Hi Mary: Couple of things. In Canada, the US and England and Germany, a graveyard that is no longer supported by "Burial Fees" for maintenance becomes the property of the State or Province's Historical Curatorial Board for maintenance. In some cases the particular church body that still owns the property may sell it to the "locals" however the local historical societies take a hand to cut the grass and do sundry repairs usually to headstones as a community project. Could be a great little employment opportunity for the local students ... so grab a wipper-snipper and away you go. It also enhances the local tourism in the area, ding the visitors [read Canadians and Americans] for a buck and show it to them. Have to think outside the box [read graveyard] ... lol In terms of the pulping issue, there were 6 fully intact Irish Census [one done every ten years in Ireland, and a few other less intact] that were pulped and not on the orders of London. On the contrary London sought the protection of these documents quite vigorously as it was done "after the war". To support this, Canada as per our Archives and as part of the war effort which continued some time afterwards supplied England and British isles [this would have included the Republic of Ireland] free access to 1.5 million tonnes of free newsprint. As a continuation of this generous policy I myself along with a host of other concerned Canadians genealogist types got involved in the preservation of the 1901 Irish Census and the 1911 Census for Dublin [the latter now complete] to have them preserved. Mainly because they were pre-WW1 documents as everything else was preserved. This later point also points in a different direction as to who made the decision and why. Whats done was done and now is the time to fix what we can. Thank God the Republic is now part of the EU. I've been to Ireland a number of times [with fishing pole and laptop] and curiously enough we find it more interesting to travel by Harley as we get to see Ireland off the main road. Truly a beautiful chunk of real estate especially outside of the major cities especially in the "hills" areas. I've been to Niall's place of death up the Loire River and to his place of burial out on St John's Point. Currently we are looking for old newspaper articles on Irish harbours and for old [very old -read ancient] Irish ship wrecks that were covered over as harbours were filled in and expanded. A different type of cemetery. All the best to you Mary and our friends and cousins in Eire. Eric [mac Danaan] Canada From: "Mary Simpson" <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Conundrums Eric Many thanks for the information regarding the dilemmas concerning graveyards. I suspect that in this case it has not been helped by the attention ( according to neighbours living near the churchyard ) of a particularly overbearing and intemperate lady, who was not living in Ireland, who demanded that the lovely cobbled lane leading up to it be ripped up and tarmac laid down. Apparently she did not make herself very popular!! And she did not, fortunately, get her way. The site is way off the beaten track, set amongst beautiful rolling hills and farmland. But the information about the Irish Monuments Dept. is worth knowing..... Its very difficult, and demands much tact, especially if not a local, to take on these issues. But there again, it's very often only outsiders who will do anything at all! I found your news about Canada and the 1901 census very exciting! Good old Canada! I was practically in tears when I saw the state of the Parish Records on the microfilms in the National Library. Even thought about suing either the Catholic Church or the Irish State for culpable neglect and / or destroying essential archival records..... ( if only! ) Its easy to forget the turmoil that Ireland has undergone, until the last couple of decades really. And the census were pulped, don't forget, on orders from Britain, for " the War effort " in WW1. So perhaps we should sue them too whilst we are at it! Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You might be interested in a book by Ian Wilson Donegal Shipwrecks ISBN 9 708948 154560 (Not sure if this is correct but it is the no under the barcode- doesn't specifically say ISBN) Not sure how you are defining 'ancient' but this starts with the Armada. He has also written Shipwrecks of the Ulster Coast ISBN 0 948154993 Rachel snip..........................Currently we are looking for old newspaper articles > on Irish harbours and for old [very old -read ancient] Irish ship wrecks > that were covered over as harbours were filled in and expanded. A > different > type of cemetery. snip

Hello to the Records Lady ... "Rachel" .... yes indeedie ... a tad older than that I dare say .... try ships wrecks from 200 BC somewhere up one of the many estuaries in Ireland, preferably Loch Foyle to the Argyle coast in Scotland down to the Isle of Wight and up the mouth of the Loire River. They'd more than likely be mentioned in very old newspaper articles. All the best. From: "Records" <records@dysarts.co.uk> To: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com>; <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Shipwrecks You might be interested in a book by Ian Wilson Donegal Shipwrecks ISBN 9 708948 154560 (Not sure if this is correct but it is the no under the barcode- doesn't specifically say ISBN) Not sure how you are defining 'ancient' but this starts with the Armada. He has also written Shipwrecks of the Ulster Coast ISBN 0 948154993 Rachel snipit..........................Currently we are looking for old newspaper articles on Irish harbours and for old [very old -read ancient] Irish ship wrecks that were covered over as harbours were filled in and expanded. A different type of cemetery.