Irish Independent August 28, 1930 page 8 BEQUESTS IN DOWN PRIEST'S WILL Very Rev John Rooney, Hilltown, Co. Down, who died in June last, left £3,459. Religious bequests include £500 for the celebration of Masses, £250 to the Maynooth China Mission, and £400 to the Bishop of Dromore for the Seminary at Violet Hill, Newry. He left £500 to his niece, Teresa Maher, £100 to his niece, Moira Rooney; £100 to his nephew, Daniel Rooney £200 to his housekeeper, Annie Fanning; £50 to his chauffeur, Daniel Morgan; £100 for the poor of Clonduff; and the residue for the purchase of Stations of the Cross and marble altar rails for Hilltown Church, and erection of a Calvery in the new graveyard at Ballymagheny; any surplus to be used for religious purposes in the churches of Hilltown and Cabra. He desired to be buried in the cemetery at New Chapel, "near where Fathers Grant and Mooney are interred" and the executors are to have a reclining statue of "Our Lord of the Cross" erected over the grave, at a cost not to exceed £200.

Irish Independent October 8, 1934 page 2 LYNCH and O'PREY September 26, 1934 at Church of St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Leitrim, Co Down (with nuptial mass) by the Rev Father Doran PP Patrick Lynch (Bloodstock Breeder), only child of the late Daniel and Mrs Lynch of Stone House, Kilmcaden, Co Waterford, to Elizabeth (lizzie) second daughter of the late Michael and Mrs O'Prey (farmer) of Ballymagreehan, Castlewellan, Co Down. Northern Ireland papers please copy

Freeman's Journal Feb 8 1924 page 6 CO DOWN CENTENARIAN Impressive Scenes at Funeral of Venerable Lady The remains of Mrs Murphy, of Clanvaraghan, Castlewellan, Co Down were conveyed from her residence to their last resting place in the family burying ground adjoining the Parochial church, on Tuesday. There are few who reach the ripe age of 101 years, to which this lady attained. The funeral procession, the largest ever seen in the locality bore evidence to the high esteem in which Mrs Murphy and her family were held. From the Counties ofDown and Antrim, and even from distant Derry and Armagh, many came to pay their tribute of respect. The venerable parish priest, Rev D. O'Reilly, officiated in the Church and preached an impressive sermon on death, exhorting all present to imitate the example of the deceased, whose long life was a continued preparation for death. At the graveside the prayers were recited by her son, Very Rev B Murphy, PPVV Ballycastle, assisted by her grandson, Rev Michael McCartan, CC Loughbrickland. The following immediate relatives were present: Very Rev B. Murphy, P.P. V.F and Patrick Murphy (sons); Mrs C. McCartan and Mrs Annie McCartan (daughters); Rev M. McCartan, CC, Patrick McCartan, Bernard McCartan, John McCartan, and Patrick Murphy (grandsons) James McMullen and Edward McMullan (nephews). ============ This Annie Murphy was born in Backaderry according to the 1911 census. Michael, is this your Mrs Patrick (Annie) McCartan's mother? And the McCartan nephews are yours? Sheila she might be yours, too.

A List of Civil Bill Ejectments entered for trial in the County of Down for the years 1827 to 1833 There is about 1300 names from county down who had action taken against them by the landlord, for a house or land, this only gives the landlords name and the defendants name, it does not give the place of abode, but if a name interests you ,you can check with the online griffiths that gives the name of the landlords, some more names will go on over the weekend, and please remember the website search engine will not pick up new material till Monday, but you can browse through the names now by clicking on " Rent Court Cases" on the index page of the website, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I have uploaded the 1901 census transcript for Ballywillwill townland Kilmegan CP Downpatrick PLU to my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~meaneypj/index.htm It can be reached quickly via the latest updates link on my homepage Regards, Pete. [email protected]

I have a copy of the Men of Ards book by Harry Allen. I have indexed the names in the surname pages of my website- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies Email me if you want a further lookup. Regards, Ros Davies Hi Does anyone have a copy of the Men of Ards book by Harry Allen? I would love to find out the details of John Dalzell from Ardquin. I just tracked down his grgrgrgrgrandson and would like to let him know the history! Thanks allison -- Ros Davies Sydney Australia Check out my Co. Down, Ireland Genealogy Research Site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies Information on over 450,000 names, places & churches; townland maps and photos of over 400 churches and towns Searching for: -------------------------------------------- DAVIES in Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, Wales RIDING in Cockerham, Lancashire, UK MOLL in Kalsow, Mecklenburg/Schwerin, Germany LAUE in northern Germany ZIZELSBERGER in Austria MARNER in Co. Down, Ireland --------------------------------------------

Wayne What township in Lancaster County, PA did your family settle in? This may give a migration "Path" for other families from Ballnahinch in this early 1700's period. Lancaster County was formed in 1729 from Chester County. So have you looked at both Counties History Books? In 1718 the Rev James Macgregor, the Presbyterian Minister from Aghadowey, near Coleraine - with other Presbyterian Ministers, led some 300 families from North Antrim and eastern Derry to Boston and most of these settled in Londonderry, NH. In 2007, I saw a reference in Londonderry City that during the 1700's some one million Irish migrated to America (Most of these would be after 1718). So the Question is did Presbyterians from County Down also feel the same need to migrate due to actions of Queen Ann? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Shannon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland Dia Dhaoibh go leor, Hello all Wayne Shannon here. As long as we are on the subject of Ballynahinch, I would like to jump in with my problem. I believe that my Shannon's came from Ballynahinch Presbyterian Church, however, my time frame is before most of your's. They probably left for the colonies in the area of 1714-1720. How far back do the records at the Presbyterian church go? I have been to PRONI twice with no success. We were also closely related to the Reid's and lived and died along side them in Lancaster County Pa. It seems the only records available are post 1820 with just a handfull of general census' that don't include "regular" folks. An féidir libh cabhrú liom? (Can you help me?) Wayne Shannon here in the heartland of US (Iowa)

Wayne, The records for Ballynahinch Presbyterian Church which I mentioned are on Ros Davied Co. Down site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/WORDS/BallynahinchPresbyterianBirths.htm Good luck RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Shannon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland Dia Dhaoibh go leor, Hello all Wayne Shannon here. As long as we are on the subject of Ballynahinch, I would like to jump in with my problem. I believe that my Shannon's came from Ballynahinch Presbyterian Church, however, my time frame is before most of your's. They probably left for the colonies in the area of 1714-1720. How far back do the records at the Presbyterian church go? I have been to PRONI twice with no success. We were also closely related to the Reid's and lived and died along side them in Lancaster County Pa. It seems the only records available are post 1820 with just a handfull of general census' that don't include "regular" folks. An féidir libh cabhrú liom? (Can you help me?) Wayne Shannon here in the heartland of US (Iowa) Tír gan teanga Tír gan anam A country without a language A country without a soul > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:32:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > Gael, I have had a look at your Boyd problem. In Ancestry Ireland > www.ancestryireland.com there are two entries which just MIGHT be yours. > We > have a Mary Fagan married in 1875 in Co. Down - no father's names given > and > this indicates that it is a Roman Catholic marriage (from my experience) > and > there are several marriages for John Boyd. It might be worth spending the > £4 to look at Mary Fagan's marriage record. > The reason I say this is, In Ballymacarret there was a Vitriol Works owned > by William Boyd and Sons. Their addresses in 1861 were : William Boyd, > Sydenham, Daniel L. Boyd, Sydenham and John C. Boyd, 22 Lonsdale Street, > Belfast. > In the Belfast Street Directory for 1877 we have 56,58,60 Lonsdale Street > Charles Boyd, contractor, yard ,workshop and office. Same in 1880. > Do you think John C. was Charles's father, and indeed was Charles called > John Charles?? and did he use the name John when he married?? > The births of the following children are listed in Ancestry Ireland Hugh, > father Charles born 1876, Charles Louis, father Charles born 1879, Edward, > father Charles born 1880. These are all listed in Family Search.org as > well > as a female born 1877. They are all entered twice in Ancestry Ireland, > which also indicates that one entry is possibly a Catholic Baptism Record. > The building works in Ballymacarret were owned by a different name in > 1901. > I used to pass them in the bus on my way to school. RosemaryJoan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gael Herring" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:13 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wayne, According to my book 'researching scots-irish ancestors' by William Roulston, Ballynahinch Presbyterian Church Records do exist for that period, Baptisms 1696-1735, marriages,1696-1733, collections and disbursements, 1704-24, testimonials and certificates, 1715-34. Unfortunately there is no reference number for PRONI, so perhaps they are kept in the church??? RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Shannon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland Dia Dhaoibh go leor, Hello all Wayne Shannon here. As long as we are on the subject of Ballynahinch, I would like to jump in with my problem. I believe that my Shannon's came from Ballynahinch Presbyterian Church, however, my time frame is before most of your's. They probably left for the colonies in the area of 1714-1720. How far back do the records at the Presbyterian church go? I have been to PRONI twice with no success. We were also closely related to the Reid's and lived and died along side them in Lancaster County Pa. It seems the only records available are post 1820 with just a handfull of general census' that don't include "regular" folks. An féidir libh cabhrú liom? (Can you help me?) Wayne Shannon here in the heartland of US (Iowa) Tír gan teanga Tír gan anam A country without a language A country without a soul > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:32:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > Gael, I have had a look at your Boyd problem. In Ancestry Ireland > www.ancestryireland.com there are two entries which just MIGHT be yours. > We > have a Mary Fagan married in 1875 in Co. Down - no father's names given > and > this indicates that it is a Roman Catholic marriage (from my experience) > and > there are several marriages for John Boyd. It might be worth spending the > £4 to look at Mary Fagan's marriage record. > The reason I say this is, In Ballymacarret there was a Vitriol Works owned > by William Boyd and Sons. Their addresses in 1861 were : William Boyd, > Sydenham, Daniel L. Boyd, Sydenham and John C. Boyd, 22 Lonsdale Street, > Belfast. > In the Belfast Street Directory for 1877 we have 56,58,60 Lonsdale Street > Charles Boyd, contractor, yard ,workshop and office. Same in 1880. > Do you think John C. was Charles's father, and indeed was Charles called > John Charles?? and did he use the name John when he married?? > The births of the following children are listed in Ancestry Ireland Hugh, > father Charles born 1876, Charles Louis, father Charles born 1879, Edward, > father Charles born 1880. These are all listed in Family Search.org as > well > as a female born 1877. They are all entered twice in Ancestry Ireland, > which also indicates that one entry is possibly a Catholic Baptism Record. > The building works in Ballymacarret were owned by a different name in > 1901. > I used to pass them in the bus on my way to school. RosemaryJoan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gael Herring" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:13 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gael, I have had a look at your Boyd problem. In Ancestry Ireland www.ancestryireland.com there are two entries which just MIGHT be yours. We have a Mary Fagan married in 1875 in Co. Down - no father's names given and this indicates that it is a Roman Catholic marriage (from my experience) and there are several marriages for John Boyd. It might be worth spending the £4 to look at Mary Fagan's marriage record. The reason I say this is, In Ballymacarret there was a Vitriol Works owned by William Boyd and Sons. Their addresses in 1861 were : William Boyd, Sydenham, Daniel L. Boyd, Sydenham and John C. Boyd, 22 Lonsdale Street, Belfast. In the Belfast Street Directory for 1877 we have 56,58,60 Lonsdale Street Charles Boyd, contractor, yard ,workshop and office. Same in 1880. Do you think John C. was Charles's father, and indeed was Charles called John Charles?? and