There are a lot of pitfalls in Irish names which were anglicised to a great extent. Dromore/Drumore/Drimore meant great ridge in Irish and there are about 24000 townland, towns and villages in Ireland which begin with variatins of drom, etc. There is the town of Dromore which is between Banbridge and Lisburn but also a townland in Warrenpoint with the same name. In the 18th.C there were large waves of emigration either due to crop failures, rack rents or to heavy taxes placed by England on Irish woollen goods. Another major factor was the Test Act which was used to place loyal Presbyterian on the same level of disability with the Roman Catholics. Presbyterian ministers were turned out of their pulpits or threatened. Since they no longer had official standing marriages they performed were not legal. Presbyterians had to choose between their office or their conscience. Presbyterian disenters could not teach school. The children of all Protestants not married in the Established Church were regarded as bastards and many Presbyterians were even prosecuted in the bishops' courts as fornicators for cohabiting with their own wives. This religious persecution was for many the last straw and people were easily persuaded to go to America. In 1717 crops were ruined by drought for the fourth year in a row and ships were charted, groups were organised and property sold. There were more waves of emigration in 1717-18, 1725-9, 1740-41, 1754-55 and 1771-75 from the North of Ireland. The result of this was that when the American Revolution began there were no more ardent people wishing to throw off England's yoke than the Ulster-Scot Presbyterians and these tough, hardy men formed at least a third of George Washington's army. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co., PA is based on DROMORE,COUNTY DOWN, NIR > >From the Boyd list there was this little bit of information > > "Since they misspelled the name you may have missed this, but did you know > that DRUMORE Township is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR ?? > > Drumore Township is an original township in 1729. > > What's got Boyd implications is that you have three Donegal townships > (Raphoe, Donegal, Bart); one Derry township (Colerain); and one Down > township > (Dromore). > > I wonder who brought over the County Down place name. Do we have a Boyd > family near there in Ireland?" > > However, in 1729 Drumore would have been in Chester County, PA in eastern > PA > on the border with Maryland. > > Does anyone on this list know of this migration in 1729 of people from > Dromore? > > Save this weblink (especially if you deal with Lancaster County) and you > have my source: > _http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html_ > (http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html) > > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I read Lester's request for help my initial response was go see - go play -go enjoy -and save research for the next trip which I am sure you will want to take after going once. There is so much that is wonderful in all of Ireland to see and do and learn and love that I find research there the hardest I have ever done. The one exception I would make is graveyards. They are great and the way folks there are remembered in death is a must see. If you have names of folk who are related, and or names of townlands or street addresses from the past you might want to try checking some of them out. But in general I find that research takes over or enjoying your new environment takes over and it is so hard to do both on your initial trip unless you have had a lot of time to prepare ahead and know pretty much what you are looking for. Now I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't know that many on the list will give you some real help. I am here to make you feel better if you fail to use their help or spend your time in dusty tomes. Judy In a message dated 2/10/2008 4:04:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, KPagape@aol.com writes: Congratulations! How lucky are you? I would suggest PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland) List, please correct me if I'm wrong on that! I could kick myself for not getting over there when I was in Belfast in June. Next time though, I'm going to spend several days there. I'm told that you should have all your ducks in a row before you go. Make sure you know exactly what you want to look up as to not waste any precious time while you are there. Have fun! Northern Ireland is the most incredible place I've ever been! Love, Kathy In a message dated 2/10/2008 2:51:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lcg112@gmail.com writes: Hello all, My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her to Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest possibilities for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Lester Lester C Griel III BS, RN Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing 307G Health and Human Development East 814-867-0541 Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade and Showalter surnames. 814-883-6552 Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Theodore Seuss Giesel Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth R. Hendre ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' We are........ Penn State! -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh Hi All. I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel area. If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I have anything that will help. Fiona. ====== IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000 025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

I forgot to add a big thank you for thinking about me! That was very sweet. Love, Kathy In a message dated 2/10/2008 4:02:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, KPagape@aol.com writes: There must be some confusion. I haven't found my husband's birth mother yet. I actually hired a company to do some research on her and they are having a hard time too. I did find out that she was married at 18 to another man and then had my husband with my husband's biological father (scandal!) and then married my husband's biological father at 20 years old. That's all they've found so far. They have me doing a "Book Read" online (I'm doing it because I didn't want to pay megabucks to have someone else do it) but its all the "delayed births" in Texas from 1850 to 1940! 19,000 pages! I've been doing it a little at a time and there are about 100 names on each page. I'm on page 3500 right now (so I should be done by Christmas LOL) We know that she was born in Texas, but the researcher thinks that my husband's biological mother's birth name was not Lattie but something else. They think that she was "given" the name Lattie for some reason like her biological dad left, or died and her mother remarried and just changed her name to Lattie. The researcher checked all the legal adoptions across the country and there was nothing for Joan Rebecca Lattie, so they are assuming that its not her "birth name." That's why I'm looking through the list of delayed births. This is a list of people who maybe weren't born in a hospital or didn't get around to filing a birth certificate on the day or week that their child was born. This program that I'm using is very interesting. Unfortunately the "read" that I'm doing is not "interesting" but its a great database if any of you have anyone you're looking for that ended up in Texas. I have access to every birth that was registered from 1850 to 1948. (in every county) I'd be glad to look anything up for anyone. I would welcome the break in the "read" that I'm doing. Something tells me that I'm going to go through 19,000 pages with 100 names on each page (typed with a typewriter) and am not going to find her. That will make me GREATLY disappointed! In a message dated 2/10/2008 3:35:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, stevensons@odyssey.on.ca writes: Hi Kathy, Some of us are patiently awaiting news of your contact with your husband's birth mother.......how did it go? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <KPagape@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > Congratulations! How lucky are you? > I would suggest PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland) > List, please correct me if I'm wrong on that! > I could kick myself for not getting over there when I was in Belfast in > June. Next time though, I'm going to spend several days there. I'm told > that > you should have all your ducks in a row before you go. Make sure you > know > exactly what you want to look up as to not waste any precious time while > you are > there. > Have fun! Northern Ireland is the most incredible place I've ever been! > > Love, > Kathy > > > In a message dated 2/10/2008 2:51:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > lcg112@gmail.com writes: > > Hello all, > My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her > to > Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest > possibilities > for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. > Lester > > Lester C Griel III BS, RN > Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing > 307G Health and Human Development East > 814-867-0541 > Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University > Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com > Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania > Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 > Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade > and Showalter surnames. > 814-883-6552 > Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net > "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > matter > and those who matter don't mind." > – Theodore Seuss Giesel > Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth > R. > Hendre > > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ > (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' > (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' > > We are........ > Penn State! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fiona Jones > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh > > Hi All. > > > > I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel > area. > If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I > have > anything that will help. > > > > Fiona. > > ====== > > > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000 025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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There must be some confusion. I haven't found my husband's birth mother yet. I actually hired a company to do some research on her and they are having a hard time too. I did find out that she was married at 18 to another man and then had my husband with my husband's biological father (scandal!) and then married my husband's biological father at 20 years old. That's all they've found so far. They have me doing a "Book Read" online (I'm doing it because I didn't want to pay megabucks to have someone else do it) but its all the "delayed births" in Texas from 1850 to 1940! 19,000 pages! I've been doing it a little at a time and there are about 100 names on each page. I'm on page 3500 right now (so I should be done by Christmas LOL) We know that she was born in Texas, but the researcher thinks that my husband's biological mother's birth name was not Lattie but something else. They think that she was "given" the name Lattie for some reason like her biological dad left, or died and her mother remarried and just changed her name to Lattie. The researcher checked all the legal adoptions across the country and there was nothing for Joan Rebecca Lattie, so they are assuming that its not her "birth name." That's why I'm looking through the list of delayed births. This is a list of people who maybe weren't born in a hospital or didn't get around to filing a birth certificate on the day or week that their child was born. This program that I'm using is very interesting. Unfortunately the "read" that I'm doing is not "interesting" but its a great database if any of you have anyone you're looking for that ended up in Texas. I have access to every birth that was registered from 1850 to 1948. (in every county) I'd be glad to look anything up for anyone. I would welcome the break in the "read" that I'm doing. Something tells me that I'm going to go through 19,000 pages with 100 names on each page (typed with a typewriter) and am not going to find her. That will make me GREATLY disappointed! In a message dated 2/10/2008 3:35:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, stevensons@odyssey.on.ca writes: Hi Kathy, Some of us are patiently awaiting news of your contact with your husband's birth mother.......how did it go? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <KPagape@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > Congratulations! How lucky are you? > I would suggest PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland) > List, please correct me if I'm wrong on that! > I could kick myself for not getting over there when I was in Belfast in > June. Next time though, I'm going to spend several days there. I'm told > that > you should have all your ducks in a row before you go. Make sure you > know > exactly what you want to look up as to not waste any precious time while > you are > there. > Have fun! Northern Ireland is the most incredible place I've ever been! > > Love, > Kathy > > > In a message dated 2/10/2008 2:51:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > lcg112@gmail.com writes: > > Hello all, > My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her > to > Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest > possibilities > for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. > Lester > > Lester C Griel III BS, RN > Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing > 307G Health and Human Development East > 814-867-0541 > Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University > Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com > Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania > Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 > Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade > and Showalter surnames. > 814-883-6552 > Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net > "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > matter > and those who matter don't mind." > – Theodore Seuss Giesel > Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth > R. > Hendre > > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ > (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' > (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' > > We are........ > Penn State! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fiona Jones > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh > > Hi All. > > > > I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel > area. > If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I > have > anything that will help. > > > > Fiona. > > ====== > > > > IGP Co. 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Linda, Just to clarify, I don't know if Kathy did find her, but had a good lead. Kathy touched our hearts before Christmas, and I just wanted to remind her that we care! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Holley" <ljholley@comcast.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > My Goodness! How did I miss this event. Someone, please let me know the > latest details and how Kathy found her. > > Linda > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> >> Hi Kathy, >> Some of us are patiently awaiting news of your contact with your >> husband's >> birth mother.......how did it go? >> Wendy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <KPagape@aol.com> >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland >> >> >> > Congratulations! How lucky are you? >> > I would suggest PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland) >> > List, please correct me if I'm wrong on that! >> > I could kick myself for not getting over there when I was in Belfast in >> > June. Next time though, I'm going to spend several days there. I'm >> > told >> > that >> > you should have all your ducks in a row before you go. Make sure you >> > know >> > exactly what you want to look up as to not waste any precious time >> > while >> > you are >> > there. >> > Have fun! Northern Ireland is the most incredible place I've ever >> > been! >> > >> > Love, >> > Kathy >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 2/10/2008 2:51:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> > lcg112@gmail.com writes: >> > >> > Hello all, >> > My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany >> > her >> > to >> > Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest >> > possibilities >> > for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any >> > assistance. >> > Lester >> > >> > Lester C Griel III BS, RN >> > Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing >> > 307G Health and Human Development East >> > 814-867-0541 >> > Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University >> > Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com >> > Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, >> > Pennsylvania >> > Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 >> > Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, >> > Espenshade >> > and Showalter surnames. >> > 814-883-6552 >> > Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net >> > "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't >> > matter >> > and those who matter don't mind." >> > â?" Theodore Seuss Giesel >> > Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from >> > danger. -Kenneth >> > R. >> > Hendre >> > >> > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ >> > (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) >> > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' >> > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' >> > (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' >> > >> > We are........ >> > Penn State! >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> > On Behalf Of Fiona Jones >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM >> > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh >> > >> > Hi All. >> > >> > >> > >> > I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel >> > area. >> > If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I >> > have >> > anything that will help. >> > >> > >> > >> > Fiona. >> > >> > ====== >> > >> > >> > >> > IGP Co. 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Hi Kathy, Some of us are patiently awaiting news of your contact with your husband's birth mother.......how did it go? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <KPagape@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > Congratulations! How lucky are you? > I would suggest PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland) > List, please correct me if I'm wrong on that! > I could kick myself for not getting over there when I was in Belfast in > June. Next time though, I'm going to spend several days there. I'm told > that > you should have all your ducks in a row before you go. Make sure you > know > exactly what you want to look up as to not waste any precious time while > you are > there. > Have fun! Northern Ireland is the most incredible place I've ever been! > > Love, > Kathy > > > In a message dated 2/10/2008 2:51:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > lcg112@gmail.com writes: > > Hello all, > My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her > to > Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest > possibilities > for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. > Lester > > Lester C Griel III BS, RN > Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing > 307G Health and Human Development East > 814-867-0541 > Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University > Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com > Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania > Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 > Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade > and Showalter surnames. > 814-883-6552 > Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net > "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > matter > and those who matter don't mind." > – Theodore Seuss Giesel > Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth > R. > Hendre > > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ > (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' > (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' > > We are........ > Penn State! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fiona Jones > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh > > Hi All. > > > > I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel > area. > If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I > have > anything that will help. > > > > Fiona. > > ====== > > > > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > > Author of Miners of Mourne > > <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> > http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1070&enc=1> Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957 about John McConville Name: John McConville Arrival Date: 10 May 1930 Birth Date: 7 Feb ??03 Birthplace: Cleocack County Down N Ireland Birth Country: N Ireland Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_58 Fiona. ====== IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm

In message <d4b.2168077e.34e01632@aol.com> Pssheila@aol.com wrote: You are right Sheila, I was away with the fairies when I wrote that. My McGuinness's also came from Dundrum in Co Down. Thankyou for pointing that out to me. cheers Bev > Hello Bev > Castlebellingham is not, I'm afraid, in Co. Down - it is in County Louth > which is in the Republic of Ireland. If you are sure about the Co. > Down bit, do > you mean Castlewellan??? > Sheila > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/

Congratulations! How lucky are you? I would suggest PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland) List, please correct me if I'm wrong on that! I could kick myself for not getting over there when I was in Belfast in June. Next time though, I'm going to spend several days there. I'm told that you should have all your ducks in a row before you go. Make sure you know exactly what you want to look up as to not waste any precious time while you are there. Have fun! Northern Ireland is the most incredible place I've ever been! Love, Kathy In a message dated 2/10/2008 2:51:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lcg112@gmail.com writes: Hello all, My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her to Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest possibilities for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Lester Lester C Griel III BS, RN Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing 307G Health and Human Development East 814-867-0541 Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade and Showalter surnames. 814-883-6552 Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Theodore Seuss Giesel Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth R. Hendre ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' We are........ Penn State! -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh Hi All. I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel area. If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I have anything that will help. Fiona. ====== IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Hello all, My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her to Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest possibilities for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Lester Lester C Griel III BS, RN Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing 307G Health and Human Development East 814-867-0541 Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade and Showalter surnames. 814-883-6552 Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Theodore Seuss Giesel Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth R. Hendre   ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._    (`6_ 6  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)     (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'         _..`--'_..-_/  /--'_.' ,'               (il),-''  (li),'  ((!.-'   We are........ Penn State! -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:19 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] McVeigh/McVea/McVeagh Hi All. I have just completed some research on the name McVeigh in the Kilkeel area. If anyone is researching this name drop me an email and I'll see if I have anything that will help. Fiona. ====== IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a little reminder to keep checking back on your old favorite sites such as our friend Raymonds at http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com <http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> There is always new information being added. Fiona. ========= IGP Co. Down Coordinator <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm

In message <47AE8E04.4020404@sbcglobal.net> Peter McGuinness <pmcguinness@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hello Peter The McGuinness's came to Australia in 1859. Our branch from Co Monaghan. That branch originated in Castlebellingham, Co Down. I have just joined this list for the first time. We are holding 150 years in Oz next April. We did it in 1999 and had a good roll up. regards Bev > Hello Bev, > Do you have any other information on your branch, such as dates of > emigration, etc? > My own branch moved over to northern england in the 1890s and eventually > settled in Durham; my own research points to an ancestry based in > burrenreagh, kilcoo. I have some pointers for further research from the > experts on this list but up 'til now have not followed them. > Peter > Bev wrote: >> Seeking any information on the McGuinness family in Co. Down. There is >> a branch here in Australia. >> >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/

Hi, Does anyone have information on these families that came form County Down in the mid 1800s and settled first in northern Kentucky or southern Ohio. Charles Stewart Harper Murdock Woodsides Ken T. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Hi, Does anyone have a William McGuinness from County Down that was in Arkansas in 1850 and came by wagon train to California in 1853. Ken T. ======== In a message dated 2/10/2008 1:13:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, bev@denmarkwa.com.au writes: In message <d4b.2168077e.34e01632@aol.com> Pssheila@aol.com wrote: You are right Sheila, I was away with the fairies when I wrote that. My McGuinness's also came from Dundrum in Co Down. Thankyou for pointing that out to me. cheers Bev > Hello Bev > Castlebellingham is not, I'm afraid, in Co. Down - it is in County Louth > which is in the Republic of Ireland. If you are sure about the Co. > Down bit, do > you mean Castlewellan??? > Sheila > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

I have just uploaded the latest 1901 census provided by Sheila Phillips. The files are for: Ballynahatton , Ballmageough, Dunnaman, Dunnaval , Tullyframe, Lurganreagh and Harbour Road. Also more Memorials: Donaghcloney: [WARING FAMILY]: Bangor & Dromore [Bishop PERCY] To view these go to the IGP Archives url under my add and click on Down and then Census or Cemetery. **We are looking for headstone photos and other documents to add. Drop me a line if you have something to share. Christina chrisnina@gmail.com Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/

Is anyone researching folk from here? My grgrgrandpa Corry Somerville's mother was Eliza Bellingham from Castlebellingham. Her brother who became Sir Alan, was not a nice man! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev" <bev@denmarkwa.com.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] McGuinness > In message <d4b.2168077e.34e01632@aol.com> > Pssheila@aol.com wrote: > You are right Sheila, I was away with the fairies when I wrote that. > My McGuinness's also came from Dundrum in Co Down. > Thankyou for pointing that out to me. > cheers > Bev >> Hello Bev > >> Castlebellingham is not, I'm afraid, in Co. Down - it is in County Louth >> which is in the Republic of Ireland. If you are sure about the Co. >> Down bit, do >> you mean Castlewellan??? > >> Sheila > > > > > >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Bev McGuinness, > Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 > Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 > Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I am hoping someone has access to the Irish databases. I am trying to sort out my PHILLIPS line in Ireland. I would like to know where they were from. Not sure if they were from county Down, Armagh or from Belfast. I think they followed the Irish naming convention. I would appreciate any assistance I can get. These are the facts that I know: PHILIPS, Philip Marriage Wife: Mary CHAPMAN Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1855 Recorded in: Newry, Armagh, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: William PHILIPS (linen manufacturer) Wife's Father: John CHAPMAN Source: FHL Film 101369 Philip Marmen Phillips born 1832 Mary (nee Chapman) Phillips born 1833 In 1857 they moved to Liverpool, Philip worked as a warehouseman for John Marmion William J Phillips born 1856 (Ireland – census says he was born in Belfast) Anne L Phillips born 1858 (100 Dale St, Liverpool) John C Phillips born 1860 Hugh Phillips born 1862 Mary Ann Phillips born 1864 Thank you in advance, Bob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking any information on the McGuinness family in Co. Down. There is a branch here in Australia. -- Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/

Hello Bev Castlebellingham is not, I'm afraid, in Co. Down - it is in County Louth which is in the Republic of Ireland. If you are sure about the Co. Down bit, do you mean Castlewellan??? Sheila

Thank you, Mary!! I will watch for your email. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda >I will be away from home for a week, after that I will look among the > Thompson Family, > ( connected to my PHAIR & FINLAY families,) & look for a suitable John > Thompson. > The HAMPTON, HAMITON, PHAIR & FINLAY families, are my direct lines, > however, there are also , from Nth Ireland, ENGLISH, THOMPSON, > McCONAGHTY > & McCABE names who link to my own families. > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ann Martin > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2008 4:13 p.m. > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda > > As far as I know, my Ethelinda did not leave Ireland. Her son and > daughter > came to USA but she could have had other relatives go to NZ--I do not > know. > The name is unusual and therefore I have tried to check out her instead of > her common named husband, John Thompson.--It is a brickwall if ever there > was one in my line--I really appreciate your help and I will save this > info > in case I can connect to it. Thanks so much!! Ann from Idaho > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda > > >> Hello Ann, >> When we had Provinces, Otago was down at the South East corner of the >> South >> Island of New Zealand. Dunedin is the main city, used to be known as the >> Edinburgh of the South, originally settled by a large number of Scots. >> >> The area is still there, of course, but, for some reason they are now not >> called Provinces. >> >> I was looking for a Finlay / Ranger connection, which was how I noticed >> the >> name. >> >> Mary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Ann Martin >> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2008 3:19 p.m. >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda >> >> Thank you for the message! I am sorry but I do not know where the Otago >> area is. Could you help me out? I am sorry I didn't answer this sooner, >> but I have been away from home. Ann >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda >> >> >>> Ann, >>> I posted another couple of e mails, however, it seems I was not >>> subscribed >>> to the list, they may yet appear, however, the info' I now have, >>> supersedes >>> those messages. >>> >>> Ethelinda Mairs HARRISON married 1922, William James RANGER. >>> She seems to have come from the middle of the North Island. >>> She died age 26 yrs, in 1930, in , I think, the Otago area. >>> >>> There is no way of telling what her background was. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Ann Martin >>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2008 8:07 p.m. >>> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda >>> >>> Mary--was it connected to a Thompson or Hamilton?? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> >>> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:44 PM >>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda >>> >>> >>>> Fiona, >>>> The name Ethelinda, written as that, just popped up, today while >>>> researching >>>> some New Zealand material. >>>> It was among some later 1800's names . >>>> Was not looking for it, just happened to notice as I scrolled >>>> downwards. >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney >>>> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 3:36 p.m. >>>> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ethelinda >>>> >>>> Compound names were frequently used in past centuries. In Ireland we >>>> commonly find Maryanna and Maryann, Marijane rather than Mary Jane and >>>> so >>>> on. I think it was just the fashion or to have a name which wasn't >>>> "common". > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message