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    1. [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland
    2. Gael Herring
    3. _____ From: Gael Herring [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 August 2008 10:53 To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]' Subject: Boyd family of Ireland I require assistance to trace my ancestors. I hope you will be able to assist. My aim is to trace the origins of my family prior to Charles Boyd Charles Boyd, ( Builder owned Lagan Building works) born 1849 Ormeau Road, Belfast, died 1915 ( Pietermaritzburg Natal, South Africa), married 9 June 1875 at RC Church, Ballymacarret In the 19th Century Roman Catholic registers of Ballymacarret in Belfast city, a marriage entry was recorded on the 9th June 1875 between Charles Boyd and Mary Fagan. Witnesses: Edward Fagan and Kate Fagan. However, despite checking and rechecking the Civil Registry Index for marriages, I could not find an entry for them. Son: John Dargan Boyd, b / /1888 (62 Lonsdale St. Belfast) Family all emigrated to South Africa in 1900. Possibly 6 or 7 children My GUESS is that his parents were married in 1875, John is most likely the 6th or 7th child born to them. BOYD OF ORMEAU RD., BELFAST The origins of Charles Boyd before 1849 is not certain. Charles Boyd, b / /1849 (Ormeau Road, Belfast, Ireland), d 15/1 /1915, Pietermaritzburg, Natal, South Africa. m 9/ 6 /1875 (church, town Ballymacarret, Beldast, Ireland), Mary Fagan. Witnesses: Edward Fagan and Kate Fagan - Details. He was a builder and owned the Lagan Building Works in Belfast. Charles, Mary and John Dargan Boyd (my grandfather) plus 7 children ( Hugh - a builder, Charles - a chemist, Edward, a daughter who practised as a nun is South Africa - Mother Reginald Boyd and Fred - who returned to Ireland after 12 months in South Africa came to South Africa in 1900 - on what ship? John Dargan Boyd, b 12 / 4 /1888 (62 Lonsdale St. Belfast), d / / South Africa, m / /191x (church, town, state, South Africa?), Ethel Chick, dau of and (nee ) Chick, b / /1880 (Bedminster, Bristol, England), d / /19xx ( - details? John Cecil Boyd, b 3 /4 /1924 (Eppingdean, Acacia Way Pinelands Cape Town South Africa), d March 2003 m / /1948 (Mowbray catholic Church Cape Town South Africa), Celia May Hastie Gael Boyd, b 28/6 /1949 ( Daughter) Sources: From Gael Herring, [email protected], 13 Ketch Street Sunvalley Fish Hoek Cape Town South Africa Regards Gael Herring nee Boyd

    02/16/2009 12:13:00
    1. [NIR-DOWN] County Down births updated
    2. the_researcher
    3. About 300 names has been added to the County down Births 1865/75 section on my website, also a few changes made to the website, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

    02/16/2009 05:52:56
    1. [NIR-DOWN] Sarah Martin Sheeran obit Chicago -native Newry d 1966
    2. Nan Brennan
    3. This Sarah Sheeran, nee MARTIN, husband James was a native of Ballybot Newry she was also from County Down. Chicago Tribune Oct 29 1966 SHEERAN Sarah C Sheeran, nee Martin, Oct 27 wife of the late James; beloved aunt of Alice Martin, James Redmond, Mary R Bryant, Patricia Sheeran, Kathleen Morner, Eileen, and Thomas Sheeran. fond grand aunt of 13 At Birren & Son Funeral Home 6125 N Clark Street, after 6pm Saturday. Funeral Monday morning at 1030. Mass in St Ita church at 11 o'clock. Interment All Saint's cemetery.

    02/15/2009 06:16:05
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Martin & Sheeran from Ballybot Newry
    2. Nan Brennan
    3. Thomas Sheeran native Ballybot obit Chicago Tribune May 13, 1964 (no mention of wife) SHEERAN Thomas J Sheeran of 2403 Illinois Rd Northbrook Il. May 11, Native of Co Down, Ireland. father of Mrs Willard Morner, Eileen, and Thomas J Sheeran Jr. four grandchildren. Member of Division No 241 CTA. Funeral Thursday 930 am from Wm H Scott Funeral Home, 1104 Waukegan Rd, Glenview, to St Norbert Church, Northbrook. Mass 10am Interment ALL Saints. Note: dau Eileen may have died in Northbrook in 1999. Note: Paddy, John Sheeran, Thomas' brother, was a CTA motorman also, he was living in 2 places in 1930! He was 40 and single, emigrated about 1910. in the 1930 census, he was boarding on April 2nd with his widowed brother in law James Redmond and also 3 days later on April 5 boarding with a widow Ellen Johnson and her family. No record of a marriage yet. On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Nan Brennan wrote: > Thanks for the information on the Sheerans from Ballybot Newry. > > It's nice to get feedback on these obits and to find out exactly where > people are > from in Co Down. > > I'm looking for John's wife for you and will get back to you > on that and anything else I find on this Newry to Chicago Sheeran > family. > > I did find that James Sheeran and Sarah (Martin) went back to Newry > for a visit in 1923 > His passport listed his father's name as John Sheeran, deceased. > > James Sheeran was born Feb 20 1887, he and Sarah Martin married Jan > 10 1917, > I assume they married in Chicago as he gives date of emigration as > April 1912 . > > There's a picture of Sarah and James on the passport image which I > will send to you. > > Nan > (kindly note the change of email address since 2004, thanks) > > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Paddy White wrote: > >> This is my family line from Ballybot Newry, Co.Down. >> Red Thomas was my Greatgrandfather sister of Christen Sarah John/ >> Jack wife D: and he renturned to Ireland and M: Mary McNally >> Mayobridge,Co.Down would love to know John first wife maiden Name. >> Patrick James White Ont Canada. > > > Obit posted in 2004 > > 1947-06-13 > Chicago Tribune (IL) SHEERAN > > James Sheeran, late of 5617 Kenmore avenue, beloved husband of Sarah > Martin Sheeran, brother of Thomas and John of Chicago, and Patrick of > County Down, Ireland, and the late Mrs. James Redmond, uncle of James, > Mary Catherine and Patricia Redmond. Funeral Saturday, June 14, at > 9:30 a.m., from funeral home, 1359 Devon avenue at Glenwood, to St. > Ita's church and All Saint's cemetery. > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

    02/15/2009 06:11:36
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Martin & Sheeran from Ballybot Newry
    2. Nan Brennan
    3. Thanks for the information on the Sheerans from Ballybot Newry. It's nice to get feedback on these obits and to find out exactly where people are from in Co Down. I'm looking for John's wife for you and will get back to you on that and anything else I find on this Newry to Chicago Sheeran family. I did find that James Sheeran and Sarah (Martin) went back to Newry for a visit in 1923 His passport listed his father's name as John Sheeran, deceased. James Sheeran was born Feb 20 1887, he and Sarah Martin married Jan 10 1917, I assume they married in Chicago as he gives date of emigration as April 1912 . There's a picture of Sarah and James on the passport image which I will send to you. Nan (kindly note the change of email address since 2004, thanks) On Feb 15, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Paddy White wrote: > This is my family line from Ballybot Newry, Co.Down. > Red Thomas was my Greatgrandfather sister of Christen Sarah John/ > Jack wife D: and he renturned to Ireland and M: Mary McNally > Mayobridge,Co.Down would love to know John first wife maiden Name. > Patrick James White Ont Canada. Obit posted in 2004 1947-06-13 Chicago Tribune (IL) SHEERAN James Sheeran, late of 5617 Kenmore avenue, beloved husband of Sarah Martin Sheeran, brother of Thomas and John of Chicago, and Patrick of County Down, Ireland, and the late Mrs. James Redmond, uncle of James, Mary Catherine and Patricia Redmond. Funeral Saturday, June 14, at 9:30 a.m., from funeral home, 1359 Devon avenue at Glenwood, to St. Ita's church and All Saint's cemetery.

