Some years ago I obtained a transcript from PRONI of the will of my great great grandfather MATTHEW HUNTER. It seems that after his death he left the property to an ANN ORR, I was surprised at this as he had a son living until 1912. Would anyone be researching the surname ORR as it is not familiar to my family lines. Perhaps there is someone out there who has a HUNTER-ORR connection. Regards. Maureen in Australia. 10th June 1864 Copy Will of Mathew Hunter Received original will of which the within is a copy Nov 1856 Public Record Office of Northern Ireland Transcript. I Matthew Hunter of Ravara parish of Killinchy County of Down farmer do make this my last will and testament in manner of form following – 1st I leave and bequeath to my dearly beloved wife all my freehold and chattel property which I am possessed of from the townland of Ballygowan and Ravarra together with any other property I may have of whatever nature or kind or wheresoever to be found during her natural life. Miss Anne Orr who now resides with me to assist her in the management of it during her life and at her desire I leave and bequeath same property as before mentioned to the said Miss Anne Orr to be at the said Miss Anne Orr’s disposal for her own sale use and benefit and if she marries notwithstanding her coverture I don’t allow her husband to have any control whatsoever over said property and her receipt to be valid in law. 2nd I appoint the said Anne Orr to be my sole executrix of this my last will. Signed sealed and to my knowledge as my last will and testament this 12th day of June 1854 in presence of us who in presence of each other – Mathew Hunter. David Gordon John McLaw (?)

Maureen On reading the first pargraph I though Anne Orr may have been the house keeper to a widower - Matthew Hunter. But then reading the will, he has an wife plus Miss Ann Orr. Your woul dnot refer to your WIFE as Miss Ann Orr. It will be interesting to see what the outcome mihgt be. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "maureenoc" <maureenoc@bigpond.com> To: <nir-down-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] WILL HUNTER-ORR > Some years ago I obtained a transcript from PRONI of the will of my great > great grandfather MATTHEW HUNTER. It seems that after his death he left > the property to an ANN ORR, I was surprised at this as he had a son living > until 1912. Would anyone be researching the surname ORR as it is not > familiar to my family lines. Perhaps there is someone out there who has a > HUNTER-ORR connection. Regards. Maureen in Australia. > > 10th June 1864 Copy Will of Mathew Hunter > Received original will of which the within is a copy Nov 1856 > Public Record Office of Northern Ireland Transcript. > > I Matthew Hunter of Ravara parish of Killinchy County of Down farmer do > make this my last will and testament in manner of form following – 1st I > leave and bequeath to my dearly beloved wife all my freehold and chattel > property which I am possessed of from the townland of Ballygowan and > Ravarra together with any other property I may have of whatever nature or > kind or wheresoever to be found during her natural life. Miss Anne Orr who > now resides with me to assist her in the management of it during her life > and at her desire I leave and bequeath same property as before mentioned > to the said Miss Anne Orr to be at the said Miss Anne Orr’s disposal for > her own sale use and benefit and if she marries notwithstanding her > coverture I don’t allow her husband to have any control whatsoever over > said property and her receipt to be valid in law. > 2nd I appoint the said Anne Orr to be my sole executrix of this my last > will. > Signed sealed and to my knowledge as my last will and testament this 12th > day of June 1854 in presence of us who in presence of each other – Mathew > Hunter. > David Gordon > John McLaw (?) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, grandfather Thomas McALLISTER was born in the Ardoyne in Belfast 1899 in August, eighteen months late the family wasn't at the same address! I am desperate to find Thomas in the 1901 census with father Thomas and mother Jane. They were Catholic, so would anyone have any idea as to which part they may have ended up at. When grandfather was born they were living in Elmfield St, Belfast, but I am wondering whether they could have been visiting Jane's, née MURPHY, parents in Newry in 1901. The family are unable to be found in 1901. Jane was originally from Newry, the daughter of Terence and Mary Anne, and would be about 33, Thomas the father age is unknown. Anyone any ideas please? Regards, Michael McAllister

(Resending as the formatting of last post was poor) These are the McAllisters who signed at 100 Wellington Street in Glasgow, Scotland: **McAllister Thomas - Larne Co Antrim **McAllister Jane - 81 Charlotte Street Belfast McAllister Andrew - Belfast McAllister Robert - 134 Spamount Street Belfast McAllister Robert J - McAllisters Hotel Portrush Co Antrim McAllister William - Drumack, Broughshane Co Antrim McAllister William - M Lurgan Cullenboy Silverbridge McAllister Miller Agnes - Lurgancullenbouy Silverbridge P O Co Armagh -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stan Megraw Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:39 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McALLISTER name in Newry Hi Michael I don't know if this helps, but there is a Thomas and Jane McALLISTER who signed the 1912 Ulster Covenant at the same location in Glasgow, Scotland. They were the only McAllisters to sign in Scotland and both gave their home as being in N. Ireland. They may not necessarily be husband & wife (and parents of your Thomas) because they gave different addresses. It gives Thomas' address as "Larne Co Antrim" and Jane's as "81 Charlotte Street Belfast". On the other hand, could they have been in the process of moving, etc? Stan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I stand corrected. These are the McAllisters who signed at 100 Wellington Street in Glasgow, Scotland: **McAllister Thomas - Larne Co Antrim **McAllister Jane - 81 Charlotte Street Belfast McAllister Andrew - Belfast McAllister Robert - 134 Spamount Street Belfast McAllister Robert J - McAllisters Hotel Portrush Co Antrim McAllister William - Drumack, Broughshane Co Antrim McAllister William - M Lurgan Cullenboy Silverbridge McAllister Miller Agnes - Lurgancullenbouy Silverbridge P O Co Armagh -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stan Megraw Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:39 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McALLISTER name in Newry Hi Michael I don't know if this helps, but there is a Thomas and Jane McALLISTER who signed the 1912 Ulster Covenant at the same location in Glasgow, Scotland. They were the only McAllisters to sign in Scotland and both gave their home as being in N. Ireland. They may not necessarily be husband & wife (and parents of your Thomas) because they gave different addresses. It gives Thomas' address as "Larne Co Antrim" and Jane's as "81 Charlotte Street Belfast". On the other hand, could they have been in the process of moving, etc? Stan

Hi Michael I don't know if this helps, but there is a Thomas and Jane McALLISTER who signed the 1912 Ulster Covenant at the same location in Glasgow, Scotland. They were the only McAllisters to sign in Scotland and both gave their home as being in N. Ireland. They may not necessarily be husband & wife (and parents of your Thomas) because they gave different addresses. It gives Thomas' address as "Larne Co Antrim" and Jane's as "81 Charlotte Street Belfast". On the other hand, could they have been in the process of moving, etc? Stan -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mick Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:34 AM To: Down List Cc: N IR DOWN List Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McALLISTER name in Newry Hi List, grandfather Thomas McALLISTER was born in the Ardoyne in Belfast 1899 in August, eighteen months late the family wasn't at the same address! I am desperate to find Thomas in the 1901 census with father Thomas and mother Jane. They were Catholic, so would anyone have any idea as to which part they may have ended up at. When grandfather was born they were living in Elmfield St, Belfast, but I am wondering whether they could have been visiting Jane's, née MURPHY, parents in Newry in 1901. The family are unable to be found in 1901. Jane was originally from Newry, the daughter of Terence and Mary Anne, and would be about 33, Thomas the father age is unknown. Anyone any ideas please? Regards, Michael McAllister ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am wondering if Mrs. Hunter may have been disabled and unable to take care of the home and farm without help. Anne may have become a cherished member of the family and I am not going to conjecture what the relationships may have been. But the wife is credited with the decision to will the land toMiss Orr. Perhaps a sister but, if not a relative, I would expect that she was a caretaker of Mrs. Hunter as well as an assistant. But I am definitely conjecturing. I hope you find someone who knows and can share some family history with you. I think I like the man though. He certainly had a different way of going than was the norm. Judy In a message dated 2/2/2008 7:12:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: Maureen On reading the first pargraph I though Anne Orr may have been the house keeper to a widower - Matthew Hunter. But then reading the will, he has an wife plus Miss Ann Orr. Your woul dnot refer to your WIFE as Miss Ann Orr. It will be interesting to see what the outcome mihgt be. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "maureenoc" <maureenoc@bigpond.com> To: <nir-down-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] WILL HUNTER-ORR > Some years ago I obtained a transcript from PRONI of the will of my great > great grandfather MATTHEW HUNTER. It seems that after his death he left > the property to an ANN ORR, I was surprised at this as he had a son living > until 1912. Would anyone be researching the surname ORR as it is not > familiar to my family lines. Perhaps there is someone out there who has a > HUNTER-ORR connection. Regards. Maureen in Australia. > > 10th June 1864 Copy Will of Mathew Hunter > Received original will of which the within is a copy Nov 1856 > Public Record Office of Northern Ireland Transcript. > > I Matthew Hunter of Ravara parish of Killinchy County of Down farmer do > make this my last will and testament in manner of form following – 1st I > leave and bequeath to my dearly beloved wife all my freehold and chattel > property which I am possessed of from the townland of Ballygowan and > Ravarra together with any other property I may have of whatever nature or > kind or wheresoever to be found during her natural life. Miss Anne Orr who > now resides with me to assist her in the management of it during her life > and at her desire I leave and bequeath same property as before mentioned > to the said Miss Anne Orr to be at the said Miss Anne Orr’s disposal for > her own sale use and benefit and if she marries notwithstanding her > coverture I don’t allow her husband to have any control whatsoever over > said property and her receipt to be valid in law. > 2nd I appoint the said Anne Orr to be my sole executrix of this my last > will. > Signed sealed and to my knowledge as my last will and testament this 12th > day of June 1854 in presence of us who in presence of each other – Mathew > Hunter. > David Gordon > John McLaw (?) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Fiona, this page on Griffiths and the other census alternatives is excellent. The evolution of your Co Down site is remarkable. The amount of resources you have pulled together and the ease of navigating through them is terrific. Many thanks for all your efforts. Nan On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Fiona Jones wrote: > Anyone who wants to learn more about the use of Griffth's > Valuations should > take a look at the links on the following page: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/griffiths.htm > > > > Anyone with any info. to add please send it to me at > mourneminers@optonline.net > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Fiona. > > +++++++++++++++ > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for information on MARGARET MCEVOY, baptized Drumgooland (Ballymagreehan) Sept 14, 1839, daughter of JAMES MCEVOY & ANN RICE. The known following siblings died in Ballymagreehan: Hugh (my gG) died 1914 James Patrick died 1907 Rose, spinster, died 1925 Ellen, spinster, died, 1924 Parents died in Ballymagreehan James, 1868 and Ann, 1887 other siblings: Ann (bap Oct 10, 1842) and Bridget (bap feb 3 1844) Ann and Bridget were born in Durham Eng. All other children born in Ballymagreehan, Drumgooland. No further info on Ann or Bridget. Many thanks, Nan Brennan

Registrar's District Banbridge Marriages 8th Aug 1868 EDWARD DORAN, age 24, bleacher of CLarkhill, son of JAMES DORAN, farmer to CATHERINE KING, age 22 of Ballymagrehan, dau of BRYAN KING, farmer Witnesses: THOMAS SHIELS, MARGARET KING Leitrim Roman Çath Church, REV A.J. FINNEGAN 26 APRIL 1903 BERNARD DORAN, full age, farmer, of Ballymagreehan son of EDWARD DORAN (deceased) to ANNIE MCEVOY**, full age, of Ballymagreehan, daughter of MICHAEL MCEVOY, farmer Witnesses: JAMES MCEVOY & LUCY MCEVOY BALLYWARD RC CHURCH DRUMGOOLAND REV JOHN LOWRY NOTE: Annie McEvoy was my grandmother's (Lila) sister Michael McEvoy was my greatgrandfather, son of Lawrence Lucy McEvoy was also Annie's sister Annie's mother was Mary McCartan, b Ballymagenaghy source civil registration (Emerald Ancestors)

Added to my website, on the Kilkeel section. On the 18th May 1918 a German submarine sank some fishing boats off kilkeel, this is a bit about that event and a ballad composed by a Kilkeel man, the names of the boats and names of some of the crew members are mentioned, more information will be added about this event later on.and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I am new to this list. I am trying to trace family on my husband's maternal line. The only definite bits of information I have are 1. Robert Sands B13/3/1881. Baptised Parish of Donagheloney(?) District of Dromore Waringstown Church. Baptised 30/3/1881. Parents William ( Coachman) & Annie Sands. 2. Robert Sands , Age 30 , married Elizabeth Birnie in the Parish Church of Hitcham, County of Buckinghamshire on 29/12/1910, father is noted as William Sands, Labourer. One of the witnesses was William John Sands. The above information is taken from certificates held by the family in UK. Any suggestions as to how to proceed would be gratefully appreciated. Anne Oz

Yes Sarah, The more one examines old records the more respect one has for women, in this country (Australia) the pioneer women were the glue that held families together and so many of them were Irish emigrant women. If one looks at colonial records there they are, the old blokes, beards and all looking so imperious and important but the womenfolk were always in the background proping them up, keeping the house running, raising the children and a hundred and one other chores. The women of that era were really,quite remarkable and its only in more recent years that they are finally being recognized. At least in our system of record keeping both parents names were recorded on official birth registration documents and both parents are mentioned in baptismal records - mother's maiden name is noted. I guess we were lucky, as a young country we benefited from experience in the U.K. a man named Archer was the Civil Servant who we can all thank for setting up a comprehensive system which is still in use today. However, I say "Hail" the women of yesteryear, may your memory prevail and may God bless you all. James -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Martin Sent: 01 February 2008 15:16 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations I was born in Ireland 78 years ago, and going back several generations children were never registered to the mother. Women had no rights. If the father died, the land or whatever he had went to his sons, not to the wife or the daughters. The eldest son was more or less bound to house and care for his mother. I have many ancestors that I know for sure were mine because we were taught about them in the home, but you would never have found out from a birth certificate. Even on my great grandmother's children it gave the father only. I only knew of my female ancestors because my mother knew of them by word of mouth in the family. A few generations back from me it would say Father "so and so" but never who the mother was. It had nothing to to with property or money, just male chovenism. Sarah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:54 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Sandra, > You have surprised me with the suggestion that "In Ireland, illegitimate > children were registered with the mother's name..." > Is this typically so? > I know that Corry Somerville had a son and two daughters by Mary > Cunningham > in Cumry Lodge, Monaghan. I don't know about the girls, but I do know > that > a Corry Somerville, probable age, shows up in Belfast where family lore > suggested he went. > We have other members in the family (nobles seemed to like to do that sort > of thing!) wherein the 'natural' child was named for the father. One > example is James Quaile Somerville who had a legitimate son Marcus and an > illegitimate one "James Quaile Somerville". I only wish I knew the > mother's > name! > So I don't think the child was always registered to the mother... > Wendy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net> > To: "NIR-Down List" <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:57 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Survivors > > >> <<My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >>>>illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >>>>other >>>>Somervilles...>> >> >> In Ireland, illegitimate children were registered with the mother's >> surname. >> They could not take the father's name. I have ancestors in this >> situation. In Ireland they are recorded everywhere with the mother's >> surname of Davidson. Once they came to the United States, they "assumed" >> the father's surname, which was Woods. >> >> Sandra >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1254 - Release Date: 1/31/2008 8:30 PM

I have added 1901 census pages for Tullyframe & Lurganreagh townlands kilkeel CP and Drumreagh Upper townland Kilbroney CP. All can be reached via the lates updates link on my homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm my search engine has also been updated. Please visit my Guestbook and let me know if you find these pages useful. Regards Pete. Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

jane wiley married james dorman in co durham uk, no further findings after that date. jane was born in ierland comber co down , can anyone tell me if they returned to ireland to live and raise a family. tia shirley.

Any dates to help us out? Fiona ========= IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of shirleythompson@talktalk.net Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:45 PM To: ireland; ireland Subject: [NIR-DOWN] jane wiley jane wiley married james dorman in co durham uk, no further findings after that date. jane was born in ierland comber co down , can anyone tell me if they returned to ireland to live and raise a family. tia shirley. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was born in Ireland 78 years ago, and going back several generations children were never registered to the mother. Women had no rights. If the father died, the land or whatever he had went to his sons, not to the wife or the daughters. The eldest son was more or less bound to house and care for his mother. I have many ancestors that I know for sure were mine because we were taught about them in the home, but you would never have found out from a birth certificate. Even on my great grandmother's children it gave the father only. I only knew of my female ancestors because my mother knew of them by word of mouth in the family. A few generations back from me it would say Father "so and so" but never who the mother was. It had nothing to to with property or money, just male chovenism. Sarah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net>; <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:54 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > Sandra, > You have surprised me with the suggestion that "In Ireland, illegitimate > children were registered with the mother's name..." > Is this typically so? > I know that Corry Somerville had a son and two daughters by Mary > Cunningham > in Cumry Lodge, Monaghan. I don't know about the girls, but I do know > that > a Corry Somerville, probable age, shows up in Belfast where family lore > suggested he went. > We have other members in the family (nobles seemed to like to do that sort > of thing!) wherein the 'natural' child was named for the father. One > example is James Quaile Somerville who had a legitimate son Marcus and an > illegitimate one "James Quaile Somerville". I only wish I knew the > mother's > name! > So I don't think the child was always registered to the mother... > Wendy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra" <sgordon817@earthlink.net> > To: "NIR-Down List" <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:57 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Survivors > > >> <<My Brickwall is CORRY SOMERVILLE and his descendents. He was an >>>>illegitimate son of our grgrandpa Corry Somerville. And there are no >>>>other >>>>Somervilles...>> >> >> In Ireland, illegitimate children were registered with the mother's >> surname. >> They could not take the father's name. I have ancestors in this >> situation. In Ireland they are recorded everywhere with the mother's >> surname of Davidson. Once they came to the United States, they "assumed" >> the father's surname, which was Woods. >> >> Sandra >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Anyone who wants to learn more about the use of Griffth's Valuations should take a look at the links on the following page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/griffiths.htm Anyone with any info. to add please send it to me at mourneminers@optonline.net Good luck! Fiona. +++++++++++++++ IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm

I have only noticed MGR on Catholic marriages and have always assumed that it means 'Monsignor' - a title given to certain Catholic priests. See Collins English Dictionary. RosemaryJoan----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiona Jones" <mourneminers@optonline.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > MGR - I too have seen "MGR" added to records obtained from UHF > (ancestryireland) I have always taken it to mean that the ManaGeR had > added > a note to the record. I have emailed UHF to clarify these references but > I > have never received a response. I have seen it used to add a variety of > notes as in the example below: > > Field Value > Parish/ District KILKEEL > Date Of Birth 10/01/1842 > Date of Baptism 10/01/1842 > First name ELIZABETH ANNE > Surname DOYLE > Sex Female > Denomination Roman Catholic > Fathers Firstname > Fathers Surname DOYLE > Street > Townland Upper Mourne > Town Newry and Mourne > County CO Down > Misc > E [ELIZABETH = BESSY] MGR TWIN OF PETER REG 1A P 12 ENTRY NO 17. > > Fiona. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:12 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > > Maternal Grand Mother ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] illegitimate birth registrations > > >> Yes, I have run into this as well. Turns out, from someone researching >> for > >> us that if the marriage was annulled, and the woman re-married, and her >> children were baptized in the RC church their baptism was listed as >> "illegitimate" even though they were married when the children were >> born...and this continued through 4 sons and one daughter they had >> together, the last born in the US was not so listed. >> the notation on the bottom has this: >> Misc 10 0 ILLEGITIMATE MGR MOTHER'S >> SURNAME ALSO ENTERED IN THE REGISTER AS MURPHY. >> anyone know what a MGR is? >> out 2x's Great Grandmother was listed under her previous married name >> (Shaw) (which lasted -it looks like -less than a year) AND her maiden >> name > >> Murphy. >> This has been plaguing us a very long time. >> Anyone have any ideas on where I could look further? >> Brigitte >> >> Pssheila@aol.com wrote: >> I agree with Wendy on this one - I have seen numerous baptism records >> where >> the child has been given the fathers name but has been recorded as being >> illegitimate because the parents were not legitimately married. Both >> parents >> names are recorded and the child was recorded in the fathers name. I know >> of a >> few, also, where only the mothers name is recorded but the child was >> recorded >> in the fathers name!! >> >> Sheila >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Brigitte >> brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com >> www.marmionfamilytree.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All, I have some good news. Brigitte Marmion has set up a Co. Down Discussion Forum which can be linked to from: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm The Forum is for "a little discussion, a little sharing of all things related to County Down". It will be a great complement to this LIST allowing for the posting of files, photos, links etc. and gives us all a chance to continue in more depth some of the discussions that start on this LIST. It's also a great place to pose all those non-genealogy questions that relate to Co. Down such as "does anyone know a good pub/club/returant/hotel/guset house in Co. Down?" There are only three rules: #1-No advertising, this is a commercial free board. #2-Be gentle with language and with each other. #3-Have fun discussing past and present events in County Down So why not visit the forum and make your first posting! Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm