in the Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian > Church cemetery, Killinchy, Co Down. There were supposed to have been 10 > children born; I need their names and information. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

There is still a Marshall family in that area. One was once the pro in nearby Mahee Island golf club. Will find out the starting date of the school register for you tomorrow. -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:31 PM To: NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Tullycore and the MARSHALL and GIBSON families in CoDown, 1800s <Tullycore is a townland near Killinchy. Tullycore National school was recently converted into a dwelling. The school register is in PRONI.> Sean, thanks for the clarification. I had thought that was correct according to what maps I've found. How far back would the National school records go? Most of my Marshall family left that area in the 1840s; however, two girls were married and remained behind. Mary Marshall married a John Marshall in 1838 and Ann Marshall married David Gibson, also in 1838. Both married in the Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church and the Gibson family, at least, has a tombstone erected in the cemetery there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 9:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 9:29 AM

I am going to Beaver Co. PA in the spring and will search the newspaper clipping there because many Down families moved to this area. If I find anything I will send them along to you. You are great! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Fiona Jones <mourneminers@optonline.net> > I have added a newspaper scrapbook to the IGP County Down website at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/newpaper_scrapbook.htm > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Fiona > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > === > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message