Dear Sharon, I have forwarded your enquiry to a Michael J Harley who is an expert on sundials, and has a special interest in sundials in Northern Ireland. He lives in Londonderry, Northern Ireland. You can find some of his work on the internet by searching for his name and the word 'sundial'. He was able to help me 5 years ago when I was writing an article about a sundial for the Lecale Review, a local history journal which covers Lecale (east Co. Down (includes Ardglass/Ringfad). The sundial I wrote about was made in 1796 by a William Straney for a William Henry of Ballyhosset. Ballyhosset is only a couple of miles from Ardglass. Billy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Oddie Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ringfad - 1841 Sundial >I have been trying to complete a page on Ardglass, but things keep getting >in my way. In the meantime, here is a page that I have posted about a >sundial engraved with the name of Lieutenant John Martin, Esq. Ringfad. I >don't have a clue who he is (except that he is likely one of my "MARTINs")- >but would be naturally happy to learn more. The page can be viewed at: >http://www.thesilverbowl.com/maps/Ardglass/Sundial-Ringfad.html > Enjoy, > Sharon Oddie Brown > Roberts Creek, BC, Canada > History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear James, William and Anton, Thank you all for your suggestions. I have looked through the ADM (admiralty) and WO records as well as the Naval wills section and found nothing that looked like a likely fit - or else (in the case of the Naval wills) there were too many documents that would have to be purchased in order to see if there is a match. I think I will wait until I have a few more longitudes and latitudes for him genealogy-wise. Once I can winnow it down a little, then the search is likely to be productive. Again, Thank you! Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

The Tiara website is back online. http://tiara.ie/

Shelia, I have a VERY tentative link. I have a number of Wiliam McCormicks in my tree, none the correct age however. I did have McCormick relatives of mine from Belfast who visited Donaghadee in 1933 and their daughter Louise, age 25, died suddenly while there. I always wondered why they were visiting there, thinking that perhaps they were visiting relatives. Here are my McCormicks: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=airriess_family&recno=1448 Andy Airriess

My husband's Great-Aunt ELIZABETH McGIVERN, d/o Hugh McGivern and Jane Scott, b. 1875 Newtownards, married WILLIAM McCORMICK 02 Aug 1899 at First Presbyterian Church, Donaghadee. I haven't see the marriage registration and don't know William McCormick's father's name, but a witness was James McCormick. I haven't been able to find any trace of ELIZABETH (nee McGivern) and WILLIAM McCORMICK after that. All five of Elizabeth's full siblings emigrated to Canada but I haven't found any evidence that she did. Moreover, two of her nieces, who are still living, do not recall their father ever mentioning this sister, which makes me wonder if Elizabeth perhaps died early on in her marriage. Are there any McCORMICK researchers on the list who have these two in their tree? Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you. Sheila McGivern

I have been trying to complete a page on Ardglass, but things keep getting in my way. In the meantime, here is a page that I have posted about a sundial engraved with the name of Lieutenant John Martin, Esq. Ringfad. I don't have a clue who he is (except that he is likely one of my "MARTINs")- but would be naturally happy to learn more. The page can be viewed at: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/maps/Ardglass/Sundial-Ringfad.html Enjoy, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

Hi Jean, Thanks for your note. I have no idea if these folks moved to Scotland. Actually hadn't considered it, but perhaps that is a possibility! Gord Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:38:20 +1100 From: jean old <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Patton, Gault, Callender, Laverty, McCormick, Laughlin, Hamilton, Northern Ireland To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi By any chance do you know if they went to Scotland Regards jean Gord Patton Zurawel Patton Sample Tel: 1-416-303-5494 Fx: 1-905-576-4975 Em: [email protected] www.zps.ca

What is the site Owen? On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Owen Davey <[email protected]> wrote: > This a great new site and thank you to those who alerted us all. I see this development a turning point in NI research. > I spent years, including three trips to Ireland, to find this info. Sort of feel I have been a bit out-flanked, but I am happy for all those for whom this resource will be a "'god-send". In a couple of years or so all the basic information will be on line and easily accesible. Still nothing can ever replace those memorable trips to Ireland! > > One word of caution, there may be un-reliability in this new data in-somuch as some RC parish priest were very slow "to get with the new program". During the transition period when the RC clergy were coming up to speed, I think I am safe in saying that some parish ceremonies did not make it to the civil registration authorities. So if you can not find records where you expect them to exist, check back with the parish records themseves. > > I am not sure if this is the right way to say this, but I have been "be-deviled" over the years by the sloppiness in the way parish preists managed their registers. Events are mis-dated, participants mixed up, and date-order meant nothing at all. I think priests kept their notes on scaps of paper in their pockets and brought their journals up to date as it occured to them. Still, i thank them for their work and the legacy of these documents. > > For a penance, try and work your way though the Magheradrool RC Parish Register. Including the most valuable information, it also portrays every register-keeping error known to man or priest > > My best to you all, especially all the pioneers in Co Down geneology research like Raymond and Ros, and those others who led the way. > > Owen Davey > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- JOHN P. O'HARE

