Thank you for your response Chris. The other 8 children were all born in the U.S. I've never had any indication that the father was Quaker. I don't know their church affiliation in the U.S.; I always assumed it was Presbyterian. Barbara Shannon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Langdon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] National Register of Quakers > Hi Barbara, > > Were the other children listed in the Quaker Register? Was the father Quaker? Marriages would generally be in the bride's church. > > There's some information about the National Register of Quakers and the Quakers in Ireland in the following: > http://www.northernirelandancestry.com/ChurchRecords.htm > > Chris Langdon > > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 at 08:13:35 -0500 > From: "Barbara Shannon" <[email protected]> said: > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Help Please - National Register of Quakers > > I recently looked at Raymond's site and found a birth record for my > great-grandparents first child, Agnes Shannon. The source is listed as > National Register of Quakers. > > I find this information very curious because everything I've found > previously indicated that they were Reformed Presbyterians; including a > record of their marriage less than a year prior. > > I've googled this register and couldn't find an adequate explanation of > these records. Would this indicate that they were Quakers at the time of > their daughter's birth or is there another explanation? > > Barbara Shannon > > > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joni, I would recommend posting again on the Monaghan list since Catherine was from there originally. Also look out for variant spellings such as McAvinney. According to the book, 'The Monaghan Story'.... "McAVINNEY (Mac Giolla Coimhne) - Herenachs at Callowhill in Fermanagh. Some of the Monaghan McAvinneys may have descended from the Breffny family of Mac Dhuibhne. Today's distribution is 5 North, 15 West, 9 Central and 3 South." Good Luck! Claire McConville On 11/01/2009 05:16, "Joni Rabena" <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm helping a friend research his family. His great grandparents were Hugh > Skillen and Catherine McAvenney. Catherine was from County Monaghan. She > was born approximately 1864. Her father's name was Connor McAveeney. She > was married to Hugh Skillen on 11/4/1884 in Newcastle, County Down. I have > their marriage registration. I am trying to find out more about her father, > Connor McAveeney. So far I have found no records of him anywhere. We do > not know for sure, but we think Catherine was Catholic and Hugh was > Protestant. Any suggestions? > > > Joni

----- Original Message ----- From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] [S-I] Research websites that may be of interest > Hi Sharon, I'm embarrassed to admit that although I have carried out > research for others on these lists at Proni and GRO in Belfast I haven't > actually done too much research on my own family tree.. oops.. > > Sharon. > Belfast > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Oddie Brown" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Research websites that may be of interest > > > I saw your last name and wondered if you might be related to the Rev. > David > DAVIDSON AKA DAVISON (1795-1858) of Ballystockart, Co. Down. He married a > Jane COULTER (b. 1796) in 1821. Just curious. > Sharon Oddie Brown > Roberts Creek, BC, Canada > History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:55 AM > Subject: [S-I] Research websites that may be of interest > > >> Hi all, >> Just got this sent to me from another rootsweb site and thought it may be >> of >> interest to others in your quest for those elusive ancestors. >> >> Regards >> Sharon Davison (in cold, wet and windy Belfast)... >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 > 7:59 PM > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 393 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Chris > I'll assume than the administrative districts map would be relevant to the districts used when Protestant marriage civil registration began in 1845 and for all civil registration events (including marriages for all) in 1864. Yes, that would be correct. It is interesting to note that the introduction to the1851 Census Index (also known as the General Index) says: "The volume and page of the Townland census, from which information may be procured as to the Population, and Houses, in 1841 and 1851, and the Poor Law Valuation, in 1851, are also given. " - these columns aren't shown in the Sean Ruad index. The 1851 Census Index therefore was probably compiled initially in the 1830s and while some changes would certainly have occurred, it is probably a reasonably accurate "picture" of the parishes from perhaps the turn of the century up until at least the mid to late 1850s. The re-survey for the 1" maps and the Griffith Valuation would have taken place in the latter half of the 1850s, and while I am not clear when Griffith's changes would have become official, it was probably as of the release date of the valuations in each county. Note that at this stage the maps for all counties other than Fermanagh show Griffith's boundaries, but changes from the 1851 boundaries (that I'm aware of) are included in the notes. The most significant changes in Down were mainly in the Lecale Upper & Lower baronies - ie to the SE of Downpatrick. I am hoping to update Down and Antrim next (I'm psyching myself up to make a start as it is a bit of a hard slog) and so 'watch this space'! If anyone has an accurate townland list from the Griffith valuation I would really appreciate a copy - and it would put Down on the top of the to do list :>)! I believe that the Ordnance Surveys - which consist of the information gathered as part of the 1830s surveys, which didn't belong on the maps - were abandoned due to cost, which is a pity as the info in Antrim and Derry is incredibly detailed. > Does anyone know if GRONI has Administraive Districts Maps showing when the district boundaries changed? If so can copies be obtained from them? > I'm not aware of any such maps, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there weren't some tucked away in the OSNI archives. There are later versions of the 1851 Index for other censuses too (but I haven't obtained copies of them) from which you could work this out.if you had lists of the districts the townlands were in at other times. However, I suspect that the Griffith definitions were reasonably stable and are much the same today. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com> Chris Langdon wrote: > Hi Murray, > > Thanks very much. You've put alot of work into that. I'll assume than the administrative districts map would be relevant to the districts used when Protestant marriage civil registration began in 1845 and for all civil registration events (including marriages for all) in 1864. > > Lewis Topographical Dictionary of 1837 describes each civil parish but doesn't list the townlands in each. The Ordnance Survey Memoirs for County Down unfortunately aren't as detailed as those for the southern counties because they apparently were under time constraints to complete them since County Down was one of the last counties finished. > > Chris Langdon > > > On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:35:15 +1300 > >> From: Murray <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Administrative Districts Map >> Upgrade >> To: [email protected] >> > > >> Hi Chris >> >> As I mentioned, they are based on the 1851 Census and the >> Griffith >> valuation (ie ca 1860). >> >> The districts changed continually and so any database like >> this is >> simply a snapshot of a particular time, however the 1851 >> census is >> probably a good representation of the Civil Parishes pre >> 1850 and the >> Griffith Valuation a close representation post 1860. As >> there are some >> very significant changes in which townland was in which >> civil parish >> between these two dates (see the area east of Enniskillen >> in Fermanagh >> for example), I am intending to go back through the other >> counties I >> have already included and add both the 1851 and Griffith >> definitions >> (currently differences are noted in the pop-up window for >> each parish >> affected). >> >> For anyone interested in the extent of these changes, have >> a look at the >> maps of the 4 parts of Derrybrusk Civil Parish in 1851 >> (plotted in black >> - turn off the icons to make it easier to see) and then add >> the 4 parts >> as defined in Griffith (plotted in blue). The northern >> section is >> identical, but there are very few of the same townlands >> remaining in >> Derrybrusk in the southern part after Griffith's >> changes. >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Murray >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for >> ... >> >> * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand >> Cemeteries >> >> <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> >> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world >> with NZ >> service burials) >> * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland >> >> <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> >> * Our Family History >> <http://family.kiwicelts.com> >> > > > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I'm helping a friend research his family. His great grandparents were Hugh Skillen and Catherine McAvenney. Catherine was from County Monaghan. She was born approximately 1864. Her father's name was Connor McAveeney. She was married to Hugh Skillen on 11/4/1884 in Newcastle, County Down. I have their marriage registration. I am trying to find out more about her father, Connor McAveeney. So far I have found no records of him anywhere. We do not know for sure, but we think Catherine was Catholic and Hugh was Protestant. Any suggestions? Joni

