Hi Sam, My Murdocks and related families and friends with other names came from the Killinchy area of County Down around the 1850s. Some settled in Arkansas and others on both sides of the Kentucky/Ohio border. In 1853 many of them formed up a wagon train and crossed the plains to California with a herd of cattle. I am trying to find more information about the migration by researching the families with names other than Murdock hoping to find a journal or history of the wagon train trip, but am not having much luck. Also looking for any information about their trip to this country and what other families might have helped them settle when they first arrived here. I am not aware of any Murdochs that were part of my family that settled in Chicago. Ken T ============= In a message dated 2/11/2008 5:50:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, sgmurdock@dsl.pipex.com writes: Hi Ken I know of Murdochs from Co.Down who settled in Chicago in the late 1800's I'd be interested in seeing your Murdock info to see if maybe some link regards Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ktsc100@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Names from County Down > > Hi, > > Does anyone have information on these families that came form County Down > in > the mid 1800s and settled first in northern Kentucky or southern Ohio. > > Charles Stewart > Harper > Murdock > Woodsides > > Ken T. > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

The GRO is for the Republic, PRONI for Northern Ireland. Diane

Hi Ella ~ So there is a GRONI and a GROIreland? Not being from the area certainly has its disadvantages. I have received several marriage and/or death records from GRO Ireland for family in County Down - I hope they are accurate! Thanks for setting me straight. Roxanne Neel California, USA Ella Patterson wrote: >You will need to look at the website > >http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm > >to get details for the Northern Ireland General Register office. It is in the Centre of Belfast and easily accessible. If you want to spend a half day using indexes or have a search (both have a charge) it is a good idea to book in advance via the web site as they can get quite busy and are primarily a Government Office rather than a genealogical centre >Ella > >Ella Patterson >Cataloguer >Cataloguing Department >Main Library >Resources Management Division >The Queen's University of Belfast >University Square >Belfast >BT7 1LS >Northern Ireland > >Tele: +44 28 90973639 >Email: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne Neel >Sent: 12 February 2008 16:16 >To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > >The address I have for the General Register Office is Convent Road, >Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Tel: (090)663-2900, LoCall: 1890 252076, >website: www.groireland.ie. This information was included when they >sent me records. >Best Wishes! >Roxanne > > > > >

"MANY" messages can and should remove the initial messages. We in Australia normally have a quota of space from the provider, so do not want a lot of repeat messages. I assume that most lists have:- "> Can't recall what the beginning of a thread was? Subscribe mid-discussion? > Visit the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=boyd" I would assume that the NIR-DOWN list would replace Boyd in the above with "NIR-DOWN" So please members show some judgement and delete unneseccary messages in your replies. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLCHAPPELL@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Responding to messages > Sorry to disagree. Quite often it helps to keep the thread going if you > have > deleted the original and didn't realize there really was a pertinent > connection with your own interests. > > > In a message dated 2/10/2008 8:18:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > gmt.bc@shaw.ca writes: > > Sorry to ask, but could those responding please not copy every message > attached each time.

Do you if y of the Rooney/Roney in the area originally from the Kilkeel area? Fiona ===== IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of william.gordon1@att.net Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:40 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN re Roneys orange orders etc I have done Rooney/Roney research in Cleator Moor. If I can share anything or assist let me know. I still have a few questions myself Bill -------------- Original message from Carolgriff@aol.com: -------------- > Hi > > My Irish families were in Cleator Moor area of Cumberland and I do know that > there was lots of unrest between protestant and catholic- riots etc, There > was an orange lodge in the Whitehaven area as an orange order march took place > 12 july 1884 by the Cumberland orange order, during the ensuing riot a > policeman was shot and killed. Weapons including revolvers swords sabres and > pikes > were found. There were also other incidents sparked off by various events. > I got this from cleator moor revealed- a book by Tom Duffy. > > No mention of any Roneys from memory- I have Roneys too and have looked at > your family on census returns many a time:) > > I'll have a proper read tonight incase Ive missed anything - work first > mores the pity. > > carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My late wife's Duncan's from Killybegs, Southern Donegal had a story of rowing to church in Scotland. (I do not think they were then living in Donegal) A few years ago I was shown on the Web the 1795 or 1840's Statistical Return for Portpatrick. Wigtonshire in Scotland when the Minister said that some 500 people rowed across for Sunday service. I can't recall if the report said where they came from. I could only assume from County Down. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR > It must have been very difficult for the Presbyterians as we have oral > family history that tells of our Johnston family being forced to become C > of > I in Ireland, but when it came to baptisms, marriages, etc. they actually > went back to Scotland to have a second and Presbyterian ceremony > performed. > When I first came across this story I was amazed and somewhat in > disbelief; > however, when the story came from a distant second and a third source it > made a believer out of me. > > Cliff. Johnston

The address I have for the General Register Office is Convent Road, Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Tel: (090)663-2900, LoCall: 1890 252076, website: www.groireland.ie. This information was included when they sent me records. Best Wishes! Roxanne Mike Boyd wrote: >Lester >Youn will need to go to PRONI (66 Balmoral Street) - it is in the south >area of Belfast access by train or bus. You will need to look at both the >Card Index and the online Index. (Online you should look at now, but that >does not have as much items as the old card index. So when you arrive you >will need to have an number of items to place orders for. They take more >than an hour to get. Thursday night it stays open until 8.45 pm I think. >So allow 2 or 3 days for PRONI alone. (Email is proni@dcalni.gov.uk) > >Then you have Linenhall Library on the north side of the City Square > >I assume that you will also need to check out the General Register Office >(sorry do not have an address) > >City Hall may also be able to give you Cemetery records > >You may also know which church they went to as well for any records there. > >There should be an family history group in Belfast that you try to find >before you go. > >These are some of the places you need to go to. > >Public transport is quite OK. Mostly buses but you can use the Trains as >well. > >There is an tourist Office opposite the City Hall. If you can find them on >the web, you should make you booking soon as if you are going during the >summer. > >Last September I stayed at a B&B hotel near Queens University for about 45 >pound a night but you may wish to say out of the city along one of the three >main railway lines, to Bangor, Lisburn or Carrickfergus which should be >cheaper but you lose time travelling - depending on the distance you are >out. > >Mike Boyd >Brisbane > >PS >write out your family tree and list the things you wish to find or are >looking for. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lester C Griel III" <lcg112@gmail.com> >To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:50 AM >Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > > >Hello all, >My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her to >Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest possibilities >for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. >Lester > >Lester C Griel III BS, RN > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thanks to another kind soul from Northern Ireland, I was able to find more great info the other day on Raymond's terrific site! With Much Appreciation to ALL! Roxanne Fiona Jones wrote: >Just a little reminder to keep checking back on your old favorite sites such >as our friend Raymonds at > > > >http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com ><http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> > > > >There is always new information being added. > > > >Fiona. > >========= > > > > > >IGP Co. Down Coordinator > > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm > >Author of Miners of Mourne > > <http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm> >http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hello List There seems to be a bit of a peak in rejected messages which appear to be for two reasons. First, the email address that you post with must match the email address that you are subscribed with. In some cases I can search on part of an email address and identify where an ISP has changed in which case I can quickly change your subscribed address. However if I cannot do this and you get the standard message then you may need to contact me off the list to try and get a fix. Second, there is a size limit on messages which can be sent to the list. A plain text message is unlikely to exceed the limit however HTML formatted messages and attempting to embbed or attach files to your message will cause a problem. I am sending this to the list as it is apparent from the rejected messages that the senders are reading the list and responding to messages. I assume that having their own messages rejected is proving frustrating. Lisa NIR-DOWN List Administrator

In message <021120082202.11120.47B0C6050006E6F300002B702205884484970A0 40401080604@comcast.net> ljholley@comcast.net (Linda Holley) wrote: Don't know if you saw Billy Connolly's tour of Ireland but he said that there was a brick wall in the ground dividing the protestants and catholics in the cemetery in Belfast. As he said 'What did they think they were going to do? And Chrisianity was the common religion! Bev > I know this may sound extremely dumb on my part but what vast > differences were there in the two religions that would have made > someone think they needed to have a second ceremony? > Linda > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> >> It must have been very difficult for the Presbyterians as we have oral >> family history that tells of our Johnston family being forced to become C of >> I in Ireland, but when it came to baptisms, marriages, etc. they actually >> went back to Scotland to have a second and Presbyterian ceremony performed. >> When I first came across this story I was amazed and somewhat in disbelief; >> however, when the story came from a distant second and a third source it >> made a believer out of me. >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> "May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on >> DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR >> >> >>> THANK YOU HUGH! >>> this marriage info answers quite alot of questions...did this practice >>> continue into the early 1800's as well? >>> >>> Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> There are a lot of pitfalls in Irish names which were anglicised to a >>> great >>> extent. Dromore/Drumore/Drimore meant great ridge in Irish and there are >>> about 24000 townland, towns and villages in Ireland which begin with >>> variatins of drom, etc. There is the town of Dromore which is between >>> Banbridge and Lisburn but also a townland in Warrenpoint with the same >>> name. >>> In the 18th.C there were large waves of emigration either due to crop >>> failures, rack rents or to heavy taxes placed by England on Irish woollen >>> goods. Another major factor was the Test Act which was used to place loyal >>> Presbyterian on the same level of disability with the Roman Catholics. >>> Presbyterian ministers were turned out of their pulpits or threatened. >>> Since >>> they no longer had official standing marriages they performed were not >>> legal. Presbyterians had to choose between their office or their >>> conscience. >>> Presbyterian disenters could not teach school. The children of all >>> Protestants not married in the Established Church were regarded as >>> bastards >>> and many Presbyterians were even prosecuted in the bishops' courts as >>> fornicators for cohabiting with their own wives. This religious >>> persecution >>> was for many the last straw and people were easily persuaded to go to >>> America. In 1717 crops were ruined by drought for the fourth year in a row >>> and ships were charted, groups were organised and property sold. There >>> were >>> more waves of emigration in 1717-18, 1725-9, 1740-41, 1754-55 and 1771-75 >>> from the North of Ireland. The result of this was that when the American >>> Revolution began there were no more ardent people wishing to throw off >>> England's yoke than the Ulster-Scot Presbyterians and these tough, hardy >>> men >>> formed at least a third of George Washington's army. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Boyd" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:17 PM >>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co., PA is based on >>> DROMORE,COUNTY DOWN, NIR >>> >>> >>>>>From the Boyd list there was this little bit of information >>>> >>>> "Since they misspelled the name you may have missed this, but did you >>>> know >>>> that DRUMORE Township is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR ?? >>>> >>>> Drumore Township is an original township in 1729. >>>> >>>> What's got Boyd implications is that you have three Donegal townships >>>> (Raphoe, Donegal, Bart); one Derry township (Colerain); and one Down >>>> township >>>> (Dromore). >>>> >>>> I wonder who brought over the County Down place name. Do we have a Boyd >>>> family near there in Ireland?" >>>> >>>> However, in 1729 Drumore would have been in Chester County, PA in eastern >>>> PA >>>> on the border with Maryland. >>>> >>>> Does anyone on this list know of this migration in 1729 of people from >>>> Dromore? >>>> >>>> Save this weblink (especially if you deal with Lancaster County) and you >>>> have my source: >>>> _http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html_ >>>> (http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html) >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Boyd >>>> Brisbane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Brigitte >>> brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com >>> www.marmionfamilytree.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/

Don't I wish I were young - I am 66. Maybe my problem is that I live in America where I have always been able to choose where I worship. Linda -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WLCHAPPELL@aol.com > Linda - you don't sound dumb - just young - and with hope for us all! . If > you have grandparents of any denomination - ask them or an ancient neighbor - > to TRY to explain > it to you. > > Isabella > > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 2:23:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > bev@denmarkwa.com.au writes: > > In message <021120082202.11120.47B0C6050006E6F300002B702205884484970A0 > 40401080604@comcast.net> > ljholley@comcast.net (Linda Holley) wrote: > Don't know if you saw Billy Connolly's tour of Ireland but he said > that there was a brick wall in the ground dividing the protestants and > catholics in the cemetery in Belfast. As he said 'What did they think > they were going to do? And Chrisianity was the common religion! > Bev > > I know this may sound extremely dumb on my part but what vast > > differences were there in the two religions that would have made > > someone think they needed to have a second ceremony? > > > Linda > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > >> It must have been very difficult for the Presbyterians as we have oral > >> family history that tells of our Johnston family being forced to become C > of > >> I in Ireland, but when it came to baptisms, marriages, etc. they actually > >> went back to Scotland to have a second and Presbyterian ceremony > performed. > >> When I first came across this story I was amazed and somewhat in > disbelief; > >> however, when the story came from a distant second and a third source it > >> made a believer out of me. > >> > >> Cliff. Johnston > >> "May the best you've ever seen, > >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" > >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> > >> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:15 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on > >> DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR > >> > >> > >>> THANK YOU HUGH! > >>> this marriage info answers quite alot of questions...did this practice > >>> continue into the early 1800's as well? > >>> > >>> Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: > >>> There are a lot of pitfalls in Irish names which were anglicised to a > >>> great > >>> extent. Dromore/Drumore/Drimore meant great ridge in Irish and there are > >>> about 24000 townland, towns and villages in Ireland which begin with > >>> variatins of drom, etc. There is the town of Dromore which is between > >>> Banbridge and Lisburn but also a townland in Warrenpoint with the same > >>> name. > >>> In the 18th.C there were large waves of emigration either due to crop > >>> failures, rack rents or to heavy taxes placed by England on Irish woollen > >>> goods. Another major factor was the Test Act which was used to place > loyal > >>> Presbyterian on the same level of disability with the Roman Catholics. > >>> Presbyterian ministers were turned out of their pulpits or threatened. > >>> Since > >>> they no longer had official standing marriages they performed were not > >>> legal. Presbyterians had to choose between their office or their > >>> conscience. > >>> Presbyterian disenters could not teach school. The children of all > >>> Protestants not married in the Established Church were regarded as > >>> bastards > >>> and many Presbyterians were even prosecuted in the bishops' courts as > >>> fornicators for cohabiting with their own wives. This religious > >>> persecution > >>> was for many the last straw and people were easily persuaded to go to > >>> America. In 1717 crops were ruined by drought for the fourth year in a > row > >>> and ships were charted, groups were organised and property sold. There > >>> were > >>> more waves of emigration in 1717-18, 1725-9, 1740-41, 1754-55 and 1771-75 > >>> from the North of Ireland. The result of this was that when the American > >>> Revolution began there were no more ardent people wishing to throw off > >>> England's yoke than the Ulster-Scot Presbyterians and these tough, hardy > >>> men > >>> formed at least a third of George Washington's army. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mike Boyd" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:17 PM > >>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co., PA is based on > >>> DROMORE,COUNTY DOWN, NIR > >>> > >>> > >>>>>From the Boyd list there was this little bit of information > >>>> > >>>> "Since they misspelled the name you may have missed this, but did you > >>>> know > >>>> that DRUMORE Township is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR ?? > >>>> > >>>> Drumore Township is an original township in 1729. > >>>> > >>>> What's got Boyd implications is that you have three Donegal townships > >>>> (Raphoe, Donegal, Bart); one Derry township (Colerain); and one Down > >>>> township > >>>> (Dromore). > >>>> > >>>> I wonder who brought over the County Down place name. Do we have a Boyd > >>>> family near there in Ireland?" > >>>> > >>>> However, in 1729 Drumore would have been in Chester County, PA in > eastern > >>>> PA > >>>> on the border with Maryland. > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone on this list know of this migration in 1729 of people from > >>>> Dromore? > >>>> > >>>> Save this weblink (especially if you deal with Lancaster County) and you > >>>> have my source: > >>>> _http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html_ > >>>> (http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike Boyd > >>>> Brisbane > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Brigitte > >>> brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > >>> www.marmionfamilytree.com > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Bev McGuinness, > Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 > Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 > Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. 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Hi Ken I know of Murdochs from Co.Down who settled in Chicago in the late 1800's I'd be interested in seeing your Murdock info to see if maybe some link regards Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ktsc100@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Names from County Down > > Hi, > > Does anyone have information on these families that came form County Down > in > the mid 1800s and settled first in northern Kentucky or southern Ohio. > > Charles Stewart > Harper > Murdock > Woodsides > > Ken T. > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have added the 1901 Census for Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP to my web site. It can be reached via the latest updates link on my homepage. I have changed things slightly and included several townlands on the same page, Ballynahatton will be found by scrolling down this page. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm regards Pete Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com>

Yes, I've heard of that brick wall in the ground. The belief back then, and it may be true, was that there was a very slow, ground-water current, and the holier-than-thous didn't want to be contaminated by heretics even when dead... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev" <bev@denmarkwa.com.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR > In message <021120082202.11120.47B0C6050006E6F300002B702205884484970A0 > 40401080604@comcast.net> > ljholley@comcast.net (Linda Holley) wrote: > Don't know if you saw Billy Connolly's tour of Ireland but he said > that there was a brick wall in the ground dividing the protestants and > catholics in the cemetery in Belfast. As he said 'What did they think > they were going to do? And Chrisianity was the common religion! > Bev >> I know this may sound extremely dumb on my part but what vast >> differences were there in the two religions that would have made >> someone think they needed to have a second ceremony? > >> Linda > > >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> >>> It must have been very difficult for the Presbyterians as we have oral >>> family history that tells of our Johnston family being forced to become >>> C of >>> I in Ireland, but when it came to baptisms, marriages, etc. they >>> actually >>> went back to Scotland to have a second and Presbyterian ceremony >>> performed. >>> When I first came across this story I was amazed and somewhat in >>> disbelief; >>> however, when the story came from a distant second and a third source it >>> made a believer out of me. >>> >>> Cliff. Johnston >>> "May the best you've ever seen, >>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> >>> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on >>> DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR >>> >>> >>>> THANK YOU HUGH! >>>> this marriage info answers quite alot of questions...did this practice >>>> continue into the early 1800's as well? >>>> >>>> Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> There are a lot of pitfalls in Irish names which were anglicised to a >>>> great >>>> extent. Dromore/Drumore/Drimore meant great ridge in Irish and there >>>> are >>>> about 24000 townland, towns and villages in Ireland which begin with >>>> variatins of drom, etc. There is the town of Dromore which is between >>>> Banbridge and Lisburn but also a townland in Warrenpoint with the same >>>> name. >>>> In the 18th.C there were large waves of emigration either due to crop >>>> failures, rack rents or to heavy taxes placed by England on Irish >>>> woollen >>>> goods. Another major factor was the Test Act which was used to place >>>> loyal >>>> Presbyterian on the same level of disability with the Roman Catholics. >>>> Presbyterian ministers were turned out of their pulpits or threatened. >>>> Since >>>> they no longer had official standing marriages they performed were not >>>> legal. Presbyterians had to choose between their office or their >>>> conscience. >>>> Presbyterian disenters could not teach school. The children of all >>>> Protestants not married in the Established Church were regarded as >>>> bastards >>>> and many Presbyterians were even prosecuted in the bishops' courts as >>>> fornicators for cohabiting with their own wives. This religious >>>> persecution >>>> was for many the last straw and people were easily persuaded to go to >>>> America. In 1717 crops were ruined by drought for the fourth year in a >>>> row >>>> and ships were charted, groups were organised and property sold. There >>>> were >>>> more waves of emigration in 1717-18, 1725-9, 1740-41, 1754-55 and >>>> 1771-75 >>>> from the North of Ireland. The result of this was that when the >>>> American >>>> Revolution began there were no more ardent people wishing to throw off >>>> England's yoke than the Ulster-Scot Presbyterians and these tough, >>>> hardy >>>> men >>>> formed at least a third of George Washington's army. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike Boyd" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:17 PM >>>> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co., PA is based on >>>> DROMORE,COUNTY DOWN, NIR >>>> >>>> >>>>>>From the Boyd list there was this little bit of information >>>>> >>>>> "Since they misspelled the name you may have missed this, but did you >>>>> know >>>>> that DRUMORE Township is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR ?? >>>>> >>>>> Drumore Township is an original township in 1729. >>>>> >>>>> What's got Boyd implications is that you have three Donegal townships >>>>> (Raphoe, Donegal, Bart); one Derry township (Colerain); and one Down >>>>> township >>>>> (Dromore). >>>>> >>>>> I wonder who brought over the County Down place name. Do we have a >>>>> Boyd >>>>> family near there in Ireland?" >>>>> >>>>> However, in 1729 Drumore would have been in Chester County, PA in >>>>> eastern >>>>> PA >>>>> on the border with Maryland. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone on this list know of this migration in 1729 of people from >>>>> Dromore? >>>>> >>>>> Save this weblink (especially if you deal with Lancaster County) and >>>>> you >>>>> have my source: >>>>> _http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html_ >>>>> (http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Boyd >>>>> Brisbane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brigitte >>>> brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com >>>> www.marmionfamilytree.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message > > >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Bev McGuinness, > Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 > Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 > Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That makes me feel better - I thought I was the only one who couldn't remember the thread if it wasn't in front of me. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WLCHAPPELL@aol.com > Sorry to disagree. Quite often it helps to keep the thread going if you have > deleted the original and didn't realize there really was a pertinent > connection with your own interests. > > > In a message dated 2/10/2008 8:18:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > gmt.bc@shaw.ca writes: > > Sorry to ask, but could those responding please not copy every message > attached each time. > It creates a huge email with one and two line messages with repetitious > messages back and forth, over and over. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

You are so lucky to be able to meet an older relative in their native country. Maybe someone has already suggested this - but I would take a tape recorder and record your conversations with your g uncles. While you are there would you please ask them if they have ever heard of a Robert Burnside who left for America - just kidding :) Have a great trip! Linda -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Lester C Griel III" <lcg112@gmail.com> > Thanks to all who gave me advice on my upcoming trip to Ireland in May. I'll > post to the list with how I did when I return. I am very excited to go. > There are two great uncles of mine who I will be meeting for the first time > that are both in failing health so I am particularly looking forward to > meeting them and listening to their stories. > > Lester C Griel III BS, RN > Graduate Assistant, School of Nursing > 307G Health and Human Development East > 814-867-0541 > Family Nurse Practitioner Student, The Pennsylvania State University > Firefighter, Alpha Fire Company: online at www.alphafire.com > Secretary, The Firemans Relief Association of State College, Pennsylvania > Genealogist: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lgriel3 > Researching the Griel, Hill, Eastep, Kinsey, Donald, Franke, Espenshade > and Showalter surnames. > 814-883-6552 > Reply to: lgriel@comcast.net > "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > – Theodore Seuss Giesel > Security is our nearness to God, not our distance from danger. -Kenneth R. > Hendre >   > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ >    (`6_ 6  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`) >     (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'      >    _..`--'_..-_/  /--'_.' ,'               > (il),-''  (li),'  ((!.-' >   > We are........ > Penn State! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I know this may sound extremely dumb on my part but what vast differences were there in the two religions that would have made someone think they needed to have a second ceremony? Linda -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > It must have been very difficult for the Presbyterians as we have oral > family history that tells of our Johnston family being forced to become C of > I in Ireland, but when it came to baptisms, marriages, etc. they actually > went back to Scotland to have a second and Presbyterian ceremony performed. > When I first came across this story I was amazed and somewhat in disbelief; > however, when the story came from a distant second and a third source it > made a believer out of me. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B Marmion" <info@marmionfamilytree.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on > DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR > > > > THANK YOU HUGH! > > this marriage info answers quite alot of questions...did this practice > > continue into the early 1800's as well? > > > > Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> wrote: > > There are a lot of pitfalls in Irish names which were anglicised to a > > great > > extent. Dromore/Drumore/Drimore meant great ridge in Irish and there are > > about 24000 townland, towns and villages in Ireland which begin with > > variatins of drom, etc. There is the town of Dromore which is between > > Banbridge and Lisburn but also a townland in Warrenpoint with the same > > name. > > In the 18th.C there were large waves of emigration either due to crop > > failures, rack rents or to heavy taxes placed by England on Irish woollen > > goods. Another major factor was the Test Act which was used to place loyal > > Presbyterian on the same level of disability with the Roman Catholics. > > Presbyterian ministers were turned out of their pulpits or threatened. > > Since > > they no longer had official standing marriages they performed were not > > legal. Presbyterians had to choose between their office or their > > conscience. > > Presbyterian disenters could not teach school. The children of all > > Protestants not married in the Established Church were regarded as > > bastards > > and many Presbyterians were even prosecuted in the bishops' courts as > > fornicators for cohabiting with their own wives. This religious > > persecution > > was for many the last straw and people were easily persuaded to go to > > America. In 1717 crops were ruined by drought for the fourth year in a row > > and ships were charted, groups were organised and property sold. There > > were > > more waves of emigration in 1717-18, 1725-9, 1740-41, 1754-55 and 1771-75 > > from the North of Ireland. The result of this was that when the American > > Revolution began there were no more ardent people wishing to throw off > > England's yoke than the Ulster-Scot Presbyterians and these tough, hardy > > men > > formed at least a third of George Washington's army. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Boyd" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:17 PM > > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co., PA is based on > > DROMORE,COUNTY DOWN, NIR > > > > > >> >From the Boyd list there was this little bit of information > >> > >> "Since they misspelled the name you may have missed this, but did you > >> know > >> that DRUMORE Township is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR ?? > >> > >> Drumore Township is an original township in 1729. > >> > >> What's got Boyd implications is that you have three Donegal townships > >> (Raphoe, Donegal, Bart); one Derry township (Colerain); and one Down > >> township > >> (Dromore). > >> > >> I wonder who brought over the County Down place name. Do we have a Boyd > >> family near there in Ireland?" > >> > >> However, in 1729 Drumore would have been in Chester County, PA in eastern > >> PA > >> on the border with Maryland. > >> > >> Does anyone on this list know of this migration in 1729 of people from > >> Dromore? > >> > >> Save this weblink (especially if you deal with Lancaster County) and you > >> have my source: > >> _http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html_ > >> (http://www.lancasterhistory.org/research/databases/townshipmap.html) > >> > >> > >> Mike Boyd > >> Brisbane > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Brigitte > > brigitte@marmionfamilytree.com > > www.marmionfamilytree.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

There is presently in Belfast a newly opened exhibition of the life of Francis Joseph Bigger. The event is taking place until December at the Belfast Central Library on Royal Avenue. Bigger was a giant of irish literatrue and history. He bequethed a huge archive to the Belast Library. For a descrition of contents see, http://www.ni-libraries.net/press-releases or, http://www.pgil.eirdata.org There are other references available on Google by entering his name. Owen Davey -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Coss-referencing to Ros's wonderful site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/ can really help. Fiona. ===== IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:28 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP Pete, I know I have neglected to thank you as well! I have found so many people with my ancestral names on your site. Now all I have to do is figure out who's who and who belongs to who! Thank you for all your hard work. Love, Kathy In a message dated 2/11/2008 3:17:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mourneminers@optonline.net writes: Thanks for all your hard work Pete - I am using your site EVERY day. So pleased to have the search facility. Fiona. ======= IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Meaney Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:12 PM To: Nir-Down@Rootsweb.Com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP I have added the 1901 Census for Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP to my web site. It can be reached via the latest updates link on my homepage. I have changed things slightly and included several townlands on the same page, Ballynahatton will be found by scrolling down this page. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm regards Pete Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pete, I know I have neglected to thank you as well! I have found so many people with my ancestral names on your site. Now all I have to do is figure out who's who and who belongs to who! Thank you for all your hard work. Love, Kathy In a message dated 2/11/2008 3:17:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mourneminers@optonline.net writes: Thanks for all your hard work Pete - I am using your site EVERY day. So pleased to have the search facility. Fiona. ======= IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Meaney Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:12 PM To: Nir-Down@Rootsweb.Com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP I have added the 1901 Census for Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP to my web site. It can be reached via the latest updates link on my homepage. I have changed things slightly and included several townlands on the same page, Ballynahatton will be found by scrolling down this page. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm regards Pete Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)