Christine, There are a couple of things to bear in mind with the Pension records: --officers did not receive Pensions from the Chelsea Hospital. --not all pensioners have been entered into the PRO Catalogue searchable database. Another point is that due to the illegality of Presbyterian weddings in the 18th century, you should check out C of I weddings and baptisms in addition to those of the Presbyterian Church. From what I understand, the earliest records for the Banagher Presbyterian Church are 1834. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Tregonning" <CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: [Derry] Wetherall Rosborough Simpson > Dear List Members, > > I have joined this list in the hope that someone may be able to help me > with > researching the families of my Great Great Great Grandparents Mary > WETHERALL > and John SIMPSON who according to their respective death certificates were > both born in Newton Limavady about 1830. They were married by licence by > the Presbyterian Church at Drumchose in 1851. > > John SIMPSON 's parents were David SIMPSON and Elizabeth BACON. David > SIMPSON was a Mason. > > According to her marriage certificate Mary WETHERALL 's father was Thomas > WETHERALL. Thomas WETHERALL was a pensioner. Her death certificate > however > gives her father's name as William WEATHERAD and gives his occupation as > Army Officer. Her mother's name is not given. > > John SIMPSON and Mary WETHERALL had the following children: > > William Spence SIMPSON (b.Abt 1852) > Mary Elizabeth SIMPSON (b.Abt 1855-Belfast) > David SIMPSON (b.24 Oct 1856-Anderston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > Jane Rosborough SIMPSON (b.25 Jul 1858-Anderston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > John SIMPSON (b.7 Dec 1860-Milton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > Euphemia Wetherall SIMPSON (b.27 Oct 1862-Govan,Lanark,Scotland) > Thomas Wetherall SIMPSON (b.13 Dec > 1864-Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > Euphemia SIMPSON (b.1867 New Zealand) > Edward Bacon SIMPSON (b.1869 New Zealand) > Ellen Mary Stuart SIMPSON (b.28 Oct 1873 New Zealand) > > I found two Thomas WETHERALL s who were Chelsea pensioners at the National > Archives: > > > Item details: WO 121/21/100 > THOMAS WEATHERALL Born BENNACHUR, Londonderry Served in 37th Foot Regiment > Discharged aged 22 after 2 years 6 months of service [PARA]1795 > > Item details: WO 121/169/180 > THOMAS WITHEROW alias THOMAS WEATHERALL Born BANAGHER, Londonderry Served > in > 37th Foot Regiment; 4th Royal Veteran Battalion Discharged aged 42 after 9 > years 4 months of service Residence or place where pension paid stated in > document. See film image 530 [PARA]1809 > > Both of these Thomas s appear to be too old to be the father of Mary > WETHERALL but interestingly enough on the IGI I found a christening for a > Thomas WITHEROW at Drumchose on the 1st September 1817 whose parents were > Thomas WITHEROW and Mary ROSBOROUGH. The surname ROSBOROUGH has been used > as a middle name for one of the children of John SIMPSON and Mary > WETHERALL > so I am thinking that there may be some connection here. > > I understand that there is a Presbyterian Church at Banagher and I am > wondering if there is anyone on this list who may be in a position to > either > have a look at the church records for me or advise me how I can access the > church records so that I may in the first instance confirm whether my Mary > WETHERALL and/or John SIMPSON were christened there and secondly to find > the > details of any siblings or other family members. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Christine > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Ron, Thanks for your reply to my query. It has occurred to me that the information on Mary WETHERALL 's marriage certificate is probably more accurate than on her death certificate. The certificate looks very official to me although the copy itself is not a very good one. Could the reason that they were married by licence be something to do with the legality of the ceremony. The certificate reads: SHEDULE G.] Registrar's District of Newton Limivady? 1851 Marriage solemized at Drumchose in the Parish of Drumchose in the Co of Derry 23 (or 25) Jany 28th Mary Wetherall 20 Spinster (residing at) ??vady (father) Thos Wetherall (Rank or Profession) Pensioner John Simpson full Batchelor Bricklayer (residing at) Belfast (father) David Simpson (Rank or Profession) Mason Married in the Drumchose ???? ?? according to the Form and Discipline of the Presbyterian Church by licence by me ????Brown? The witnesses were John Girvan? And James Rodgers. I don't have a lot of additional information apart from the fact that I think that Mary may have had a brother William. The church at Banagher seemed like a good starting point given that the only Thomas WETHERALL'S that I could find at the National Archives seemed to come from there and the link to the surname ROSBOROUGH. I concede however that this could be a co-incidence however I think that there is enough information to warrant some further investigation. I would appreciate it however if you or any one else has any further ideas. How would I go about finding the records for the Church of Ireland. I live in New Zealand and I don't have a lot of money to pay for a professional researcher. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ron Dale [mailto:ron.dale@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, 17 July 2006 03:11 To: Christine Tregonning; NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Derry] Wetherall Rosborough Simpson Christine, There are a couple of things to bear in mind with the Pension records: --officers did not receive Pensions from the Chelsea Hospital. --not all pensioners have been entered into the PRO Catalogue searchable database. Another point is that due to the illegality of Presbyterian weddings in the 18th century, you should check out C of I weddings and baptisms in addition to those of the Presbyterian Church. From what I understand, the earliest records for the Banagher Presbyterian Church are 1834. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Tregonning" <CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: [Derry] Wetherall Rosborough Simpson > Dear List Members, > > I have joined this list in the hope that someone may be able to help me > with > researching the families of my Great Great Great Grandparents Mary > WETHERALL > and John SIMPSON who according to their respective death certificates were > both born in Newton Limavady about 1830. They were married by licence by > the Presbyterian Church at Drumchose in 1851. > > John SIMPSON 's parents were David SIMPSON and Elizabeth BACON. David > SIMPSON was a Mason. > > According to her marriage certificate Mary WETHERALL 's father was Thomas > WETHERALL. Thomas WETHERALL was a pensioner. Her death certificate > however > gives her father's name as William WEATHERAD and gives his occupation as > Army Officer. Her mother's name is not given. > > John SIMPSON and Mary WETHERALL had the following children: > > William Spence SIMPSON (b.Abt 1852) > Mary Elizabeth SIMPSON (b.Abt 1855-Belfast) > David SIMPSON (b.24 Oct 1856-Anderston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > Jane Rosborough SIMPSON (b.25 Jul 1858-Anderston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > John SIMPSON (b.7 Dec 1860-Milton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > Euphemia Wetherall SIMPSON (b.27 Oct 1862-Govan,Lanark,Scotland) > Thomas Wetherall SIMPSON (b.13 Dec > 1864-Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland) > Euphemia SIMPSON (b.1867 New Zealand) > Edward Bacon SIMPSON (b.1869 New Zealand) > Ellen Mary Stuart SIMPSON (b.28 Oct 1873 New Zealand) > > I found two Thomas WETHERALL s who were Chelsea pensioners at the National > Archives: > > > Item details: WO 121/21/100 > THOMAS WEATHERALL Born BENNACHUR, Londonderry Served in 37th Foot Regiment > Discharged aged 22 after 2 years 6 months of service [PARA]1795 > > Item details: WO 121/169/180 > THOMAS WITHEROW alias THOMAS WEATHERALL Born BANAGHER, Londonderry Served > in > 37th Foot Regiment; 4th Royal Veteran Battalion Discharged aged 42 after 9 > years 4 months of service Residence or place where pension paid stated in > document. See film image 530 [PARA]1809 > > Both of these Thomas s appear to be too old to be the father of Mary > WETHERALL but interestingly enough on the IGI I found a christening for a > Thomas WITHEROW at Drumchose on the 1st September 1817 whose parents were > Thomas WITHEROW and Mary ROSBOROUGH. The surname ROSBOROUGH has been used > as a middle name for one of the children of John SIMPSON and Mary > WETHERALL > so I am thinking that there may be some connection here. > > I understand that there is a Presbyterian Church at Banagher and I am > wondering if there is anyone on this list who may be in a position to > either > have a look at the church records for me or advise me how I can access the > church records so that I may in the first instance confirm whether my Mary > WETHERALL and/or John SIMPSON were christened there and secondly to find > the > details of any siblings or other family members. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Christine > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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