Thank you. John McGowan from Ballyfatherly is certainly a relative I've been looking for. Will have to figure out which John McGowan this is. > From: nan.brennan@mindspring.com > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:57:21 -0500 > CC: countyDownGenealogy@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] County Down News March 24 1894 > > News from Ireland > Irish World > March 24 1894 > > REV PETER MAGORIAN, P.P., Ballygalgget, died Feb 22, > sincerely regretted by his people. He was born in > Ballykinlar, Aug 10, 1841; ordained priest in St Peter's > Church, Belfast, 1866 appointedP.P. of Ballygalget in 1882. > > MR JOHN HANSON, Oranmore, Craigavad, died Feb 27, aged 82 years. > > MR JAMES BENNETT of Solitude, Ballygowan, was lately sworn in as > a magistrate for County Down. > > MR JOHN NICOLL, CLONLIG, died suddenly lately. An inquest > was considered unnecessary. > > During the prevalence of the storm, which raged furiously > in Newry, last week, a ?* in High street was blown down, but > the inmates, Isaac Cowan and his wife miraculously escaped > with their lives. > > (* ? might be house, word is blurred) > > > JOHN MCGOWAN, a farmer, Ballyfatherly, near Donaghadee, died on > Wednesday from injuries accidentally received. While engaged > in thatching the house of his son in law, in Donaghadee, he fell > through the roof to the kitchen floor, and the back of his head > came in contact with a tub. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > 480 list members as of 1 June 2010. If you are unsubscribed when you didn't mean to, please contact the List Admin at dhettrick@earthlink.net > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoops didn't state this was an obituary > Liverpool Mercury, July 26th, 1856 > > July 15th, Kingstown, Anne daughter of the Rev Henry BOYD of Killeavy and > sister of the Rev H. E. BOYD, rector of Dromara and prebend of Dromore. > > Jane > > http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html > -------------------------------------------------- > 472 list members as of 1 Aug 2010. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liverpool Mercury, July 26th, 1856 July 15th, Kingstown, Anne daughter of the Rev Henry BOYD of Killeavy and sister of the Rev H. E. BOYD, rector of Dromara and prebend of Dromore. Jane http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html

Of NICHOLAS MCCAFFERY, a native of Boat Street, Newry, County Down who landed at Quebec in 1863. When heard from in June last he was in Quebec. Any information of him will be thankfully received by his wife BRIDGET MCCAFFERY, lately arrived in New York. Please address in care of John Harndon, No 4 Morris St. New York City. Sept 17 1864 Irish Friends and Relatives

Of MICHAEL MCILDUFF, a native of Dromora, County Down, Ireland who is supposed to have settled in Boston. Any Information of him will be thankfully received by JOHN MCILDUFF, 207 West 26th St, New York. January 30, 1864 Irish Friends and Relatives

Of JAMES MCMULLEN a native of Loughin Island County Down. When last heard from, last December ten years ago, he was in Baton Roughe LA. Any information of him will be thankfully received by his sister AGNES MCMULLEN, by writing to her in care of Mr Richard Fitzsimons, 121 First Avenue, New York. Sept 5 1863 Irish Relatives and Friends

McVeigh, Patrick, born at Kilkeel, Co. Down, aged 82 yrs. Burial from his daughter's resid., Annie Bonner, 3528 Wood st. -Dec. 1, 1890 Chicago Daily News. Notes: Anne McVeigh married Frank Bonner on 16 Sept 1883 in Chicago. Annie was born in Ireland in July 1865. She emigrated in 1880. In 1900 she and Frank Bonner had seven children: Thomas, John, Katie, Frank, Joe, Theresa and Annie. (The 1910 census gives 1875 as Yr of Emig)

Small, Daniel, at resid., 136 Barber st., husband of Bridget, father of John and Maggie Small, and Mrs. W. B. O'Keefe, a native of Kilkeel, Co. Down, member of Div. #7, A.O.H, and Fr. Mathew's Temperance Society, aged 49 yrs. Funeral from the Jesuit Church to Calvary. - April 5, 1886

Hello List Members: Does anyone have an e-mail address for Rob Davison please? He has done Irish research for me in the past! Sincerely, Mike Higney

Hello Have just joined this list from Australia and wondering if anyone is connected to my family. I am looking for information about my great grandfather Robert EWART born 22nd Sept 1830 in Ireland. Actual date of birth taken from his Poor Relief Applications and place of birth from his death certificate at the Barnhills Poorhouse in Glasgow. Robert was the son of James Ewart and Janet Hill. I know he had one brother William Ewart born 1818 in Dundonnell, Ayrshire, Scotland. Janet and James Ewart obviously moved between Northern Ireland and Scotland, as did so many others at this time. I can find no record of the births, deaths, or marriage of James and Janet so am hoping someone on this list might have a connection to this family. I have recently found an entry on the IGI for a birth of Robert Ewart, 22nd Sept 1830 in Portavoige, Down and am hoping this is my great grandfather. I have sent for the film and eagerly await its arrival in Australia. Any assistance would be much appreciated Dale Margaret (nee Ewart)

Hi All, does anyone know of all the area's that are currently missing on the census's as per the web site note? Missing Townlands/Streets A number of townlands/streets do not appear in the online census for 1091 and 1911, mostly due to their never having been microfilmed, and thus never digitised. This is being remedied, and the missing material will be placed online as soon as possible. A list of the missing material will shortly appear on this page. The records for some streets and townlands have never been in the custody of the National Archives, and these will be clealy indicated. Regards Greta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <joytun@utvinternet.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ideas please >I don't think that the person at PRONI has the facts quite right as the > forms were left in each house, and the head of the household filled the > forms out on the night of the Census. The forms were later collected by > the > Enumerator. These are the forms that we are able to see online, and > indeed > see them signed by our ancestors. I quote from the National Archives page > as follows:- > "Ireland is unusual among English-speaking census-taking countries in that > our original household manuscript returns survive. These are the forms > filled out and signed by the head of each household on census night. Most > other countries only have Enumerators' books, where family details were > transcribed by the person charged with collecting the census information." > > When I started researching these forms had not been filmed and I had to > search through originals at the National Archives in Dublin. I have a > copy > of a form for part of my family, but these details (1901) Census are among > those currently missing online. > > I do hope that your relative turns up in due course. > Joyce > > -------------------------------------------------- > 472 list members as of 1 Aug 2010. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your kind thoughts for NZ We are 2 Islands and the Earthquake hit the South Is around Christchurch our 2nd biggest city. Amazingly there was no loss of life but a lot of damage especially to beautiful old homesteads The old Cathedral in the central city has just recently been strengthened and survived well. We unfortunately had had our worse air crash in 17years yesterday with the loss of 9 lives was in the same general area but had nothing to do with the quake -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nan Brennan Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 6:03 PM To: McCartan List; nir-down@rootsweb.com; countyDownGenealogy@yahoogroups.com; mcevoy@rootsweb.com; brennan@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] NZ hope everyone is ok I hope all of our New Zealand friends and their families are safe. Nan -------------------------------------------------- 472 list members as of 1 Aug 2010. -------------------------------------------------- Searchable list archive at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are the lists of the earlier cences of Ireland CO Down in particular As mentioned yesterday Can they be searched on the internet. Many thanks Margaret -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nir-down-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 30 August 2010 5:01 PM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 162 Don't hit Reply to respond to a digest message, but cut & paste the specific message into a new email AND change the subject line. -------- Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ideas please (Joyce) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:05:07 +0100 From: "Joyce" <joytun@utvinternet.com> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ideas please To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <335E00BC0F6142F6B4F489F27BBC9297@DHJQH92J> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't think that the person at PRONI has the facts quite right as the forms were left in each house, and the head of the household filled the forms out on the night of the Census. The forms were later collected by the Enumerator. These are the forms that we are able to see online, and indeed see them signed by our ancestors. I quote from the National Archives page as follows:- "Ireland is unusual among English-speaking census-taking countries in that our original household manuscript returns survive. These are the forms filled out and signed by the head of each household on census night. Most other countries only have Enumerators' books, where family details were transcribed by the person charged with collecting the census information." When I started researching these forms had not been filmed and I had to search through originals at the National Archives in Dublin. I have a copy of a form for part of my family, but these details (1901) Census are among those currently missing online. I do hope that your relative turns up in due course. Joyce ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 162 ****************************************

I hope all of our New Zealand friends and their families are safe. Nan

I have just posted a new annotated document to my site - the will of Richard JACKSON 1765. Names and places mentioned include: NAMES/: James JACKSON; Richard JACKSON; Elizabeth HARRISON; George HARRSION; Jackson HARRISON; Margaret HARRISON; Elinor HARRISON; Mary HARRISON sr. & jr.; Thomas JACKSON; Thomas PEAT; Richard GITSOLL aka GAITSKILL; John POSTLEWAITE; WIlliam BAXTER. //PLACES//: Kirby Kendal; Finkle Street aka ffinkle; Gill in Bradley Field; Brigsteer.// //Although he was from Kendal, Westmorland, I suspect that in time I will find that he is connected to the JACKSONs of Coleraine as well as the JACKSONs of CO, Down. This is all in the hunch territory at this time - but if anyone can add to this, I am all ears. // //SEE: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/misc/whatsnew.htm or// //http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/1765Jun15-RichardJACKSON.html // //Also, please let me know if you spot any errors or omissions.// //Ta,// //Sharon/ -- Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Some Become Flowers: http://www.harbourpublishing.com/title/SomeBecomeFlowers Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

That's my take too. There were a number of households where the head filled in the form in Gaelic which is why I had some trouble finding some of them. We also have to allow for people who could not read or write. If you look at the 'education' field it will give a clue as to whether or not the head filled in the form him/herself as well as the telling 'his mark'/'her mark' at the signature. I have an image in my head of the census man dropping off the forms and asking for them to be filled out. The head maybe cannot read or write and so asks his wife or child, whoever of them can, to fill it in for him and then they're asking themselves, "am I allowed to?" so they either filled it in for him or decided they'd wait for the census man to come and ask guidance from him. Or if it was filled when the census man came knocking they might have asked him to do it. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk On 1 Sep 2010, at 09:38, Joyce wrote: > There will always be exceptions to rules, but each Head of Household was > asked to complete the form and have it ready by a certain time for > collection. If you click on "Page 2" under "Household Return (FormA)" you > will be able to read the instructions that were given at the time. > > Assistance could be given if the Head of Household could not complete the > form, or perhaps another member of the household do so for the Head to sign. > I have seen this happen where the Head was elderly. > > Joyce

There will always be exceptions to rules, but each Head of Household was asked to complete the form and have it ready by a certain time for collection. If you click on "Page 2" under "Household Return (FormA)" you will be able to read the instructions that were given at the time. Assistance could be given if the Head of Household could not complete the form, or perhaps another member of the household do so for the Head to sign. I have seen this happen where the Head was elderly. Joyce

I have no idea who filled out the forms but one ancestor is on a form in Ballykine County Down with his Grandmother and uncles and and also appears on a form in Belfast with his parents. Maybe he was in Belfast with his parents when they filled out the form and travelled to Ballykine and was there when their form was filled out.!! Perhaps that was why it had to be done at a certain time in later years.?? Judith -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom n Julie Smith" <tnjsmith@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:28 AM To: "NIR Down" <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ideas please (Joyce > > Hi all > > I'm not sure I believe that that the census forms were filled out by the > head of the household on the night of the census. I say this because my > ancestors' surname was Smyth, and they correctly signed the 1901 and 1911 > as Smyth spelled with a Y. But on the same form, all the people enumerated > had their last name spelled Smith with an I. It looks to me like someone > else filled out the form for them with the incorrect spelling, then handed > the form to the head of household who signed it with the correct spelling. > This happened in both 1901 and 1911. > > That's my two cents worth. > > Does anyone have another explanation for how this could have happened? > > Thanks > > Tom (Smyth) Smith > > I don't think that the person at PRONI has the facts quite right as the > forms were left in each house, and the head of the household filled the > forms out on the night of the Census. The forms were later collected by > the > Enumerator. These are the forms that we are able to see online, and indeed > see them signed by our ancestors. I quote from the National Archives page > as follows:- > "Ireland is unusual among English-speaking census-taking countries in that > our original household manuscript returns survive. These are the forms > filled out and signed by the head of each household on census night. Most > other countries only have Enumerators' books, where family details were > transcribed by the person charged with collecting the census information." > > When I started researching these forms had not been filmed and I had to > search through originals at the National Archives in Dublin. I have a copy > of a form for part of my family, but these details (1901) Census are among > those currently missing online. > > I do hope that your relative turns up in due course. > Joyce > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > 472 list members as of 1 Aug 2010. > -------------------------------------------------- > Searchable list archive at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NIR-DOWN > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I'm not sure I believe that that the census forms were filled out by the head of the household on the night of the census. I say this because my ancestors' surname was Smyth, and they correctly signed the 1901 and 1911 as Smyth spelled with a Y. But on the same form, all the people enumerated had their last name spelled Smith with an I. It looks to me like someone else filled out the form for them with the incorrect spelling, then handed the form to the head of household who signed it with the correct spelling. This happened in both 1901 and 1911. That's my two cents worth. Does anyone have another explanation for how this could have happened? Thanks Tom (Smyth) Smith I don't think that the person at PRONI has the facts quite right as the forms were left in each house, and the head of the household filled the forms out on the night of the Census. The forms were later collected by the Enumerator. These are the forms that we are able to see online, and indeed see them signed by our ancestors. I quote from the National Archives page as follows:- "Ireland is unusual among English-speaking census-taking countries in that our original household manuscript returns survive. These are the forms filled out and signed by the head of each household on census night. Most other countries only have Enumerators' books, where family details were transcribed by the person charged with collecting the census information." When I started researching these forms had not been filmed and I had to search through originals at the National Archives in Dublin. I have a copy of a form for part of my family, but these details (1901) Census are among those currently missing online. I do hope that your relative turns up in due course. Joyce

News from Ireland Irish World July 13 1895 Henry Reid, farmer, Crobane, returned from Newry, one day last week, where he had been marketing, and informed his family he had taken strychnine. Dr Beamish, Newry, was sent for, and on arrival found Reid lying in front of his house. Life was extinct.