As to not "clog" up the list with replies, please email me offline at _kpagape@aol.com_ (mailto:kpagape@aol.com) if you'd like me to look up a name for you. Love, Kathy In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:45:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, KPagape@aol.com writes: I have subscribed to a service here in the US that has a list of births in Texas, California, Ohio, Minnesota, North Carolina, Kentucky and Vermont. I'm doing a 19,000 page read looking for my husband's birth mother and of course I don't have her birth last name, so I'm looking through all these pages for her first name. (loads of fun) I figure while I'm subscribed, I might as well see if anyone else needs me to look up something. I offered it a couple of days ago for Texas, and then realized that it included these other states too. If you have relatives that you are looking for that landed in those states during the the last half of the 1800's and through the first half of the 1900's let me know and I'll be glad to take a break from my reading (I'm on page 4124!) to check out your relatives. Regards, Kathy Grant-Page Searching for Grant, Brannigan, Rogers and Cunningham **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

I have subscribed to a service here in the US that has a list of births in Texas, California, Ohio, Minnesota, North Carolina, Kentucky and Vermont. I'm doing a 19,000 page read looking for my husband's birth mother and of course I don't have her birth last name, so I'm looking through all these pages for her first name. (loads of fun) I figure while I'm subscribed, I might as well see if anyone else needs me to look up something. I offered it a couple of days ago for Texas, and then realized that it included these other states too. If you have relatives that you are looking for that landed in those states during the the last half of the 1800's and through the first half of the 1900's let me know and I'll be glad to take a break from my reading (I'm on page 4124!) to check out your relatives. Regards, Kathy Grant-Page Searching for Grant, Brannigan, Rogers and Cunningham **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Michael I have been trying to figure that out for a couple of years. I end up just doing a screen shot of what I need then taking it to my Paint Shop Pro and pasting it then cropping it to what I want...lot of work but has been worth it... Sharon Maupin Arbonne International Independent Consultant ID#17291029 re_4me2@q.com<mailto:re_4me2@q.com> 480-671-1352 Get Arbonnized!! ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL BURNS<mailto:aardvarkgs@btinternet.com> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com<mailto:nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ancestry.com census images Hi Does anyone know how to print ancestry.com's copies of English census returns, enlarging the text (most importantly) loosing the thick [ink-wasting border]? Michael Burns researching Boden/Bodan/Bowden /etc and Tear/Teer from Loughinisland and Ardglass Elaine J <ejorge@comcast.net<mailto:ejorge@comcast.net>> wrote: Jane I just found out the same thing about a gggg grandfather. I went googling to get more information. Your question about a picture, thought this might help. http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/parades/orangeman_on_parade.html<http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/parades/orangeman_on_parade.html> E l a i n e J. T h e O t h e r E l a i n e S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A Jane Remly wrote: > Dear Wendy; > I too, have a relative , a ggf, who was a "staunch Orangeman in Ireland. > I am interested in the answer as well. > I am also wondering if someone online could send in a picture of the sash of the Orangeman, so I could see what they looked like? > Please place online any information about the records availability as well. > Thanks, Jane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:31 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com<mailto:nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 > > I am also interested in the answer to this question, Lin, as I too have an > old Orange Order Sash, the owner was also high up in the Masonic Lodge. And > I also wonder where there may be information... > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "linda chapman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 > > >> Hi >> >> I am not even sure if this is a sensible question but I had this thought >> so will ask. >> >> I >> know my 3x gr grandfather James Rooney (or Roney) was buried in >> Egremont in 1880 when his age was given as 45. He is on the 61 and 71 >> census in Egremont, Cumberland when his birth place was given as Ireland, >> as were >> the births of his wife Elizabeth nee Taylor and his daughters Leticia >> and Rosannah in 1848 and 1850, his younger children being born in >> Egremont. There is a marriage for him and >> Elizabeth on the IGI for 1853 in Egremont and we have a solicitors >> letter dated 1953 that his daughters births were legitimised in January >> 1927 with the introduction of the Illegitimacy Act. >> >> I do know >> that within my Rooney family that I have just got in contact with, there >> is also his Orange Order sash that is now so faded that even if there >> had been any writing on it, it is now ileligable. As I am struggling >> to find his place of birth I am clutching at straws when I ask if there >> is any possibility of his Orange Lodge being in Cumberland? >> >> To >> compound my research he was obviously a Protestant, one of his >> daughters a devout Catholic and one of his sons was a Methodist. >> >> I am hoping sks can point me in the right direction as another question I >> have is, are the members lists for Orange Lodges of that period open to >> the public or are they still confidential? >> >> I have also put this on the google message board for Cumberland, although >> I do realize that I am clutching at straws. >> >> Thank you for your time. >> >> Regards >> >> Lin >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I download the image to my desktop and open it with Irfanview, a free program. http://www.irfanview.com/ Then I outline the part I want, then go to File/Crop selection. Then save to desktop. Open and print. At this point you could adjust size. E l a i n e J. T h e O t h e r E l a i n e S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A MICHAEL BURNS wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know how to print ancestry.com's copies of English census returns, enlarging the text (most importantly) loosing the thick [ink-wasting border]? > > Michael Burns > researching Boden/Bodan/Bowden /etc and Tear/Teer from Loughinisland and Ardglass > > Elaine J <ejorge@comcast.net> wrote: > Jane I just found out the same thing about a gggg grandfather. I went > googling to get more information. > Your question about a picture, thought this might help. > http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/parades/orangeman_on_parade.html > E l a i n e J. > T h e O t h e r E l a i n e > S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A > > Jane Remly wrote: >> Dear Wendy; >> I too, have a relative , a ggf, who was a "staunch Orangeman in Ireland. >> I am interested in the answer as well. >> I am also wondering if someone online could send in a picture of the sash of the Orangeman, so I could see what they looked like? >> Please place online any information about the records availability as well. >> Thanks, Jane >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:31 PM >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 >> >> I am also interested in the answer to this question, Lin, as I too have an >> old Orange Order Sash, the owner was also high up in the Masonic Lodge. And >> I also wonder where there may be information... >> Wendy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "linda chapman" > >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 >> >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I am not even sure if this is a sensible question but I had this thought >>> so will ask. >>> >>> I >>> know my 3x gr grandfather James Rooney (or Roney) was buried in >>> Egremont in 1880 when his age was given as 45. He is on the 61 and 71 >>> census in Egremont, Cumberland when his birth place was given as Ireland, >>> as were >>> the births of his wife Elizabeth nee Taylor and his daughters Leticia >>> and Rosannah in 1848 and 1850, his younger children being born in >>> Egremont. There is a marriage for him and >>> Elizabeth on the IGI for 1853 in Egremont and we have a solicitors >>> letter dated 1953 that his daughters births were legitimised in January >>> 1927 with the introduction of the Illegitimacy Act. >>> >>> I do know >>> that within my Rooney family that I have just got in contact with, there >>> is also his Orange Order sash that is now so faded that even if there >>> had been any writing on it, it is now ileligable. As I am struggling >>> to find his place of birth I am clutching at straws when I ask if there >>> is any possibility of his Orange Lodge being in Cumberland? >>> >>> To >>> compound my research he was obviously a Protestant, one of his >>> daughters a devout Catholic and one of his sons was a Methodist. >>> >>> I am hoping sks can point me in the right direction as another question I >>> have is, are the members lists for Orange Lodges of that period open to >>> the public or are they still confidential? >>> >>> I have also put this on the google message board for Cumberland, although >>> I do realize that I am clutching at straws. >>> >>> Thank you for your time. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Lin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Roxanne Is that for the Republic of Ireland, for Northern Ireland or both? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > The address I have for the General Register Office is Convent Road, > Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Tel: (090)663-2900, LoCall: 1890 252076, > website: www.groireland.ie. This information was included when they > sent me records. > Best Wishes! > Roxanne > >>I assume that you will also need to check out the General Register Office >>(sorry do not have an address) >>

Mike ~ Did you see Ella Patterson's explanation? I will forward it to you if not. All records I've requested have been prior to 1921 so that is why GRO Ireland was able to help me with family who lived in the North of Ireland. Best Regards, Roxanne Mike Boyd wrote: >Roxanne >Is that for the Republic of Ireland, for Northern Ireland or both? > >Mike Boyd >Brisbane >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> >To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:16 AM >Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > > > > >>The address I have for the General Register Office is Convent Road, >>Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Tel: (090)663-2900, LoCall: 1890 252076, >>website: www.groireland.ie. This information was included when they >>sent me records. >>Best Wishes! >>Roxanne >> >> >> >>>I assume that you will also need to check out the General Register Office >>>(sorry do not have an address) >>> >>> >>> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hello Listers, I just thought I would clarify a few points about the Orange Order, which might help those looking for information about relatives who may have been in the Order. Orange Lodges in Ireland are granted an "authority" by the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland (GOLI), called a "Warrant", and each Lodge has a unique name & number by which it is known eg Gwynne's Temperance LOL (Loyal Orange Lodge) No. 