Hello: I am researching the Haslett families that lived in the Ballyroney, Drumballyroney Parish area.   I would love to make contact with any Haslett descendants still living in the  area or anyone who might have information about them. I've found that there are various spellings for this surname - Haslip, Heslop, Hyslop, Hazlett, Heslipp etc   I am specifically interested in a George Haslett whose daughter Sarah and son James married into the Tennant family but I'm sure there were more children as yet unknown. I would really like to fill out the family tree and get a more complete and accurate set of BMD dates for them.   Any suggestions? All help appreciated. Sandra __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.

I'm a new member and may have missed the original post re Hughes. I have Hughes in Inch and Ardglass, Down Bernard Hughes baptized 17 Mar 1799, Inch, Down, Ireland, Mariner, Harbour Master Md Ellen Thompson Children John W. Maxwell Hughes bapt 10 Mar 1816, md Sarah Anne Hughes bapt 13 Aug 1817 md William Corry Eliza Jane Hughes born 25 Oct 1824, md Andrew McKee 18 Mar 1857, parents of 10 children Ellen Hughes born abt 1836, md Thomas Hughes 13 Dec 1857 Downpatrick, Down Richard Hughes, wife unknown, son Stanley John Henry Hughes Martha Hughes Tilly (Matilda?) Hughes md Mr King plus 2 female children, names unknown This is not my direct line, but my cousins. However I have her records on my computer. If interested contact me directly. Nancy McCormack Schaalje Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:07:35 -0000 From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What dates are you looking for? The coverage in the north is not as complete as for the south. I went looking for Stewarts and Hughes and found nothing until I realized post 1922 wasn't covered. Jon

Heaps of thanks to Patricia and Rosemary Joan who kindly provided detailson my Gordon/Stewart posting. George Gordon ,[ parents Henry Gordon and Margaret Fullarton ] m. Mary Ann Stewart [parents John Stewart and ? Stewart ] in St Mary's church Newry in 1852 George's brother Henry m. Mary Ann Coffey there also in 1862 and came to Victoria Shirley

What dates are you looking for? The coverage in the north is not as complete as for the south. I went looking for Stewarts and Hughes and found nothing until I realized post 1922 wasn't covered. Jon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: 27 January 2009 01:23 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs Pennie What spelling variations for McTears did you use? Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs > HI Brenda, > I did try that, and got up a load of McTears, but not mine..... > I guess they must not be on there....don't know why. > Just my luck. > Trued to find William's wife Sarah Lindsay... > that turned out to be a really common name in Co, down. > Ah well... > > but thank you. > Pen > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They are brilliant Andy. RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY AIRRIESS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Maps of Belfast and area online > > > Gentle Listers, > > I have put some maps of Belfast and area online on my Flickr site. This > image: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3208637482/ > > Is an engraving from 1886 that shows Belfast City with a number of > landmarks pointed out. > > This image: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3208624468/in/photostream/ > > is from a different angle and is from 8 years later. It is of particular > interest to me because of the large number of family-related landmarks > that are visible. You can use the legend from the first image to help > identify some of the churches, etc. in this image. > > Finally, this is a high-res image of a map of Belfast and environs. There > is quite a bit of detail available. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3219431456/ > > For all three images, you can select "All Sizes" above each image and > select "Original" for the greatest detail. Feel free to save the images > if you like, but repeated hits on my Flickr site makes me happy. > > Andy Airriess > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pennie What spelling variations for McTears did you use? Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs > HI Brenda, > I did try that, and got up a load of McTears, but not mine..... > I guess they must not be on there....don't know why. > Just my luck. > Trued to find William's wife Sarah Lindsay... > that turned out to be a really common name in Co, down. > Ah well... > > but thank you. > Pen > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Loved the maps, thank you,. I will go back often. E l a i n e J. T h e O t h e r E l a i n e S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A ANDY AIRRIESS wrote: > > Gentle Listers, > > I have put some maps of Belfast and area online on my Flickr site. This image: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3208637482/ > > Is an engraving from 1886 that shows Belfast City with a number of landmarks pointed out. > > This image: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3208624468/in/photostream/ > > is from a different angle and is from 8 years later. It is of particular interest to me because of the large number of family-related landmarks that are visible. You can use the legend from the first image to help identify some of the churches, etc. in this image. > > Finally, this is a high-res image of a map of Belfast and environs. There is quite a bit of detail available. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3219431456/ > > For all three images, you can select "All Sizes" above each image and select "Original" for the greatest detail. Feel free to save the images if you like, but repeated hits on my Flickr site makes me happy. > > Andy Airriess > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1916 - Release Date: 1/26/2009 7:08 AM >

The passenger list is also be on NSW state records site http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx go to immigration and shipping then sydney and newcastle then select the vessel and year and leave the family name blank and the list will be provided Kerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "smegraw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emmigrant Ship "Kate" to Australia, mid 1850's > Hi Owen > > I don't know if this is of any help but the site > http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ shows the Kate sailed from London on 3 > Aug > 1854 and landed in Sydney 18 Nov 1854. It also sailed from Plymouth on 7 > Sep > 1856 and arrived (port not shown) on 23 Dec 1856. > > You can find these by following the "Arrivals" link. It provides the > source > of the info, but you will need to decipher what these are. Hopefully > they'll > lead to the passenger list. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Owen Davey > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Emmigrant Ship "Kate" to Australia, mid 1850's > > Hello all. > I would be grateful for help in sourcing the passenger list for this > ship/voyage.... > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

1901 Census transcription for Castlewellan townland Kilmegan Civil Parish is now on my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~meaneypj/index.htm via the latest updates link. Pete

Gentle Listers, I have put some maps of Belfast and area online on my Flickr site. This image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3208637482/ Is an engraving from 1886 that shows Belfast City with a number of landmarks pointed out. This image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3208624468/in/photostream/ is from a different angle and is from 8 years later. It is of particular interest to me because of the large number of family-related landmarks that are visible. You can use the legend from the first image to help identify some of the churches, etc. in this image. Finally, this is a high-res image of a map of Belfast and environs. There is quite a bit of detail available. http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/3219431456/ For all three images, you can select "All Sizes" above each image and select "Original" for the greatest detail. Feel free to save the images if you like, but repeated hits on my Flickr site makes me happy. Andy Airriess

Hi all, I'm back after taking a long hiatus from this side of the family tree (my husband's side). Last week thanks to the 1911 census and the little gem "Civil Registrations 1845-1958" I've found more information in the 1 week then I had done after months of research. No the Civil Registrations don't appear to be complete yet....my husband was born in Banbridge in 1952 so technically should be on the list, but he isn't there....although I did find his mother and father's births....plus various grandparents and some great-grandparents. I would be very interested in contacting others with an interest in the above names or with an interest in the Benagh/Crobane/Dysart (Desert) area of Newry. This was a relatively small farming area and the families tended to intermarry. Also does anyone know of any online records for BDM s/Christenings/Marriages/Deaths pre 1845????? Or do I now have to rely on Parish Records? All this lot were Presbyterian/Unitarian. Oh and if anyone requires help with family who immigrated from Co. Down to Australia (particularly NSW) let me know as I know of a few places you can search records/indexes online. Cheers Kate

Owen, If you go to http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=4 and just enter Carolan in the surname box of the search...up they will pop the whole family. If you want you can then order copies of the original index with their information on it. I did this for one of my lot and the index has a lot more information then that shown in the search results. Cheers, Kate Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:17:51 -0400 From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Emmigrant Ship "Kate" to Australia, mid 1850's To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all. I would be grateful for help in sourcing the passenger list for this ship/voyage. An earlier voyage manifest is on line but none that I can find for the mid 1850s. The "Kate" landed its immigrants at Sydney, NSW. I am looking fot he family of James Carolan/Carlin and his wife Mary Ann Davey,. They apparently had four children with them the youngest of whom was John Joseph. They came from, Ballynahinch area, Co. Down. According to Australian death records, Mary Ann was the daughter of Patrick Davey and Mary Denvir from Ballynahinch. She was born circa.1809. Thanks, Owen Davey ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:38:29 +1000 From: "Lyn " <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emmigrant Ship "Kate" to Australia, mid 1850's To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Owen I have info on 1854 and 1855. Checking the indexes it looks like they arrived 1856. I will see if I have anything on that voyage and if so get back to you. Regards Lyn In Oz.