All one needs is the forname, Surname, Quarter, Year, Registration District, Volume no and page number to order the certificate from the Belfast Registrar's office. Same as the English/Welsh system. -------- Original Message -------- > Hello > I was wondering if anyone on this list has access to the BMDs listed on the > index? I have been fortunate enough to find my g-g-grandfather listed but am > trying to find how to find the actual info. The index lists as: > Name: Charles Beattie > > Registration district: Newtownards > > Record type: DEATHS > > Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1883 > > Estimated birth year: 1824 > > Age: 59 > > Mother surnames: > > Film number: 101592 > > Volume: 1 > > Page: 552 > > Digital GS number: 4200674 > > Image number: 00234 > > Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958 > > > > I believe that he died Oct 21, 1883 > > > > As always, I appreciate any and all help. > > Jim Beattie > [email protected] > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11660 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > >

Hi Gord Thank you for your reply just keep in back of your mind . Regards jean On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Gord Patton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jean, > > Thanks for your note. I have no idea if these folks moved to Scotland. > Actually hadn't considered it, but perhaps that is a possibility! > > Gord > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:38:20 +1100 > > From: jean old <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Patton, Gault, Callender, Laverty, McCormick, > > Laughlin, Hamilton, Northern Ireland > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi > > By any chance do you know if they went to Scotland > > Regards jean > > > Gord Patton > Zurawel Patton Sample > Tel: 1-416-303-5494 > Fx: 1-905-576-4975 > Em: [email protected] > www.zps.ca > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean

In 1933, the railway would have been running to D'dee. And it was the "normal" port for transferring to Scotland. So the family may have been returning from or going to Scotland. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] ELIZABETH McGIVERN and WILLIAM McCORMICKm.1899 Donaghadee > Andy > Of course its possible that she was visiting relatives, but more likely as > D'dee was one of the most popular seaside towns in Ireland, especially for > folks who lived in Belfast, that she was just there for a day or a few > days > at the seaside. End July, summer holidays, just seems a bit more likely. > > Cheers > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > ANDY AIRRIESS > Sent: 30 January 2009 01:14 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] ELIZABETH McGIVERN and WILLIAM McCORMICK m.1899 > Donaghadee > I did have McCormick relatives of mine from Belfast who visited Donaghadee > in 1933 and their daughter Louise, age 25, died suddenly while there. I > always wondered why they were visiting there, thinking that perhaps they > were visiting relatives. > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gord When did they disappear from Down? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "jean old" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Patton Gault et all > Hi Gord > Thank you for your reply just keep in back of your mind . > Regards jean >

Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:53:59 +1000 From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Luftwaffe Bombing in 1941 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gord Contact the Belfast Newspaper Library. They should know when these bombing took place and if and when a listof people killed was published. Mike Boyd Brisbane Thanks Mike, I'll give that a try. Gord Gord Patton Zurawel Patton Sample Tel: 1-416-303-5494 Fx: 1-905-576-4975 Em: [email protected] www.zps.ca

Regarding getting death records. I don't know if you can access them on site at wherever they are stored. In Dublin they are stored at Joyce Street. I have looked there to find mine. They don't have researchers to do the searching but I am sure you can hire someone. Having the date so that they would only have to look ion the correct book would make this relatively easy and require a short search. Also you might ask at whatever church they belonged to at the time of your grandmother's death. I am sure they keep a local burial record there. It wouldn't include cause of death etc but it might give you more information than just a date of death. Since the index is from the LDS I would contact their genealogy gurus for information about how to access the record. It is probably as easy as finding a genealogy center near you, ordering the correct film, with their help, and going and reading it. They do allow copies of their records. This is NOT so in Ireland to preserve the records. The following is an example of the information on some deaths I was able to obtain from the National Library RC church records Not a lot but some things worth knowing. This information is also posted on Raymond's site. Various Shiels Deaths : 26 Jun 1819 Elinor Sheals, daughter of Laurence Sheals and Bridget Russell, aged 29 23 November 1827 Stephen Shiels, aged 57 31 December 1832 Henry Shiels, aged 71 3 Mary 1833 Daniel Shiels, 3rd Dragoon Guards, aged 32 16 September 1833 Laurence Shiels, aged 81 5 May 1834 Matthew Shiels (?), aged 14 4 Mary 1835 Bridget, relict of Laurence Shiels, aged 75 29 June 1836 Elizabeth Shiels, alias Bowles, aged 55 12 February 1840 Bridget Shiels, wife to Nicholas Shiels, aged 70 28 February 1841 Nicholas Shiels, aged 92 16 April 1842 John Shiels, aged 70 Hope this is helpful Judy McKeon **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002)

