It seems that the sinking of the kilkeel fishing boats in 1918 by a German submarine has raised an old question about this incident among the local historians, that is the captain of the submarine speaking to one of the trawlers captains said he spent some time in Kilkeel before the war and mentioned some people he knew in that area, true or false?, has anyone from the Mourne area ever heard this story, i myself cannot believe this, a gentleman from England has contacted an old friend of mine in Kilkeel, he is trying to find the submarine captains name, can anyone help. Raymond stopped drinking 40 years ago, thinking of starting again

Dear Fiona; Would you please check the 1881 UK Census for my Rbt Hamilton, and John GInniff and families, if possible, please ? Tks, Jane -----Original Message----- From: Fiona Jones Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:31 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1881 Stray 1881 UK Census - Michael MORGAN Head M Male 24 Down County, Ireland Labourer Mary A. MORGAN Wife M Female 26 Down County, Ireland Margaret MORGAN Daur Female 7 Workington, Cumberland, England Scholar Mary A. MORGAN Daur Female 2 Workington, Cumberland, England Robert DEUVER Boarder U Male 24 Down County, Ireland Labourer Dwelling Lilly Hall Cottage Census Place Workington, Cumberland, England Family History Library Film 1342249 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio Fiona. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, this is a very long shot from Canada. Do you know of any GAW's in Newtownards that are or maybe interested in genealogy? This is my mothers line. Or is there any family research (OPC) center to contact for information? Thanks Gary James Searching the family lines of Bool, Brownen, Caldwell, Cove, Dunsmore, Gaw, Heydon, Hopkins, Humber, Hunt, Hutchings, James, Jarvis, Kirby, Lyndsay, McCutcheon, McHutcheon, Moulds, Richards, Rooks, Stevens, Sturmey and more. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lochcuan@aol.com<mailto:Lochcuan@aol.com> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com<mailto:nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Help to locat family in County Down Hi Ken, I live in Newtownards. Give me the name and I will look up the telephone directory. David

Hi Jason - all the information you need on Griffiths (and more) is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/griffiths.htm You may need to spend a bit of time reading through the links but it is worth getting an understanding of this census substitute. Good luck!! Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pearson Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:13 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] GRIFFITHS BASIS OF INFO The names in Griffiths upon what was the survey based? Are they the names soley of property owners? resident? or the merely the heads of each household in a specific parish or townland Thanks Jason Nan Brennan <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> wrote: Fiona, this page on Griffiths and the other census alternatives is excellent. The evolution of your Co Down site is remarkable. The amount of resources you have pulled together and the ease of navigating through them is terrific. Many thanks for all your efforts. Nan On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Fiona Jones wrote: > Anyone who wants to learn more about the use of Griffth's > Valuations should > take a look at the links on the following page: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/griffiths.htm > > > > Anyone with any info. to add please send it to me at > mourneminers@optonline.net > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Fiona. > > +++++++++++++++ > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The names in Griffiths upon what was the survey based? Are they the names soley of property owners? resident? or the merely the heads of each household in a specific parish or townland Thanks Jason Nan Brennan <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> wrote: Fiona, this page on Griffiths and the other census alternatives is excellent. The evolution of your Co Down site is remarkable. The amount of resources you have pulled together and the ease of navigating through them is terrific. Many thanks for all your efforts. Nan On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Fiona Jones wrote: > Anyone who wants to learn more about the use of Griffth's > Valuations should > take a look at the links on the following page: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/griffiths.htm > > > > Anyone with any info. to add please send it to me at > mourneminers@optonline.net > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Fiona. > > +++++++++++++++ > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

Nan The births on Emerald only go from 1865 to 1875 at the moment - they did say they would put some more on. The only earlier ones are those from Kilkeel baptisms. Sheila