Diane/Michelle With this "new" information set it out as an "unproved" family as a separate section from the "proved" family of Matthew Rice. This will help you to build "evidence" to confirm if this family is connected. You second point about the Brother being in the 1st Bn of the Rifle Brigade. You may need to contact the Public Records Office to find their Muster Roll for that period. During WWII some of the Old Army records were destroyed - I think by bombing - so lets hope it was not these records. Or you may like to join the [email protected] Net list for short time to ask its members how you may go about find this brothers name. Some of their members would have more specific knowledge about these records than I do. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Hettrick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rice <Michelle is having technical difficulties, hence the blank messages. I'm posting this for her in the interim - Diane> Hi List I am on annual leave here in hot Western Australia and finally trying to continue with research. I had some information from Owen Davey re the Rices and also on Ros Davies website which lead me to Bridget Brennan. What I am not clear on - I am only assuming these Rices are also mine. There is no definite something to say YES! My Matthew Rice was born Ballynahinch and baptised Loughinisland RC Church on 7.5.1818. I found others baptised similar time at same place all with dad John. Assume they are siblings. They were John Rice c1806, William Rice c1808, James Rice c1810, Frances Rice c1815 and then of course Matthew. This dad John is possibly sibling to James, Philip, Edward, Peter and Ann, all with parents James Rice and Margaret Grimes who were married around 1788. All born Loughinisland. Is it ok to assume but be not sure, to claim this family? I would really like to know definitely but is this something that eventually happens when researching? Do you just make a note in files not verified or something? Matthew Rice joined the military on 20.10.1834 supposedly 18 years (that would mean 1816 born). He joined 74rgt, then transferred to 1st battn, rifle brigade to serve with brother. He served 21 years. He married in England and after a number of wars and discharge from military, came out to WA. I am thinking if I find out the brother's name in the military then I can confirm at least Owen's info. Any ideas? Cheers Michelle Roberts (nee Rice) --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sharon, I'm embarrassed to admit that although I have carried out research for others on these lists at Proni and GRO in Belfast I haven't actually done too much research on my own family tree.. oops.. Sharon. Belfast ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Oddie Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Research websites that may be of interest I saw your last name and wondered if you might be related to the Rev. David DAVIDSON AKA DAVISON (1795-1858) of Ballystockart, Co. Down. He married a Jane COULTER (b. 1796) in 1821. Just curious. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:55 AM Subject: [S-I] Research websites that may be of interest > Hi all, > Just got this sent to me from another rootsweb site and thought it may be > of > interest to others in your quest for those elusive ancestors. > > Regards > Sharon Davison (in cold, wet and windy Belfast)... > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 393 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello, Brackenagh East [441 acres]and Brackenagh West [606 acres] are townlands in the Parish of Kilkeel County Down There is also Brackenagh Upper East in the same Parish. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:27:59 -0600> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Re Brackenagh> > Thanks for your reply, Judith.> > I had looked at Ros Davies site, but then later went to seanruad, too.> I found there is a Brackney in Antrim and another in Kildare.> > Nan> > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:> > > Regarding question about Brackenagh townland. Ros Davies site has a > > slightly> > different alternate spelling to the one mentioned which may help. It > > is> > Brecknogh and is from the 1659 census. see placenames link on Ros' > > site.> > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/_> > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/)> >> >> > Hello _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.  See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/

Thank you, Robert. On Jan 10, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Ulster Ancestry wrote: > > > Hello, > > Brackenagh East [441 acres]and Brackenagh West [606 acres] are > townlands in the Parish of Kilkeel County Down > There is also Brackenagh Upper East in the same Parish. > > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > > > >> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: >> Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:27:59 -0600> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Re >> Brackenagh> > Thanks for your reply, Judith.> > I had looked at Ros >> Davies site, but then later went to seanruad, too.> I found there >> is a Brackney in Antrim and another in Kildare.> > Nan> > > On Jan >> 6, 2009, at 12:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:> > > Regarding >> question about Brackenagh townland. Ros Davies site has a > > >> slightly> > different alternate spelling to the one mentioned which >> may help. It > > is> > Brecknogh and is from the 1659 census. see >> placenames link on Ros' > > site.> > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/_ >> > > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/)> >> >> >> > > Hello > _________________________________________________________________ > Imagine a life without walls. See the possibilities > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Jean, Thanks for posting the EPPI site, Enhanced British Parliamentary Papers on Ireland 1801-1922. Great for information about County Down and other counties too. Chris Langdon On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 at 22:09:59 +0000, "Jean McCarthy" <[email protected]> said: Subject: [NIR-DOWN] New Site for Irish research well new to me at least Here is a site that maybe will assist you in your search for the elusive ancestors in Ireland http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/ssearch just put in the surname and search and then click on Viewable text and enlarge and print have a look, you never know what you might find.... Jean McCarthy nee Moore

Hi Nan, The Ireland Townland Database at http://www.seanruad.com lists the following four Brackenagh townlands in Kilkeel Civil Parish: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Brackenagh East 441 Down Mourne Kilkeel Kilkeel Ulster Brackenagh East Up. 379 Down Mourne Kilkeel Kilkeel Ulster Brackenagh West 606 Down Mourne Kilkeel Kilkeel Ulster Brackenagh West Up. 263 Down Mourne Kilkeel Kilkeel Ulster Chris Langdon On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 at 18:13:39 -0600, From: Nan Brennan <[email protected]> said: Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Brackenagh Brackenaugh ??Brackagh is Brackagh another name for Brackenagh/Brackenaugh in the Mourne/Kilkeel area?

Hi Pete, The parish records are also held locally at the parish although St. John's in Drumballyroney has closed. Here's the link to the parish with contact information: http://www.downanddromore.org/drumgath/ Chris Langdon On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 at 19:28:12 -0000 > From: "Peter J Meaney" said: > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Drumballyroney CI Parish Records > To: <[email protected]> > Many thanks to Robert & Chris and all the other listers > who kindly offered > advice on the location of these records. > > Pete

Hi List, Does anyone know if GRONI has Administraive Districts Maps showing when the district boundaries changed? If so can copies be obtained from them? Chris Langdon

Hi Murray, Thanks very much. You've put alot of work into that. I'll assume than the administrative districts map would be relevant to the districts used when Protestant marriage civil registration began in 1845 and for all civil registration events (including marriages for all) in 1864. Lewis Topographical Dictionary of 1837 describes each civil parish but doesn't list the townlands in each. The Ordnance Survey Memoirs for County Down unfortunately aren't as detailed as those for the southern counties because they apparently were under time constraints to complete them since County Down was one of the last counties finished. Chris Langdon On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:35:15 +1300 > From: Murray <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Administrative Districts Map > Upgrade > To: [email protected] > Hi Chris > > As I mentioned, they are based on the 1851 Census and the > Griffith > valuation (ie ca 1860). > > The districts changed continually and so any database like > this is > simply a snapshot of a particular time, however the 1851 > census is > probably a good representation of the Civil Parishes pre > 1850 and the > Griffith Valuation a close representation post 1860. As > there are some > very significant changes in which townland was in which > civil parish > between these two dates (see the area east of Enniskillen > in Fermanagh > for example), I am intending to go back through the other > counties I > have already included and add both the 1851 and Griffith > definitions > (currently differences are noted in the pop-up window for > each parish > affected). > > For anyone interested in the extent of these changes, have > a look at the > maps of the 4 parts of Derrybrusk Civil Parish in 1851 > (plotted in black > - turn off the icons to make it easier to see) and then add > the 4 parts > as defined in Griffith (plotted in blue). The northern > section is > identical, but there are very few of the same townlands > remaining in > Derrybrusk in the southern part after Griffith's > changes. > > > > Kind Regards > > Murray > Christchurch > New Zealand > > Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for > ... > > * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand > Cemeteries > > <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> > (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world > with NZ > service burials) > * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland > > <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> > * Our Family History > <http://family.kiwicelts.com>

<Michelle is having technical difficulties, hence the blank messages. I'm posting this for her in the interim - Diane> Hi List I am on annual leave here in hot Western Australia and finally trying to continue with research. I had some information from Owen Davey re the Rices and also on Ros Davies website which lead me to Bridget Brennan.  What I am not clear on - I am only assuming these Rices are also mine.  There is no definite something to say YES! My Matthew Rice was born Ballynahinch and baptised Loughinisland RC Church on 7.5.1818.  I found others baptised similar time at same place all with dad John.  Assume they are siblings.  They were John Rice c1806, William Rice c1808, James Rice c1810, Frances Rice c1815 and then of course Matthew.  This dad John is possibly sibling to James, Philip, Edward, Peter and Ann, all with parents James Rice and Margaret Grimes who were married around 1788. All born Loughinisland. Is it ok to assume but be not sure, to claim this family?  I would really like to know definitely but is this something that eventually happens when researching?  Do you just make a note in files not verified or something? Matthew Rice joined the military on 20.10.1834 supposedly 18 years (that would mean 1816 born).  He joined 74rgt, then transferred to 1st battn, rifle brigade to serve with brother.  He served 21 years.  He married in England and after a number of wars and discharge from military, came out to WA. I am thinking if I find out the brother's name in the military then I can confirm at least Owen's info.  Any ideas? Cheers Michelle Roberts (nee Rice)

