Hi Bunny Griffiths has a Matthew Ferin at Drummiller in Aghaderg Parish. I am looking for a Michael Feron so far without much luck. regards Dan Hardie On Saturday, March 14, 2009, at 01:39 PM, Bunny Monaco wrote: > > > I am looking for any information regarding Hugh Mc Manus, a draper, & > his wife, Roseanne Fearon, a schoolteacher from Knocknagore. They were > married at St. Coleman's R.C. chapel in Banbridge on 22 Aug 1876. > Roseanne's father was Matthew Fearon & he was a bleacher. They had 2 > children born in Laurencetown: Annie Elizabeth (16 Jul 1877) & > Patrick (22 Aug 1879). Griffith's Valuation for Parish of Tullyish > lists a Matthew Ferin living in Laurencetown & a Daniel Ferin living > in Knocknagore. > > > > > Bunny > > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for everything you have done for us.  The information you have found and posted has helped so many of us find information that we otherwise would never have had.  We will miss you, but know you have found someone in whom you have great faith to further the cause. We will miss you.  I hope your retirement brings you peace and pleasure. Mary --- On Mon, 3/16/09, the_researcher <[email protected]> wrote: From: the_researcher <[email protected]> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Retireing To: [email protected] Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:27 AM After 10 years on the genealogy lists i am calling it a day, from the 6th. April, Margaret Whitmore will be updating and taking over the website known as Raymonds countydown website, the first update from Margaret will be on the 6th April,then the website will be updated on a regular basis, but as from today i retire, later on tonight i will describe how the website started, Raymond ---------------------------------------- 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your questions! ---------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try Ballymacromwell Townland which is in Killyleagh Civil Parish. You can see the location of Killyleagh (but unfortunately not Ballymacromwell - as yet) in my Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> (now including many CWGC cemeteries around the world with NZ service burials) * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History <http://family.kiwicelts.com> Geoff Carse wrote: > James Carse lived in Carrigullan near Killinchy and leased land from Lord > Dufferin in Barrymacromell on lease dated 16 Apr 1813. the lease was based > on the lives of James Carse and William Carse > > I think this may be the same James that leased 3 properties in Currigullan > in 1783 and the William could be his son but no proof but if so > Barrymacromell may be near Currigullan > > Where O where is Barrymacromell? > > Geoff Carse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > > > >> Hi Michelle. >> Apologies for the delay in my reply. >> (1) I am unaware of Bernard Davey married Mary Rice. My records for BMD in >> the Loughinisland parish records only begin in 1812. I did not know that >> individual >> records began earlier than that. I am grateful for this new information. >> (2)In the 1659 Census of Ireland Loughinisland is called "Lochon Iland" >> (3) Brtish military records are held at the UK PRO at Kew, London. The PRO >> may have changes names recently but that is what I know it as. Most of the >> regimental records with which I am familair are held under seriesW/O. Go >> on >> line to the PRO If you google British Miliatry Regiments, 74th regt or >> 74th >> foot you will get hits which may be helpful. The same for The Rifle >> Brigade. >> These units have such a history that they often have regimental >> historians. >> I'll be surprised if you are unable to work up some useful leads. You >> should >> be looking for the Muster Rolls for these regiments for the dates your >> ancestor served in them. If you ever need it, I have the names of two >> military researchers in London. They are ex-miltary and work for a small >> per-diem. Basically their bus fare and lunch money. Having said all of the >> above and based on my own research there, I doubt that you will ever get >> more than you have from the old book you noted. What a find! >> (4) I checked my index of death records for Co. Down from 1864 to the >> early >> 1900s.I created this index to give me an idea of people who B/M data >> predated the establishment of local RC parish rtegister. I have references >> for the deaths of a couple of Bernard Baveys but none who were born in >> 1810. >> To me that means two things. I missed them, or they died before the >> enactment 1864 Civil Registration Act which required that such information >> be kept. >> (5) As far as I am aware, the only copy of the Loghinisland RC parish >> record >> in in the National Library, Dublin. The original is held locally, probably >> under tight access. I read the Dublin copy on 7 Feb 1989 during a visit. >> Dioces: Down and Connor >> Parish: Loughinisland >> Baptisms: 1805-24 Oct 1852 >> Marriages: 1 Nov 1805-23 Oct 1852 >> Dearhs: 10 Nov 1805-5 Oct 1852. >> Just a caution. The very early years of the register consist of a >> nararative >> record of the priests visits locally. He says visited so and so's house >> and >> performed various clerical functions: confession etc. if this is important >> to you try getting smeone to visit the NL in Dublin. My notes ais that I >> was >> looking at microflim P 5477. >> I will give some more thought to your e-mail. there are nuggets for me to >> mine from what you have written. Great research. >> Regards >> Owen Davey >> >> --- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:58 AM >> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rices >> >> >> >>> Hi Owen >>> Just trying to go back on notes. Did you have Mary Rice born 08.04.1810 >>> Loughinisland, who married Bernard Davy on 2.11.1835. He was born c1810 >>> in Ballynahinch. Marr Loughinisland RC Church, L,CD, Ireland >>> >>> I received a lot of information from Bridget Brennan's Rices and noted >>> this Davy. You had already give me others who married Rices too. >>> >>> >>> With regard to the Ballynahinch and Loughinisland query and my Rices - I >>> can only say that I found my info re this in a book in our library here >>> in Western Australia. The book was titled: >>> The Veterans: A History of the Enrolled Pensioner Force in Western >>> Australia, 1850-1880. >>> Besides noting Matthew's (my gt gt grandfather) regiment and pay, his >>> arrival in WA, his land allocation, pension and death and obit, it also >>> noted his military history. Now I don't know if I would get more from >>> records and I may try but not too sure where to go for it. >>> >>> It says born Lonhan Islands, Ballynahinch, Co Down. I have not been >>> able to find a Lonhan Islands anywhere. It has enlisted 74th Regt >>> 20.10.1834 aged 18 years. His death cert in 1883 states he was 70 years >>> (1813). His baptism state was 7.5.1818. Possibly was born 1816, >>> baptised 1818 and who knows if death age was correct. Father John was >>> noted on his marriage cert. Matthew was transferred to 1st Battn, Rifle >>> Brigade for the purpose of serving with an elder brother. If I knew his >>> elder brother, I could tie him up with some of the Rice info I have >>> found. All I know was that he was baptised in Loughinisland RC Church >>> from the website, no actual records sited. The Ballynahinch info was >>> from this book. >>> >>> Matthew serviced 21 years including Malta and Ionian Islands and Cape of >>> Good Hope. I thought initially that Lonhan Islands may be a mistake for >>> Ionian Islands until I found out where they were. Even thought he was >>> born overseas and then went back home to register the birth but don't >>> think so. I feel it was supposed to be Loughinisland not Lonhan Island. >>> Matthew served Kaffir War of 1846-47 and again at Cape 2 Jan 1852 to 9 >>> Nov 1853 including Kaffir War of that period. He was discharged >>> 27.10.1855. This book even gives his hair and eye colour. It was a >>> great resource but now I am trying to piece the family back in County >>> Down. >>> >>> I would appreciate knowing where I go to find his military records and >>> finding out who this elder brother is. It could be John Rice (1806), >>> William Rice (1808) or James Rice (1810) as they are the names of >>> possible siblings that were also baptised at Loughinisland RC Church >>> with father John. All with no mother mentioned. >>> >>> Sorry a bit long guys, I have found it fascinating filling in the gaps >>> and have still much more to do. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Michelle (nee Rice) >>> Western Australia >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________________ >>> This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is >>> intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). >>> You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior >>> consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). >>> If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return >>> mail, >>> delete it from your system and destroy all copies. >>> DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in >>> this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your >>> questions! >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Searchable list archive at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 >> 20:42:00 >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your >> questions! >> ---------------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: >> 17/02/2009 7:07 AM >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Gord - Thank you! Very helpful. Looks like young Rev. Graham got his flock back on the straight path. Charles O'Neill Gord Lindsay wrote: > Charles, > > My understanding of Arianism in County Down in the 1830s is that it > was a departure from the strict precepts of the Presbyterian church. > Alexander Hanna in his little book "These Three Hundred and Forty > Years of Witness. An Historical Outline of Dundonald Presbyterian > Congregation 1645-1985 says the following referring to Rev. William > Graham who had recently taken over as minister from Rev Wm. Finlay > who he said "had strong unitarian views": > > "On returning to Belfast Mr Graham was friendly with Dr. Cooke and > his family and it was at this time that he was called to be Minister > of Dundonald congregation. Immediately following his ordination on > the 18th August 1835, he retreated to a cottage in North Antrim for > a fortnight, and there, with his Bible and Greek Testament, he spent > these days in prayer and meditation, dedicating himself anew to God > for the task that lay before him. > > On taking up his duties in Dundonald, he found the congregation had > lapsed into Arianism and indifference. Matters were in a low and > discouraging condition and many had left the Church, while a > considerable number of others walked over the hills to (Second) > Holywood Presbyterian Church at Shore Street. The young pastor of > twenty five years of age was full of faith and zeal. He preached > twice on Sundays in the old meeting house and on Sunday evenings > preached at meetings on the outskirts of the old parish boundary. One > such place may have been Ballysallagh National School. In the summer > he preached in the open·air and in the winter in barns and school > houses. Mr. Graham was made welcome in the homesteads and cottages of > his people, whom he often visited. The result of his first four years > of ministry at Dundonald was that the scattered members returned, > others from a distance joined the Church until the old Church was > filled to overflowing. More important still, spiritual life showed > itself in conviction, conversion; prayer, praise and missionary > interest. " > > Hope this helps a bit. > > Gord > > On 15-Mar-09, at 1:03 PM, Charles O'Neill wrote: > >> In doing some background reading related to my County Down ancestors, >> I've been looking through Vol. 12 of the O.S. Memoirs of Ireland, >> "Parishes of County Down III - 1833-8." I've come across a number of >> mentions of the "Arian" religion. > > >

Charles, My understanding of Arianism in County Down in the 1830s is that it was a departure from the strict precepts of the Presbyterian church. Alexander Hanna in his little book "These Three Hundred and Forty Years of Witness. An Historical Outline of Dundonald Presbyterian Congregation 1645-1985 says the following referring to Rev. William Graham who had recently taken over as minister from Rev Wm. Finlay who he said "had strong unitarian views": "On returning to Belfast Mr Graham was friendly with Dr. Cooke and his family and it was at this time that he was called to be Minister of Dundonald congregation. Immediately following his ordination on the 18th August 1835, he retreated to a cottage in North Antrim for a fortnight, and there, with his Bible and Greek Testament, he spent these days in prayer and meditation, dedicating himself anew to God for the task that lay before him. On taking up his duties in Dundonald, he found the congregation had lapsed into Arianism and indifference. Matters were in a low and discouraging condition and many had left the Church, while a considerable number of others walked over the hills to (Second) Holywood Presbyterian Church at Shore Street. The young pastor of twenty five years of age was full of faith and zeal. He preached twice on Sundays in the old meeting house and on Sunday evenings preached at meetings on the outskirts of the old parish boundary. One such place may have been Ballysallagh National School. In the summer he preached in the open·air and in the winter in barns and school houses. Mr. Graham was made welcome in the homesteads and cottages of his people, whom he often visited. The result of his first four years of ministry at Dundonald was that the scattered members returned, others from a distance joined the Church until the old Church was filled to overflowing. More important still, spiritual life showed itself in conviction, conversion; prayer, praise and missionary interest. " Hope this helps a bit. Gord On 15-Mar-09, at 1:03 PM, Charles O'Neill wrote: > In doing some background reading related to my County Down ancestors, > I've been looking through Vol. 12 of the O.S. Memoirs of Ireland, > "Parishes of County Down III - 1833-8." I've come across a number of > mentions of the "Arian" religion.

I am also wondering where I might have luck with searches for marriages in NS in the 1840's (mid to later). I cannot find the couple's childrens marriages from above. I know at least one of them ended up in Boston, MA in 1850, married by then. But I have not found marriage info in Massachusetts for him. thanks, christy

Hello, Can someone tell me how to go about ordering a marriage record of my ancestors who were married at Magheralin Parish in Ireland on March 14, 1816. The document stating this was an "actual" filmed church entry not a member submitted entry according to the Latter Day Saints website. Their names were Thomas Moffat and Jane Pickering. I also wondered what information might be on the actual record. Thanks much Christy

In doing some background reading related to my County Down ancestors, I've been looking through Vol. 12 of the O.S. Memoirs of Ireland, "Parishes of County Down III - 1833-8." I've come across a number of mentions of the "Arian" religion. For example, in describing the churches in Dromore, the author describes the Cathedral Church (Church of Ireland), the Roman Catholic Chapel, the Methodist Meeting House, the Presbyterian Meeting House - and the "Arian Meeting House." The average attendance of each of those churches is 500, except for the Presbyterian Church, which is 700. So the Arian Meeting House seems to have as many congregants as most of the other churches in town. The same hold true for other towns in County Down. .. And.. the Arian minister seems to be VERY well paid- 160 pounds p.a., compared with 32 pounds for the Methodist minister and 50 pounds for the Catholic priest. Can anyone help me figure out what denomination is represented at the Arian Meeting House? I know that "Arianism," which purported that Christ was not divine, was denounced as heresy by the Catholic Church at the Council of Nicea in 325. Is this Ulster congregation, in the 1830s, practicing a form of the ancient Arianism? It seems to be, perhaps, a branch of Presbyterianism. ????? (I've aslo posted this to the scotch-irish group.) Charles O'Neill

James Carse lived in Carrigullan near Killinchy and leased land from Lord Dufferin in Barrymacromell on lease dated 16 Apr 1813. the lease was based on the lives of James Carse and William Carse I think this may be the same James that leased 3 properties in Currigullan in 1783 and the William could be his son but no proof but if so Barrymacromell may be near Currigullan Where O where is Barrymacromell? Geoff Carse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > Hi Michelle. > Apologies for the delay in my reply. > (1) I am unaware of Bernard Davey married Mary Rice. My records for BMD in > the Loughinisland parish records only begin in 1812. I did not know that > individual > records began earlier than that. I am grateful for this new information. > (2)In the 1659 Census of Ireland Loughinisland is called "Lochon Iland" > (3) Brtish military records are held at the UK PRO at Kew, London. The PRO > may have changes names recently but that is what I know it as. Most of the > regimental records with which I am familair are held under seriesW/O. Go > on > line to the PRO If you google British Miliatry Regiments, 74th regt or > 74th > foot you will get hits which may be helpful. The same for The Rifle > Brigade. > These units have such a history that they often have regimental > historians. > I'll be surprised if you are unable to work up some useful leads. You > should > be looking for the Muster Rolls for these regiments for the dates your > ancestor served in them. If you ever need it, I have the names of two > military researchers in London. They are ex-miltary and work for a small > per-diem. Basically their bus fare and lunch money. Having said all of the > above and based on my own research there, I doubt that you will ever get > more than you have from the old book you noted. What a find! > (4) I checked my index of death records for Co. Down from 1864 to the > early > 1900s.I created this index to give me an idea of people who B/M data > predated the establishment of local RC parish rtegister. I have references > for the deaths of a couple of Bernard Baveys but none who were born in > 1810. > To me that means two things. I missed them, or they died before the > enactment 1864 Civil Registration Act which required that such information > be kept. > (5) As far as I am aware, the only copy of the Loghinisland RC parish > record > in in the National Library, Dublin. The original is held locally, probably > under tight access. I read the Dublin copy on 7 Feb 1989 during a visit. > Dioces: Down and Connor > Parish: Loughinisland > Baptisms: 1805-24 Oct 1852 > Marriages: 1 Nov 1805-23 Oct 1852 > Dearhs: 10 Nov 1805-5 Oct 1852. > Just a caution. The very early years of the register consist of a > nararative > record of the priests visits locally. He says visited so and so's house > and > performed various clerical functions: confession etc. if this is important > to you try getting smeone to visit the NL in Dublin. My notes ais that I > was > looking at microflim P 5477. > I will give some more thought to your e-mail. there are nuggets for me to > mine from what you have written. Great research. > Regards > Owen Davey > > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:58 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > > >> >> >> Hi Owen >> Just trying to go back on notes. Did you have Mary Rice born 08.04.1810 >> Loughinisland, who married Bernard Davy on 2.11.1835. He was born c1810 >> in Ballynahinch. Marr Loughinisland RC Church, L,CD, Ireland >> >> I received a lot of information from Bridget Brennan's Rices and noted >> this Davy. You had already give me others who married Rices too. >> >> >> With regard to the Ballynahinch and Loughinisland query and my Rices - I >> can only say that I found my info re this in a book in our library here >> in Western Australia. The book was titled: >> The Veterans: A History of the Enrolled Pensioner Force in Western >> Australia, 1850-1880. >> Besides noting Matthew's (my gt gt grandfather) regiment and pay, his >> arrival in WA, his land allocation, pension and death and obit, it also >> noted his military history. Now I don't know if I would get more from >> records and I may try but not too sure where to go for it. >> >> It says born Lonhan Islands, Ballynahinch, Co Down. I have not been >> able to find a Lonhan Islands anywhere. It has enlisted 74th Regt >> 20.10.1834 aged 18 years. His death cert in 1883 states he was 70 years >> (1813). His baptism state was 7.5.1818. Possibly was born 1816, >> baptised 1818 and who knows if death age was correct. Father John was >> noted on his marriage cert. Matthew was transferred to 1st Battn, Rifle >> Brigade for the purpose of serving with an elder brother. If I knew his >> elder brother, I could tie him up with some of the Rice info I have >> found. All I know was that he was baptised in Loughinisland RC Church >> from the website, no actual records sited. The Ballynahinch info was >> from this book. >> >> Matthew serviced 21 years including Malta and Ionian Islands and Cape of >> Good Hope. I thought initially that Lonhan Islands may be a mistake for >> Ionian Islands until I found out where they were. Even thought he was >> born overseas and then went back home to register the birth but don't >> think so. I feel it was supposed to be Loughinisland not Lonhan Island. >> Matthew served Kaffir War of 1846-47 and again at Cape 2 Jan 1852 to 9 >> Nov 1853 including Kaffir War of that period. He was discharged >> 27.10.1855. This book even gives his hair and eye colour. It was a >> great resource but now I am trying to piece the family back in County >> Down. >> >> I would appreciate knowing where I go to find his military records and >> finding out who this elder brother is. It could be John Rice (1806), >> William Rice (1808) or James Rice (1810) as they are the names of >> possible siblings that were also baptised at Loughinisland RC Church >> with father John. All with no mother mentioned. >> >> Sorry a bit long guys, I have found it fascinating filling in the gaps >> and have still much more to do. >> >> Cheers >> Michelle (nee Rice) >> Western Australia >> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is >> intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). >> You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior >> consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). >> If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return >> mail, >> delete it from your system and destroy all copies. >> DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in >> this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your >> questions! >> ---------------------------------------- >> Searchable list archive at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 > 20:42:00 > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: > 17/02/2009 7:07 AM > >

Hi Listers, I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could help. I have an ancestor Henry Gordon Farrer who was Chief Intelligence Officer at Ballykinlar Internment Camp during the Irish/English troubles and later made Chief Intelligence Officer for Northern Ireland under Major-General Solly Flood. Sorry I have no timeline and this is what I am trying to find out and any military records. Don;t know if I am on the right list. Thanks, Maureen in Melbourne Australia

Would anyone have further genealogical information about the following: Peterborough County, Ontario, Canada 1884 Robert James Short, 25, residence Warsaw ON, , born Down Ireland, plasterer, parents James Short and Isabella McAdam to Mary Ann Dawkins, 23, place of birth Warsaw, ON, parents James Dawkins and Catherine Darling, marriage in Peterborough York County, Ontario, Canada 1904 Hugh Short, 27, born Belfast Ireland, labourer, parents William Short and Catherine Simpson to Maud Skinner, 22, Paisley, Ontario, parents, George Skinner and Eliza Garrow, marriage in Toronto 1872 William Short, full age. bachelor, gas maker, Belfast, son of Robert Short, labourer, to Catherine Simpson, full age, spinster, Belfast, daughter John Simpson, labourer, Witnesses: John Mitchell, Rebecca Mitchell, at Belfast in the Parish of Shankhill, County Antrim, Saint Enock's Presbyterian Church by license. Margaret Gordon

Hi Michelle. Apologies for the delay in my reply. (1) I am unaware of Bernard Davey married Mary Rice. My records for BMD in the Loughinisland parish records only begin in 1812. I did not know that individual records began earlier than that. I am grateful for this new information. (2)In the 1659 Census of Ireland Loughinisland is called "Lochon Iland" (3) Brtish military records are held at the UK PRO at Kew, London. The PRO may have changes names recently but that is what I know it as. Most of the regimental records with which I am familair are held under seriesW/O. Go on line to the PRO If you google British Miliatry Regiments, 74th regt or 74th foot you will get hits which may be helpful. The same for The Rifle Brigade. These units have such a history that they often have regimental historians. I'll be surprised if you are unable to work up some useful leads. You should be looking for the Muster Rolls for these regiments for the dates your ancestor served in them. If you ever need it, I have the names of two military researchers in London. They are ex-miltary and work for a small per-diem. Basically their bus fare and lunch money. Having said all of the above and based on my own research there, I doubt that you will ever get more than you have from the old book you noted. What a find! (4) I checked my index of death records for Co. Down from 1864 to the early 1900s.I created this index to give me an idea of people who B/M data predated the establishment of local RC parish rtegister. I have references for the deaths of a couple of Bernard Baveys but none who were born in 1810. To me that means two things. I missed them, or they died before the enactment 1864 Civil Registration Act which required that such information be kept. (5) As far as I am aware, the only copy of the Loghinisland RC parish record in in the National Library, Dublin. The original is held locally, probably under tight access. I read the Dublin copy on 7 Feb 1989 during a visit. Dioces: Down and Connor Parish: Loughinisland Baptisms: 1805-24 Oct 1852 Marriages: 1 Nov 1805-23 Oct 1852 Dearhs: 10 Nov 1805-5 Oct 1852. Just a caution. The very early years of the register consist of a nararative record of the priests visits locally. He says visited so and so's house and performed various clerical functions: confession etc. if this is important to you try getting smeone to visit the NL in Dublin. My notes ais that I was looking at microflim P 5477. I will give some more thought to your e-mail. there are nuggets for me to mine from what you have written. Great research. Regards Owen Davey --- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:58 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Rices > > > Hi Owen > Just trying to go back on notes. Did you have Mary Rice born 08.04.1810 > Loughinisland, who married Bernard Davy on 2.11.1835. He was born c1810 > in Ballynahinch. Marr Loughinisland RC Church, L,CD, Ireland > > I received a lot of information from Bridget Brennan's Rices and noted > this Davy. You had already give me others who married Rices too. > > > With regard to the Ballynahinch and Loughinisland query and my Rices - I > can only say that I found my info re this in a book in our library here > in Western Australia. The book was titled: > The Veterans: A History of the Enrolled Pensioner Force in Western > Australia, 1850-1880. > Besides noting Matthew's (my gt gt grandfather) regiment and pay, his > arrival in WA, his land allocation, pension and death and obit, it also > noted his military history. Now I don't know if I would get more from > records and I may try but not too sure where to go for it. > > It says born Lonhan Islands, Ballynahinch, Co Down. I have not been > able to find a Lonhan Islands anywhere. It has enlisted 74th Regt > 20.10.1834 aged 18 years. His death cert in 1883 states he was 70 years > (1813). His baptism state was 7.5.1818. Possibly was born 1816, > baptised 1818 and who knows if death age was correct. Father John was > noted on his marriage cert. Matthew was transferred to 1st Battn, Rifle > Brigade for the purpose of serving with an elder brother. If I knew his > elder brother, I could tie him up with some of the Rice info I have > found. All I know was that he was baptised in Loughinisland RC Church > from the website, no actual records sited. The Ballynahinch info was > from this book. > > Matthew serviced 21 years including Malta and Ionian Islands and Cape of > Good Hope. I thought initially that Lonhan Islands may be a mistake for > Ionian Islands until I found out where they were. Even thought he was > born overseas and then went back home to register the birth but don't > think so. I feel it was supposed to be Loughinisland not Lonhan Island. > Matthew served Kaffir War of 1846-47 and again at Cape 2 Jan 1852 to 9 > Nov 1853 including Kaffir War of that period. He was discharged > 27.10.1855. This book even gives his hair and eye colour. It was a > great resource but now I am trying to piece the family back in County > Down. > > I would appreciate knowing where I go to find his military records and > finding out who this elder brother is. It could be John Rice (1806), > William Rice (1808) or James Rice (1810) as they are the names of > possible siblings that were also baptised at Loughinisland RC Church > with father John. All with no mother mentioned. > > Sorry a bit long guys, I have found it fascinating filling in the gaps > and have still much more to do. > > Cheers > Michelle (nee Rice) > Western Australia > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > This message may contain privileged and confidential information and is > intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). > You must not disclose this communication to anyone without the prior > consent of the Department for Communities(DFC). > If you have received this email in error, please notify us by return mail, > delete it from your system and destroy all copies. > DFC has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in > this email but does not warrant that it is error or omission free. > > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Thanks again to Nan Brennan for posting bios of Irish people who emigrated to the state of Iowa, USA. Some of you may maintain Irish County Websites or special projects. I strongly encourage you to link your website to the Iowa Biographies Project. Copying with credits left in place is permissable, but since the biographies project is continuously growing, with new bios added daily, it is best to just link to the project and let visitors search archives and find their own people. Thanks to all for all you do. donkelly, NC, IGP ----- Original Message ----- From: Nan Brennan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Robert Stanfield Co Down to Iowa Thanks to Marion John Rice for the transcription to the Iowa Biographies Project Polk County Iowa DOUGLAS TOWNSHIP. STANFIELD, ROBERT-Farmer and stock-raiser, section 30, P. O. Greenwood. Was born in County Down, Ireland, on March 17, 1829, and was there raised to manhood. He followed the occupation of a farmer and weaver during his residence in that country, and in 1867 immigrated to the United States, first settling in Cayuga county, Ohio. He resided there until 1871, when he came to this county. He was married April 24, 1861, to Miss Nancy Mercer, of Ireland. They have five children living William, Mary, Martha, Margaret and Nellie. They have lost three. He now owns fifty acres of land, and is numbered among the successful farmers of Polk county. SHACKELFORD, J. H.-Farmer and stock-raiser, section 1, P. O. Elkhart. Born at Cincinnati, Ohio, August 5, 1837. Was raised in Ohio county, Indiana, until thirteen years of age, then moved with his parents to Ripley county, and was there raised to manhood. He early learned the trade of gunsmith, and followed that business until 1860. He enlisted July 15, 1861, in company D, Thirteenth Indiana infantry. Participated in the battles of Pea Ridge, Port Gibson, Champion's Hill, Black River, siege of Vicksburg, and others. He was wounded in the battle of Cedar Creek, Virginia, and sent to Baltimore Hospital, where he remained about six weeks, when he was removed to Hoddington Hospital, Philadelphia. He was afterward transferred to Camp Morton, Indiana, where he remained until the close of the war. Mustered out Sept. 28,1865. He was married June 10, 1864, to Miss Mahala Williamson, of Ripley county, Indiana. They have eight children: Katie E. (born August 22, 1866), Sarah F. (born October 24, 1867), Alpheus V. (born November 24, 1868), Charles H. (born October 19, 1869), John E. (born June 22, 1871), Lula (born November 7, 1875), Warren H. (born September 7, 1877) and Emma (born January 22, 1879. ---------------------------------------- 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your questions! ---------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maureen. You are on the right list. I hope someone can help your inquiry. The camp is/was just outside Downpatrick. I do not know about military records but there are sites dedicated to the Irish prisoners held in custody. I'll be very surprised if someone here does not know where to direct you. Owen Davey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Farrer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Ballykinlar Internment Camp > Hi Listers, > > I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could help. I have > an ancestor Henry Gordon Farrer who was Chief Intelligence Officer at > Ballykinlar Internment Camp during the Irish/English troubles and > later made Chief Intelligence Officer for Northern Ireland under > Major-General Solly Flood. Sorry I have no timeline and this is what I > am trying to find out and any military records. > Don;t know if I am on the right list. > > Thanks, > Maureen in Melbourne Australia > ---------------------------------------- > 479 list members as of 1 Mar 2009 - this is a good place to ask your > questions! > ---------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00

Iowa Biographies Project William Campbell, a resident of Burlington, Iowa, was born in Coleraine County Down, Ireland, April 9, 1825, of Scotch parentage. When but a small child, his parents removed to Ayrshire, Scotland, and when fourteen years of age he went to Yorkshire, England, apprenticed to a gardener, and remained nine years. After which he moved to Sheffield, and worked three years for George Westenholm, the great cutlery manufacturer. Mr. Campbell became acquainted with and married Miss Mary Littlewood, a daughter of Joseph and Ann Littlewood, who were the parents of the following children: Ann, who married William Robinson, a resident of Derbyshire, England; Mary, the honored wife of our subject; Emily, wife of George Simmons, of Nottingham, England; Ruth, wife of a Mr. Drabble, of Yorkshire; Jane, who died in England; Paul Samuel, also a resident of Yorkshire; Joseph and George, both of England. Joseph Littlewood died in Derbyshire, England in 1866; his wife is still living at the age of ninety. They were reared in the Episcopal Church, and later became members of that body. After leaving Sheffield, Mr. Campbell went into a nursery at London, where he remained three months, and then removed to Norfolk, and remained there until 1854, when he left England, crossed the Atlantic and landed in the United States, first locating in Salt Lake City. Not being favorably disposed toward the modes and customs of the people and Church, he went to Ogden City, and in 1857 left Utah, removing to Platte County, Mo., becoming a resident of Burlington in 1866, since which time he has made it his home. Politically, he is a Republican, but in elections of the city or county votes for the man he thinks will best fill the position. Mr. Campbell and his estimable wife are honest, upright people, and are highly respected for their good qualities.

Iowa Biographies Project Bryce Campbell, one of the highly esteemed pioneers of Burlington, Iowa, was born in Dunduff, Ayrshire, Scotland, March 31, 1819, and is a son of John Campbell, who was born in Ayrshire in 1794. His mother, Jean (Girvan) Campbell, was born in 1796. Their union was celebrated July 27, 1814, and six children were born to them: Isabelle, born April 22, 1815, died Nov. 18, 1816; John, born Oct. 18, 1816, became the husband of Margaret Gray, by whom he had eight children, all of whom are deceased; Bryce, of this sketch; Margaret G., born in Drumcoree, Ireland, July 8, 1822, and died in Burlington, Sept. 23, 1886; Mary, born in County Down, Dec. 17, 1823, became the wife of James Allen, and died at Burns Cottage, Alloway, Scotland, June 24, 1665 (sic); William, born April 9, 1825, and resides in Burlington. About the year 1822, John Campbell removed to Ireland, five years later again became a resident of Scotland, and in 1839 removed to Yorkshire, England, where died Oct. 18, 1843. Soon after his death, Mrs. Campbell returned to Scotland, where she died in 1871. They were lifelong Presbyterians, upright, honorable people, and highly respected. Bryce Campbell, our subject, was educated in his native country, and at the age of sixteen was apprenticed to learn the trade of carpenter and joiner, serving four years. For the first three and a half years of his apprenticeship he received only his board, and for the last six months received, in addition, six shillings per week. On the 19th of October, 1848, at the Parish Church, in the Parish of Leeds, County of York, Mr. Campbell wedded Miss Jane Rowling, who was born March 9, 1821, in that parish. By this union there were three children: Joseph R., of Washington, Iowa; Jane, wife of John Gillis, of Burlington; and Maggie, who died in infancy. The death of Mrs. Campbell occurred Nov. 26, 1857. She was reared a Methodist, but afterward, with her husband, joined the Mormons. In 1853 Mr. Campbell left England, landed at New Orleans, and by steamer came to Keokuk, where he joined a party of Mormons, and went to Salt Lake City. As there were not enough teams for all on this journey, none but the women and children were allowed to ride, the men having to make their way on foot, wading the streams, and many times having to carry their wives across on their backs, the water being waist deep. After arriving in Salt Lake City, Mr. Campbell built a house, but when the leaders wanted him to deed it to the Church and also marry several wives, he, considering this an imposition, sold his property at a great sacrifice, and in 1857 came to Burlington, where he has since followed his trade. Mr. Campbell's second union was formed with Mrs. Gent, widow of Henry Gent, who by her first union had two children-- Edgar, of Wisconsin, and Byron, of Burlington. By this second union there is one child, Marian, wife of Willis A. Pruden, of this city. In politics Mr. Campbell is a Republican. Socially, he is an Odd Fellow, becoming a member of the Loyal Farmers' M. U. Lodge, No. 842, I. O. O. F. of England, in 1840, now belonging to Washington Lodge, No. 1; and is also a member of the Knights of Pythias, Friendship Lodge, No. 11, of which he is one of the charter members, and in which he has been Past Chancellor, also holding several subordinate offices. In 1878 Mr. Campbell was appointed District Deputy Grand Chancellor, and served six or seven years.

Des Moines County Iowa Biographies Project John M. Mercer, of the law firm of Tracy & Mercer, Burlington, Iowa, was born at Kewanee, Henry Co., Ill., Aug. 28, 1858, and is a son of William and Sarah C. (Miller) Mercer, both of whom were born in County Down, Ireland, of Scotch origin, and are members of the Presbyterian Church. They emigrated to America when quite young, and are both living, being residents of Burlington. Mr. Mercer is foreman in the engine painting department of the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad Company, and has held that position for the past eighteen years. John M. Mercer came to Burlington with his parents in 1859, was educated in the city schools, and began reading law in the office of Newman & Blake, a prominent law firm of Burlington. Later he entered the State University of Iowa, at Iowa City, graduating from the law department in the class of '80, and then accepted a position as private secretary to Judge Joshua Tracy, practicing his profession as opportunity afforded. In 1882 he formed a law partnership with S. K. Tracy, their business being largely railroad litigation for the Burlington, Cedar Rapids & Northern Company, and continued in that connection until 1884, when the partnership was dissolved, and the existing one formed with George S. Tracy, son of Judge Joshua Tracy. Mr. Mercer was united in marriage at Burlington, Feb. 23, 1881, with Miss Jennie M. Bernard, daughter of Cornelius Bernard, an early settler of that city. By their union four children have been born-- Herbert M., Harry B., Paul R. and Jane A. In his political views Mr. Mercer is a Democrat, and has been in public office several years, having served as Clerk of Burlington Township, was elected City Clerk in 1882, and with the exception of one term, has held the office continuously since, being its present incumbent. He is also in the service of the United States as Surveyor of Customs for the port of Burlington. Mr. Mercer is a talented young lawyer, who possesses a good knowledge of his profession, combined with fine executive ability, and makes an efficient and popular public officer.

Thanks to Becky Teubner Dubuque Iowa Biographies Project M. H. MARTIN is a member of the firm of Martin & Strelau, of Dubuque, general freight and transfer agents and wholesale and retail dealers in wood and coal. They are now doing a good business and the members of the firm are numbered among the wide-awake and substantial business men of this community. Mr. Martin was born in New York City in 1854, and is of Irish descent. His parents, George and Mary (Murdock) Martin, were both natives of the Emerald Isle, The father was born in County Down, Ireland, and in 1853 crossed the Atlantic to America, locating in New York, The following year he came to Dubuque, where his death occurred July 16, 1894, at the age of seventy-seven. His wife is still living. Midst play and work the childhood days of our subject were passed. During his infancy he was brought by his parents to Dubuque, where he was reared to manhood. He acquired his education in the public schools and his first independent effort in life was as a mail carrier, a position which he filled for some time in this city. He then purchased his father's freight and transfer line which he has since successfully conducted, his business steadily increasing and yielding to him a comfortable competence. In 1889 he admitted to partnership Paul E. Strelau, under the firm name of Martin & Strelau, which connection has since continued. In the freight and transfer business they employ some twenty-five men. They also deal in wood and coal, handling anthracite and bituminous coal, and oak, maple and pine woods. In this branch of their business they also enjoy a good trade, the enterprise proving a profitable one. December 25, 1881, was celebrated the marriage of Mr. Martin and Miss Gussie E. Strelau, daughter of John and Emily (Tanken) Strelau, who were early settlers of Dubuque, Four children grace this union, two sons and two daughters, Florence A., Frederick D., Mabel Harriet and Harrold P. The parents are both faithful members of the Presbyterian Church, and with their family reside at No, 208 West Fourteenth Street, In his political views Mr. Martin is a Republican, and though he warmly advocates the principles of the party, he has had neither time nor inclination for public office. Socially, he is connected with Apollo Lodge, K. of P.; and Julien Lodge, I. O. O. F. His residence in this city covers a period of forty years, and he has therefore witnessed the greater part of its growth and development, and has seen the progress and advancement which has been achieved through the progressive and practical efforts of such citizens as himself. Mr. Martin started out to make his own way in the world at the early age of thirteen, and has since been entirely dependent upon his own resources. Steadily he has worked his way upward, overcoming the difficulties and obstacles in his path by industry and perseverance. He may truly be called a self-made man, and as such we present him to our readers.

Thanks to Don Turner Franklin County Iowa Biographies Project Ernest S. Manatt, the pioneer osteopathic physician of Franklin county, now practicing in Hampton, was born in Poweshiek county, Iowa, on the 26th of September, 1878. He represents one of the old families of the state. His father, James Manatt, was for a half century a resident of Poweshiek county where death called him to the home beyond. He was born in Somerset county Pennsylvania, in February, 1827, a son of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Manatt, both of Irish descent. Robert Manatt was born inCounty Down, Ireland, and in 1812 became a resident of Pennsylvania. Some years afterward he removed with his family to Holmes county, Ohio, where his wife died. Later he brought his children to Iowa, living for a time in Washington county and afterward in Brooklyn, Poweshiek county, where he passed away in 1863 James Manatt attended district schools of Ohio and Iowa and at twenty years of age was married and began farming. In time he became one of the most extensive landowners of the county. In 1880 he removed to Brooklyn, where he passed away in February, 1911. He was twice married. He first wedded Livina Snook of Warren township, Poweshiek county, and they had six children. For his second wife he chose Miss Cornelia Squires, a daughter of Sumner L. and Parizode (Payne) Squires. The latter was a descendant of Sir Simon Fiske, and belonged to one of the oldest and best known cultured families of Vermont. Mrs. Squires was born in Highgate, Vermont, and was a liberally educated woman. Both Mr. and Mrs. Squires engaged in teaching in the-east in early life. In 1855 they became residents of Poweshiek county, Iowa, and for thirty years remained upon the old homestead, but spent their last days in Brooklyn, the father dying in February, 1892, and the mother in April, 1904. Unto Mr. and Mrs. Manatt were born four children: Earl L., who became a physician of Newcastle, Indiana, was born in 1877 and died in April, 1907; Ernest S., is the next of the family. Rex Irving is living in Hampton, and Horace J. T. was accidently killed at play in 1898. Dr. Ernest S. Manatt spent his youthful days under the parental roof, and as he approached manhood he became interested in the science and practice of osteopathy which he determined to make his life work. Accordingly he supplemented his public-school education by a course in the American School of Osteopathy at KirksviIle, Missouri, from which he was graduated on the 31st Of .January, 1901. In the following March he came to Franklin county and has since been located in Hampton, being the oldest osteopathic practitioner of the county. He has been quite, successful, his ability being attested by those who have come under his professional care. Dr. Manatt was united in marriage to Miss Maude Kratchovil, a native of this county, and unto them has been born a son, Earl, now three and a half years of age. In politics Dr. Manatt is a republican but has never been an office seeker, preferring to concentrate his energies upon his private professional interests, with leisure for the enjoyment of home and social pleasures. He belongs to the Benevolent Protective Order of Elks and to the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, and his religious faith is that- of the Congregational church, of which he is a consistent member.

Thanks to Marion John Rice for the transcription to the Iowa Biographies Project Polk County Iowa DOUGLAS TOWNSHIP. STANFIELD, ROBERT-Farmer and stock-raiser, section 30, P. O. Greenwood. Was born in County Down, Ireland, on March 17, 1829, and was there raised to manhood. He followed the occupation of a farmer and weaver during his residence in that country, and in 1867 immigrated to the United States, first settling in Cayuga county, Ohio. He resided there until 1871, when he came to this county. He was married April 24, 1861, to Miss Nancy Mercer, of Ireland. They have five children living William, Mary, Martha, Margaret and Nellie. They have lost three. He now owns fifty acres of land, and is numbered among the successful farmers of Polk county. SHACKELFORD, J. H.-Farmer and stock-raiser, section 1, P. O. Elkhart. Born at Cincinnati, Ohio, August 5, 1837. Was raised in Ohio county, Indiana, until thirteen years of age, then moved with his parents to Ripley county, and was there raised to manhood. He early learned the trade of gunsmith, and followed that business until 1860. He enlisted July 15, 1861, in company D, Thirteenth Indiana infantry. Participated in the battles of Pea Ridge, Port Gibson, Champion's Hill, Black River, siege of Vicksburg, and others. He was wounded in the battle of Cedar Creek, Virginia, and sent to Baltimore Hospital, where he remained about six weeks, when he was removed to Hoddington Hospital, Philadelphia. He was afterward transferred to Camp Morton, Indiana, where he remained until the close of the war. Mustered out Sept. 28,1865. He was married June 10, 1864, to Miss Mahala Williamson, of Ripley county, Indiana. They have eight children: Katie E. (born August 22, 1866), Sarah F. (born October 24, 1867), Alpheus V. (born November 24, 1868), Charles H. (born October 19, 1869), John E. (born June 22, 1871), Lula (born November 7, 1875), Warren H. (born September 7, 1877) and Emma (born January 22, 1879.