did he use the name John when he married?? The births of the following children are listed in Ancestry Ireland Hugh, father Charles born 1876, Charles Louis, father Charles born 1879, Edward, father Charles born 1880. These are all listed in Family Search.org as well as a female born 1877. They are all entered twice in Ancestry Ireland, which also indicates that one entry is possibly a Catholic Baptism Record. The building works in Ballymacarret were owned by a different name in 1901. I used to pass them in the bus on my way to school. RosemaryJoan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gael Herring" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > > > > _____ > > From: Gael Herring [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 05 August 2008 10:53 > To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]' > Subject: Boyd family of Ireland > > > > > > I require assistance to trace my ancestors. I hope you will be able to > assist. > > > My aim is to trace the origins of my family prior to Charles Boyd Charles > Boyd, ( Builder owned Lagan Building works) born 1849 Ormeau Road, > Belfast, > died 1915 ( Pietermaritzburg Natal, South Africa), married 9 June 1875 at > RC > Church, Ballymacarret > > > > > > In the 19th Century Roman Catholic registers of Ballymacarret in Belfast > city, a marriage entry was recorded on the 9th June > > 1875 between Charles Boyd and Mary Fagan. Witnesses: Edward Fagan and Kate > Fagan. However, despite checking and rechecking the Civil Registry Index > for > marriages, I could not find an entry for them. > > > > Son: > > John Dargan Boyd, b / /1888 (62 Lonsdale St. Belfast) > > > > Family all emigrated to South Africa in 1900. Possibly 6 or 7 children > > > > My GUESS is that his parents were married in 1875, John is most likely the > 6th or 7th child born to them. > > > > BOYD OF ORMEAU RD., BELFAST > > > > The origins of Charles Boyd before 1849 is not certain. > > > > Charles Boyd, b / /1849 (Ormeau Road, Belfast, Ireland), d 15/1 > /1915, Pietermaritzburg, Natal, South Africa. > > m 9/ 6 /1875 (church, town Ballymacarret, Beldast, Ireland), Mary > Fagan. Witnesses: Edward Fagan and Kate Fagan > > > > > > - Details. He was a builder and owned the Lagan Building Works in > Belfast. Charles, Mary and John Dargan Boyd (my grandfather) plus 7 > children ( Hugh - a builder, Charles - a chemist, Edward, a daughter who > practised as a nun is South Africa - Mother Reginald Boyd and Fred - who > returned to Ireland after 12 months in South Africa came to South Africa > in > 1900 - on what ship? > > > > John Dargan Boyd, b 12 / 4 /1888 (62 Lonsdale St. Belfast), d / > / South Africa, m / /191x (church, town, state, South Africa?), Ethel > Chick, dau of and (nee ) Chick, b / > /1880 (Bedminster, Bristol, England), d / /19xx ( > > - details? > > > > John Cecil Boyd, b 3 /4 /1924 (Eppingdean, Acacia Way Pinelands > Cape > Town South Africa), d March 2003 m / /1948 (Mowbray catholic Church > Cape > Town South Africa), Celia May Hastie > > > > Gael Boyd, b 28/6 /1949 ( Daughter) > > > > Sources: From Gael Herring, [email protected], 13 Ketch Street > Sunvalley > Fish Hoek Cape Town South Africa > > > > > > Regards > > > > Gael Herring nee Boyd > > > > > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dia Dhaoibh go leor, Hello all Wayne Shannon here. As long as we are on the subject of Ballynahinch, I would like to jump in with my problem. I believe that my Shannon's came from Ballynahinch Presbyterian Church, however, my time frame is before most of your's. They probably left for the colonies in the area of 1714-1720. How far back do the records at the Presbyterian church go? I have been to PRONI twice with no success. We were also closely related to the Reid's and lived and died along side them in Lancaster County Pa. It seems the only records available are post 1820 with just a handfull of general census' that don't include "regular" folks. An féidir libh cabhrú liom? (Can you help me?) Wayne Shannon here in the heartland of US (Iowa) Tír gan teanga Tír gan anam A country without a language A country without a soul > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:32:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > Gael, I have had a look at your Boyd problem. In Ancestry Ireland > www.ancestryireland.com there are two entries which just MIGHT be yours. We > have a Mary Fagan married in 1875 in Co. Down - no father's names given and > this indicates that it is a Roman Catholic marriage (from my experience) and > there are several marriages for John Boyd. It might be worth spending the > £4 to look at Mary Fagan's marriage record. > The reason I say this is, In Ballymacarret there was a Vitriol Works owned > by William Boyd and Sons. Their addresses in 1861 were : William Boyd, > Sydenham, Daniel L. Boyd, Sydenham and John C. Boyd, 22 Lonsdale Street, > Belfast. > In the Belfast Street Directory for 1877 we have 56,58,60 Lonsdale Street > Charles Boyd, contractor, yard ,workshop and office. Same in 1880. > Do you think John C. was Charles's father, and indeed was Charles called > John Charles?? and did he use the name John when he married?? > The births of the following children are listed in Ancestry Ireland Hugh, > father