Thanks for your reply, Judith. I had looked at Ros Davies site, but then later went to seanruad, too. I found there is a Brackney in Antrim and another in Kildare. Nan On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Regarding question about Brackenagh townland. Ros Davies site has a > slightly > different alternate spelling to the one mentioned which may help. It > is > Brecknogh and is from the 1659 census. see placenames link on Ros' > site. > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/) > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > ------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Chris As I mentioned, they are based on the 1851 Census and the Griffith valuation (ie ca 1860). The districts changed continually and so any database like this is simply a snapshot of a particular time, however the 1851 census is probably a good representation of the Civil Parishes pre 1850 and the Griffith Valuation a close representation post 1860. As there are some very significant changes in which townland was in which civil parish between these two dates (see the area east of Enniskillen in Fermanagh for example), I am intending to go back through the other counties I have already included and add both the 1851 and Griffith definitions (currently differences are noted in the pop-up window for each parish affected). For anyone interested in the extent of these changes, have a look at the maps of the 4 parts of Derrybrusk Civil Parish in 1851 (plotted in black - turn off the icons to make it easier to see) and then add the 4 parts as defined in Griffith (plotted in blue). The northern section is identical, but there are very few of the same townlands remaining in Derrybrusk in the southern part after Griffith's changes. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com> Chris Langdon wrote: > Hi Murray, > > What year or years do your Administrative Districts cover? > > Chris Langdon > > > On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 at 13:58:38 +1300 > >> From: Murray <[email protected]> said: >> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Administrative District Map upgrade >> To: [email protected] >> >> I have just updated my webpage Interactive Administrative >> District map >> of Ireland >> <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> to >> make >> it easier to use (at least I hope that it will!) - you may >> need to press >> F5 to update the page. >> >> As each different browser and screen can effect what you >> see, if anyone >> has any issues could you please let me know as soon as >> possible (I would >> love to get your feedback regardless!). >> >> --------------------- >> >> As well as upgrading the user interface I have added the >> ability to see >> two versions of the civil parishes (in both the maps and >> lists of >> townlands): as they were in the 1851 census and as they >> were in the >> Griffith Valuation. >> >> In the process of doing the valuation, Griffith decided to >> 're-engineer' >> parishes, apparently to join outlying townlands into their >> surrounding >> parishes and to balance populations. As he had been >> previously told not >> to do this, he was quickly stopped. Previously I thought >> that the >> changes he made were restricted largely to Antrim and Down, >> but in >> updating the database for Fermanagh I found that he had >> also made >> significant changes there too. It would appear that he >> started work on a >> number of fronts and so it is possible that such changes >> were made in >> many counties. >> >> The website now lists two civil parishes: Civil Parish >> (1851 Census) and >> Civil Parish (Griffith Valuation), the maps for each are >> drawn in >> different colours to allow you to easily see changes, and >> the actual >> townlands are listed for each type. >> >> So far I have only updated Fermanagh and so elsewhere the >> Civil Parishes >> (until I update each of the other counties) are listed as >> being from the >> 1851 census version even if they are not. If I am aware >> that the two >> versions are different however, the notes in the pop-up >> window usually >> indicate what changes were made. >> >> -- >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Murray >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for >> ... >> >> * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand >> Cemeteries >> >> <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> >> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world >> with NZ >> service burials) >> * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland >> >> <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> >> * Our Family History >> <http://family.kiwicelts.com> >> > > > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Here is a site that maybe will assist you in your search for the elusive ancestors in Ireland http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/ssearch just put in the surname and search and then click on Viewable text and enlarge and print have a look, you never know what you might find.... Jean McCarthy nee Moore -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ [email protected] [email protected]

Jean Thanks for this reference. Just spent a couple of hours on it. Info I haver seen before on Ballynahinch and Magheradrool/Loughinisland parishes. Looks like some of the Rebellion papers will eventually be reased in full. Welcome that day! Regards Owen Davey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean McCarthy" <[email protected]> To: "NIR-DOWN LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] New Site for Irish research well new to me at least > Here is a site that maybe will assist you > in your search for the elusive ancestors in Ireland > > http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/ssearch > > just put in the surname > > and search > > and then click on Viewable text and enlarge and print > > > have a look, you never know what you might find.... > > > Jean McCarthy nee Moore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM

Many thanks to Robert & Chris and all the other listers who kindly offered advice on the location of these records. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulster Ancestry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Drumballyroney CI Parish Records Hello Peter, The registers of Drumballyroney Church of Ireland Church survive, have been filmed and are available as follows: C.I. Drumballyroney (Dromore diocese) Baptisms, 1838-71; marriages, 1838-46; burials, 1839-73; vestry minutes, 1870-1902; registration book, 1870. Preachers’ books, 1869-. The above are in PRONI for sure, but I cann't say about the Family History Centers. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > Church of Ireland parish records for Drumballyroney do not seem to be > available in the LDS catalogue. Is anyone able to tell if these records > exist and if so whether they are accessible anywhere?> > Regards, Pete.> > > > > > ---------------------------------> 469 list members as of 8 Jan > 2009> ---------------------------------> Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN> -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message