Ken, The house you referred to was previously owned by a Robert James Neill as I understand. My cousin in Killyleagh knows it quite well. Gord On Feb 3, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Ktsc100@aol.com wrote: > > Hello David, > > The name is John Graham. The house is located at the intersection of > Killyleagh Rd. (A22) and Derryboye Rd. > > Thank you for your help. > > Ken T. > --------- > > In a message dated 2/3/2008 11:19:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Lochcuan@aol.com writes: > > Hi Ken, > > I live in Newtownards. Give me the name and I will look up the > telephone > directory. > > David > > > >

Maybe I have found her parents. There was a Margaret Doran married to John Rice in Drumgooland on 04 Aug 1893 per Emer.Anc. No death of a Margaret Rice in Drumgooland in 1901 or earlier, however. Did any of this connect for anyone? Thanks, Nan On Feb 3, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Nan Brennan wrote: > A little girl, Catherine Rice, age 6, was living with her widowed > grandmother, Catherine King Doran in Ballymagreehan in 1901. > Also living there was her aunt, single, Mary Doran age 23; her uncle > Bernard Doran,single age 28, and her great grandmother, > Sarah King, widowed age 87. (Sarah's husband was the deceased Bryan > King). > > Catherine King Doran's deceased husband was Arthur Doran, son of the > deceased James Doran of Clarkhill. > > Known children of Catherine King and Arthur Doran: > Bernard 1872 (married Annie McEvoy>1901<1911))--mygreat aunt. > Mary b 1878 (married "Boden>1901<1911) > Sarah b 1876 no further info > Margaret b 1869 no further info > possible child no 5--no info except possibility of existence (census > 1911 says Cath King had 5 children 2 living) > > Obviously by 1911 the only 2 surviving children of Cath King Doran > are Bernard Doran and Mary Boden. > Neither can be the parents of little Catherine Rice who is NOT with > her grandmother in 1911. > Little Catherine, born @1895 parents must have been mother named ? > Doran and father named ? Rice. > > Does anyone know the parents of Catherine Rice? Where she went to > live in 1911? > There is no record of birth for a Catherine Rice @1895 at Emerald > Ancestors. > > Any help appreciated, > Nan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

_http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard _name=Killaresy_ (http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Killaresy) In a message dated 2/3/2008 1:16:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Ktsc100@aol.com writes: Hello, Would a list member be able to help me locate the Killaresy Graveyard in the Killinchy area? If I could get the cross streets or street address and town name, perhaps I can pull up a Google map showing its location. Is it part of the Killinchy Presbyterian Graveyard or a separate place? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000 025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

1882- 1882 , Volume 56 3451 | Return of judicial rents fixed by Sub-Commissions and Civil Bill Courts, notified to Irish Land Commission, September - November 1882 http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/view?did=c1%3A257273 <http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/view?did=c1%3A257273&p=553&fp=500&lp=841& rp=1> &p=553&fp=500&lp=841&rp=1 Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm

A little girl, Catherine Rice, age 6, was living with her widowed grandmother, Catherine King Doran in Ballymagreehan in 1901. Also living there was her aunt, single, Mary Doran age 23; her uncle Bernard Doran,single age 28, and her great grandmother, Sarah King, widowed age 87. (Sarah's husband was the deceased Bryan King). Catherine King Doran's deceased husband was Arthur Doran, son of the deceased James Doran of Clarkhill. Known children of Catherine King and Arthur Doran: Bernard 1872 (married Annie McEvoy>1901<1911))--mygreat aunt. Mary b 1878 (married "Boden>1901<1911) Sarah b 1876 no further info Margaret b 1869 no further info possible child no 5--no info except possibility of existence (census 1911 says Cath King had 5 children 2 living) Obviously by 1911 the only 2 surviving children of Cath King Doran are Bernard Doran and Mary Boden. Neither can be the parents of little Catherine Rice who is NOT with her grandmother in 1911. Little Catherine, born @1895 parents must have been mother named ? Doran and father named ? Rice. Does anyone know the parents of Catherine Rice? Where she went to live in 1911? There is no record of birth for a Catherine Rice @1895 at Emerald Ancestors. Any help appreciated, Nan

