Thanks to Lisa Johnson Iowa Biographies Project BOWDEN, HUGH.—Lincoln Twp— pg 752-3. Section 30, P.O. Brooklyn. His father (Robert) was born inCounty Downs, Ireland, in 1799; married Sarah Ewart, who was born in the same county about 1797; she died in 1876, and was followed by her husband in July, 1877. Hugh crossed the Atlantic Ocean in 1864, and, landing in New York City, proceeded to Rock Island county, Illinois, where he was hired by a farmer for five years. He then moved to Iowa, and rented for the next five years, a farm from Mr. John McLain, of Scott township. He then moved to and finished improving his present place, which he had bought in the winter of 1866. He married in Rock Island county, Illinois, February 4, 1869, to Margaret Hamilton, who was born in County Downs, Ireland, October 10, 1839. The births resulting from this union have been as follows: Robert (born March 31, 1871), Wm. John (born October 18, 1873), Hugh (born December 10, 1875), Nancy Jane (born December 1, 1877) and an infant, deceased. Mr. Bowden owns about thirty acres of good land, well stocked and free from debt.

Thanks to Lois G C McMillin of the Iowa Biographies Project McAvoy, James, Deceased; was born January 9, 18009, in County Down, Ireland. His father was a sea-faring man, and gave his son a thorough education. At the age of 18 he came to America, and went to Washington, D. C., and soon after secured a contract on the national pike; but lost his earnings by the failure of the chief contractors. He then went to Greencastle, Indiana, and then to Stilesville, Indiana, still working on public works, canals and railroads. During the Mexican war he enlisted in Capt. Crawford's company, Second Indiana Volunteers, and served till the regiment was disbanded. He came to this county in 1850, and located where the family homestead now is; consisting of 327 acres of improved land. He was married December 2, 1833, to Miss Jane Cunningham, a native of North Carolina, born May 19, 1811; the marriage taking place at Stilesville, Indiana. Mr. McAvoy after living an active and useful life, passed away September 27, 1872, much regretted by all. A man of brilliant education, ready wit, and thorough knowledge of the world. He was a war democrat and visited the army several times during the rebellion. He left a family of four children, Charles J., Larissa A., and Lewis C., living at home, and Christopher C., married, and John F., deceased in 1858, aged 19. Charles J. served during the war, enlisting in August 1862, in Company G, Second Iowa Infantry, and was in the battles of Bear Creek, Buzzard's Roost, Kenesaw Mountain, and was with Sherman through Atlanta and Savannah; and then to Washington, being in the grand review, and mustered out June 14, 1865. Since which time he has been engaged in farming.

Thanks to Dick Barton of the Iowa Biographies Project Henry Martin Forsythe, deceased, was a machinist who rose to a position of responsibility in connection with railway interests. He was born August 16, 1825, and died on the 27th of June, 1902, having reached the age of seventy- seven years. His birth occurred in Hickory, Pennsylvania, and he was a son of John and Rebecca (Baird) Forsythe. The father came from County Down, Ireland, to the new world and settled in Pennsylvania, where he lived for a number of years. He afterward removed with his family to Ohio, where he followed farming, continuing to reside in that state until his life's labors were ended in death. Henry M. Forsythe was the tenth in order of birth in a family of twelve children and was reared upon the Ohio farm, early becoming familiar with the duties and labors that fall to the lot of the farm boy as he aids in tilling the fields and in cultivating and harvesting the crops. He acquired his education in the district schools and afterward learned the tanner's trade, but did not follow it. Instead he went to Hanover, Indiana, where he engaged in running a sawmill in connection with a partner, there continuing for about eight years. He next came to Linn county, where he accepted odd jobs, doing any work that would yield him an honest living. Later he turned his attention to railway interests and was in charge of machinist's work, being thus connected up to the time of his death. He possessed good mechanical ability and along machinist's lines worked his way upward to a position of considerable responsibility. On the 24th of November, 1852, Mr. Forsythe was united in marriage to Miss Helen Lang Anderson, whose people came from Scotland and settled in Kentucky. Subsequently they removed to Indiana, where her father, William Anderson, carried on farming. His wife bore the maiden name of Margaret Harper. Unto Mr. and Mrs. Forsythe were born eight children: Alice, now deceased; Emma Harper, who is engaged in teaching school; Clarence B., who married Carrie Porter; Minard A.; Lavinia M., a school teacher; Elida May, deceased; Evelina, the wife of S. W. Brainard, by whom she has four children - Sydney F., Kenneth A., Helen Caryl and Henry S.; and Harry H., who was the youngest of the family and is now deceased. Mr. Forsythe belonged to the United Presbyterian church and his life was ever an upright and honorable one, in harmony with his professions. He at all times endeavored to follow the golden rule, doing unto others as he would have them do unto him, and his many sterling qualities won him the respect, confidence and good will of those with whom he was associated.

Greetings from New Zealand. My connection with County Down is as follows any help is appreciated: Alexander McMillan born 5 Mar 1823. Dromore County Down. father Samuel mother Mary unknown. Nothing known about parents. Alexander enlisted in the 99th Regiment no. 2031 30 Nov 1842 at Armagh. He went to Australia and then New Zealand. After the 99th returned to England he transferred to the 40th Regiment after his discharge he married Maria McGuinness born 1841 in Belfast. they married in Tasmania. Maria's father was Patrick McGUINNESS b 1805. mother Margaret Shannon b 1807. Nothing further is known about Maria's parents. I suspect Patrick was also in the military. Regards Ivan Ivan says no virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00

Thanks to Becky Teubner of the Iowa Biographies Project WILLIAM FOGARTY William Fogarty owns and operates a finely improved farm of one hundred acres in Buffalo township, Linn county. He is a native son of the state, born in Dubuque county, in 1858, his parents being Daniel and Mary (Cleary) Fogarty, both natives of Ireland, They came to America at a very early day and spent five years in New York state, whence they removed to Dubuque county, Iowa, where the father spent several years in railroading. He then rented a farm in Buffalo township, Linn county, operating the same for three years, and at the end of that time he was enabled to purchase forty acres in that township. This proved but the beginning of his success, however, for as he prospered he kept adding to his original holdings from time to time until at his death his possessions aggregated five hundred and sixty acres of land, which he divided among his children, each of his sons receiving one hundred acres, while the remainder was given to his other children. He was twice married, William, the subject of this review, having been born of his first marriage. His mother died in 1865, and in 1868 the father was again married, his second union being with Mrs. Ellen O 'Neal, who was born in Ireland , and by whom he had three children, Maggie, Daniel and John, The father died November 14, 1908 . William Fogarty acquired his education in the common schools and was early trained in the work of the fields, assisting his father during the periods of vacation. Putting aside his text-books, he gave his entire time to the cultivation of the farm, remaining under the parental roof until he was thirty years of age. He was then given by his father the one hundred acres of land on which he now makes his home, this being located in Buffalo township. He has made many modern improvements on the place, which include a good country residence, a substantial barn and outbuildings for the shelter of grain and stock, and everything about the place is neat and attractive in appearance, indicating the progressive methods of the owner. On the 6th of June, 1899 , occurred the marriage of Mr. Fogarty and Miss Bridget Fay, a daughter of Edward and Margaret (Mulconery) Fay, who were natives of Ireland . In early life they emigrated to America , first locating in Chicago , but after ten years spent in the western metropolis, they made their way to Jones county, Iowa . There the father purchased one hundred acres of land, operating the same until the mother's death in February, 1898, after which he lived retired in Anamosa until he passed away on the 6th of August, 1909 . Their family numbered six children. Politically Mr. Fogarty is a democrat and at present is serving as township trustee. Both he and his wife are members of the Catholic church. He shows good judgment in the conduct of his business affairs and in his work is meeting success.

David Halferty In the pioneer epoch in the history of this section of Iowa David Halferty, who was born in countyDown, Ireland, was educated for the substantial development and permanent improvement of Keokukcounty. He saw he wild lands transformed into fine farms, while industrial and commercial interests have been introduced and thus towns have become thriving cities. In the work of progress he did his share and was particularly active as a representative of the agricultural interests of the community. He was one of the oldest settlers of Richland township at the time of his death, which occurred August 31,1902. Mr. Halferty was born on the 9th of November, 1817, in Fairfield township, Westmoreland county, Pennsylvania, of which state his father, John Halferty, was also a native. His paternal grandfather, Edward Halferty, who was born in County Down, Ireland, was educated for the priesthood, came to this country with a brother at an early day and took up his residence in the Keystone state. From Pennsylvania John Halferty removed to Ohio, becoming a pioneer of Richland county, where he made his home throughout the remainder of his life, dying at about the age of sixty-five years. By occupation he was a farmer. His wife, who bore the maiden name of Elizabeth Nisbet, was also a native of Pennsylvania and was of Welsh and German descent. She died when about seventy years of age. In the family of this worthy couple were twelve children, eleven sons and one daughter, and with one exception all reached man and womanhood, there never being a death in the family until all were grown. The sons were all stout and quite large. Three of the children are still living, namely: Zepheniah; Jacob; and Elizabeth, the wife of Allen Armentrout of California. The subject of this sketch was a child of about six years when he accompanied his parents on their removal to Ohio, and in Richland county lie grew to manhood, his education being obtained in an old time log schoolhouse, Samuel Kirkwood being one of his teachers. On reaching man's estate he was married in Knox county, Ohio, November 2, 1843, to Miss Mary Brolliar, who was born in Somersetcounty, Pennsylvania, on the 24th of May, 1824, and was but four years old when her family removed to Stark county, Ohio. Two years later they took up their residence in Knox county, where she was reared and educated, attending school near Ankenytown, which place was named in honor of her uncle, Mr. Ankeny, who was a prominent man of that locality and represented his district in the Ohio legislature. Mrs. Halferty was also the sixth in order of birth in a family of twelve children, six sons and six daughters. Our subject and his wife began their married life upon the old homestead near Ankenytown in Knoxcounty, Ohio, but in 1845 they decided to try their fortune on the other side of the Mississippi and came to Keokuk county, Iowa, by teams, locating at once in Richland township, where a little log house was built in the midst of the forest. Although this primitive dwelling contained but one room the latch-string was always out and many a guest was made welcome within its hospitable doors. Upon this farm Mr. and Mrs. Halferty had lived for fifty-seven years, when he died, and during this time it has been converted from a wild tract to one of great fruitfulness. Throughout his active business life our subject followed agricultural pursuits. He took up land from the government and at one time owned three hundred and sixty acres, but disposed of much of this, though at his death he owned one hundred and thirty acres, which is under a high state of cultivation and well improved. Having retired from active labor he rented a few years before his death the farm, and enjoyed a well earned rest. To Mr. and Mrs. Halferty were born eight children, as follows: Elenora, now the wife of Dr. John Roop, a resident of Nebraska; Jordan A., deceased; Columbus D., who married Alwilda Clevenger; Zepheniah, who married Venishia Stewart; Leonidas C., who married Hattie Powell; Isadora, deceased; Van, who married May Jolly; and Dora, the wife of S. E. Chacey. The parents of these children celebrated their golden wedding in 1893, having for over half a century traveled life's journey together, sharing its joys and sorrows, its adversity and prosperity. Their married life covered a period of fifty-seven years, and they had twenty-one grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. After attaining his majority Mr. Halferty supported the Democratic party until 1853, when he became a Whig, and on the organization of the Republican party he joined its ranks and thereafter continued a stanch supporter of its principles. From 1857 he was a member of the Baptist church and took an active part in church work. His estimable widow, however, holds membership in the Adventist church. She survives him and resides on the old home. Mr. Halferty was universally respected by all who knew him, and (during the fifty-seven years he lived in Richland township he was never sued or ever brought suit in court, and no quarrel or serious trouble ever arose between him and a neighbor. He retained his mental faculties in full vigor up to the hour of his death and the data for this sketch of his life was furnished by him a short time before his death. Iowa Biographies project

LESTER, ALEXANDER—Deep River Twp—pg 734-5. Section 30, P.O. Tilton. His parents were both natives of Scotland, but emigrated in early life to Ireland. Here they worked in the linen factories, and here Alexander was born, in the county of Down, the 15th of August, 1816. The father crossed the ocean with his family, and on the 8th of May, 1848, landed at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where he plied his business of manufacturing ingrain carpets. In 1850 they moved to Oakland county, Michigan, where Alexander worked a rented farm for three years, and then moved to Mahaska county, Iowa, the 22d of February, 1855. He entered land and farmed for four years, when he traded for his present place, to which he moved March 13, 1859. Mr. Lester married the 13th of July, 1852, Mrs. Dodds, of Oaklandcounty, Michigan, who was born in Ireland May 24, 1828. Her maiden name was Ann J. Graham, and she was married to her first husband on the 5th of April, 1845, and bore him two boys: William (born January 20, 1847, died within a few weeks) and William John (born July 10, 1848). Mr. and Mrs. Lester have five children: David (born April 14, 1853), Jane Eliza (born October 26, 1854; married November 14, 1872, to Samuel Conn), Martha Ellen (born January 25, 1857, married October 14, 1875, to Melford F. Babb), Margaret Elliot Green (born December 25, 1860, married April 22, 1880, to Charles E. Sanders) and Alexander (born March 15, 1863). Mr. Lester owns 80 acres of good farming land

MOORE, HUGH—Deep River Twp—pg 736-7. Section 36, P.O. Aurora, Keokuk county. His ancestors were from Scotland. His grandfather emigrated to Ireland, where his father was born about 1798. Hugh was born in County Down, Ireland, July 12, 1821, where he was raised on a farm and educated. He crossed the ocean, and landed in New York City, May 16, 1847. May 7, 1850, he reached Dubuque, and for the next three years farmed in that county. He then went to California, where he mined successfully until his impaired eyesight compelled his return to New York. Upon the recovery of his eyesight he went to Philadelphia, where he worked in a foundry. After some other wanderings he returned to Iowa, and rented a farm in Adams township, Keokuk county. In 1869 he bought and commenced the improvement of his present farm, and moved to it February 4, 1870. He married February 3, 1870, Electa Mushrush, of Keokuk county, who was born in Crawford county, Pennsylvania, July 15, 1844. To them, as the result of their union, have been added a few Moore(s) as follows: Agnes E. (born November 7, 1870), William J. (born June 10, 1872; died August 15, 1874), Margaret C. (born January 27, 1876; died September 11, 1879) and Hugh Edward (born August 31, 1878). Mr. Moore owns 120 acres of good farming land, and is free from debt. Iowa Biographies Project-Rootsweb

I am looking for Anna HENRY who was born in Newry about 1818 and married William Campbell there in abt 1836. In 1841 they migrated to Auckland New Zealand. Anna died there in 1901 and it is from her death cert that I gained the above info. Can anyone suggest where to look from here? I'd like to know her parent's names and anymore about her. I think William was from Scotland and not sure why he was in Newry thanks Carolyn

Could anyone advise if there Speers listed in the book? I'e' is it worth purchasing? I am searching Speers (fairly sure of spelling) from Down in general and in particular Hugh b. 1780 Tandaragee, County Armagh, Ireland- d.1851County Down, Ireland. If anyone is interested, I have started a Irish strays GEDCOM and input whenever I see reference to an online resource or text of value. Thanks, Alex P.S Cold in NZ? He he! Windchill here seems -30 but just -12C here in Nova Scotia! (:<) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:11:51 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time) From: "Kate Cunningham" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Gravestone Inscriptions - Newry To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks everyone, particularly Gordon and Glen. I've just ordered a copy from www.booksireland.org.uk for 8 pounds + postage so will sit back and wait for it to arrive. As Glen pointed out, there were lots of entries for the names I'm interested in so too much for a lookup... much better to buy the book for myself. Can anyone tell me what the name of the nearest Presbyterian church for the Commons area would be? Thanks again to everyone for their help. Cheers, Kate Cunningham in a very cold and windy Wellington NZ....winter has arrived early

Hi Michelle. A quick note. I have to go up to town today. Lonhan islands is Loughinisland, a parish in the the Barony of Kinlarty, Co Down. There is a village of the same name in this Parish. See Ros Davies site. I'll go through my notes on the othere questions you raised when I get back tonight. Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:58 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > > > Hi Owen > Just trying to go back on notes. Did you have Mary Rice born 08.04.1810 > Loughinisland, who married Bernard Davy on 2.11.1835. He was born c1810 > in Ballynahinch. Marr Loughinisland RC Church, L,CD, Ireland > > I received a lot of information from Bridget Brennan's Rices and noted > this Davy. You had already give me others who married Rices too. > > > With regard to the Ballynahinch and Loughinisland query and my Rices - I > can only say that I found my info re this in a book in our library here > in Western Australia. The book was titled: > The Veterans: A History of the Enrolled Pensioner Force in Western > Australia, 1850-1880. > Besides noting Matthew's (my gt gt grandfather) regiment and pay, his > arrival in WA, his land allocation, pension and death and obit, it also > noted his military history. Now I don't know if I would get more from > records and I may try but not too sure where to go for it. > > It says born Lonhan Islands, Ballynahinch, Co Down. I have not been > able to find a Lonhan Islands anywhere. It has enlisted 74th Regt > 20.10.1834 aged 18 years. His death cert in 1883 states he was 70 years > (1813). His baptism state was 7.5.1818. Possibly was born 1816, > baptised 1818 and who knows if death age was correct. Father John was > noted on his marriage cert. Matthew was transferred to 1st Battn, Rifle > Brigade for the purpose of serving with an elder brother. If I knew his > elder brother, I could tie him up with some of the Rice info I have > found. All I know was that he was baptised in Loughinisland RC Church > from the website, no actual records sited. The Ballynahinch info was > from this book. > > Matthew serviced 21 years including Malta and Ionian Islands and Cape of > Good Hope. I thought initially that Lonhan Islands may be a mistake for > Ionian Islands until I found out where they were. Even thought he was > born overseas and then went back home to register the birth but don't > think so. I feel it was supposed to be Loughinisland not Lonhan Island. > Matthew served Kaffir War of 1846-47 and again at Cape 2 Jan 1852 to 9 > Nov 1853 including Kaffir War of that period. He was discharged > 27.10.1855. This book even gives his hair and eye colour. It was a > great resource but now I am trying to piece the family back in County > Down. > > I would appreciate knowing where I go to find his military records and > finding out who this elder brother is. It could be John Rice (1806), > William Rice (1808) or James Rice (1810) as they are the names of > possible siblings that were also baptised at Loughinisland RC Church > with father John. All with no mother mentioned. > > Sorry a bit long guys, I have found it fascinating filling in the gaps > and have still much more to do. > > Cheers > Michelle (nee Rice) > Western Australia > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 20:42:00

Thanks everyone, particularly Gordon and Glen. I've just ordered a copy from www.booksireland.org.uk for 8 pounds + postage so will sit back and wait for it to arrive. As Glen pointed out, there were lots of entries for the names I'm interested in so too much for a lookup... much better to buy the book for myself. Can anyone tell me what the name of the nearest Presbyterian church for the Commons area would be? Thanks again to everyone for their help. Cheers, Kate Cunningham in a very cold and windy Wellington NZ....winter has arrived early

Great job! Fiona. Very enjoyable and informative read. Thank you and Sheila and all your contributors. Nan On Mar 11, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Fiona Jones wrote: > Thanks to all the help I have received from members of the Yahoo Co. > Down > GROUP the CDG newsletter is now available online in the new PDF > format. This > means that all the links are clickable (or should be). > > Enjoy! > > http://www.igp-web.com/down/CDG-Newsletter.htm > > One shock I discovered in preparing the DOWN STAR is that SODA BREAD > is NOT > Irish after all! > > > Fiona. > ======= > IGP Co. Down Coordinator > http://www.igp-web.com/down/index.htm > Author of Miners of Mourne > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mourneminers/ > *NEW* Co. Down Genealogy Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CountyDownGenealogy/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Ellen I hope you don't mind me adding to this post but I thought I should let you know that there were Catholic churches at that time period in London, at least 3 of them : Hampstead (opened 1814) St Mary Moorfields (opened 1820) St Patricks, Soho (not sure when opened but I believe it was the largest Catholic Church in London at that time). If you google these churches you might be able to contact them to see where their parish records are held. You will also find that, in England, Catholics married in Church of England (Anglican) churches if there was no Catholic church available to them. I have a few ancestors who were Catholics but married in Anglican churches in England because there were no Catholic churches in the area where they lived at the time of their marriage. With regard to reading banns, it wasn't just the Catholic churches that read banns, the Anglican churches also read out the banns for 3 weeks before you got married, however, if you didn't want to have the banns read for various reasons, you could apply for a licence / dispensation to the local bishop and get married the next day. This was quite common. You didn't have to prove anything either, there was no such thing as birth certs, baptismal certs, etc., they just had to go on the couple's word. It wasn't until 1910 (or around that time) that Catholic priests started demanding proof of baptism for bride and groom and they had to give the name of the parish where they were baptised and the priest would then write to that parish to confirm the baptism. Also, they wouldn't have had a civil marriage since civil marriages in England didn't start until 1837 so you won't be able to find them on the civil marriage register. The surname Treanor/Trainor/Traynor was very common in South County Down, and apart from the parishes you have already mentioned, there were a large number of Treanor families living throughout Newry parish. Unfortunately their records don't start until 1818 (and like all records, they are very patchy in the early years). I do not know of any Catholic parish record for Co. Down that started as early as 1800 (Kilbroney being the nearest in 1808/09). I hope this has been of some help. Regards Deirdre

Ellen. I am a descendent of John Trainor, Balykinlar in Lecale (Barony) Co Down where this name is very old. If you have not yet done so take a look at www.lecalehistory.co.uk Billy Stranney who responds often on this site is very knowledable. Some one born in circa 1807(28minus21) is not likely to be found in RC Catholic records, but, the records for the RC Church in Loughinsland, close by Ballykinlar Parish, did start in 1805. It is a long shot but if your Hugh came from Balykinlar or Tyrella parishes of Co. Down he might be there. Unfortunately Loughinisland Parish records are not easily available: access is in ireland only. As for Catholic marriages in London at the time I'd haazzard a guess that there were very few RC parishes at that time. The Religious Freedon Act giving Catholcis freedom of worhsip was not passed in England until 1828(Same date as your marriage!) See Wikiepedia. . Try going the ecclessiastical route for a listing of those which did exist. Try some key word searches with dates. I did a bit my self and found a virtual map of all existing parishes in London. Go to http:// www.rcdow.org.uk/vitual. It might take some effort but by a process of eklimination you might get a lead. The parishes are overlaid on a map of London central so it is not an endless list. As for the Canadian end, I'll ask around and see what might be available.Maybe some of my Canadian colleagues who know nation arecords better than I do could pitch in. Lastly check Ros Davies site for Trainor and variets and Also Shelock. There are some listed there in Rostrevor not far from Ballykinlar/Tyrella. The chance meeting of these two over a the purchase of wedding trousseau is a great story. Any chance she knew Hugh from ireland, ran a way to him him London, bought a trousseau and then they both eloped to Canada and then the US. Now that would be a great story! Regards, Owen Davey. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Elliott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh Treanor early settler of Dubuque Iowa > Thank you, Nan, for posting this. > > Hugh & Catherine are my gggrandparents. Hugh's tombstone in Key West, > Dubuque county, Iowa, says County Down. > They are the reason I reason I was first interested in genealogy (around > age > 10) but I have never broken through the brick wall on either surname, > TREANOR/TRENOR OR SHERLOCKE/SHERLOCK. > They met when Catherine was shopping for her trousseau at the draper store > in London where Hugh worked. > They eloped and Hugh Jr was born in England, so I suspect they were > married > in London. Have not yet found any record. KEW says I must know the > church > or place, that having the date is not enough. > They were Catholic and Catholic wedding choices were very limited in 1828; > there should, at least, be a civil record as I've been told, that was > required. > They immigrated to Canada (Toronto) in 1832 and on to Dubuque in 1837. It > is the period before 1837 that is a mystery. > Any suggestions would be most welcome!! > Thanks, > Ellen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Nan Brennan > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh Treanor early settler of Dubuque Iowa > > HUGH TREANOR > HUGH TREANOR, retired, 190 Julien avenue, Dubuque: was born in the > North of Ireland > Aug. 18, 1802; he grew up to manhood there and emigrated to America in > 1832; he came > to Iowa and located in Dubuque in June, 1837, and was one of the early > settlers; he > engaged in mining for several years, and then engaged in the grocery > trade; he > continued in mercantile business about a quarter of a century; he has > held the office > of City Alderman for eight years. He was united in marriage to Miss > Catharine > Sherlocke, a native of the North of Ireland, Sept. 16, 1828; she died > in 1860; they > had eight children, six of whom survive-Philomine, Catharine, Joseph, > Elizabeth, Mary > and Hugh. Mr. Treanor was actively identified with the State militia > at an early day, > and he was Captain of the third company of militia raised in Iowa; his > command was > called out and were under arms during the Missouri boundary-line war; > during the > Mexican war, eighty men of his company volunteered, and Mr. Treanor > was elected > Captain, but before going into the field orders came for them to > remain here, as their > services might be needed to assist in defense of the British line. > > Source The History of Dubuque County, Iowa > http://iagenweb.org/dubuque/hughtreanorbio.htm > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Owen, thanks for all your advice. Hugh was born 1802. Catherine about 1804-5. So maybe too early for the records you mention. I was advised that if they did have a Catholic ceremony in London, it probably was in a foreign embassy (for a primarily Catholic country such as Spain) where Catholic chapels were permitted. And that a civil ceremony was required. I have often wondered if they met in Co Down, eloped to England, stayed in London until 1832 then immigrated along with son Hugh to Canada. Over the years other lister's have suggested Kilbroney, Shields or Kilkeel parishes as likely sites for Treanor/Trenor/Trainer surnames. There are 2 printed references to Catherine's Irish origin. The one Nan listed today and another where it said she was from southern Ireland. It is only family folklore that puts her in London. Supposedly she was staying with relatives, a Lord & Lady Hyde to go to finishing school. Another relative says she was in convent school in Ireland. Also highly unlikely to be in operation at that time even in southern Ireland. She was to have married a 60 year old sea captain, friend of the family. This has always been suspect to me since - if I trust the 1850, 1860 census' - she was already 23-24 when they eloped. Little old for school. It makes sense to me since Catholic churches have long insisted on posting banns for weeks prior to marriage. How would they have gotten a priest to marry them without banns. An elopement leads one to suspect a non-religious ceremony. Hugh was involved in the Catholic church in Dubuque, so he was either Catholic or switched later. If her parents were close to someone in the navy or even a captain on a private ship, he wasn't likely to be Catholic, so perhaps she wasn't. They may have had their marriage blessed either later in Toronto or even when they got to Dubuque. The earliest Catholic church in Canada doesn't have records that far back. Their children: Hugh, Mary Ann, Elizabeth Ann, James, Joseph, Catherine Ann, Frances Philomina. Other curves that make me feel my family has gotten some wires crossed.... Hugh & Catherine's daughter, Elizabeth Treanor married John Loughlin. John was of Irish parents, Nicholas Loughlin and Catherine Hyde. And Hugh was working in a draper's shop near Hyde Park. Lord Hyde, Catherine Hyde, Hyde Park - too many 'Hyde's', I think. :-) I believe I have found Nicholas & Catherine's marriage at St George Church, Bloomsbury, Borough of Camden, London, England in 1834. Unfortunately, the records have been turned over to Kew which doesn't help me in the US. John was born in London in 1834. And the family is listed in the 1841 census. Catherine's brother William Hyde immigrated first to Iowa, Jackson county. A descendent of someone who married William's son believes this family came from Fermoy area, Co Cork with many others. If so then Catherine may be connected to Hyde Castle. And why my mom's family thought a Lord was in the picture. Just attached him to the wrong Catherine. I'll follow your suggestions and let you know if I find anything. Maybe I'll uncover that we are cousins. :-) Ellen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Owen Davey Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh Treanor early settler of Dubuque Iowa Ellen. I am a descendent of John Trainor, Balykinlar in Lecale (Barony) Co Down where this name is very old. If you have not yet done so take a look at www.lecalehistory.co.uk Billy Stranney who responds often on this site is very knowledable. Some one born in circa 1807(28minus21) is not likely to be found in RC Catholic records, but, the records for the RC Church in Loughinsland, close by Ballykinlar Parish, did start in 1805. It is a long shot but if your Hugh came from Balykinlar or Tyrella parishes of Co. Down he might be there. Unfortunately Loughinisland Parish records are not easily available: access is in ireland only. As for Catholic marriages in London at the time I'd haazzard a guess that there were very few RC parishes at that time. The Religious Freedon Act giving Catholcis freedom of worhsip was not passed in England until 1828(Same date as your marriage!) See Wikiepedia. . Try going the ecclessiastical route for a listing of those which did exist. Try some key word searches with dates. I did a bit my self and found a virtual map of all existing parishes in London. Go to http:// www.rcdow.org.uk/vitual. It might take some effort but by a process of eklimination you might get a lead. The parishes are overlaid on a map of London central so it is not an endless list. As for the Canadian end, I'll ask around and see what might be available.Maybe some of my Canadian colleagues who know nation arecords better than I do could pitch in. Lastly check Ros Davies site for Trainor and variets and Also Shelock. There are some listed there in Rostrevor not far from Ballykinlar/Tyrella. The chance meeting of these two over a the purchase of wedding trousseau is a great story. Any chance she knew Hugh from ireland, ran a way to him him London, bought a trousseau and then they both eloped to Canada and then the US. Now that would be a great story! Regards, Owen Davey. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Elliott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh Treanor early settler of Dubuque Iowa > Thank you, Nan, for posting this. > > Hugh & Catherine are my gggrandparents. Hugh's tombstone in Key West, > Dubuque county, Iowa, says County Down. > They are the reason I reason I was first interested in genealogy (around > age > 10) but I have never broken through the brick wall on either surname, > TREANOR/TRENOR OR SHERLOCKE/SHERLOCK. > They met when Catherine was shopping for her trousseau at the draper store > in London where Hugh worked. > They eloped and Hugh Jr was born in England, so I suspect they were > married > in London. Have not yet found any record. KEW says I must know the > church > or place, that having the date is not enough. > They were Catholic and Catholic wedding choices were very limited in 1828; > there should, at least, be a civil record as I've been told, that was > required. > They immigrated to Canada (Toronto) in 1832 and on to Dubuque in 1837. It > is the period before 1837 that is a mystery. > Any suggestions would be most welcome!! > Thanks, > Ellen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Nan Brennan > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh Treanor early settler of Dubuque Iowa > > HUGH TREANOR > HUGH TREANOR, retired, 190 Julien avenue, Dubuque: was born in the > North of Ireland > Aug. 18, 1802; he grew up to manhood there and emigrated to America in > 1832; he came > to Iowa and located in Dubuque in June, 1837, and was one of the early > settlers; he > engaged in mining for several years, and then engaged in the grocery > trade; he > continued in mercantile business about a quarter of a century; he has > held the office > of City Alderman for eight years. He was united in marriage to Miss > Catharine > Sherlocke, a native of the North of Ireland, Sept. 16, 1828; she died > in 1860; they > had eight children, six of whom survive-Philomine, Catharine, Joseph, > Elizabeth, Mary > and Hugh. Mr. Treanor was actively identified with the State militia > at an early day, > and he was Captain of the third company of militia raised in Iowa; his > command was > called out and were under arms during the Missouri boundary-line war; > during the > Mexican war, eighty men of his company volunteered, and Mr. Treanor > was elected > Captain, but before going into the field orders came for them to > remain here, as their > services might be needed to assist in defense of the British line. > > Source The History of Dubuque County, Iowa > http://iagenweb.org/dubuque/hughtreanorbio.htm > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Thank you, Nan, for posting this. Hugh & Catherine are my gggrandparents. Hugh's tombstone in Key West, Dubuque county, Iowa, says County Down. They are the reason I reason I was first interested in genealogy (around age 10) but I have never broken through the brick wall on either surname, TREANOR/TRENOR OR SHERLOCKE/SHERLOCK. They met when Catherine was shopping for her trousseau at the draper store in London where Hugh worked. They eloped and Hugh Jr was born in England, so I suspect they were married in London. Have not yet found any record. KEW says I must know the church or place, that having the date is not enough. They were Catholic and Catholic wedding choices were very limited in 1828; there should, at least, be a civil record as I've been told, that was required. They immigrated to Canada (Toronto) in 1832 and on to Dubuque in 1837. It is the period before 1837 that is a mystery. Any suggestions would be most welcome!! Thanks, Ellen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nan Brennan Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Hugh Treanor early settler of Dubuque Iowa HUGH TREANOR HUGH TREANOR, retired, 190 Julien avenue, Dubuque: was born in the North of Ireland Aug. 18, 1802; he grew up to manhood there and emigrated to America in 1832; he came to Iowa and located in Dubuque in June, 1837, and was one of the early settlers; he engaged in mining for several years, and then engaged in the grocery trade; he continued in mercantile business about a quarter of a century; he has held the office of City Alderman for eight years. He was united in marriage to Miss Catharine Sherlocke, a native of the North of Ireland, Sept. 16, 1828; she died in 1860; they had eight children, six of whom survive-Philomine, Catharine, Joseph, Elizabeth, Mary and Hugh. Mr. Treanor was actively identified with the State militia at an early day, and he was Captain of the third company of militia raised in Iowa; his command was called out and were under arms during the Missouri boundary-line war; during the Mexican war, eighty men of his company volunteered, and Mr. Treanor was elected Captain, but before going into the field orders came for them to remain here, as their services might be needed to assist in defense of the British line. Source The History of Dubuque County, Iowa http://iagenweb.org/dubuque/hughtreanorbio.htm ---------------------------------------- 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your questions! ---------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HUGH TREANOR HUGH TREANOR, retired, 190 Julien avenue, Dubuque: was born in the North of Ireland Aug. 18, 1802; he grew up to manhood there and emigrated to America in 1832; he came to Iowa and located in Dubuque in June, 1837, and was one of the early settlers; he engaged in mining for several years, and then engaged in the grocery trade; he continued in mercantile business about a quarter of a century; he has held the office of City Alderman for eight years. He was united in marriage to Miss Catharine Sherlocke, a native of the North of Ireland, Sept. 16, 1828; she died in 1860; they had eight children, six of whom survive-Philomine, Catharine, Joseph, Elizabeth, Mary and Hugh. Mr. Treanor was actively identified with the State militia at an early day, and he was Captain of the third company of militia raised in Iowa; his command was called out and were under arms during the Missouri boundary-line war; during the Mexican war, eighty men of his company volunteered, and Mr. Treanor was elected Captain, but before going into the field orders came for them to remain here, as their services might be needed to assist in defense of the British line. Source The History of Dubuque County, Iowa http://iagenweb.org/dubuque/hughtreanorbio.htm

Hi all, Does anyone know if the following book is for sale anywhere? Also anyone who already owns or has seen a volume in this series....do they give good information? Gravestone Inscriptions Co. Down, Vol. 21, Old Families of Newry & District: from Gravestone Inscriptions, Wills and biographical Notes. Edited by R.S.J. Clarke. Belfast: Ulster Historical Foundation (TRL/929.50941 C47) Includes: Clonlea Graveyard; Lisserboy Graveyard; Newry, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland Graveyard; Newry, St. Mary's Church of Ireland Church; Newry, Old Meeting House Green; Newry, Presbyterian Graveyard; Newry, St. Mary's Roman Catholic Graveyard; Ouley Graveyard; Ryans Presbyterian Graveyard; Savalmore Graveyard; Sheeptown Roman Catholic Graveyard; Shinn Roman Catholic Graveyard; Templegowran Graveyard; Appendix: Summary Guide to Documentary sources for Newry (compiled by Dr. Brian Trainor) Cheers, Kate

While browsing thought Google Books I ran across this book. Thought some others might be interested. Written in 1846, I loved the pictures and there in lots of information and history of Northern Ireland. http://books.google.com/books?id=9x4wAAAAMAAJ -- E l a i n e J. T h e O t h e r E l a i n e S u m n e r, W as h i n g t o n U S A