----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo McKEEFRY" <leo.mary@clear.net.nz> To: <WaltIrish_11@comcast.net>; <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Derry] WORSHIPFUL COMPANY OF SALTERS (WCOS) > Hi Walt, > Tried to reply but post bounced by mail-daemon for some reason > it looks like it thought my post was spam. > Anyway to answer your query on the first three columns of the > valuation. > Column one: Is the block of land on the Ordnance Survey map. in this case > map either 42 or 47. Your Daniel MCKENZIE was on Block 4A(I would expect > to find this on map 42) > Column two: Occupier of the land. > Column three: Owner of the land. > Hope this helps. Griffiths doesn't record religion but McKENZIE is > Scottish I would presume he wasn't Catholic, maybe a look in the tithe > defaulters might help sort this question for you,cheers Leo. >

Hi Walt, Tried to reply but post bounced by mail-daemon for some reason it looks like it thought my post was spam. Anyway to answer your query on the first three columns of the valuation. Column one: Is the block of land on the Ordnance Survey map. in this case map either 42 or 47. Your Daniel MCKENZIE was on Block 4A(I would expect to find this on map 42) Column two: Occupier of the land. Column three: Owner of the land. Hope this helps. Griffiths doesn't record religion but McKENZIE is Scottish I would presume he wasn't Catholic, maybe a look in the tithe defaulters might help sort this question for you,cheers Leo.

From a letter dated March 1952 after Kelso Creighton, who lived in Oshawa, Ontario, visited N. Ireland. Names mentioned - Robin Creighton, a stone mason and a Willie Machael whose mother was a Creighton. Kelso talked to Willie and described him as a "feeble old man of 74, a semi invalid, sitting in the sun. When I (Kelso) told him of my interest he was full of chatter and almost pleasantly anxious to hear everything I had to say". Willie had apparently worked up a family tree. Kelso felt satisfied that this old man was a distant cousin and "I wish I had taken more time to study the story and the place". Anyone on the list researching CREIGHTON or MACHAEL families? My CREIGHTON's were from Tamlaght O'Crilly who were John b c 1791 d 10 Feb 1865 Ontario, Canada and his wife Eliza (she died in Ireland by 1825/1826 - maiden name unknown) before John and the family emigrated to Ontario, Canada. Thanks, Lynn

In many ways this is really good news from a research perspective. The guilds usually kept meticulous records of their tenants and sometimes their families, their leaseholds, the rents, the productivity of the land, etc. The extensive records of several of the London Companies are held at PRONI in Belfast, and give invaluable info on the people who lived on these lands. My own family rented Mercer Company land, and I found them in the rental records for several decades, answering many questions about their living conditions, dates of occupation and migration, who took over the property, etc. Good luck, Tim Kane Seattle

Hi Walt, When reading Griffith's you need to keep an eye on the owner of the land column. You may find that your relative was leasing land from this London Guild. I found my GGgrandfather in Griffiths with the owner listed as The Worshipful Company of Mercers. I asked my cousin what this was all about when I was in Ireland and was told that that meant the land was leased or rented from this Guild in England,cheers Leo.

Leo is quite right. The Salters Guild was an absentee landlord and by the time of Griffiths valuation in Derry, they were leasing directly to tenants, some of whom sublet. Walt, what name and what Townland? In Magherafelt? Artrea? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo McKEEFRY" <leo.mary@clear.net.nz> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Derry] WORSHIPFUL COMPANY OF SALTERS (WCOS) > Hi Walt, > When reading Griffith's you need to keep an eye on the owner of > the land column. You may find that your relative was leasing land from > this London Guild. > I found my GGgrandfather in Griffiths with the owner listed as > The Worshipful Company of Mercers. I asked my cousin what this was all > about when I was in Ireland and was told that that meant the land was > leased or rented from this Guild in England,cheers Leo. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Walt, Salters are one of the twelve ancient London companies, or guilds. See http://www.salters.co.uk/company/usefullivery.html. They, and the other guilds, were allocated "proportions" of land in Derry during the 1600 plantation settlements, the salters being next to Lough Neagh and encompassing present day Magherafelt. This fellow must have been a member of the guild during the Griffith's valuation time, and likely a protestant, as a member of one of the London companies. Have a look at the map elsewhere on the above salter's website. Jack in Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: <WaltIrish_11@comcast.net> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: [Derry] WORSHIPFUL COMPANY OF SALTERS (WCOS) > Hi All , > Can anyone help me with the above subject WCOS found > in a Derry Griffiths 1847-64 listing for a Daniel McKenzie, especially > as to any religion significance ? Walt > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hi All , Can anyone help me with the above subject WCOS found in a Derry Griffiths 1847-64 listing for a Daniel McKenzie, especially as to any religion significance ? Walt

Query: CONN: What do you know of your CONN ancestors before 1800 or 1850? Searching for CONN families who had known ancestors who lived in the Magilligan/Tamlaghtard Parish area pre 1850. My ancestor was Hugh CONN b. 1685 Magilligan, graduated U of Glasgow 1707, arrived in America about 1713 as Presbyterian minister. Had brothers George and Thomas also in America. Would like correspondence with anyone with possible kinship to time-frame. CONN names in Tamlaghtard Cemetery thought to be related to Hugh, George and Thomas. The CONN group in USA has found one person in Ayrshire whose DNA is almost a perfect match to Hugh, Thomas, George. It has been said the father or grandfather of Hugh, George, & Thomas were of Ayrshire. Jean

Raymond I have this book on the Peden's in my list of Books on Boyds. The Pedens of America; an outline history of the ancestry and descendants of John Peden and Margaret McDill Peden: Scotland, Ireland, America (by) Eleanor M. Hewell (and others. Greenville? S. C., 1961) 654 p. 60-13366 I notice it does include Ireland, but have no idea which Counties it may include. From your Email address, I assuem that yuo are in the USA, so you should be able to get a copy form the US Library of Congress - if not other Libraries for an interlibrary loan. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Roberts" <rachel.m.roberts@btopenworld.com> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:26 AM Subject: RE: [Derry] Peden > PEDAN do you? > My great grandmother's mother, Mary Pedan, married Stuart STIRRATT in > Aghadowey, Nr Coleraine, in 1856. She was the daughter of Robert PEDAN. > The family moved to Glasgow in the early 1860s, and then to Liverpool. > See > www.tribalpages.com/tribes/rachelr > Hope that rings some bells! > Rachel > > -----Original Message----- > From: the_researcher [mailto:the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com] > Sent: 02 July 2006 19:14 > To: NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Derry] Peden > > Seeking information on anyone researching the name peden in Northern > Ireland. > Raymond > http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hi everyone! Has anyone seen or maybe has information about the `Tately` name in Derry or nearby counties/towns? The last info i have is of 2 brothers Alexander [born 1841] and Thomas [born 1843] Tately. Both of the Longtower Church, Derry. Their parents were Giles McIntine? [anyone heard of that name?] and Alexander Tately. I have no further information on these two ,i presume they came from outside the Longtower Church area as they are not mentioned in any of their birth or marriage records! Can anyone help? I should give up, but i struggle on! By the way i went to Derry last year ,and i saw where my GGrandfather was born [Derry workhouse,it still stands,in a shortened version!] and i`m not ashamed to say i cried a bit! If you get the chance to go then do,it`s part of what you are! Oh yes,if you do go ,spend some money and help the local economy! Thanks again Andy.

PEDAN do you? My great grandmother's mother, Mary Pedan, married Stuart STIRRATT in Aghadowey, Nr Coleraine, in 1856. She was the daughter of Robert PEDAN. The family moved to Glasgow in the early 1860s, and then to Liverpool. See www.tribalpages.com/tribes/rachelr Hope that rings some bells! Rachel -----Original Message----- From: the_researcher [mailto:the_researcher@raymondscountydownwebsite.com] Sent: 02 July 2006 19:14 To: NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Derry] Peden Seeking information on anyone researching the name peden in Northern Ireland. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Seeking information on anyone researching the name peden in Northern Ireland. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Hi all, It's been brought to my attention that in order for someone to look up the 1911 Census for me, they would have to pay to do this. So, sorry, I didn't realise this when I put my posting onto the mailing list. Thanks anyway. Meg

Re my earlier post - I'm afraid I forgot to put my father's surname which was MCDAID. Thanks.

Hi listers. As it is difficult for me to search the Irish Census, I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to look up the 1911 Census for me. My father, Quentin, was born at 67 Creggan Road, Derry in 1907, so should have still been there, with his mother, Rose, and father, William in 1911. Any information gratefully received. Thanking you in anticipation.

C of I Marriage 1845 to 1849 McKENZIE / MILLER 1840's Ire USA 20th Century - McKENZIE, MADDEN, O'NEIL SULLIVAN ~ SHEEHAN Greetings All , Hope these few words find things going well. As the schedule / time permits, could anyone be so kind as to do a C of I m. record lookup. I'm trying to determine if my Daniel McKenzie (McKensey) b.c. 1815 and m. Mgt. Miller (Millar, Mueller) c. 1846 having daug. Elizabeth 6/1847 (m. none, to US 1895, d. 1904) & son John 8/1848, to US 1872, d. 1901. Ship record 1895 (Ballymoney, Eliz.) , another 1856 m. (Finvoy, Groom, P. Killough, Danie McKenzie, witness) & 1831 census (Aghadowey, Daniel McKensey) strongly suggest the Bally- money & Finvoy area of Antrim and/or the Aghadowey area of Derry. Needless to say any info on the 4 family members Ire civil or church b. and/or d. records is also of great interest. Additional info as follows : McKENZIE / MILLER Other 19th Century Ireland Related Surnames : McKensey - Kennedy - Kilough - Cassidy - Mooney Derry Ballymoney Finvoy No. Ire No. Ire DANIEL McKENZIE FAMILY OF No. IRE Via Net Email Postings, Possibly C of I m. Records Civil Records Exhausted, Yielding No Info Unknown McKENZIE b.c. 1793 (My GGG Grandfather) BRICKWALL . Daniel McKENZIE b.c. 1810 - 25* (My GG Grandfather) d. c. 1871 Ire ? Family 19th century Ire given names include : Daniel, Margaret, John, Elizabeth, James, Francis, Joseph, George. Indicating any results to me via email would be great. If no records via this particular approach, perhaps you could indicate other sources / approach etc. that might have the records. Thanking you in advance for any assistance. Your kindness, consideration, time & effort is greatly appreciated. Genealogy yours with best regards, Grandpa Walt-Irish McKenzie, Sr. Central Jersey Coast Via Boston (Somerville), MA, USA WaltIrish_11@comcast.net

I'm new to the list. I'm searching for information on my wife's gg grandfather, Joseph Shannon b. 18 Oct 1815 in Londonderry, who we believe came to America through Dublin to Pennsylvania between 1840-1845. He filed his intent to become a naturalized citizen 14 Mar 1845. I would appreciate any help you might be able to give me. Thanks Jim Batdorff Coos Bay, OR USA

Hi all those members of the Derry List that assisted me in the quest to find out about my G G Grandmother I just wanted to say THANK YOU I think I have sent mails to them all if not I hope this suffices, as a thanks you, and if I can assist in Australian research only ask regards Max in Australia

Greg--since you are from NZ you might not be aware that Mullins is a very old and historic name in the US. William Mullins and his wife, their daughter, Priscilla, and son, Joseph, came over on the Mayflower from England in 1620 and helped to establish the Plymouth (Massachusetts) Colony. Sadly, all but Priscilla died in the general sickness that occurred during their first winter. Priscilla and her husband, John Alden, are ancestors of mine. Back to Derry -- I have Reid ancestors that came from there to New Brunswick, CAN from 1830's to 1840 or so--one family. A few of the sons came and them more of the family, the parents in 1840, George Reid and his wife, Elizabeth Buchanan. The last family member, daughter Elizabeth, came over with her husband, Thomas Kennedy in 1853. Any connection? - polly shaw > > Subject: > Re: [Derry] New Listers Interests - Reid, Barlow, (O')Reilly, Hogan, > Kelaghan, M(i?)leary, MacDonald, O'Kane, O'Hara, Caldwell, Mullan, > Taylor, McGinness, McIlroy. > From: > Kay and Greg Blackburn <kayandgregb@paradise.net.nz> > Date: > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:23:48 +1200 > To: > NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com > > > Hello Jack. Sorry I have taken so long to get back to you and thank you for your response > to my posting. I have had some success from the posting and now have contact with some > new Barlow cousins, which is all very exciting to say the least. I do hope that my luck > holds up and I find some more cousins of a different stamp. > > I see that the author of the book "Aghadowey" is a Mullin. I wonder if this could be a > connection to my Mullan line. In New Zealand there is a family of Mullins who are said to > be related to our Barlows. Some of the records for this family show a marked variation in > the spelling of the name and because the name seems to be not common could there be a > connection. Oh well here we go down another lane or is that up another tree? > > Thanks again and best regards Greg.