Thank you, I tried again and now find it. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Brennan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs Brenda's link works Margaret, But I do still find it on the Collections page, too: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=4 Lower right column, it is the only entry under "Ireland". On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:49 PM, conaught2 wrote: > Does anyone know what happened to the Irish records? I went to the > website > today and there is a listing for the Netherlands at the bottom of > the main > page, where Ireland use to be located. > > Thank you, > Margaret (Máiread) > > > > > > >> The Irish BDMs have just gone online >> here: > >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ >> #c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable > >> they include births 1864-1958, marriages 1845-1958 & deaths >> 1864-1958. >> >> Max > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them > will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a query when I first looked at the site I was able to see a copy of the record and scroll though them but now they are not showing up are they sill there or is it my settings?? Regards Greta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:25 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Irish Registration Indexes 1845-1958 Online! I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but the Irish Registration Indexes are online here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347 . The summary of the records listing says there are no images but I was able to see images for some so I don't know if all images are up yet and the collection isn't complete online yet but it's a wonderful start! Carol --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Previously I inquired about my Grandfathers family who lived in Belfast and Bangor. The Name was Patton and they were in the Land and Estate business in Belfast. The business was located at 100 High Street in Belfast and I am aware that it was still operating in 1940. Curiously, I cannpt find any records on the remaining siblings from my Grandfathers family after my Great Grandmothers death in 1940. I have come to understand that there was a major Bombing of Belfast in 1941 and that High Street was heavily damaged. Does anyone know if a list of casualties exists from this event?? If any of the Patton's were kileed it might explain why no records can be found. Thanks, Gord Patton Zurawel Patton Sample Tel: 1-416-303-5494 Fx: 1-905-576-4975 Em: [email protected] www.zps.ca

Dear Raymond, Here is one explanation. Inspection of the appropriate Griffiths Valuation Map (see below for source) shows that the properties held by the three men is located beside or very close to the Valley Road (or one of the lanes either side of it) which is just off the Kilkeel Road (the section of the Kilkeel Road which runs between Annalong and Ballymartin). The number "44A" can be seen on this map and shows a group of five small fields with no dwelling house. Francis Reilly senior farms this land as a tenant of the "Trustees of the Kilmorey Estate". It is 4 acres 0 Roods and 25 Perches (Statute Measure). The number "44B" can also be seen on this map (not far below 44A) and shows a small field with a dwelling house and possibly a small outhouse (office) - that is the 1 Rood and 35 Perches. Francis Reilly senior also farms this land and occupies the dwelling house as a tenant of the "Trustees of the Kilmorey Estate". I know the house (possibly a cottage) is occupied by Francis Reilly senior because of the "a" beside the bracket and opposite the "- B" all to the left of his name (these details are on the Griffiths Valuation page). The number "45A" can be seen on this map (just above 44A) and shows a group of two small fields with no dwelling house. Jordan Reilly farms this land as a tenant of the "Trustees of the Kilmorey Estate". It is 1 acre 1 Rood and 10 Perches (Statute Measure). The number "45B" can also be seen on this map (beside 44A) and shows two small fields (1 Acre 1 Rood and 10 Perches - statute measure) with a dwelling house and a small garden (the 3 Rood and 5 Perches). Jordan Reilly also farms this land and occupies the dwelling house as a tenant of the "Trustees of the Kilmorey Estate". Again, I know Jordan Reilly occupies the dwelling house (possibly a cottage) because of the "a" beside the bracket and opposite the "- B" all to the left of his name. The number "46" can be seen on this map (below 44A) and shows a group of seven small fields with a dwelling house. Francis Reilly junior Reilly farms this land as a tenant of the "Trustees of the Kilmorey Estate". It is 5 acres 3 Roods and 5 Perches (Statute Measure). There is also a dwelling house which appears to be an extension of the house occupied by Francis Reilly senior. (I asume there is no "a" to indicate a dwelling house here because the property is not divided into A and B etc.. The Griffiths Valuation information about these Reillys can be seen on page 102 of the "Union of Kilkeel Valuation Book, dated 1863" - Parish of Kilkeel. The Moneydorragh Beg townland map (note the Griffiths spelling) can be seen on http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_place_search_form.php Insert "Moneydorragh Beg" in the slot for "Enter a Placename"; Select county "Down" and Parish of "Kilkeel". Click on "Start Searching". On the next page which comes up, you can click on either the "Occupants", "1850s" or 2000s" choices. "1850s" gives you the Griffiths numbered map of the Moneydorragh Beg and other townlands surrounding it. Each property is clearly marked with thin red boundary lines. The townland boundaries are marked by a thicker red boundary line. The explanation of the symbols and general interpretation can now be obtained from the website http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/more_to_griffiths.html , (thanks to Bob and Wendy for that link) The book "Richard Griffiths and His Valuations of Ireland"(2001) by James R Reilly, is well worth reading for a detailed explanation of this sometimes difficult but very interesting subject. Billy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "the_researcher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Help with Griffiths > Seems my brain is getting slower,I have a plea to make for someones > help.on the Griffiths on line, I have Jordan Reilly,Francis Reilly, Sen > and Francis Reilly Jun, all from Moneydarraghbeg in Kilkeel together,can > someone please explain to me their position,house,and what information > there is here on these names.and what the signs beside the names mean. > > Raymond, in a cold and wet Scotland > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Brenda, Thank you! How did you it to work? I reeopened the website several times and each time Ireland was not listed. I used your website link and voila, Ireland appeared again! Go raibh maith agat, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bganderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs Try this one. http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347 I just had it working. Brenda Canada conaught2 wrote: > Does anyone know what happened to the Irish records? I went to the > website > today and there is a listing for the Netherlands at the bottom of the main > page, where Ireland use to be located. > > Thank you, > Margaret (Máiread) > > > > > > > >> The Irish BDMs have just gone online >> here: >> > > >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable >> > > >> they include births 1864-1958, marriages 1845-1958 & deaths 1864-1958. >> >> Max >> > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well Sharon it seems to me that you're looking at a time frame of roughly 1788 to about 1850 for Lieutenant John Martin's Naval service - the First Fleet arrived at Port Jackson in January 1788 then afterwards, there was steady visits with the arrival of more convicts ships and Royal Navy vessels. Lieutenant John Martin could either have been part of the First Fleet or a member of the crew of later arrivals. In any case it seems to me his naval career would fall somewhere within those years, 1788 to 1850 - if he visited Port Jackson as seems likely, you can be sure that. Having established that it would/should make a search for his service papers fall within those limits. Good luck with your searches, James. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: 31 January 2009 02:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ringfad - 1841 Sundial Dear James, William and Anton, Thank you all for your suggestions. I have looked through the ADM (admiralty) and WO records as well as the Naval wills section and found nothing that looked like a likely fit - or else (in the case of the Naval wills) there were too many documents that would have to be purchased in order to see if there is a match. I think I will wait until I have a few more longitudes and latitudes for him genealogy-wise. Once I can winnow it down a little, then the search is likely to be productive. Again, Thank you! Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1926 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 5:31 PM

Does anyone know what happened to the Irish records? I went to the website today and there is a listing for the Netherlands at the bottom of the main page, where Ireland use to be located. Thank you, Margaret (Máiread) > The Irish BDMs have just gone online > here: > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable > they include births 1864-1958, marriages 1845-1958 & deaths 1864-1958. > > Max

There is a pretty good article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Blitz This has lots of detail too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/topics/war/belfastblitz// Andy Airriess

Andy Of course its possible that she was visiting relatives, but more likely as D'dee was one of the most popular seaside towns in Ireland, especially for folks who lived in Belfast, that she was just there for a day or a few days at the seaside. End July, summer holidays, just seems a bit more likely. Cheers Jon -----Original Message----- ANDY AIRRIESS Sent: 30 January 2009 01:14 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] ELIZABETH McGIVERN and WILLIAM McCORMICK m.1899 Donaghadee I did have McCormick relatives of mine from Belfast who visited Donaghadee in 1933 and their daughter Louise, age 25, died suddenly while there. I always wondered why they were visiting there, thinking that perhaps they were visiting relatives.

Hello Owen, I forgot to say, the example information I gave is from the Queensland deaths online. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Australian Civil Registration Documentation: DeathRegisters > To colleages in Australia. > I have noticed over the years that the Australian death records include a > key information component not standard in UK records. That is; death > records in Australia seem to include the requirement to include the names > of the deceased's parents and where the deceased was born. Am I right on > this? If so, are the Australian death records searchable by location of > birth of the the deceased? > I have obtained a couple of records from Australia over the years through > correspondence and have found the names of individuals living, in my case > in Ballynahinch, whose identity would be totally unknown from locally > available records. The clue to their identity was the death record in > Australia of someone born in Irealnd who later emmigrated and whose record > of death included father, mother and where born. Appreciate any help > available. Thank you. Owen Davey > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Owen, Death certificates in Australia do include these requirements. However that amount of information given depends on the Informant knowing these details. Sometimes the information the Informant gives on the certificate is not correct, but to his/her knowledge it is. The death indexes online give Reg.No; Family name; Given name; Fathers given names; Mothers names. However if neither Fathers name or Mothers name is given by the informant, other information is given as you can see below:- 1923/C3448 Wyatt George - - ** born England aged 68 years 1920/C4693 Wyatt Irene John McNamara Catherine Corcoran 1920/C3300 Wyatt James Henry Charles Wyatt Jane Gray To obtain the full information you would have to buy the certificate. Kind regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Australian Civil Registration Documentation: DeathRegisters > To colleages in Australia. > I have noticed over the years that the Australian death records include a > key information component not standard in UK records. That is; death > records in Australia seem to include the requirement to include the names > of the deceased's parents and where the deceased was born. Am I right on > this? If so, are the Australian death records searchable by location of > birth of the the deceased? > I have obtained a couple of records from Australia over the years through > correspondence and have found the names of individuals living, in my case > in Ballynahinch, whose identity would be totally unknown from locally > available records. The clue to their identity was the death record in > Australia of someone born in Irealnd who later emmigrated and whose record > of death included father, mother and where born. Appreciate any help > available. Thank you. Owen Davey

Hi Owen No, you cannot search by place of birth but most of the indexes do show the parents names if, or as known, by the informant. Unfortunately they are done by states and not all are online. There is a list here http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmaut.htm Also *some* of our inward passenger lists have an extraordinary amount of detail including where their parents live and if still alive. Death certificates usually have age, place of birth, parents names, occupation, spouses name, age at marriage, children and their ages, burial place and burial date. Birth records usually date and place of marriage of parents and names and ages of other children. Civil registration began here in 1854? (memory here so I might be out a year or so). Anything on the indexes prior to that date will be a parish record and may not have as much detail. If you are interested in NSW then I thoroughly recommend the transcription agents who will check an entry for specific data at a cheaper price. You will also find information about the various certificates on their sites. Getting all this information kind of makes up for our lack of census. Regards Lyn In Oz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Owen Davey Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 7:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Australian Civil Registration Documentation: DeathRegisters To colleages in Australia. I have noticed over the years that the Australian death records include a key information component not standard in UK records. That is; death records in Australia seem to include the requirement to include the names of the deceased's parents and where the deceased was born. Am I right on this? If so, are the Australian death records searchable by location of birth of the the deceased? I have obtained a couple of records from Australia over the years through correspondence and have found the names of individuals living, in my case in Ballynahinch, whose identity would be totally unknown from locally available records. The clue to their identity was the death record in Australia of someone born in Irealnd who later emmigrated and whose record of death included father, mother and where born. Appreciate any help available. Thank you. Owen Davey --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Was that help what you were looking for Raymond or do you need more??

Lyn and Alma. Thank you for your very helpful advice. I was able to use the NSW data base to confirm information I had previously been given. I think there is a "back door' into the data bases if one knows of specific families who left Ireland for Australia, or if one can coordinate emmigrant lists to the BMD files. I realize that it is a bit "hit and miss" since not all migrants went to the same State but, guessing that many/most?in the early years of migration went to NSW, it at least offers one a shot a figuring it out. I did find the family of James Carolan in the NSW data base from 1858 on and indeed, the profile shows his wife's parents as Patrick and Mary D. They would be Patrick Davey and Mary Denvir. I'll use this approach on some other individuals from County Down who went to Australia. Thanks again. Owen Davey

Top of the mornin all. Thank you for the update Diane. I always liked the Tiara website. Have a great genealogical day everyone. donkelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Hettrick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Tiara The Tiara website is back online. http://tiara.ie/ --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To colleages in Australia. I have noticed over the years that the Australian death records include a key information component not standard in UK records. That is; death records in Australia seem to include the requirement to include the names of the deceased's parents and where the deceased was born. Am I right on this? If so, are the Australian death records searchable by location of birth of the the deceased? I have obtained a couple of records from Australia over the years through correspondence and have found the names of individuals living, in my case in Ballynahinch, whose identity would be totally unknown from locally available records. The clue to their identity was the death record in Australia of someone born in Irealnd who later emmigrated and whose record of death included father, mother and where born. Appreciate any help available. Thank you. Owen Davey

Seems my brain is getting slower,I have a plea to make for someones help.on the Griffiths on line, I have Jordan Reilly,Francis Reilly, Sen and Francis Reilly Jun, all from Moneydarraghbeg in Kilkeel together,can someone please explain to me their position,house,and what information there is here on these names.and what the signs beside the names mean. Raymond, in a cold and wet Scotland

Sharon, Reading you e-mail and having no other knowledge of your searches, my guess is that Lieutenant John Martin was a Royal Navy officer and these points of reference are some of the locations he visited during his naval career. It it were me I would seek a searcher skilled in Royal Navy records to obtain his Naval papers, it wouldn't cost that much and I feel sure it would answer many of your questions relating to him. It seems obvious that family history re in 1690s was known to the person who carved the sundial or the person who commissioned it. Since your efforts so far have proved worthwhile a little expenditure for the Naval papers seem surely justified. I hope this suggestion is helpful. James. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: 30 January 2009 10:19 To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ringfad - 1841 Sundial I have been trying to complete a page on Ardglass, but things keep getting in my way. In the meantime, here is a page that I have posted about a sundial engraved with the name of Lieutenant John Martin, Esq. Ringfad. I don't have a clue who he is (except that he is likely one of my "MARTINs")- but would be naturally happy to learn more. The page can be viewed at: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/maps/Ardglass/Sundial-Ringfad.html Enjoy, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1924 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 5:57 PM

This site explains all about the Griffiths' meanings. http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/more_to_griffiths.html It links to a page with a wealth of information on all aspects of the Griffiths Valuation from the history to exactly what it all means. Explains everything in great detail, so even novices like me can understand. The site is based around Leitrim but don't let that put you off as it will be the same for all over Ireland. Wendy

William British Naval Officer's service documents have been digitised and can be downloaded for a small fee direct from the National Archives in Kew London. Search page is *http://tinyurl.com/d32wsm regards Anton * -------- Original Message -------- > Dear Sharon, > > > I have forwarded your enquiry to a Michael J Harley who is an expert on > sundials, and has a special interest in sundials in Northern Ireland. He > lives in Londonderry, Northern Ireland. You can find some of his work on the > internet by searching for his name and the word 'sundial'. > He was able to help me 5 years ago when I was writing an article about a > sundial for the Lecale Review, a local history journal which covers Lecale > (east Co. Down (includes Ardglass/Ringfad). The sundial I wrote about was > made in 1796 by a William Straney for a William Henry of Ballyhosset. > Ballyhosset is only a couple of miles from Ardglass. > > Billy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Oddie Brown" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:18 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ringfad - 1841 Sundial > > > >> I have been trying to complete a page on Ardglass, but things keep getting >> in my way. In the meantime, here is a page that I have posted about a >> sundial engraved with the name of Lieutenant John Martin, Esq. Ringfad. I >> don't have a clue who he is (except that he is likely one of my "MARTINs")- >> but would be naturally happy to learn more. The page can be viewed at: >> http://www.thesilverbowl.com/maps/Ardglass/Sundial-Ringfad.html >> Enjoy, >> Sharon Oddie Brown >> Roberts Creek, BC, Canada >> History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ >> Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl >> --------------------------------- >> 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will >> answer your question! >> --------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11650 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > >