Hi Richard There is a street index online that lists Black Quarter Lane, Carryduff, Belfast. http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:BfWY7EnwtSAJ:www.eoni.org.uk/strangford _street_indexes_09-2.pdf+%22black+quarter%22+Glastry&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=a u&client=firefox-a Regards Lyn In oz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Orr Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2009 7:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Black Quarter Hello, On a Christening record from 1855 at Glastry Presbyterian Church, the family residence was listed as "Black Quarter'. Can anyone enlighten me on where this is in relation to Glastry, or where in Glastry it is? The record was for James William Orr s/o Robert Orr and Mary Ann Reid. Regards, Richard Orr Toronto, Canada --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just uploaded the revised maps for Down in my Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html>. The changes include: - a complete (corrected) townland database showing the townlands for each parish as defined in both the 1851 Census and the Griffith Valuation (as well as including all PLUs, Baronies, Councils, RC Parishes and Civil Parishes as defined in 1851 and 1861) - maps of all Civil Parishes showing both the 1851 and Griffith (ie ca 1861) versions as well as some other districts The changes which occurred between 1851 and (ca) 1861 were very extensive, particularly in the Upper and Lower Lecale Baronies and the 1851 and Griffith versions of the Parish maps are plotted in different colours and so you can easily see the differences. I have spent considerable time checking, but given the number of database entries (about 14,000) I may have missed some errors - please let me know if you spot any. It is very unlikely that I will ever get around to mapping all townlands here, however in other counties people interested in particular areas are creating the Townland maps. If you are interested in doing this let me know. You will need access to Google Earth, have lots of memory (1Gb but preferably 2Gb of RAM not hard disk), an eye for detail and lots of patience, but it isn't terribly hard. And please keep clicking on the Adverts - it is harmless, only costs if you decide to purchase something and assists and encourages me to do more to the site! I would also like to specially mention Ros Davies fantastic website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/ it is a fantastic resource, without which I would have gone totally bonkers trying to find 'lost' places! Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com>

Hi Lyn, Thank you for your help. Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Black Quarter > Hi Richard > > There is a street index online that lists Black Quarter Lane, Carryduff, > Belfast. > > > http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:BfWY7EnwtSAJ:www.eoni.org.uk/strangford > _street_indexes_09-2.pdf+%22black+quarter%22+Glastry&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=a > u&client=firefox-a > > Regards > > Lyn > In oz. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Richard Orr > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2009 7:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Black Quarter > > Hello, > > On a Christening record from 1855 at Glastry Presbyterian Church, the > family > residence was listed as "Black Quarter'. Can anyone enlighten me on where > this is in relation to Glastry, or where in Glastry it is? The record was > for James William Orr s/o Robert Orr and Mary Ann Reid. > > Regards, > Richard Orr > Toronto, Canada > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rosemary, Thanks for the help. Regards, Richard

Oops, it is also the unofficial name of Glastry Townland, St. Andrews Parish, Co. Down, according to Ian Maxwell's 'Researching Co. Down Ancestors' RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Orr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Black Quarter > Hello, > > On a Christening record from 1855 at Glastry Presbyterian Church, the > family residence was listed as "Black Quarter'. Can anyone enlighten me on > where this is in relation to Glastry, or where in Glastry it is? The > record was for James William Orr s/o Robert Orr and Mary Ann Reid. > > Regards, > Richard Orr > Toronto, Canada > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Black Quarter is the unofficial name of the townland Clady More, Kilclooney Parish, Co. Armagh. I found this in 'Researching Armagh Ancestors' by Ian Maxwell. RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Orr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Black Quarter > Hello, > > On a Christening record from 1855 at Glastry Presbyterian Church, the > family residence was listed as "Black Quarter'. Can anyone enlighten me on > where this is in relation to Glastry, or where in Glastry it is? The > record was for James William Orr s/o Robert Orr and Mary Ann Reid. > > Regards, > Richard Orr > Toronto, Canada > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's probably Balleny, a Townland just south of Dromore town. By the way, where did you find the baptism online?? RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles O'Neill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballany? Banbridge, Co Down >I recently found my gggrandfather's baptism record online (a wonderful > breakthrough! - records keep getting added on-line). The transcription > of the record (from an 1825 entry) includes the following: > > Parish/District: DROMORE Roman Catholic > Address 1: BELLANY > Address 2: (blank) > Address 3: Banbridge > Address 4: Co Down > > What I don't understand is the "Address 1" - "BELLANY" > > Would this be a street in Banbridge? > > or a village in the townland of Banbridge? > > or ??? > > If I Google "Bellany" "Banbridge" "County Down" I really don't get any > relevant hits. I can't find any street named "Bellany" on current > on-line maps of Banbridge. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Charles O'Neill > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have lost the link to the 1911 census on line for County Down can some one please send it on to me. Raymond, snowed in, in Scotland

Hello, On a Christening record from 1855 at Glastry Presbyterian Church, the family residence was listed as "Black Quarter'. Can anyone enlighten me on where this is in relation to Glastry, or where in Glastry it is? The record was for James William Orr s/o Robert Orr and Mary Ann Reid. Regards, Richard Orr Toronto, Canada

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:24:22 -0400 From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Luftwaffe Bombing in 1941 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gord. Go on the Belfast Forum with your question. There are people there who will know this story inside and out. In fact, it is just the kind of thing that gets them all going. Owen Davey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gord Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Luftwaffe Bombing in 1941 Thanks Owen, I have posted a request for information and will wait to see if anyone is able to help. Thanks again, Gord Gord Patton Zurawel Patton Sample Tel: 1-416-303-5494 Fx: 1-905-576-4975 Em: [email protected] www.zps.ca

Thanks Rosemary, I came to the same conclusion regarding Balleny/Bellany last night after I had sent the email. I found a map of townlands in the Civil Parish of Dromore at Ros Davies site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/MAPS/DromoreTownlands.htm I found this baptism record on the UHF site at: http://www.ancestryireland.com/ Costs a few pounds to explore - and I sat at my computer wondering if I should part with £4 to gain access to record which appeared in the index - and which contained no dates. The names were right - but the names were common. But I have been looking for so long, I decided to make the jump - and what a find! All I knew about my O'Neills is that we were probably from Co. Down - but had no definite proof and had no info as to where in Co. Down we may have come. And this record solved my long standing puzzle. Now to try to make way even further back. The UHF must be adding more and more records on-line. And.. cheaper than a trip to the PRONI. Love it. Charles O'Neill Virginia Beach, Virginia Rosemary McCormack wrote: > It's probably Balleny, a Townland just south of Dromore town. By the > way, where did you find the baptism online?? RosemaryJoan > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles O'Neill" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:53 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballany? Banbridge, Co Down > > >> I recently found my gggrandfather's baptism record online (a wonderful >> breakthrough! - records keep getting added on-line). The transcription >> of the record (from an 1825 entry) includes the following: >> >> Parish/District: DROMORE Roman Catholic >> Address 1: BELLANY >> Address 2: (blank) >> Address 3: Banbridge >> Address 4: Co Down >> >> What I don't understand is the "Address 1" - "BELLANY" >> >> Would this be a street in Banbridge? >> >> or a village in the townland of Banbridge? >> >> or ??? >> >> If I Google "Bellany" "Banbridge" "County Down" I really don't get any >> relevant hits. I can't find any street named "Bellany" on current >> on-line maps of Banbridge. >> >> Any ideas would be appreciated. >> >> Charles O'Neill >> --------------------------------- >> 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? >> --------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Hi Raymond, Here's the link I have: To visit the Irish Census Online and the virtual exhibition on life in Ireland in 1911, please, go to: www.census.nationalarchives.ie (in English only). > > For more information or for information on Library and Archives > Canada and the National Archives of Ireland's partnership, please > visit The Shamrock and the Maple Leaf at: www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/ireland From Dianne in snowy north central British Columbia, Canada > > On 2-Feb-09, at 8:47 AM, the_researcher wrote: > I have lost the link to the 1911 census on line for County Down can > some one please send it on to me. > Raymond, snowed in, in Scotland > > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Researcher recommendation Hi Linda, Regarding research, you and I have spoken on a number of occasions so you know me quite well. For others who don't, I live in Belfast and have previously carried out research at Proni/General Registry Office/Linenhall library for various people on the rootsweb lists. I had to give it up for a time due to health reasons but thankfully am now able to take up the 'elusive ancestor' challenge again! :-) I have LOTS of genealogy books/cd's/files which I have accrued over the years which help me prepare for a visit to Proni, GRO, etc... I haven't had to research the records in Dublin as yet but I am very willing to hop on the train and take a look through their archives. All the best Sharon Davison. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Researcher recommendation Hi folks, I use www.ulsterancestors.com . I believe Robert is on the list. The site has a lot of free genealogy resources. If anyone else does research in PRONI, feel free to let us know. I'm looking for someone to do research in Dublin, btw. Estate records, anyone? (People dash for the door.....) Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Byler" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:55:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] Researcher recommendation Has anyone on the list used a local researcher in Belfast for PRONTI???? I see that PRONTI does have someone that will search records for 13.30 lbs/hr, but they only search for a specific item/entry. I thought maybe an individual researcher would be better. Suggestions/recommendations? Thank you. Carol in Alabama ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1921 - Release Date: 1/28/2009 6:37 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 675 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1921 - Release Date: 1/28/2009 6:37 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 687 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I recently found my gggrandfather's baptism record online (a wonderful breakthrough! - records keep getting added on-line). The transcription of the record (from an 1825 entry) includes the following: Parish/District: DROMORE Roman Catholic Address 1: BELLANY Address 2: (blank) Address 3: Banbridge Address 4: Co Down What I don't understand is the "Address 1" - "BELLANY" Would this be a street in Banbridge? or a village in the townland of Banbridge? or ??? If I Google "Bellany" "Banbridge" "County Down" I really don't get any relevant hits. I can't find any street named "Bellany" on current on-line maps of Banbridge. Any ideas would be appreciated. Charles O'Neill

Hello Jim, The info is - Date & Place of death; Name; Sex; Condition (spinster, bachelor etc.); Age; Rank, Profession or Occupation (labourer's child, farmer's wife, farmer etc.); Cause of death; Signature and Residence of Informant; When Registered; Signature of Registrar. No death certificate I have gives parents/spouse. Just in case you find any earlier death entries you may like to know that the LDS have filmed the Volume Registers for Deaths from 1864 to 1870, so you can hire the film from them at any LDS Familyhistory Library. Sometimes it's worth having a look at these films - you may find other family deaths in the same time period. Kind regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs: a bit long, sorry > Hello again > Thanks to Alma and Max for their replies. What type of info do you find on > a > death cert? Does it have parents/spouse and cause of death? > Thanks again and all the best > Jim Beattie

Your suggestion is interesting. I have an Allan MARTIN (1743-1820) of Ringfad who had a son, John MARTIN (1784-1847). This John would be too young to fit your scenario, but is is not unlikely that he had an uncle John, a younger brother of Allan MARTIN. I suspect I'll be able in time to patch this together. Thanks! Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "james twycross" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ringfad - 1841 Sundial > Well Sharon it seems to me that you're looking at a time frame of roughly > 1788 to about 1850 for Lieutenant John Martin's Naval service - the First > Fleet arrived at Port Jackson in January 1788 then afterwards, there was > steady visits with the arrival of more convicts ships and Royal Navy > vessels. Lieutenant John Martin could either have been part of the First > Fleet or a member of the crew of later arrivals. In any case it seems to > me > his naval career would fall somewhere within those years, 1788 to 1850 - > if > he visited Port Jackson as seems likely, you can be sure that. Having > established that it would/should make a search for his service papers fall > within those limits. Good luck with your searches, James. >

Gord Contact the Belfast Newspaper Library. They should know when these bombing took place and if and when a listof people killed was published. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gord Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:05 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Belfast Luftwaffe Bombing in 1941 > Grandmothers death in 1940. I have come to understand that there was a > major > Bombing of Belfast in 1941 and that High Street was heavily damaged. Does > anyone know if a list of casualties exists from this event?? If any of the > Patton's were kileed it might explain why no records can be found. > > Thanks, > > Gord Patton > Zurawel Patton Sample > Tel: 1-416-303-5494 > Fx: 1-905-576-4975 > Em: [email protected] > www.zps.ca >

Hello Jim, If you go to www.groni.gov.uk/index/deaths.htm you will be able to buy the certificate online. If you quote the Registration district, Registration date, Age, Film Number, Volume and page number from the indexes, is will give them extra information to work on. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs: a bit long, sorry > Hello > I was wondering if anyone on this list has access to the BMDs listed on > the > index? I have been fortunate enough to find my g-g-grandfather listed but > am > trying to find how to find the actual info. The index lists as: > Name: Charles Beattie > > Registration district: Newtownards > > Record type: DEATHS > > Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1883 > > Estimated birth year: 1824 > > Age: 59 > > Mother surnames: > > Film number: 101592 > > Volume: 1 > > Page: 552 > > Digital GS number: 4200674 > > Image number: 00234 > > Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958 > > > > I believe that he died Oct 21, 1883 > > > > As always, I appreciate any and all help. > > Jim Beattie > [email protected] >

Perhaps they were updating it. Lyn In Oz -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joyce Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2009 6:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Irish BDMs It was definitely missing from the collections page earlier today - I noted the total number for Europe was then 29. Now 30 and Irish Index link is back. Thanks everyone for your links etc. Joyce Brenda's link works Margaret, But I do still find it on the Collections page, too: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=4 Lower right column, it is the only entry under "Ireland". --------------------------------- 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Only Scottish death certs give the parents, if known, of the deceased.....Irish certs are the same as the English/Welsh certs....not a lot of use except for picking up a duaghter's married name if she per chance reported the death. ALso bear in mind that the reporting person did not always know the age etc of the deceased.... -------- Original Message -------- > Hello again > Thanks to Alma and Max for their replies. What type of info do you find on a > death cert? Does it have parents/spouse and cause of death? > Thanks again and all the best > Jim Beattie > > > --------------------------------- > 469 list members as of 8 Jan 2009 - hopefully at least one of them will answer your question! > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11660 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > >