Hello Peter, The registers of Drumballyroney Church of Ireland Church survive, have been filmed and are available as follows: C.I. Drumballyroney (Dromore diocese) Baptisms, 1838-71; marriages, 1838-46; burials, 1839-73; vestry minutes, 1870-1902; registration book, 1870. Preachers’ books, 1869-. The above are in PRONI for sure, but I cann't say about the Family History Centers. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > Church of Ireland parish records for Drumballyroney do not seem to be available in the LDS catalogue. Is anyone able to tell if these records exist and if so whether they are accessible anywhere?> > Regards, Pete.> > > > > ---------------------------------> 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009> ---------------------------------> Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/

Seeking information on John Reilly from Moneydarraghbeg who married Mary Rodgers 1880,Mary Rodgers died 1914 Taken from the 1911 census Moneydarraghbeg Surname Forename & Information Age Sex Reilly John, fisherman, 31 years married Family R. C., All can read and write 56 Male Reilly Mary, nee Rodgers, housewife died 1914 58 Female Reilly Maggie, servant 30 Female Reilly Elizabeth, servant 28 Female Reilly Frank, fisherman 25 Male Reilly Bernard, fisherman 23 Male Reilly Sarah, servant 21 Female Reilly John, 18 Male Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I have just updated my webpage Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> to make it easier to use (at least I hope that it will!) - you may need to press F5 to update the page. As each different browser and screen can effect what you see, if anyone has any issues could you please let me know as soon as possible (I would love to get your feedback regardless!). --------------------- As well as upgrading the user interface I have added the ability to see two versions of the civil parishes (in both the maps and lists of townlands): as they were in the 1851 census and as they were in the Griffith Valuation. In the process of doing the valuation, Griffith decided to 're-engineer' parishes, apparently to join outlying townlands into their surrounding parishes and to balance populations. As he had been previously told not to do this, he was quickly stopped. Previously I thought that the changes he made were restricted largely to Antrim and Down, but in updating the database for Fermanagh I found that he had also made significant changes there too. It would appear that he started work on a number of fronts and so it is possible that such changes were made in many counties. The website now lists two civil parishes: Civil Parish (1851 Census) and Civil Parish (Griffith Valuation), the maps for each are drawn in different colours to allow you to easily see changes, and the actual townlands are listed for each type. So far I have only updated Fermanagh and so elsewhere the Civil Parishes (until I update each of the other counties) are listed as being from the 1851 census version even if they are not. If I am aware that the two versions are different however, the notes in the pop-up window usually indicate what changes were made. -- Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com>

Hi Barbara, Were the other children listed in the Quaker Register? Was the father Quaker? Marriages would generally be in the bride's church. There's some information about the National Register of Quakers and the Quakers in Ireland in the following: http://www.northernirelandancestry.com/ChurchRecords.htm Chris Langdon On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 at 08:13:35 -0500 From: "Barbara Shannon" <[email protected]> said: Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Help Please - National Register of Quakers I recently looked at Raymond's site and found a birth record for my great-grandparents first child, Agnes Shannon. The source is listed as National Register of Quakers. I find this information very curious because everything I've found previously indicated that they were Reformed Presbyterians; including a record of their marriage less than a year prior. I've googled this register and couldn't find an adequate explanation of these records. Would this indicate that they were Quakers at the time of their daughter's birth or is there another explanation? Barbara Shannon

Hi Pete, Have you tried contacting the parish? Chris Langdon On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 at 19:56:38 -0000 From: "Peter J Meaney" <[email protected]> said: Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Drumballyroney CI Parish Records Church of Ireland parish records for Drumballyroney do not seem to be available in the LDS catalogue. Is anyone able to tell if these records exist and if so whether they are accessible anywhere? Regards, Pete.