419. Lodges normally meet monthly to conduct business. For more more information see the GOLI website: http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/index.html There are links there for Grand Lodges in England & Scotland, and also photos for those who may be interested. Family tradition often plays a big part in lodge membership, so it is not unusual to find someone living in one part of Northern Ireland who belongs to a lodge elsewhere, simply because his father & grandfather were also in the lodge. This is why it can often be useful to genealogists. In order to begin the search, you need to either have a lodge name or number - many Orange sashes or collarettes bear the Lodge number that your relative belonged to, so this would be your starting point. I would suggest you write to The Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland, Schomberg House, 368 Cregagh Road, BELFAST BT6 9YE giving the Lodge name and/or number & explain that you are trying to find details of your relative(s) who belonged to that Lodge & ask if the lodge is still in existence (see notes below) & if so ask for the secretary's name & address or alternatively if your letter could be passed on to the appropriate lodge. However, there are some points to bear in mind: 1. Some lodges are no longer in existence & records may not be available. 2. Old records for some lodges may no longer exist or have been destroyed eg some lodges have lost many artefacts recently in what has been a concerted attack on Orange Halls across Northern Ireland over the last few years. 3. Previous postings have indicated that researchers have had a limited or no response - don't give up!! Try writing to the Editor of the Orange Standard at Schomberg House - the Standard is published monthly by GOLI. 4. It would be almost impossible for Lodges to search their records for someone in the area who might have been a member or to trawl through their records looking for particular surnames. The above is only relevant to Northern Ireland & the Republic of Ireland - I don't know what the position would be in England or Scotland, but it may be the same - I would suggest you write to the appropriate Grand Lodge. Local newspapers sometimes have articles about Orange Lodges eg some papers may have reports of installations of Lodge Officers for the coming year, usually held in January In NI & RoI, or there may be reports about the annual 12th of July Parade. It is worth trying to find if newspaper archives are held. Good luck with your research Eddie Kelso --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! &#45; a smarter inbox.

To all who may be interested in visiting the GRONI. The address and phone number as well as website are as in Ella Patterson's recent email . Having recently visited the office - a few tips:- Do not go without a previous appointment - they are quite often booked up Only one person is permitted to be at a computer station at a time - there are about 6 or 7 stations only. The cost per session is £10 sterling and includes a request for 4 searches in a register to see the appropriate entry (brought by and shown to you by a member of staff). A photocopy of the certificate is about £2.50 (I think) If you want to see more than 4 entries - they are £2.50 extra each. The available information is indexes only which give name - usually age - place and Volume and page number for the appropriate register. You can come and go during your session and there are several places for lunch,coffee etc nearby as it is in the centre of the office area of Belfast. The office is about 5 minutes walk from the City Hall in the centre of Belfast. Take pencil and paper Your eyes will be turned in your head after 2 or 3 hours. The staff are extremely helpful Good Luck Mike Armstrong

Dear Wendy; I too, have a relative , a ggf, who was a "staunch Orangeman in Ireland. I am interested in the answer as well. I am also wondering if someone online could send in a picture of the sash of the Orangeman, so I could see what they looked like? Please place online any information about the records availability as well. Thanks, Jane -----Original Message----- From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:31 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 I am also interested in the answer to this question, Lin, as I too have an old Orange Order Sash, the owner was also high up in the Masonic Lodge. And I also wonder where there may be information... Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "linda chapman" <linda_chapman4@btinternet.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 > Hi > > I am not even sure if this is a sensible question but I had this thought > so will ask. > > I > know my 3x gr grandfather James Rooney (or Roney) was buried in > Egremont in 1880 when his age was given as 45. He is on the 61 and 71 > census in Egremont, Cumberland when his birth place was given as Ireland, > as were > the births of his wife Elizabeth nee Taylor and his daughters Leticia > and Rosannah in 1848 and 1850, his younger children being born in > Egremont. There is a marriage for him and > Elizabeth on the IGI for 1853 in Egremont and we have a solicitors > letter dated 1953 that his daughters births were legitimised in January > 1927 with the introduction of the Illegitimacy Act. > > I do know > that within my Rooney family that I have just got in contact with, there > is also his Orange Order sash that is now so faded that even if there > had been any writing on it, it is now ileligable. As I am struggling > to find his place of birth I am clutching at straws when I ask if there > is any possibility of his Orange Lodge being in Cumberland? > > To > compound my research he was obviously a Protestant, one of his > daughters a devout Catholic and one of his sons was a Methodist. > > I am hoping sks can point me in the right direction as another question I > have is, are the members lists for Orange Lodges of that period open to > the public or are they still confidential? > > I have also put this on the google message board for Cumberland, although > I do realize that I am clutching at straws. > > Thank you for your time. > > Regards > > Lin > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the book at AbeBooks. Shipping to the US was almost as much as the book but, if it is as good as you say the $17.00 was well spent. Thank you for the tip. Linda -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: <odavey@nbnet.nb.ca> > Someone on the list raised this issue a couple of weeks ago. A 1987 tour guide > of NI which I have states that the distance from Donaghadee to Portpatrick, > Scotland is 21 miles. Local fishermen from Donaghadee would row passengers > across to Scotland on calm days for 5UK pounds. This was in the 1850s. > ref: The Visitors Guide to Northern Ireland, Rosemary Evans, Moorland Publishing > Co, UK, 1987.pp. 64-65 > There is some terrific info in this little book but the Copyright is so > comprehensive that I do not think I can do more than paraphrase references. > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 25 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Before 1922 Ireland was all one country so Pre 1921 BDM records for all Ireland are held at the General Record Office in Roscommon. Records after 1921 are split.between the two offices. The record office in belfast has been given copies of the pre 1921 records relating to what are the six counties of Northern Ireland. (Down, Antrim, Armagh, Tyrone. Londonderry, Fermanagh). I hope this helps to clarify things a little. There are a few complications with marriage records but basically this is it. Births are kept from 1864, non Church of Ireland marriage records from 1864 and Church of Ireland marriage records from 1845. The General Record office in the Republic of Ireland can be contacted as follows General Register Office, Government Offices, Convent Road, Roscommon. Tel: +353 (0) 90 6632900 LoCall: 1890 252076 Fax: +353 (0) 90 6632999 Fax: +353 (0) 90 6632988 http://www.groireland.ie/about_us.htm The General Record Office in Northern Ireland can be contacted as follows Oxford House 49/55 Chichester Street Belfast BT1 4HL Telephone No:- 028 90 252000 Email for Birth, Death, Marriage Certificate Queries: gro.nisra@dfpni.gov.uk Email for Marriage, Re-registration and Adoptions: groreg.nisra@dfpni.gov.uk Email for Statistics Queries: grostats.nisra@dfpni.gov.uk http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm Hope this helps people who are having problems with our strange system Ella ________________________________________ From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne Neel [roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net] Sent: 12 February 2008 17:18 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland Hi Ella ~ So there is a GRONI and a GROIreland? Not being from the area certainly has its disadvantages. I have received several marriage and/or death records from GRO Ireland for family in County Down - I hope they are accurate! Thanks for setting me straight. Roxanne Neel California, USA Ella Patterson wrote: >You will need to look at the website > >http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm > >to get details for the Northern Ireland General Register office. It is in the Centre of Belfast and easily accessible. If you want to spend a half day using indexes or have a search (both have a charge) it is a good idea to book in advance via the web site as they can get quite busy and are primarily a Government Office rather than a genealogical centre >Ella > >Ella Patterson >Cataloguer >Cataloguing Department >Main Library >Resources Management Division >The Queen's University of Belfast >University Square >Belfast >BT7 1LS >Northern Ireland > >Tele: +44 28 90973639 >Email: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne Neel >Sent: 12 February 2008 16:16 >To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > >The address I have for the General Register Office is Convent Road, >Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Tel: (090)663-2900, LoCall: 1890 252076, >website: www.groireland.ie. This information was included when they >sent me records. >Best Wishes! >Roxanne > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken My own Murdock ancestors came from the parishes of Kilmore and Barnamaghery, which border on the parish of Killinchy. Over recent years I've tended to keep information on any record I've stumbled across relating to Murdock(h) from this general area. If you are interested in comparing notes, just let me know regards Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ktsc100@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Names from County Down > > Hi Sam, > > My Murdocks and related families and friends with other names came from > the > Killinchy area of County Down around the 1850s. Some settled in Arkansas > and > others on both sides of the Kentucky/Ohio border. In 1853 many of them > formed up a wagon train and crossed the plains to California with a herd > of > cattle. I am trying to find more information about the migration by > researching > the families with names other than Murdock hoping to find a journal or > history > of the wagon train trip, but am not having much luck. Also looking for > any > information about their trip to this country and what other families > might > have helped them settle when they first arrived here. > > I am not aware of any Murdochs that were part of my family that settled > in > Chicago. > > Ken T > ============= > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 5:50:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, > sgmurdock@dsl.pipex.com writes: > > Hi Ken > > I know of Murdochs from Co.Down who settled in Chicago in the late 1800's > I'd be interested in seeing your Murdock info to see if maybe some link > > regards > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Ktsc100@aol.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:36 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Names from County Down > > >> >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone have information on these families that came form County >> Down >> in >> the mid 1800s and settled first in northern Kentucky or southern Ohio. >> >> Charles Stewart >> Harper >> Murdock >> Woodsides >> >> Ken T. >> >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as I am aware GRONI do NOT do photocopies - I have asked for this service and have been told that it is not done there. Only Roscommon will provide photocopies of register entries. Sheila

Someone on the list raised this issue a couple of weeks ago. A 1987 tour guide of NI which I have states that the distance from Donaghadee to Portpatrick, Scotland is 21 miles. Local fishermen from Donaghadee would row passengers across to Scotland on calm days for 5UK pounds. This was in the 1850s. ref: The Visitors Guide to Northern Ireland, Rosemary Evans, Moorland Publishing Co, UK, 1987.pp. 64-65 There is some terrific info in this little book but the Copyright is so comprehensive that I do not think I can do more than paraphrase references. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Jane I just found out the same thing about a gggg grandfather. I went googling to get more information. Your question about a picture, thought this might help. http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/parades/orangeman_on_parade.html E l a i n e J. T h e O t h e r E l a i n e S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A Jane Remly wrote: > Dear Wendy; > I too, have a relative , a ggf, who was a "staunch Orangeman in Ireland. > I am interested in the answer as well. > I am also wondering if someone online could send in a picture of the sash of the Orangeman, so I could see what they looked like? > Please place online any information about the records availability as well. > Thanks, Jane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:31 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 > > I am also interested in the answer to this question, Lin, as I too have an > old Orange Order Sash, the owner was also high up in the Masonic Lodge. And > I also wonder where there may be information... > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "linda chapman" <linda_chapman4@btinternet.com> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58 > > >> Hi >> >> I am not even sure if this is a sensible question but I had this thought >> so will ask. >> >> I >> know my 3x gr grandfather James Rooney (or Roney) was buried in >> Egremont in 1880 when his age was given as 45. He is on the 61 and 71 >> census in Egremont, Cumberland when his birth place was given as Ireland, >> as were >> the births of his wife Elizabeth nee Taylor and his daughters Leticia >> and Rosannah in 1848 and 1850, his younger children being born in >> Egremont. There is a marriage for him and >> Elizabeth on the IGI for 1853 in Egremont and we have a solicitors >> letter dated 1953 that his daughters births were legitimised in January >> 1927 with the introduction of the Illegitimacy Act. >> >> I do know >> that within my Rooney family that I have just got in contact with, there >> is also his Orange Order sash that is now so faded that even if there >> had been any writing on it, it is now ileligable. As I am struggling >> to find his place of birth I am clutching at straws when I ask if there >> is any possibility of his Orange Lodge being in Cumberland? >> >> To >> compound my research he was obviously a Protestant, one of his >> daughters a devout Catholic and one of his sons was a Methodist. >> >> I am hoping sks can point me in the right direction as another question I >> have is, are the members lists for Orange Lodges of that period open to >> the public or are they still confidential? >> >> I have also put this on the google message board for Cumberland, although >> I do realize that I am clutching at straws. >> >> Thank you for your time. >> >> Regards >> >> Lin >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

You will need to look at the website http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm to get details for the Northern Ireland General Register office. It is in the Centre of Belfast and easily accessible. If you want to spend a half day using indexes or have a search (both have a charge) it is a good idea to book in advance via the web site as they can get quite busy and are primarily a Government Office rather than a genealogical centre Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne Neel Sent: 12 February 2008 16:16 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland The address I have for the General Register Office is Convent Road, Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Tel: (090)663-2900, LoCall: 1890 252076, website: www.groireland.ie. This information was included when they sent me records. Best Wishes! Roxanne Mike Boyd wrote: >Lester >Youn will need to go to PRONI (66 Balmoral Street) - it is in the south >area of Belfast access by train or bus. You will need to look at both the >Card Index and the online Index. (Online you should look at now, but that >does not have as much items as the old card index. So when you arrive you >will need to have an number of items to place orders for. They take more >than an hour to get. Thursday night it stays open until 8.45 pm I think. >So allow 2 or 3 days for PRONI alone. (Email is proni@dcalni.gov.uk) > >Then you have Linenhall Library on the north side of the City Square > >I assume that you will also need to check out