Enhanced Parliamentary Papers on Ireland 1801 - 1922 involves the cataloguing and full-text digitisation of a selection of British Parliamentary papers taken from the University of Southampton's unique Ford Collection of Official Publications. http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/home Thanks to Nan Brennan for bringing this site to my attention. Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm

Hello, Would a list member be able to help me locate the Killaresy Graveyard in the Killinchy area? If I could get the cross streets or street address and town name, perhaps I can pull up a Google map showing its location. Is it part of the Killinchy Presbyterian Graveyard or a separate place? Thank you for your help. Ken T. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Hi Jane - you can find the full census for FREE at familysearch.org Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Remly Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:03 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1881 Stray Dear Fiona; Would you please check the 1881 UK Census for my Rbt Hamilton, and John GInniff and families, if possible, please ? Tks, Jane -----Original Message----- From: Fiona Jones Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:31 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1881 Stray 1881 UK Census - Michael MORGAN Head M Male 24 Down County, Ireland Labourer Mary A. MORGAN Wife M Female 26 Down County, Ireland Margaret MORGAN Daur Female 7 Workington, Cumberland, England Scholar Mary A. MORGAN Daur Female 2 Workington, Cumberland, England Robert DEUVER Boarder U Male 24 Down County, Ireland Labourer Dwelling Lilly Hall Cottage Census Place Workington, Cumberland, England Family History Library Film 1342249 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio Fiona. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Fiona I agree as well my cousin did not know it even exsisted so now she hooked as well .Just wish i knew how to find my ancestors . Keep up the good work Kind regards jean (Australia) On Feb 3, 2008 1:40 PM, Nan Brennan <nan.brennan@mindspring.com> wrote: > Fiona, this page on Griffiths and the other census alternatives > is excellent. The evolution of your Co Down site is remarkable. > The amount of resources you have pulled together and the ease of > navigating > through them is terrific. > > Many thanks for all your efforts. > > Nan > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Fiona Jones wrote: > > > Anyone who wants to learn more about the use of Griffth's > > Valuations should > > take a look at the links on the following page: > > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/griffiths.htm > > > > > > > > Anyone with any info. to add please send it to me at > > mourneminers@optonline.net > > > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > Fiona. > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > > > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > > > <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> > > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean

Hello David, The name is John Graham. The house is located at the intersection of Killyleagh Rd. (A22) and Derryboye Rd. Thank you for your help. Ken T. --------- In a message dated 2/3/2008 11:19:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, Lochcuan@aol.com writes: Hi Ken, I live in Newtownards. Give me the name and I will look up the telephone directory. David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Hi Ken, I live in Newtownards. Give me the name and I will look up the telephone directory. David

Hi, A few years ago, while in Northern Ireland, I made contact with the family that now owns the home built by my ancestor in the Killinchy area of County Down, Northern Ireland, but I have lost their address. I know their name and can describe the location of their property. Is there a list member that might be able to provide me with an address and telephone number for these folks. Please contact me oof list. Thank you for your help. Ken T. California **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

The Killaresy graveyard is attached to the ruins of an ancient R.C. church and is on the Killinchy Road a couple of miles NW of Killyleagh. Simmy Island lies just east of it. It is in the Townland of Toye. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ktsc100@aol.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Killaresy Graveyard > Hello, > > Would a list member be able to help me locate the Killaresy Graveyard in > the > Killinchy area? If I could get the cross streets or street address and > town > name, perhaps I can pull up a Google map showing its location. Is it > part > of the Killinchy Presbyterian Graveyard or a separate place? > > Thank you for your help. > > Ken T. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I posted a bit of information about the Kilkeel fishing boats being sunk by a German submarine during WW1, Brigitte Marmion kindlly sent me information on another ship sunk by the Germans in the Irish sea during WW1. more information has come in from a lot of other good people and i have put it up on my website, in the Kilkeel section. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com