Hi Murray, What year or years do your Administrative Districts cover? Chris Langdon On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 at 13:58:38 +1300 > From: Murray <[email protected]> said: > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Administrative District Map upgrade > To: [email protected] > > I have just updated my webpage Interactive Administrative > District map > of Ireland > <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> to > make > it easier to use (at least I hope that it will!) - you may > need to press > F5 to update the page. > > As each different browser and screen can effect what you > see, if anyone > has any issues could you please let me know as soon as > possible (I would > love to get your feedback regardless!). > > --------------------- > > As well as upgrading the user interface I have added the > ability to see > two versions of the civil parishes (in both the maps and > lists of > townlands): as they were in the 1851 census and as they > were in the > Griffith Valuation. > > In the process of doing the valuation, Griffith decided to > 're-engineer' > parishes, apparently to join outlying townlands into their > surrounding > parishes and to balance populations. As he had been > previously told not > to do this, he was quickly stopped. Previously I thought > that the > changes he made were restricted largely to Antrim and Down, > but in > updating the database for Fermanagh I found that he had > also made > significant changes there too. It would appear that he > started work on a > number of fronts and so it is possible that such changes > were made in > many counties. > > The website now lists two civil parishes: Civil Parish > (1851 Census) and > Civil Parish (Griffith Valuation), the maps for each are > drawn in > different colours to allow you to easily see changes, and > the actual > townlands are listed for each type. > > So far I have only updated Fermanagh and so elsewhere the > Civil Parishes > (until I update each of the other counties) are listed as > being from the > 1851 census version even if they are not. If I am aware > that the two > versions are different however, the notes in the pop-up > window usually > indicate what changes were made. > > -- > > Kind Regards > > Murray > Christchurch > New Zealand > > Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for > ... > > * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand > Cemeteries > > <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> > (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world > with NZ > service burials) > * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland > > <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> > * Our Family History > <http://family.kiwicelts.com>

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Hi Owen, I am in about the same boat as you. I know my Rice and Flanagans came from Maghermayo, Parish of Drumgooland, but I don't know specifically how they are related to me; I know they are related. My grandmother was born in 1885 and she lived in Montana while we lived in California and she died when I was 12 and at that age I never thought to ask for specific family information. Even my mother and her 6 siblings all thought our Flangans and Rices always came from Kinghill where Grandma was from. This record is interesting: Sept 3, 1812 Bridget of Peter Rice. Sps. Peter Davey and his wife(sic) Marriage: Pat Davey of Mageradrool(ie Parish, I beieve, not the townland of the same name) and Bridget Rice of Magheradrool. Lic by Mr. Reavey ac by Mr Carman(sic) I wonder if Mr. Reavey is a from of McCreevey (Rice). My Great Grandmother Elizabeth Rice Flanagan had a sister Bridget Rice but they were born in Islandmoyle, Parish of Clonduff and their father was from Magheramayo, Droomgooland Parish. Edward Rice was a blacksmith and married Bridget Brannigan and evidently moved in with her family in Islandmoyle. Sadly they both died from TB during the Great Famine about 1851 or 1852, leaving their little daughters orphaned. The younger sister, Bridget took on the name of their aunt and uncle - Carr (Kerr), who raised my Great Grandmother and her sister Bridget Rice Carr Colgan. The Carrs were from Cabra, Clonduff Parish. On a sunny but cold day in California, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:56 PM Hi Margaret. Thank you very much for your informative message which I will keep in my records.. In my research of my Davey family ancestors in County Down, Magheradrool and Loughinsland parishes I found the following entries, both from the RC parish church register in Ballynahinch which i personally examined in 1989.: These family relations thus go back into the 18th cent. At this remote how I might relate specifically to these people is impossible to determine. But my Davey roots go back to this time period in thsi place so I beleive that in some way I am indeed related to them all. On a snowy night in eastern Canada, Regards, Owen Since I only researched my own family connections through these registers I do not doubt that there are many other Rice family members referd to their.