Charles born 1876, Charles Louis, father Charles born 1879, Edward, > father Charles born 1880. These are all listed in Family Search.org as well > as a female born 1877. They are all entered twice in Ancestry Ireland, > which also indicates that one entry is possibly a Catholic Baptism Record. > The building works in Ballymacarret were owned by a different name in 1901. > I used to pass them in the bus on my way to school. RosemaryJoan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gael Herring" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:13 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: Boyd family of Ireland > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Thanks, I think :-) So what is a barony? My Rice family came from Ballynahinch, baptised in Loughinisland RC Church in County Down. So I am to assume we are talking the town Ballynahinch? Regards Michelle ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:58:55 +0000 From: Ella Patterson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ballynahinch is also a town in County Down (this one is not a barony) Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean McCartan Sent: 18 February 2009 07:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch The Barony Of Ballynahinch is in County Galway. Sean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch Hi List Just a little confused. I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? Cheers Michelle Roberts (Rice) Western Australia ________________________________________________________________________ ____ _ This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, delete it from your system and destroy all copies. DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 17752 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 64 *************************************** _____________________________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, delete it from your system and destroy all copies. DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free.

Hi Does anyone have a copy of the Men of Ards book by Harry Allen? I would love to find out the details of John Dalzell from Ardquin. I just tracked down his grgrgrgrgrandson and would like to let him know the history! Thanks allison

Hi List Just a little confused. Some info coming through has nothing to do with my family of Rice's but occasionally there are little gems about other sites, etc, I check out and find this a great service. I don't have the time to look for everything and I thank you. I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? Cheers Michelle Roberts (Rice) Western Australia _____________________________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, delete it from your system and destroy all copies. DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free.

Michelle. Just what precisely does the Loughinisland parish register say about you Rice ancestor, and what is the date given. I checked Daniel Mullen's 1782 list of residents for Ballynahinch and there is no Rice listed. As far a I know, Mullen's survey of the properties of John, Earl Moira which included Ballynahinch is about as old as these records get. I am very interested in your resolution of this since Loughinisland records for Magheradrool parish, including Ballynahinch, usually just say Magheradrol(sic). I am reading your mail to indicate that perhaps this old RC register can be mined for names of residents of Balynahinch itrtself subsequent to Mullen's work and prior to any other early 19th cent records fror the town that I am aware of. The inter-regnum between Mullen and the establishment of of St Michael's in Ballynahinch in 1827, and the begining of its register, is essentially a black hole for researchers. Anything which may shed light on this period is well worth pursuing. Thanks. Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:03 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch > > Hi List > Just a little confused. Some info coming through has nothing to do with > my family of Rice's but occasionally there are little gems about other > sites, etc, I check out and find this a great service. I don't have the > time to look for everything and I thank you. > > I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came > across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though > Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? > > Cheers > Michelle Roberts (Rice) > Western Australia > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michelle, If the only information you have on the location of your Rice family is that they "came from Ballynahinch, baptised in Loughinisland RC Church in County Down", then it is very likely they came from somewhere close to Loughinisland RC Church in County Down. The fact that they "came from Ballynahinch" can mean three things. It can mean that they came from either: Ballynahinch Town Ballynahinch townland Or (more likely) Somewhere near Ballynahinch (probably a townland somewhere between Ballynahinch town and Loughinisland RC Church). A quick look at the appropriate Griffiths maps on the website "Ask About Ireland" shows that there are probably around 15 townlands which could be said to lie between Ballynahinch town and Loughinisland RC Church. If you are very lucky then they will have come from either Ballynahinch townland or Ballynahinch town. However, you cannot rule the third possibility out. When answering the question "Where are you from" people would often have given the official the name of the nearest town rather than give the name of their townland whose Irish-sounding name the official most likely would have been unfamiliar with. Fortunately, we now have an excellent online mapping resource (see below) which, along with a search of names in Griffiths Valuation (1863 for Ballynahinch area) will allow you to search for all mentions of Rices in the townlands around Ballynahinch (especially those closer to Loughinisland Church, which is in Tevenadarragh townland - see "Ask About Ireland" website below). Loughinisland RC Church is located close to the southern edge of Tevenadarragh townland. To get a good idea of the layout of the broader area in which your Rices lived you should check out the Ask About Ireland website. Here are instructions showing how to find the 1850s map of Ballynahinch (townland and town). You can find Tevenadarragh townland and other places by following the same steps. Go to the "Ask About Ireland" website http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_place_search_form.php In "Enter a Placename" type "Ballynahinch" Below that, in "County" Select "Down". Then click on "Start Searching". On the new web page which comes up: on the first of the rows of placenames (Row: Ballynahinch, Down, Kinelarty etc.) click on the 1850s map picture. A map of the area which includes Ballynahinch townland and other surrounding townlands comes up. Zoom in on Ballynahinch townland (the name of the townland is easy to spot). The townland boundaries are thick red lines (as opposed to thinner red lines which show individual farm/property boundaries). When you look more closely at the townland you will see Ballynahinch town also. The numbers relate to Griffiths Valuation 1863. In Griffiths Lists (for Ballynahinch etc.) you find the Rice surname and note the number (sometimes 2 numbers) on the left-most column. These numbers also appear on the "Ask About Ireland" Griffiths maps and show you exactly where those Rices lived and the boundaries of their farm/property (or town house etc.). Below are the few Rices who appear in Griffiths for Ballynahinch and Ballynahinch town in 1863. Griffiths Valuation 1863 Ballynahinch town lies mostly within Ballynahinch townland. However, a small part of the town also lies within the upper part of Ballymaglave North Townland which itself lies just below Ballynahinch Townland on the map. In the portion of Ballynahinch town which lies within Ballymaglave townland the following Rice is listed. The numbers can be seen both on the left column of Griffiths Valuation lists and on the "Ask About Ireland" Griffiths map. Gas Works Road: 25 (property?) 39 (House Number?) Catherine Rice. David S Ker is the estate landlord. In Ballynahinch townland no Rices are listed. In the portion of Ballynahinch town which lies within Ballynahinch townland the following Rice is listed. High Street 78 (property?) 1 (House number?) Charlotte Rice. The landlord or persons who rented the property to Charlotte were James Ritchie and another. As another person has hinted at, I would guess that there are far more Rices in the townlands between Loughinisland Church/Tevenadarragh townland and Ballynahinch town. If you can get access to the names listed in Griffiths Valuation ("Downpatrick Union" is the section you need) then you can check them all out yourself. At least then you will know better what you are dealing with. If you could get a definite name of a townland you would be in a much better position (or confirmation that it is Ballynahinch town they came from. I might be wrong, but it is more likely your Rices came from a townland. PS: When you need to know what any word means (e.g. Barony) just search for the word in Google or whatever search engine you use on your computer. Now that genealogy is so popular, you can be certain that all those words are explained very clearly on the internet somewhere. Best of luck. Billy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:27 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch > > > Thanks, I think :-) > So what is a barony? > My Rice family came from Ballynahinch, baptised in Loughinisland RC > Church in County Down. So I am to assume we are talking the town > Ballynahinch? > > Regards > Michelle >

You are definitely talking the town of Ballynahinch. A barony was an administrative district but it no longer really exists. It is useful for us because censuses, poor law relief and things like that were to some extent based on baronies If you go to http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/local_history/geographical_index/baronies_.htm you will get a list of NI Baronies. This part of the PRONI website is also very good at explaining townlands, parishes, poor law unions etc. Hope this helps PS Rice is a very common name in that area. I actually live about 7 miles from Ballynahinch, near the village of Dromara and even there there are lots of Rices Cheers Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts Sent: 18 February 2009 08:27 To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch Thanks, I think :-) So what is a barony? My Rice family came from Ballynahinch, baptised in Loughinisland RC Church in County Down. So I am to assume we are talking the town Ballynahinch? Regards Michelle ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:58:55 +0000 From: Ella Patterson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ballynahinch is also a town in County Down (this one is not a barony) Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean McCartan Sent: 18 February 2009 07:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch The Barony Of Ballynahinch is in County Galway. Sean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch Hi List Just a little confused. I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? Cheers Michelle Roberts (Rice) Western Australia ________________________________________________________________________ ____ _ This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, delete it from your system and destroy all copies. 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Michelle, I had always known there were two Ballynahinch's (County Down and County Galway). However, I was very surprised when I looked at a copy of the "General Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes and Baronies of Ireland" (in PRONI, Belfast). There are actually 13 Ballynahinch's in Ireland!!! They are: 1 Barony: Ballynahinch, County Galway (in which lies a Ballynahinch townland - see below) 11 Townlands: Ballynahinch, County Armagh Ballynahinch, County Clare Ballynahinch, County Galway Ballynahinch, County Kerry Ballynahinch, County Kings County Ballynahinch, County Limerick Ballynahinch, County Longford Ballynahinch, County Tipperary N R Ballynahinch, County Tipperary N R Ballynahinch, County Tipperary S R Ballynahinch, County Down 1 Town: Ballynahinch, County Down (which lies within Ballynahinch townland, County Down). Looking for ancestors in Ballynahinch, Ireland? Best of luck! Billy. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch > > > Hi List > Just a little confused. Some info coming through has nothing to do with > my family of Rice's but occasionally there are little gems about other > sites, etc, I check out and find this a great service. I don't have the > time to look for everything and I thank you. > > I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came > across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though > Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? > > Cheers > Michelle Roberts (Rice) > Western Australia > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent > of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this > email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 17752 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > --------------------------------- > 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? > --------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ballynahinch is also a town in County Down (this one is not a barony) Ella Ella Patterson Cataloguer Cataloguing Department Main Library Resources Management Division The Queen's University of Belfast University Square Belfast BT7 1LS Northern Ireland Tele: +44 28 90973639 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean McCartan Sent: 18 February 2009 07:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch The Barony Of Ballynahinch is in County Galway. Sean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch Hi List Just a little confused. Some info coming through has nothing to do with my family of Rice's but occasionally there are little gems about other sites, etc, I check out and find this a great service. I don't have the time to look for everything and I thank you. I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? Cheers Michelle Roberts (Rice) Western Australia ____________________________________________________________________________ _ This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, delete it from your system and destroy all copies. DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 17752 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Barony Of Ballynahinch is in County Galway. Sean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballynahinch Hi List Just a little confused. Some info coming through has nothing to do with my family of Rice's but occasionally there are little gems about other sites, etc, I check out and find this a great service. I don't have the time to look for everything and I thank you. I think I was looking at a pension site someone mentioned and came across the Barony of Ballynahinch in County Galwey. I though Ballynahinch was in County Down. Can anyone explain? Cheers Michelle Roberts (Rice) Western Australia ____________________________________________________________________________ _ This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, delete it from your system and destroy all copies. DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. --------------------------------- 476 list members as of 1 Feb 2009 - how many are related to you? --------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 17752 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message