the General Register Office >(sorry do not have an address) > >City Hall may also be able to give you Cemetery records > >You may also know which church they went to as well for any records there. > >There should be an family history group in Belfast that you try to find >before you go. > >These are some of the places you need to go to. > >Public transport is quite OK. Mostly buses but you can use the Trains as >well. > >There is an tourist Office opposite the City Hall. If you can find them on >the web, you should make you booking soon as if you are going during the >summer. > >Last September I stayed at a B&B hotel near Queens University for about 45 >pound a night but you may wish to say out of the city along one of the three >main railway lines, to Bangor, Lisburn or Carrickfergus which should be >cheaper but you lose time travelling - depending on the distance you are >out. > >Mike Boyd >Brisbane > >PS >write out your family tree and list the things you wish to find or are >looking for. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lester C Griel III" <lcg112@gmail.com> >To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:50 AM >Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Going to Ireland > > >Hello all, >My mother surprised me the other day with an invitation to accompany her to >Ireland (her father was born in Belfast). Can anyone suggest possibilities >for research while I am in Belfast. Thanks in advance for any assistance. >Lester > >Lester C Griel III BS, RN > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the feedback folks, Its a bit of a steep learning curve sometimes but worth it to know others are benefiting from our efforts. Pete -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Fiona Jones Sent: 11 February 2008 23:16 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP Thanks for all your hard work Pete - I am using your site EVERY day. So pleased to have the search facility. Fiona. ======= IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/index.htm Author of Miners of Mourne http://www.fipacian.com/MinersofMourne.htm -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Meaney Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:12 PM To: Nir-Down@Rootsweb.Com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] 1901 Census Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP I have added the 1901 Census for Ballynahatton townland Kilkeel CP to my web site. It can be reached via the latest updates link on my homepage. I have changed things slightly and included several townlands on the same page, Ballynahatton will be found by scrolling down this page. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~meaneypj/index.htm regards Pete Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com <mailto:Peterjmeaney@ntlworld.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda I think this started with Henry VIII of England wanting an heir. In the 1500's and 1600's in England and Scotland you had the conflict between Catholic and Protestant religions. In the later half of the 1600's in Scotland you have the "conflict" between the established Protestant church and the Covenanters where may died rather than change. Holding onto your Principals" In the early 1600 period - before the plantation of 1609 - there was conflict with some of the Irish Earl's. I am not sure if between themselves or with the English. (I assume someone will tell us the correct situation). As a result of this conflict in 1600-1606 many people in Ulster had no housing and crops to live on. I think it was in the Montgomery Manuscripts, where it said that in 1607, there were only 30 houses fit to live in between Newtownards and Donaghadee. The result of this conflict and the Plantation that followed in 1609 caused the 1641 uprising by Catholics in Ireland. Last year I saw a figure that some 150,000 protestants were killed - I think in Ulster. I can't recall if this source said how many Catholics but I assume a smaller number. Then in 1642 you had the Scottish Protestant Army came to "restore" order. I am not sure how many Catholic were killed as a result of that restoration of Order. Then in the 1640's there was the Puritan Cromwell came to Ireland. I have an table somewhere of the Population of Ireland in this period. For memory the Irish population in 1641 was about 1.1 million people. It did not reach that level again until the early 1700's. I think it was said that his Army killed about a third of the population - most of these would have been Catholic in religion. Then you have the conflict of 1689-90 between King James and King William over religion. I am not sure how may were killed in this but in Londonderry City they said that some 10,000 died during the Siege. It make the "troubles" of the last 30 years look like peace - only 3,000 people were killed. That gives you a very brief outline of why the conflict between religions. Many were prepare to die for their beliefs (and did not want to be told by "ruler" what religion they could or could not follow). Hope that this help to explain it - rather poorly. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Holley" <ljholley@comcast.net> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] DRUMORE Townshpi, Lancaster Co.,PA is based on DROMORE, COUNTY DOWN, NIR >I know this may sound extremely dumb on my part but what vast differences >were there in the two religions that would have made someone think they >needed to have a second ceremony? > > Linda >

Mike, Thank you for the info on the religion issue. I had wondered if that were not the case. Linda

Hi there My Roneys never ventured out of Whitehaven as far as i know- apart from my Catherien who ended up in Co Durham. i do havea marriage cert somewhere foran Egremont Roney- father Hugh, I will get it and send to you later in the week just in case. carol