Hi Margaret. Thank you very much for your informative message which I will keep in my records.. In my research of my Davey family ancestors in County Down, Magheradrool and Loughinsland parishes I found the following entries, both from the RC parish church register in Ballynahinch which i personally examined in 1989.: William Rice and Catherine Davey Marriage 17 Jan 1841, witnesses: John McGoran and Catherine Rice baptisms of their children Arthur 1842. Sps. Daniel Davey and Mary Rice Hugh 1850. Sps. Hugh Rice and Rosan Millan James 1853. Sps. Richard Davey and Sarah Lundy Mary 1856. Sps. Hugh Davey and Mary Ann Davey Catherine 1859. Sps. Bernard Rice and Catherine Davey and, James Rice and Margaret Davey Margaret 1860. Sp. Eliz. Dornan The following entry is from the Loughinisalnd RC parish register which I saw in Dublin. Baptisms. Sept 3, 1812 Bridget of Peter Rice. Sps. Peter Davey and his wife(sic) Marriage: Pat Davey of Mageradrool(ie Parish, I beieve, not the townland of the same name) and Bridget Rice of Magheradrool. Lic by Mr. Reavey ac by Mr Carman(sic) These family relations thus go back into the 18th cent. At this remote how I might relate specifically to these people is impossible to determine. But my Davey roots go back to this time period in thsi place so I beleive that in some way I am indeed related to them all. On a snowy night in eastern Canada, Regards, Owen Since I only researched my own family connections through these registers I do not doubt that there are many other Rice family members referd to their. ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family Hi Owen, Some Rices are of Welsh origin but those would be from the Province of Munster. Edward MacLysaght who is the definitive word on surnames of Ireland states in his "Irish Families, Their Names, Arms and Origins": "Rice (O'Mulcreevy) The name Rice in Ireland is of two very different origins. The Rices of Oriel (Counties Armagh, Monaghan and parts of south Down, Louth and Fermanagh)), now found chiefly in Louth and Armagh- counties comprised in that area - are Gaelic, being called O'Maolcraoibhe in Irish. The anglicizing of this surname as Rice is curious; the word craohb from which the name is derived means a branch. In County Down in O'Donovan's time -mid 1800s) families of the name were known both as Mulcreevy and Rice, not, he adds, as might be expected Bushe. In Munster Creaghs are of quite different descent . The Rices of Munster are WELSH in origin, Rhys being their name in Wales. Though never numerous, from the 14th century onwards they were influential in Counties Limerick adn Kerry; many appear in town life as proviosts, mayors and sheriffs of Limerick, Cork and Waterford and as landed proprietors in Counties Limerick and Kerry, where they settled near Dingle. Sir Stephen Rice was amont the prominent Jacobites who suffered for their adhesion to the cause of James II." There is more information about the Munster Rice family. Since my Rices are from South Down I it would be the Gaelic Rice family MacLysaght describes. In Surnames of Ireland, MacLysaght states the Munster Rices are of Welsh origin and the Oriel Rices are O'Maolcraoibhe - Gaelic. Many Irish names were not correctly anglicized because the English were not familiar with Gaeigle, that probably explains why Rice is not the correct translation of O'Maolcraoibhe (O'Mulcreevy). I checked the Spinning Wheel List of 1796 aka Flax Growers List of 1796;over 5,000 names are listed for County Down. There were a few Rices in County Down and one in the Parish of Drumgooland where my Rice came from. I didn't find any McCreevys listed, but then of course everyone did not grow flax and apply for spinning wheels. Owen, which parish are your Rices from? Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family Margaret. Do you put any stock in the suggestion that the origin for the Irish name Rice is the Welsh name Rhys? Regards, Owen Davey, Canada ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1881 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 5:59 PM

Margaret. Do you put any stock in the suggestion that the origin for the Irish name Rice is the Welsh name Rhys? Regards, Owen Davey, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family The posting about the Rice family came through to my email without a message. Could Michelle Roberts please resend the post. I am researching the Rice family of Kinghill, Islandmoyle, Clonduff Parish and Magheramayo, Drumgooland Parish,and would be interested in reading your post. Also some of the Rices went over to Millom, District of Bootle, Cumberland. Thank you, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM

On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:40:38 -0000, you wrote: >Hi David > >There is a James Stewart, age 52, living in the Townland of Lisnisk >(http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141767/). > >This could be the landowner for the Stewart family you found. Look at >the signature at the bottom of Form A for the 4 siblings. Although >Susan Stewart is the head of the household, the signature is by James >Stewart. Compare this signature on the form for James and Mary - they >look strikingly similar. > >If James was the father of the 4 siblings, it looks like he was >widowed or divorced as he was married to his wife Mary for only 2 >years. > >Regards > >Stan Hi Stan, Well spotted. Thanks for that. Yes, I'm sure that the signatures are the same. It explains why the the relationship to the head of the family [Susan] for the 3 men is incorrectly given as "Son" because it was dad who filled the form in. Also, the occupation of carpenter is the same as Joseph. Again, thanks for your help. -- David

Update to posting of July, 2007.? We have now proven that William b. 1821 and d. 1899 in Newtownards, a carpenter, married Elizabeth Peaden/Peden in 1845, was the father of Robert Henry and eleven other children: Robert Alexander, James, Martha, Emily, William James, Ellen Jane, Thomas, Margaret, Catherine, Annabelle, and John. We have located most of these children but still seeking John, b. 1871.? He was a shoemaker and last signed papers in 1910 but does not appear on the 1911 Census. Did he emigrate to Australia or Africa?? Also seeking Robert, b. 1780, father of William, who lived in Newtownards and died after 1845.? Any information regarding any of these family members would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.?? Beverly

Hi Owen, Some Rices are of Welsh origin but those would be from the Province of Munster. Edward MacLysaght who is the definitive word on surnames of Ireland states in his "Irish Families, Their Names, Arms and Origins": "Rice (O'Mulcreevy) The name Rice in Ireland is of two very different origins. The Rices of Oriel (Counties Armagh, Monaghan and parts of south Down, Louth and Fermanagh)), now found chiefly in Louth and Armagh- counties comprised in that area - are Gaelic, being called O'Maolcraoibhe in Irish. The anglicizing of this surname as Rice is curious; the word craohb from which the name is derived means a branch. In County Down in O'Donovan's time -mid 1800s) families of the name were known both as Mulcreevy and Rice, not, he adds, as might be expected Bushe. In Munster Creaghs are of quite different descent . The Rices of Munster are WELSH in origin, Rhys being their name in Wales. Though never numerous, from the 14th century onwards they were influential in Counties Limerick adn Kerry; many appear in town life as proviosts, mayors and sheriffs of Limerick, Cork and Waterford and as landed proprietors in Counties Limerick and Kerry, where they settled near Dingle. Sir Stephen Rice was amont the prominent Jacobites who suffered for their adhesion to the cause of James II." There is more information about the Munster Rice family. Since my Rices are from South Down I it would be the Gaelic Rice family MacLysaght describes. In Surnames of Ireland, MacLysaght states the Munster Rices are of Welsh origin and the Oriel Rices are O'Maolcraoibhe - Gaelic. Many Irish names were not correctly anglicized because the English were not familiar with Gaeigle, that probably explains why Rice is not the correct translation of O'Maolcraoibhe (O'Mulcreevy). I checked the Spinning Wheel List of 1796 aka Flax Growers List of 1796;over 5,000 names are listed for County Down. There were a few Rices in County Down and one in the Parish of Drumgooland where my Rice came from. I didn't find any McCreevys listed, but then of course everyone did not grow flax and apply for spinning wheels. Owen, which parish are your Rices from? Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family Margaret. Do you put any stock in the suggestion that the origin for the Irish name Rice is the Welsh name Rhys? Regards, Owen Davey, Canada ----- Original Message -----

Hi. I found in the recently released Co Down census [http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ ] a few names that I am interested in. These included: In Tirkelly in the Lisnisk Townland Susan Stewart, age 26 Joseph Stewart age 22 Samuel Stewart age 15 and Alfred Stewart age 15 Form A is at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141763/ On the Form B1 line 12 [at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141735/], the name of the Landholder is given as James Stewart. Now James Stewart if the father of these 4 [& Edith mentioned below] so he must be around somewhere but so far I have not found him as I have neither age, occupation or location to help identy him. However the right hand column [19] on Form B1 which is headed "No. on Form M1 if House is on the Holding of a Landholder". Against thee name of James Stewart is the figure 20. Any suggestions please on how this information might be used to find James? Another sibling is Edith Stewart and I believe this is her in Tirkelly age 14 : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141484/ living with an aunt/uncle named Stewart [a farmer] & Matilda Knox. I suspect that Matilda is a sibling of James because I am unaware of any aunts/uncles on their mother's side named Stewart or Matilda. James Stewart was married to Elizabeth Brontë, daughter of William Brontë & Mary Ann Honnah Another sibling that I have not found is William Stewart, born in Ballyward, Banbridge. He is probably the oldest of the 6 children & may well have left Co Down for South Africa by 1911. Later in life William hyphenated his surname to Brontë-Stewart which his descendants use to this day. If anyone else is researching these Stewarts & would like to exchange genealogy information then please get in touch with me. -- David

Hi. I found in the recently released Co Down census [http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ ] a few names that I am interested in. These included: In Tirkelly in the Lisnisk Townland Susan Stewart, age 26 Joseph Stewart age 22 Samuel Stewart age 15 and Alfred Stewart age 15 Form A is at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141763/ On the Form B1 line 12 [at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141735/], the name of the Landholder is given as James Stewart. Now James Stewart if the father of these 4 [& Edith mentioned below] so he must be around somewhere but so far I have not found him as I have neither age, occupation or location to help identy him. However the right hand column [19] on Form B1 which is headed "No. on Form M1 if House is on the Holding of a Landholder". Against thee name of James Stewart is the figure 20. Any suggestions please on how this information might be used to find James? Another sibling is Edith Stewart and I believe this is her in Tirkelly age 14 : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141484/ living with an aunt/uncle named Stewart [a farmer] & Matilda Knox. I suspect that Matilda is a sibling of James because I am unaware of any aunts/uncles on their mother's side named Stewart or Matilda. James Stewart was married to Elizabeth Brontë, daughter of William Brontë & Mary Ann Honnah Another sibling that I have not found is William Stewart, born in Ballyward, Banbridge. He is probably the oldest of the 6 children & may well have left Co Down for South Africa by 1911. Later in life William hyphenated his surname to Brontë-Stewart which his descendants use to this day. If anyone else is researching these Stewarts & would like to exchange genealogy information then please get in touch with me. -- Regards David Skype name: themillans Now on Facebook

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David As I posted on another mailing list, there is a James Stewart, age 52, living in the Townland of Lisnisk (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141767/). This could be the landowner for the Stewart family you found. Look at the signature at the bottom of Form A for the 4 siblings. Although Susan Stewart is the head of the household, the signature is by James Stewart. Compare this signature on the form for James and Mary - they look strikingly similar. If James was the father of the 4 siblings, it looks like he was widowed or divorced as he was married to his wife Mary for only 2 years. Regards Stan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Millan Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:51 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Stewart family in the 1911 census living in Tirkelly Hi. I found in the recently released Co Down census [http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ ] a few names that I am interested in. These included: In Tirkelly in the Lisnisk Townland Susan Stewart, age 26 Joseph Stewart age 22 Samuel Stewart age 15 and Alfred Stewart age 15 Form A is at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141763/ On the Form B1 line 12 [at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141735/], the name of the Landholder is given as James Stewart. Now James Stewart if the father of these 4 [& Edith mentioned below] so he must be around somewhere but so far I have not found him as I have neither age, occupation or location to help identy him. However the right hand column [19] on Form B1 which is headed "No. on Form M1 if House is on the Holding of a Landholder". Against thee name of James Stewart is the figure 20. Any suggestions please on how this information might be used to find James? Another sibling is Edith Stewart and I believe this is her in Tirkelly age 14 : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002141484/ living with an aunt/uncle named Stewart [a farmer] & Matilda Knox. I suspect that Matilda is a sibling of James because I am unaware of any aunts/uncles on their mother's side named Stewart or Matilda. James Stewart was married to Elizabeth Brontë, daughter of William Brontë & Mary Ann Honnah Another sibling that I have not found is William Stewart, born in Ballyward, Banbridge. He is probably the oldest of the 6 children & may well have left Co Down for South Africa by 1911. Later in life William hyphenated his surname to Brontë-Stewart which his descendants use to this day. If anyone else is researching these Stewarts & would like to exchange genealogy information then please get in touch with me. -- David ------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The posting about the Rice family came through to my email without a message. Could Michelle Roberts please resend the post. I am researching the Rice family of Kinghill, Islandmoyle, Clonduff Parish and Magheramayo, Drumgooland Parish,and would be interested in reading your post. Also some of the Rices went over to Millom, District of Bootle, Cumberland. Thank you, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rice Family > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nan you have a good point there. I was concentrating on the fact that having married in Toronto they most probably emigrated there and as it was part of the Commonwealth it might have been easier for them coming from Northern Ireland. However I guess one or both may have gone to the US first. I have had a look at Rootsweb Names for McMinn and there are a lot in the Pennsylvania area but as yet haven't connected any "dots' to these two. I think it might be worthwhile persuing your thought. many thanks Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Brennan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Canadian Passenger Lists c 1875 > Judith, > > Do you think they may have arrived in the US, then gone to Canada > married there, > then returned to the US? > > Nan > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Judith and Graeme Collins wrote: > >> Nan thank you for your comprehensive reply. >> >> Sarah and Robert had moved to Pennsylvania and I found them in the >> 1880 >> American Census. >> >> On the 1880 census no Immigration date is mentioned but the 1900 >> census for >> the United States he quotes 1876 as year of Immigration, 1910 census >> he >> quotes 1876 also but 1920 census he quoted 1880. I wonder if the >> 1880 date >> relates to when Sarah and he went to Pennsylvania and arrived in >> time for >> the Census.? >> >> However I don't know how or when they arrived in Canada . I was >> thinking >> that if it was 1876 then maybe they met on the ship and married >> shortly >> after in the Feb 1877 therefore hoping if I found one on a passenger >> list I >> could find the other. Oh well back to the drawing board they must be >> on a >> list somewhere. >> >> many thanks for your kindness in helping >> >> Judith >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nan Brennan" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Canadian Passenger Lists c 