    02/15/2009 05:40:02
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Sherry and McCann families near Richmond
    2. BarbandMike.telus.net
    3. Many thanks for Robert for your suggestion below. It does not look like th family group I am looking for, but it may be possible. Mike Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:09:12 +0000 From: Ulster Ancestry [email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Sherry and McCann families near Richmond Lodge, Holywood Hello Mike, Did not see a pre 1865 marriage {maybe they married before 1864 and the registration of Catholic marriage} I did find this Sherry/McCann one in 1869. Date of Marriage 17 Aug 1869 Groom Name: John SHERRY Bride Name: Eleanor MCCANN Church: Killens Roman Catholic Church Parish Carnteel Civil District Dungannon County Tyrone This couple were married in arnteel ,Tyrone, a bit away from Holywood County Down! best regards Robert

    02/13/2009 06:07:26
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Sherry and McCann families near Richmond Lodge, Holywood
    2. Ulster Ancestry
    3. Hello Mike, Did not see a pre 1865 marriage {maybe they married before 1864 and the registration of Catholic marriage} I did find this Sherry/McCann one in 1869. Date of Marriage 17 Aug 1869 Groom Name John SHERRY Bride Name Eleanor MCCANN Church Killens Roman Catholic Church Parish Carnteel Civil District Dungannon County Tyrone This couple were married in Carnteel ,Tyrone, a bit away from Holywood County Down! best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > I am looking for details of a family living "at the back of" William Dunville's Richmond Lodge, located near Holywood, in 1865. Mr. Sherry was the husband of Kitty McCann, daughter of John McCann. By 1865 they had two young daughters, Mary and ? > > Kitty's siblings were then both living with their father John nearby. John McCann was formerly a gardener at "Bush" near the town of Antrim for James Arthur Esq. > > Any assistance or leads for either the Sherry or McCann family is appreciated. > > Mike> ---------------------------------> 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you?> ---------------------------------> Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?  Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/

    02/13/2009 03:09:12
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] STEVENSON family from Co. Down
    2. Kathy Stevenson
    3. Hi Shirley, I don't know if you are researching Stevenson, but they are also from Co Down, migrated to Antrim, then our lot came to Canada... Wendy Hello Wendy and Shirley, and other Listers, My STEVENSON line came from the Banbridge area of County Down, specifically the Tullylish and Ballyvally areas. My great grandparents were Robert STEVENSON (born in December 1852/3) married Mary ANTHONEY/ANTHONY (born 2 April 1847) around 1880, probably in Banbridge, according to family tradition. My paternal grandfather, James STEVENSON was born in 1883 in Ballyvally, and his older brother, Thomas, was born in 1881 in Tullylish. Mary ANTHONEY's father was James ANTHONEY. A daughter, Jane, was born in 1886, and in 1887 the family emigrated onboard the PARISIAN from Liverpool, England, to Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, landing on the 7th of June 1887. The lived at 22 Alma Avenue in Toronto, Ontario for many years. Mary ANTHONEY STEVENSON died on the 25th of December, 1920, and Robert STEVENSON died on the 2nd of May, 1941. They both died in Toronto and are buried in Prospect Cemetery. This is all the information I have on these two lines. I would love to hear from anyone that may have come across these families, especially the ANTHONEY family. Thank you for your time. Regards, Kathy Stevenson Elmira, Ontario, Canada [email protected]

    02/13/2009 11:41:15
    1. [NIR-DOWN] Updated maps and database for Derry
    2. Murray
    3. I have just uploaded a corrected database and set of Civil Parish maps for Derry, see Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> The updated database now shows which civil parishes townlands were in as of 1851 (from the 1851 Census Index) and ca 1861 (from the Griffith Valuation). There are two sets of civil parish maps showing both versions. As in Down and Fermanagh some areas are significantly different, particularly to the south east of Limavady. The database now includes updates for Antrim, Derry, Down and Fermanagh. As I've mentioned before, with 15,000 or so townlands in Northern Ireland alone, it is unlikely that I will ever get around to mapping more than a small percentage of them. However if anyone has an interest in adding townlands in areas of interest, please contact me and I can show you how. -- Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com>

    02/13/2009 06:48:46
    1. [NIR-DOWN] Sherry and McCann families near Richmond Lodge, Holywood
    2. BarbandMike.telus.net
    3. I am looking for details of a family living "at the back of" William Dunville's Richmond Lodge, located near Holywood, in 1865. Mr. Sherry was the husband of Kitty McCann, daughter of John McCann. By 1865 they had two young daughters, Mary and ? Kitty's siblings were then both living with their father John nearby. John McCann was formerly a gardener at "Bush" near the town of Antrim for James Arthur Esq. Any assistance or leads for either the Sherry or McCann family is appreciated. Mike

    02/13/2009 06:30:13
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Forsyth in Kilkeel Parish, County Down
    2. Gary Morrison
    3. Yes, I have indeed checked out the Forsythe Rootsweb messages/archives. I have communicated with several of those individuals. Thank you for the suggestion. Gary> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:29:17 -0500> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Forsyth in Kilkeel Parish, County Down> > I think I have seen an inquirey for this couple before. Have you checked > the archives of the Forsythe Rootsweb site?> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Morrison" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:31 PM> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Forsyth in Kilkeel Parish, County Down> > > >> > I am new to the list. My ancestors are John Forsyth, born Sept 1788 in > > Ballymageogh Townland, Kilkeel Parish, County Down. He married Elizabeth > > McKinley, born March 1790 in Cabragh Townland, Clonduff Parish, County > > Down, on May 9, 1813. They emigrated to the USA in 1843, going to > > Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania first, then to Wapello County, Iowa. > > Does anyone connect with this family?> > I also know that John, along with James and George, appear in the 1830 > > Applotment Index for Ballymageogh. I would be interested in the full > > entry associated with this year and other years if anyone has access to > > them.> > Gary> > ---------------------------------> > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you?> > ---------------------------------> > Searchable list archive at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1947 - Release Date: 02/11/09 > 18:11:00> > ---------------------------------> 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you?> ---------------------------------> Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/12/2009 10:47:56
    1. [NIR-DOWN] Fw: First Posting Thanks
    2. Doug & Shirley Stevenson
    3. Sorry message sent to incorrect list-Blame themuch smoke and ash here! ----- Thanks for the detailed advice on way to go about researching. All details on my first posting were from Australian death certificates and St Mary's C of I in Newry. NIR-DOWN mailing list showed hundreds of archived messages for Gordon so I considered it a chance. Failed badly on the IGI family search so need to do some desperately needed developing of research skills This Aussie Kangaroo must leap into the correct paddock or pen! With repeated and sincere thanks to Linda Merle Cheers fron fire stricken Victoria Shirley S

    02/12/2009 02:59:40
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Forsyth in Kilkeel Parish, County Down
    2. Sandra Barker
    3. I think I have seen an inquirey for this couple before. Have you checked the archives of the Forsythe Rootsweb site? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Morrison" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Forsyth in Kilkeel Parish, County Down > > I am new to the list. My ancestors are John Forsyth, born Sept 1788 in > Ballymageogh Townland, Kilkeel Parish, County Down. He married Elizabeth > McKinley, born March 1790 in Cabragh Townland, Clonduff Parish, County > Down, on May 9, 1813. They emigrated to the USA in 1843, going to > Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania first, then to Wapello County, Iowa. > Does anyone connect with this family? > I also know that John, along with James and George, appear in the 1830 > Applotment Index for Ballymageogh. I would be interested in the full > entry associated with this year and other years if anyone has access to > them. > Gary > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1947 - Release Date: 02/11/09 18:11:00

    02/12/2009 02:29:17
    1. [NIR-DOWN] First Posting Thanks
    2. Doug & Shirley Stevenson
    3. Thanks for the detailed advice on way to go about researching. All details on my first posting were from Australian death certificates and St Mary's C of I in Newry. NIR-DOWN mailing list showed hundreds of archived messages for Gordon so I considered it a chance. Failed badly on the IGI family search so need to do some desperately needed developing of research skills This Aussie Kangaroo must leap into the correct paddock or pen! With repeated and sincere thanks to Linda Merle Cheers fron fire stricken Victoria Shirley S

    02/12/2009 02:09:37
    1. [NIR-DOWN] More Maps of Antrim, Down, and Belfast!
    2. ANDY AIRRIESS
    3. Gentle listers, At this URL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyairriess/sets/72157604322031931/ I've uploaded the following maps that you'll find at the bottom of the items on that page: 16 maps of post roads from 1778 of mostly Counties Down and Antrim. They are quite detailed and contain detail down to the single house. The towns detailed in the maps are contained in the description, but the title should give you an idea of the route. Large old maps of Counties Down and Antrim. I'm not sure of their age, I'm guessing late 1800s. but, particularly at larger sizes, you can see a lot of detail. 3 old engravings of Belfast. Two are the same except one is a colored version of the other (Belfast Lough from Cave Hill) and the other is Belfast from Newtownards (1869). When you click on one of the images, select "All Sizes" above it to view it at the resolution you like. The larger the size, the more detail you will see. I hope you enjoy them and find them useful in your research. Andy Airriess Researching McCORMICK in Belfast and environs, BOYD in Down and Belfast

    02/12/2009 01:26:06
    1. [NIR-DOWN] Forsyth in Kilkeel Parish, County Down
    2. Gary Morrison
    3. I am new to the list. My ancestors are John Forsyth, born Sept 1788 in Ballymageogh Townland, Kilkeel Parish, County Down. He married Elizabeth McKinley, born March 1790 in Cabragh Townland, Clonduff Parish, County Down, on May 9, 1813. They emigrated to the USA in 1843, going to Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania first, then to Wapello County, Iowa. Does anyone connect with this family? I also know that John, along with James and George, appear in the 1830 Applotment Index for Ballymageogh. I would be interested in the full entry associated with this year and other years if anyone has access to them. Gary

    02/12/2009 11:31:25
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Townland, PLU, etc.
    2. McEvoy, Deirdre
    3. Hi Charles This record would have been taken from a microfilm of the original RC parish records for Dromore and is NOT a PRONI record, as such. The microfilm can be accessed in PRONI as well as the National Library in Dublin and can also be ordered from your local Mormon Genealogical centre. As far as I know, "Banbridge" would not have been on the original record but it is possible that the people at UHF added Banbridge to let people know whereabouts Balleny is located, i.e. in the district of Banbridge. You would have to contact the UHF to find out why they did that, not PRONI. As to the spelling of Balleny/Bellany, it could be a mistranscription on the part of the UHF or it could be how the priest spelt it in the parish register. Spelling of placenames and surnames was fluid up to the early part of the 20th century, not standardised as it is today and names were written down the way the person who was writing the record felt it should be spelt. That is why people with surnames like O'Neill, O'Rourke, O'Reilly, O'Sullivan, etc. will frequently find that their ancestors were written down as Neill, Rourke, etc.. They would have had very little input into the correct spelling of their names at that time. Hope this helps. Regards Deirdre (McEvoy) IBI Corporate Finance Limited is a subsidiary of Bank of Ireland Group. IBI Corporate Finance Limited is regulated by the Financial Regulator. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed. If you are not an intended recipient of this email, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender (and [email protected]) that you have received it in error. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, IBI Corporate Finance (or any other member of Bank of Ireland Group) does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. IBI Corporate Finance Limited, 40 Mespil Road, Dublin 4. Registered in Ireland. Registered Number 89053.

    02/12/2009 08:13:00
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] First Posting Thanks
    2. Bob & Wendy Stevenson
    3. Hi Shirley, I don't know if you are researching Stevenson, but they are also from Co Down, migrated to Antrim, then our lot came to Canada... Wendy

    02/12/2009 07:07:49
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Townland, PLU, etc.
    2. Dick Ferguson
    3. Charles, In my grandfather's case, his address was Arlands, Burtonport, Donegal. In this case Burtonport was the major town in the area and the location of the Post Office; Arlands was the end address Townland. Mail was either held at the PO until picked up, or perhaps delivered weekly or in some cases more often. I the case you cite, Banbridge was the PO location and Balleny was the nearby townland and end address for your relative. Dick Charles O'Neill wrote: > I'm back again on my O'Neill ancestors. I need a little help from > someone conversant with how PRONI records data. Below is information > gleaned from www.AncestryIreland, the UHF's website. The record is of a > baptism. The information doubtless came from a PRONI record. > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Parish/District: DROMORE Roman Catholic > Date of Birth: _____________ > Date of Baptism: 20Feb1825 > First name: Charles > Surname: O'Neill > Sex: Male > Denomination: _____________ > Father's First name: Hugh > Father's Surname: O'Neill > Mother First name: _____________ > Mother Surname: Sloan > Witness 1 First Name: Hugh > Witness 1 surname: Magee > Witness 2 First Name: Alice > Witness 2 Surname: Tomilty > Address 1: BELLANY (almost certainly a transcription error. Should > read, I believe, BALLENY) > Address 2: ______ > Address 3: Banbridge > Address 4: Co Down > > Note: "Other possible spelling: HUGH NEILL" > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > > "Address 1: BELLANY" (Balleny) would be the townland. > "Address 2: _______" > "Address 3: Banbridge" is what I question. > > The townland of BALLENY is not in Banbridge, or vice-versa. It lies > north of Banbridge - going form Dromore to a bit to the south. > The only way I can reconcile all the "Addresses" listed as indicating > one place is if "Address 3: Banbridge" indicates the Poor Law Union. > But the record is of an event that occurred in 1825. The poor Law > Unions weren't created until a decade later. > > Would PRONI have recorded this 1825 baptism as occuring in the Poor Law > Union of Banbridge, even though that Poor Law Union did not exist at the > time of the baptism? > > Thanks. > > Charles O'Neill > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11750 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11750 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

    02/12/2009 05:15:43
    1. Re: [NIR-DOWN] Townland, PLU, etc.
    2. Charles O'Neill
    3. Thank you Deirdre! -- My email directly to you got rejected :-( I guess my next step to request the microfilm at my local Family History Center. As to my O'Neill ancestors input to the correct spelling of their name, I am almost certain they (the ones on the record in question) could neither read nor write - so they certainly would have had not much ability to have any input... and - who knows - they may have been Gaelic speakers. So - however the priest recorded it - is how it came out. (Although, unless precluded by prohibition in Ulster at the time - the original record would have been in Latin.) As to contacting the UHF, my luck in that regard has not been particularly good. Thanks again. Charles O'Neill McEvoy, Deirdre wrote: >Hi Charles > >This record would have been taken from a microfilm of the original RC >parish records for Dromore and is NOT a PRONI record, as such. The >microfilm can be accessed in PRONI as well as the National Library in >Dublin and can also be ordered from your local Mormon Genealogical >centre. As far as I know, "Banbridge" would not have been on the >original record but it is possible that the people at UHF added >Banbridge to let people know whereabouts Balleny is located, i.e. in the >district of Banbridge. You would have to contact the UHF to find out >why they did that, not PRONI. > >As to the spelling of Balleny/Bellany, it could be a mistranscription on >the part of the UHF or it could be how the priest spelt it in the parish >register. Spelling of placenames and surnames was fluid up to the early >part of the 20th century, not standardised as it is today and names were >written down the way the person who was writing the record felt it >should be spelt. That is why people with surnames like O'Neill, >O'Rourke, O'Reilly, O'Sullivan, etc. will frequently find that their >ancestors were written down as Neill, Rourke, etc.. They would have had >very little input into the correct spelling of their names at that time. > >Hope this helps. > >Regards > >Deirdre (McEvoy) > > >IBI Corporate Finance Limited is a subsidiary of Bank of Ireland Group. IBI Corporate Finance Limited is regulated by the Financial Regulator. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed. If you are not an intended recipient of this email, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender (and [email protected]) that you have received it in error. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, IBI Corporate Finance (or any other member of Bank of Ireland Group) does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. IBI Corporate Finance Limited, 40 Mespil Road, Dublin 4. Registered in Ireland. Registered Number 89053. > > > >

    02/12/2009 04:53:25