It was definitely missing from the collections page earlier today - I noted the total number for Europe was then 29. Now 30 and Irish Index link is back. Thanks everyone for your links etc. Joyce Brenda's link works Margaret, But I do still find it on the Collections page, too: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=4 Lower right column, it is the only entry under "Ireland".

Thanks Anton, I appreciate all help! All the best Jim [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs: a bit long, sorry > Only Scottish death certs give the parents, .....

Hi Alma Thanks very much for the good information! All the best Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "FT & AM" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs: a bit long, sorry > Hello Jim, > > The info is - Date & Place of death; Name; Sex; Condition (spinster, > bachelor etc.); Age; Rank, Profession or Occupation (labourer's child, > farmer's wife, farmer etc.); Cause of death; Signature and Residence of > Informant; When Registered; Signature of Registrar. > > No death certificate I have gives parents/spouse. > > Just in case you find any earlier death entries you may like to know that > the LDS have filmed the Volume Registers for Deaths from 1864 to 1870, so > you can hire the film from them at any LDS Familyhistory Library. > Sometimes > it's worth having a look at these films - you may find other family deaths > in the same time period. > > Kind regards > Alma

And Gord, when you find the list, be sure to share the information with us! Diane On Jan 31, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Owen Davey wrote: > Gord. Go on the Belfast Forum with your question. There are people > there who > will know this story inside and out. In fact, it is just the kind of > thing > that gets them all going. Owen Davey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gord Patton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:05 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Luftwaffe Bombing in 1941 > >> Previously I inquired about my Grandfathers family who lived in >> Belfast >> and Bangor. The Name was Patton and they were in the Land and >> Estate business >> in Belfast. The business was located at 100 High Street in Belfast >> and I am >> aware that it was still operating in 1940. Curiously, I cannpt find >> any records on the remaining siblings from my Grandfathers family >> after my Great Grandmothers death in 1940. I have come to >> understand that there was a major Bombing of Belfast in 1941 and >> that High Street was heavily damaged. Doesanyone know if a list of >> casualties exists from this event?? If any of the Patton's were >> kileed it might explain why no records can be found. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gord Patton >> Zurawel Patton Sample >> Tel: 1-416-303-5494 >> Fx: 1-905-576-4975 >> Em: [email protected] >> www.zps.ca >>

I missed them too, and I have sent a note using "Feedback" asking when it will be back again. Hope we get a favourable answer. Joyce Does anyone know what happened to the Irish records? I went to the website today and there is a listing for the Netherlands at the bottom of the main page, where Ireland use to be located. Thank you, Margaret (Máiread) > The Irish BDMs have just gone online > here: > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable > they include births 1864-1958, marriages 1845-1958 & deaths 1864-1958. > > Max --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Message: 3 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:57:32 +1000 From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Patton Gault et all To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gord When did they disappear from Down? Mike Boyd Brisbane Hi Mike, Thanks for your response. The last known information on the Patton family that I am looking for was in 1941 whwn my Great Grandmothers will was probated. 3 or 4 children were mentioned but after that date, I have been unable to find out anything. I have tried to get Death Records but unless I have a date of death, I am told that they cannot research death records. All I know is that at least 4 siblings were alive in 1941 and living in Belfast and Bangor. After that.... they seemed to have dissappeared. I do not believe that they came to Canada as my Grandfather did, and apparantly he told my father that his brothers died at a young age. Well he died in 1958 at age 53, so my guess (and its only a guess) is that died between 1941 and 1958. Gord Gord Patton Zurawel Patton Sample Tel: 1-416-303-5494 Fx: 1-905-576-4975 Em: [email protected] www.zps.ca

Owen, Firstly it sometimes depends on which State in Australia your person died in ....from my own research I've found the NSW certificates give the most information. Having said that.....it will also depend on the person giving the information at the time of death, on how much they knew of the deceased. The NSW death certificates give the following information. Name: Date of Death: Place: Occupation: Sex: Age: Conjugal Status: Place of Birth: Time in the Australian Colonies: Father: Occupation: Mother: Place of Marriage: Age at Marriage: Name of Spouse: Children of Marriage: Informant: Cause of Death: Length of Illness: Medical Attendant: Date Last Seen: Date of Burial: Place of Burial: Minister & Religion: Undertaker: Witnesses: Where registered: As you can imagine when ALL of the fields are completed then you have an abundance of information. But as I mentioned it will depend on what the informant knows....if they didn't know when asked the field was left blank or "Unknown" entered. No, you cannot search the indexes on place of birth.....probably the majority of them will only have Ireland as place of birth....no town/city/area. If you go to http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm you can search the indexes for NSW online....if you require further help re these indexes contact me offlist. Kate

Hello again Thanks to Alma and Max for their replies. What type of info do you find on a death cert? Does it have parents/spouse and cause of death? Thanks again and all the best Jim Beattie

Is there anybody out there that has graveyard records for the Carnmoney Church of Ireland. I am looking for Gaults and McCormicks and I always assumed that they were Presbyterian. Now I am advised that there may be a grave in Carnmoney Church of Ireland that has both Gault and McCormick on the same headstone. I also find that there are a few Gaults in this Cemetery. Can anyone help? Thanks, Gord Patton Zurawel Patton Sample Tel: 1-416-303-5494 Fx: 1-905-576-4975 Em: [email protected] www.zps.ca

Hello I was wondering if anyone on this list has access to the BMDs listed on the index? I have been fortunate enough to find my g-g-grandfather listed but am trying to find how to find the actual info. The index lists as: Name: Charles Beattie Registration district: Newtownards Record type: DEATHS Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1883 Estimated birth year: 1824 Age: 59 Mother surnames: Film number: 101592 Volume: 1 Page: 552 Digital GS number: 4200674 Image number: 00234 Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958 I believe that he died Oct 21, 1883 As always, I appreciate any and all help. Jim Beattie [email protected]

Try this one. http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347 I just had it working. Brenda Canada conaught2 wrote: > Does anyone know what happened to the Irish records? I went to the website > today and there is a listing for the Netherlands at the bottom of the main > page, where Ireland use to be located. > > Thank you, > Margaret (Máiread) > > > > > > > >> The Irish BDMs have just gone online >> here: >> > > >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable >> > > >> they include births 1864-1958, marriages 1845-1958 & deaths 1864-1958. >> >> Max >> > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Brenda's link works Margaret, But I do still find it on the Collections page, too: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=4 Lower right column, it is the only entry under "Ireland". On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:49 PM, conaught2 wrote: > Does anyone know what happened to the Irish records? I went to the > website > today and there is a listing for the Netherlands at the bottom of > the main > page, where Ireland use to be located. > > Thank you, > Margaret (Máiread) > > > > > > >> The Irish BDMs have just gone online >> here: > >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ >> #c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable > >> they include births 1864-1958, marriages 1845-1958 & deaths >> 1864-1958. >> >> Max > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them > will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Gord. Go on the Belfast Forum with your question. There are people there who will know this story inside and out. In fact, it is just the kind of thing that gets them all going. Owen Davey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gord Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Luftwaffe Bombing in 1941 > Previously I inquired about my Grandfathers family who lived in Belfast > and > Bangor. The Name was Patton and they were in the Land and Estate business > in > Belfast. The business was located at 100 High Street in Belfast and I am > aware that it was still operating in 1940. Curiously, I cannpt find any > records on the remaining siblings from my Grandfathers family after my > Great > Grandmothers death in 1940. I have come to understand that there was a > major > Bombing of Belfast in 1941 and that High Street was heavily damaged. Does > anyone know if a list of casualties exists from this event?? If any of the > Patton's were kileed it might explain why no records can be found. > > Thanks, > > Gord Patton > Zurawel Patton Sample > Tel: 1-416-303-5494 > Fx: 1-905-576-4975 > Em: [email protected] > www.zps.ca > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will > answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1926 - Release Date: 01/30/09 17:31:00

I just checked (2:22 pm Mtn Standard time) and they are there, just above the 3 Netherlands entry. They may come and go occasionally as I believe they are still a work in progress. Nancy