1875 >> >> >>> >>> There is a marriage record for a Robert McMinn age 28 from Co Tyrone >>> and Sarah Jane Armstrong, age 23 >>> in York Ontario on Feb 1 1877. Robert's parents were John and Jane >>> McGinn >>> Sarah Jane Armstrong was 23 daughter of Andrew and Elizabeth >>> Armstrong >>> of Co Down. >>> Witnesses were Mary B Wallace and Maggie McDonald. >>> >>> I could not find them in the 1881 Canada census. >>> >>> None of the passenger records fit your time frame unless Sarah came >>> much earlier >>> than you thought: >>> >>> There was a Sarah Armstrong that arrived at Quebec in Aug 1868 age 17 >>> no place origin given, >>> but listed as Irish. Ship name was "The Austrian" >>> >>> >>> There was a Robert McMinn traveling later, listed in Quebec >>> immigration records >>> for July 1888. He was 26. No country of origin , ship or date or >>> arrival given. >>> A few lines above him was a Sarah McMinn 25, and a Charles McMinn >>> 18. >>> All three were headed for Toronto. This his is the same Robert McMinn >>> listed in a separate record as >>> arriving 14 Jul 1888 on the Sarmatian that sailed from Liverpool and >>> Londonderry. >>> This doesn't fit either unless those ages were wrong and they >>> returned >>> to Ireland after >>> their Toronto marriage and then back again. >>> >>> There is another Ancestry Index "Passenger and Immigration Lists >>> Index >>> 1500s-1900s" >>> that has four Robert McMinns arriving in Toronto all in the year 1871 >>> age 36, age 50, age 50, age 70. No further info on this list, ie no >>> place of origins. >>> There is no passenger list image for this file. None of these would >>> fit the age of the >>> Robert McMinn married to Sarah Armstrong in Toronto in 1877. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Nan would you have access to the following: >>>> >>>> Sarah Jane Armstrong travelling to ?Toronto c 1875 -76 from County >>>> Down >>>> >>>> Robert McMinn travelling to Toronto from County Tyrone possibly >>>> similiar >>>> period. >>>> >>>> >>>> Many thanks >>>> Judith >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> Searchable list archive at >>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Searchable list archive at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nan thank you for your comprehensive reply. Sarah and Robert had moved to Pennsylvania and I found them in the 1880 American Census. On the 1880 census no Immigration date is mentioned but the 1900 census for the United States he quotes 1876 as year of Immigration, 1910 census he quotes 1876 also but 1920 census he quoted 1880. I wonder if the 1880 date relates to when Sarah and he went to Pennsylvania and arrived in time for the Census.? However I don't know how or when they arrived in Canada . I was thinking that if it was 1876 then maybe they met on the ship and married shortly after in the Feb 1877 therefore hoping if I found one on a passenger list I could find the other. Oh well back to the drawing board they must be on a list somewhere. many thanks for your kindness in helping Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Brennan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Canadian Passenger Lists c 1875 > > There is a marriage record for a Robert McMinn age 28 from Co Tyrone > and Sarah Jane Armstrong, age 23 > in York Ontario on Feb 1 1877. Robert's parents were John and Jane > McGinn > Sarah Jane Armstrong was 23 daughter of Andrew and Elizabeth Armstrong > of Co Down. > Witnesses were Mary B Wallace and Maggie McDonald. > > I could not find them in the 1881 Canada census. > > None of the passenger records fit your time frame unless Sarah came > much earlier > than you thought: > > There was a Sarah Armstrong that arrived at Quebec in Aug 1868 age 17 > no place origin given, > but listed as Irish. Ship name was "The Austrian" > > > There was a Robert McMinn traveling later, listed in Quebec > immigration records > for July 1888. He was 26. No country of origin , ship or date or > arrival given. > A few lines above him was a Sarah McMinn 25, and a Charles McMinn 18. > All three were headed for Toronto. This his is the same Robert McMinn > listed in a separate record as > arriving 14 Jul 1888 on the Sarmatian that sailed from Liverpool and > Londonderry. > This doesn't fit either unless those ages were wrong and they returned > to Ireland after > their Toronto marriage and then back again. > > There is another Ancestry Index "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index > 1500s-1900s" > that has four Robert McMinns arriving in Toronto all in the year 1871 > age 36, age 50, age 50, age 70. No further info on this list, ie no > place of origins. > There is no passenger list image for this file. None of these would > fit the age of the > Robert McMinn married to Sarah Armstrong in Toronto in 1877. > > > > > > > > >> Nan would you have access to the following: >> >> Sarah Jane Armstrong travelling to ?Toronto c 1875 -76 from County >> Down >> >> Robert McMinn travelling to Toronto from County Tyrone possibly >> similiar >> period. >> >> >> Many thanks >> Judith >> >> ------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >