----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> To: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com>; <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Boyds of Aghadowey, Co Antrim > Mike, > Since Rev. Mullin's book on Aghadowey seems to be unobtainable, > following is the text pertinent to the Revs. Thomas and William Boyd: > p. 40. "It was claimed that the Rev. James McGregor of Aghadowey, when > a boy, discharged from the tower of the cathedral the large gun which > announced the approach of the vessels that brought relief (footnote, from > Parker, History of Londonderry (New Hampshire)). The Rev. Thomas Boyd of > Aghadowey was in the city throughout the seige. > Preaching in Aghadowey on 24th August, 1862, the Rev. Dr. Brown made a > very interesting reference to the seige. He said: "At length when the > fate of our Empire trembled in the balance, your ancestors, led by Colonel > Blair and Mr. Boyd, went to the defense of Derry, and there by their noble > achievements, hewed out for themselves the highest niche in the temple of > fame. (More concerning descendants of Blair, Brown, etc., but not Boyd). > "" > p. 45. Sentence regarding Rev. Wm. Boyd covered in previous message to > Boyd gray. > p. 133-135. "At this point it is convenient to give a list of the > ministers of Aghadowey Presbyterian Church. > Rev. William Jacque 1655-1659 > Rev. Thomas Boyd 1660-1699 > Rev. James McGregor 1701-1718 > Rev. John Elder 1723-1779 > Rev. Samuel Hamilton 1773-1788 > Rev. Archibald Fullerton 1790-1813 > Rev. Dr. John Brown 1813-1873 > Rev. Alexander Wallace 1873-1874 > Rev. James B. Huston 1874-1890 > Rev. Gilbert Kennedy 1890-1900 > Rev. Samuel Morrison 1901-1945 > Rev. W.J.W. Bruce 1930- > Rev. Dr. J.H. Davey 1967- > It will be seen that the Rev. William Jacque was succeeded by the Rev. > Thomas Boyd, who was also born in Scotland, and had graduated M.A. at > Glasgow in 1655. He was minister of Aghadowey in 1660, and received the > tithes of the parish, which were charges levied on the stock and crops on > the farms. > In 1660 Charles II was restored to the throne, and the Commonwealth > period ended. Thr Episcopal church was restored as the established Church > in Ireland, and accordingly the Bishops declared churches with > Presbyterian ministers vacant, unless the Presbyterian ministers consented > to be re-ordained by Bishops. Sixty-four out of seventy-four Presbyterian > ministers preferred to give up their parishes rather than conform to this > edict, and among those who gave up their livings were William Jacque of > Clongish and Thomas Boyd of Aghadowey. Mr Boyd continued to minister > locally, and in July 1661 the Irish House of Lords ordered: > "That Mr. Boyd of Aghadowey, for holding a Conventicle at Desertoel > in the Co. of Derry contrary to the Declaration of this House be examined > by the judges of Assize who ride that circuit, who are to proceed against > him according to the nature of his offense". > It was now an offense for a Presbyterian minister to preach anywhere, > and a Presbyterian service was an illegal assembly. Nevertheless, > Presbyterian ministers stayed among their people, conversing with them > singly, or gathering them together in small groups in private houses or > barns. Apart from 2 or 3 young men, they avoided large gatherings and > field preaching to large assemblies, which might have alarmed the > authorities. They lay low, waited patiently, and hoped and prayed for > better times. > After his ejection in 1661, the Rev. William Jacque organized a > congregation in Bull Alley in Dublin. In 1663 he was suspected of > complicity in Blood's plot, a plan to seize Dublin castle and overthrow > the government and episcopacy. He was accused of "hatching the plot" > through Antrim and Derry; but does not appear to have been arrested. In > 1667 he withdrew with a section of his congregation from Bull Alley, and > formed another congregation in Capel Street, Dublin. Finally he moved to > Scotland, and died unmarried subsequent to October 1699 (footnote-from > Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church) > Meantime, Mr. Boyd continued to minister locally, and was clerk of the > Route Presbytery in 1671. He may have done some duty in Mcosquin as well > as Aghadowey. At the Revolution he retired to Derry, and was there > throughout the seige, where one of his parishoners, Clonel Thomas Blair, > was prominent in the defense of the City. Another well-known local man, > David Cargill, was present at the General synod in 1694 as representative > elder for Aghadowey. The scarcity of ministers appears at this same Synod > meeting where it appears in the minutes: > "Ahalow--Their motion being presented to this Synod by their > Comm(rs), John Moor, with others, and the motion of Aghadoway, being > presented by Com(r) Blair for Mr. Tho. Boyd's continuance with them, and > that their minister be not oblig'd to divide his labours 'twixt them and > Maccasquy, and a motion from Maccasquy, presented by James Smith, that > either Mr. Tho. Boyd be injoyned still to take the pastoral care of them, > or at least he may not be taken out of the Countrey, and the motion from > (blank) presented by Daniel McKelly and Will Hill, that they may be join'd > under Mr. Tho. Boyd's ministry at Aghadowey. The Synod having considered > these motions, doe leave the determination of them to the meeting of > Route...." > It was reported to a later Synod that Mr. Boyd was in fact settled at > Aghadowey, where he remained until his death about 1699. (footnote--from > Records of the general Synod, Vol. 1 pages 12, 15, 19) > He left a widow, and the Rev. William Boyd of Macosquin was probably a > son. I wonder if the widow was the Mrs. Boyd who was blamed in 1703 for > "deserting our assembly and conforming to the Established Church". She > was certainly a person of standing, as shows in the way she was addressed; > and in 1704 the Session sent a special deputation to ask her to appear > before them with a view to removing the differences that existed between > them. She acknowledged her offenses against the parish when she appeared, > and the Session agreed on a vote that the offenses were removed. In 1709 > Convoy and Route Presbyteries paid 40/- each to Mrs. Boyd of Aghadowey. > (footnote-from Session Book of Aghadowey, 1701-1761; Minutes of Sub Synod > of Derry for 12/4/1709) > A question arises as to the situation of the church or meeting house in > which the Rev. Thomas Boyd ministered. According to the first historian > of the Presbyterian Church, the Rev. Patrick Adair, Presbyterians > gradually obtained more liberty in the years following 1661, and in the > year 1668 began to build preaching houses in different places where all > the ordinances were performed in a public way. We can assume that such a > meeting house was built in Aghadowey at some time during Mr. Boyd's > ministry. The present church dates from 1830 and is in the townland of > Ballywillan. The church previous to that is known to have been in > Carnrallagh. The tradition is that there was an earlier church in > Ardreagh, in the part of Ardreagh that is nearest the present church. It > is possible that the church built during Mr. Boyd's ministry could have > been in Ardreagh; but I have come across nothing to confirm or refute > this tradition. Most Aghadowey people were Presbyterians; it is reported > in 1693 that most of the parishioners were non-conformists, not above 30 > being conformable. > Mr. Boyd was succeeded in his ministry by the Rev. James > Gregor." --following are many pages on McGregor, including a family tree. > > Mike, since I'm no expert on the topic, thought best to quote all the > above passages verbatim and let you conclude what you might from the text. > I did obtain the text in 1987 from Rev. Mullins at his home in Coleraine, > and if he is still around, you might want to query him, since he seems to > have an intimate knowledge of the topics. > Hope this helps out. > Jack in Thailand > >

Hi Folks, (Since the Parish of Aghadowey is in County Derry, not County Antrim, I have changed the subject line.) The existance of a wife for the Reverend William Boyd has never been in doubt. His grave, less than six miles from where I live in the Parish church of Taughboyne, Co Donegal says: "Here lyeth the body of the late Revd. Mr. William Boyd who departed this life May 2nd 1772. Aged 87 He had been Presbyterian Minister in Taughboyne 47 years. Here also lyes the body of his wife who died June 21st 1764 Aged 68." This has been on the Clan Boyd site since ever I started researching the Reverend William Boyd. What is of more interest is whether he had any children. The following is taken from the online index to the Belfast Newsletter for 23 May 1755 #1924, col. 4: "Lands, Vow, Ballymoney, co. Antrim, son Taughboyne, Boyd William" The way this site works, the word "son" is probably an error because I doubt if he had a son called Taughboyne - that is where he ministered (now called Monreagh) after he left Macosquin in 1725. So, what land was he selling in the Vow, which is near Kilrea but across the Bann in County Antrim? Anyone have access to the Belfast Newsletter? I would like to confirm that this is not a reference to a son. And even more interesting for me, did he have any siblings in Macosquin or Aghadowey, as my great great grandmother was a Mary Boyd from Macosquin (1810-1885)? I really do fancy being descended from the man who organised the first mass emigration of Scotch-Irish Presbyterians to New England in 1718! Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com>; <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Boyds of Aghadowey, Co Antrim > Jack > Thank you for posting this information. > > This is the first time in about 20 years that I have seem an wife mentioned > for the Rev Thomas Boyd. > SNIP

Jack Thank you for posting this information. This is the first time in about 20 years that I have seem an wife mentioned for the Rev Thomas Boyd. However, your comment about giving up his parish concerns me. When I went to a Church service in the Presbyterian Church at Aghadowey proudly at the back was a list of the Ministers, with Rev Thomas Boyd listed as the Minister form 1660 to 1699. This does not seem to be consistant with your message. Or am I missing something? Secondly, the Church at Macosquin is on a little out side of Macosquin on the A29 Road, it would only be about 7 or 8 kms from the Church in Aghadowey. I do not know when this church founded but in 1660-1699 this area may have been part of Aghadowey with the Minister going to Macosquin regularly to perform services. Also if Rev Thomas graduated in 1655, can one assume that he was about 25 yeas old - ie born about 1630 or before. This would make him at least 59 years old at the time of the Siege. It is thought the Rev William was born in about 1685. While possible that the Rev Thomas COULD BE HIS FATHER, it is more likely that he had children in the 1650's and 1660's. It would be nice to be able to get some age reference for Thomas. Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> To: "Boyd Gray" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com>; <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Boyds of Aghadowey, Co Antrim > Boyd, > Had a look at the entries for the Revs. Wm. and Thomas. There are > several pages of dialogue on Thomas, as he was minister of the Aghadowey > Presbyterian Church 1660-1669, born in Scotland, and graduated M.A. at > Glasgow in 1655. When Charles II was restored to the throne in 1660, the > Episcopal Church was restored as the Established Church in Ireland. Sixty > four out of seventy four Presbyterian ministers refused to be re-ordained > by > Bishops and gave up their parishes, including Boyd, but he continued to > preach locally as he could, although it appears he get himself into > trouble > for "holding a Conventicle at Desertoel in the Co. of Derry contrary to > the > declaration of this House", etc. > He is mentioned as having also done duty at Macosquin, was in the seige > of Derry, and later settled at Aghadowey until his death in 1699. > Of interest to you may be the following: "He left a widow, and the > Rev. > William Boyd of Macosquin was probably a son", and goes on to wonder if > the > widow is the same Mrs. Boyd who in 1703 was blamed for "deserting our > assembly and conforming to the Established Church," etc. >> Jack in Thailand > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boyd Gray" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com>

I have seen various mentions of the siege of late. Has anyone by any chance followed up on any of the Smith/Smyth's named as defenders of the city. Long shot I know. David Smith

In the list few days there was mention of Fasti I was able to find these two books which may help:- (a) A Dictionary of all the Presbyterian Ministers who served in Ulster between 1613 and 1840, by the late Rev. James McConnell, BA, and revised by his son Rev. Samuel McConnell BA; (b) Fasti of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland, by Rev. Professor Adam Loughridge, MA M Litt. DD; These may have a wider availability than the PRONI and may help to locate some Ministers. Mike Boyd Brisbane

Jean I am very sorry that I can't help you with your Conn family of Magilligan. If as your cousin said that he is only able to go back to 1745, you may need to look at some of the Books on the Siege of Londonderry in 1689. I am not sure if the Local Studies section of the Library at Londonderry City could help you in that regard. Another source for earlier plantation record could be:- An Historical Account of the Plantation in Ulster at the Commencement of the Seventeenth Century, 1608-1620, George Hill, (no date), pp 288-291; 526-533 I found this at the Library in Strabane in 2005, but you may find it in a Library in the USA. The third area, I would suggest is the Local Studies Library of Ballymena. This covers the North East region of Ulster and the northern part of County Antrim. They may have some family history on the Conn in some of their publication. When I was there in 2005, I was only looking for Boyd families. Hopefully these contact will be of assistance to you. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: BGW3133@aol.com To: mikejboyd@bigpond.com ; NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Presbyterian Church, Aghadowey #1 Mike, This message shown as #1 goes with following #2. Rev. McGregor would have been contemporary of my Rev. Hugh CONN and knew the other. Have you seen records of original burying ground Tamlaghtard Cemetery outside of Magilligan? Perhaps Rev. McGregor has relatives in same cemetery. My 'cousin', living only about 3 miles from Magilligan, took me to the cemetery showing me his ancestor's grave. This was Thomas CONN b.1745 d.17 Apr 1823. Wife of Thomas was Jane McIntyre. The old church ruin and cemetery now belong to the Catholic church. This church location is not same as Presbyterian Church in Magilligan of today. While my 'cousin' in Magilligan, now deceased, is positive we are of same family, but have been unable to document our relationship because he only knew his lineage to 1745. What he knows is his CONN family has always lived there and he has original land on Magilligan Point that was owned by his ancestors. We do have some of the same given names in our early ancestry. Fasti records - I remember looking at those records in the library, but don't remember if my Rev. Hugh CONN was listed. My early records came from the Presbyterian Church records in North Carolina, USA. Plaque at cemetery where Rev. Hugh Conn's widow and daughter are buried. See Re: . . . . . #2 Jean

Boyd, Had a look at the entries for the Revs. Wm. and Thomas. There are several pages of dialogue on Thomas, as he was minister of the Aghadowey Presbyterian Church 1660-1669, born in Scotland, and graduated M.A. at Glasgow in 1655. When Charles II was restored to the throne in 1660, the Episcopal Church was restored as the Established Church in Ireland. Sixty four out of seventy four Presbyterian ministers refused to be re-ordained by Bishops and gave up their parishes, including Boyd, but he continued to preach locally as he could, although it appears he get himself into trouble for "holding a Conventicle at Desertoel in the Co. of Derry contrary to the declaration of this House", etc. He is mentioned as having also done duty at Macosquin, was in the seige of Derry, and later settled at Aghadowey until his death in 1699. Of interest to you may be the following: "He left a widow, and the Rev. William Boyd of Macosquin was probably a son", and goes on to wonder if the widow is the same Mrs. Boyd who in 1703 was blamed for "deserting our assembly and conforming to the Established Church," etc. Of William Boyd, other than the above, all I can find is this: "In 1718 the Rev. William Boyd of Macosquin was sent over to America, bearing a commission signed by nine ministers and by 208 other persons, to find out what encouragement would be given to them if they went to settle in New England", after which is a description of the settlement there by Rev. James McGregor of Aghadowey and his congregation. I will have a fresh look again tomorrow, as it appears the index does not pick up on all entries in the text, but it's past midnite here, and getting bleary-eyed. Hope this scant info is of some help. Jack in Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyd Gray" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> To: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Boyds of Aghadowey, Co Antrim > Hi Jack, > > I have a particulat interest in the Reverend William Boyd, who was the > minister for Macosquin Presbyterian Church up to 1725, when he moved to > Monreagh in County Donegal. He may just possibly have been an ancestor of > my great great grandmother, Mary Boyd (1810-1885), of Macosquin. I have > done quite a bit of research on the man and am aware of his leadership in > the Five Ships expedition to New England in 1718, and also his role in the > Synod of the Presbyterian Church. I live near his burial place at > Taughboyne Parish Church, near Monreagh, and am currently endeavouring to > raise awareness of his life and work here in Donegal. > > I have heard of the Reverend Mullins' book but like so many other people, > have been unable to acquire a copy of it. I was just wondering what the > Reverend Mullins might have written about the Reverend William Boyd and > would any of it be new to me. Does he say anything about the Reverend > William Boyd's ancestry in particular? I know Mike Boyd believes he would > have to be the grandson of the Reverend Thomas Boyd of Aghadowey, if they > are related at all. I would also be very interested if he says anything > about the Reverend William Boyd's children. His gravestone only mentions > a > wife and does not even name her. I do however have some evidence that he > may have had a son who had some connection with the townland of the Vow, > near Kilrea. > > Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me, > > Regards, > > Boyd > >

Mike, This message shown as #1 goes with following #2. Rev. McGregor would have been contemporary of my Rev. Hugh CONN and knew the other. Have you seen records of original burying ground Tamlaghtard Cemetery outside of Magilligan? Perhaps Rev. McGregor has relatives in same cemetery. My 'cousin', living only about 3 miles from Magilligan, took me to the cemetery showing me his ancestor's grave. This was Thomas CONN b.1745 d.17 Apr 1823. Wife of Thomas was Jane McIntyre. The old church ruin and cemetery now belong to the Catholic church. This church location is not same as Presbyterian Church in Magilligan of today. While my 'cousin' in Magilligan, now deceased, is positive we are of same family, but have been unable to document our relationship because he only knew his lineage to 1745. What he knows is his CONN family has always lived there and he has original land on Magilligan Point that was owned by his ancestors. We do have some of the same given names in our early ancestry. Fasti records - I remember looking at those records in the library, but don't remember if my Rev. Hugh CONN was listed. My early records came from the Presbyterian Church records in North Carolina, USA. Plaque at cemetery where Rev. Hugh Conn's widow and daughter are buried. See Re: . . . . . #2 Jean

Thank you to Ann, JoAnn and Margaret for your replies about James BELL born 1862. Regards Janice Searle, NZ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 4/01/2007 1:34 p.m.

Mike, I have "Aghadowey, a Parish and its Linen Industry", which I obtained from Rev. Mullins himself in 1987 in attempting to unravel the early history of Ballydevitt (never successful there) and also some Devitt/Bear connections in nearby Maghera and Castledawson. It has some good appendices, such as the 1663 Hearth Money Rolls, but most of these are already online in one or the other sites related to the area. It is a good comprehensive history of the parish, mostly centering on the plantation period and the linen industry, but with considerable mention of family names. There is a reasonable index, so I could have a go at trying a lookup if you have specific questions. None of my Devitts or Bears are mentioned, and it only says that Ballydevitt must come from "townland of McDevitt" which is pretty obvious. Rev. Thomas Boyd and Rev. Wm. Boyd (Macosquin) are listed in the index. Jack in Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <BOYD-L@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Boyds of Aghadowey, Co Antrim > > I was sent this Boyd title privately an dit may be of use to other > researchers > > Aghadowey Family Trees > > from > > Aghadowey by Rev. Thomas H. Mullin, > Belfast: Century Services, 1972. > > While it was a Mary Boyd marrying to the Rev David McGregor, son of Rev > James McGregor of Aghadowey. > > I am not quite sure what sort of work this is but I will try to find it > when > Ian in Antrim in March 2007. However,other researcher may have used it. > > The section on five families including the McGregor's came form this > website:- > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirldy/aghadowey/agha_idx.htm > > However for the McGregor's it said the information came from > > McGREGOR FAMILY TREE > > This is constructed from information in Parker's History of Londonderry, > Young's Fighters of Derry, the Burnside family tree (T.2707 P.R.O.N.I.), > > It is known at the time of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689, that there > were > several unnamed Boyd families who were members of the Presbyterian Church > at > Aghadowey. So perhaps other parts of Rev Mullins work may help to > identify > these unknown Boyd families. > > If you do find this work, could you let the list know who useful it may be > in setting out various families in the Aghadowey area. > > Mike Boyd > > Historical Committee, HBS > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is the family of the McGregor's that Mary Boyd married into. You will note that no known daughter of Mary and David McGregor is names Marion after David's mother. So could Mary's mother be Elizabeth ???? who married an Mr Boyd? "McGREGOR FAMILY TREE This is constructed from information in Parker's History of Londonderry, Young's Fighters of Derry, the Burnside family tree (T.2707 P.R.O.N.I.), and a letter from Professor F. J. Simmons (a descendant). This tree includes the noted Rev. James McGregor, minister of Aghadowey, who emigrated to Boston in 1718 with a number of his congregation and founded there the town of Nutfield, New Hampshire, now called Londonderry, NH. A certain Captain McGregor of Magilligan had family: 1. Elisabeth married Captain Lachan McCurdy. 2. Alexander of Maynock, who had a daughter: A. Mary, married Bingham and had a daughter: (a) Sarah Bingham married Samuel Burnside (1729-1805). 3. Rev. James McGregor (1677-1729) married October, 1706, in Londonderry, Ireland, Marion, daughter of David Cargill and had family: A. Robert. B. Daniel. C. Rev. David McGregor (1709-1777), minister of the West Parish, Londonderry, married Mary Boyd (an orphan brought up by his mother) and had family: (a) David, died in infancy. (b) Colonel Robert, married Elizabeth, daughter of General George Reid, and was A.D.C. to General Stark. They had nine children: David, George, Mary Ann (married 1832 Rev. John R. Adams of West Parish, Londonderry), Maria, Eliza, Robert, James, John, Daniel. (c) David. (d) James, had store in Londonderry, and had six children: Daniel, James, Stephen, Jane, Mary, Nancy. (e) Elizabeth. (f) Margaret, married James Rogers. (g) Mary Anne, married James Hopkins. (h) Jane, married Robert Hunter. (i) Mary, married Robert Means of Amherst. D. Jane. E. Alexander, married and had daughter: (a) Susannah (1742-1817), married 1762 Thomas Burnside (1735-1798). A grandson was Ambrose Everett Burnside, a Major-General [for the Union] in the American Civil War. F. Mary, married James Paul of Londonderry and had daughter: (a) Mary, married John Wier. This is the line of descent of Professor F. J, Simmons. G. Elizabeth. H. Margaret. I. John. J. James. Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Jean Could he have had a church in SCOTLAND - even Ayrshire? Magilligan, Co. Derry is where the father of Rev James McGregor came from (he was born 1677). Would the Fasti show assistant ministers? Thining out aloud. Could Rev Conn have been a assistnat Minister to Rev McGregor at Aghadowey, as it was a Mother Church? Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Kilpatrick" <akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Presbyterian Church, Aghadowey > On 5-Jan-07, at 1:13 AM, BGW3133@aol.com wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> My ancestor, Rev. Hugh CONN b.1685 Magilligan, Co. Derry, was a 1707 >> graduate of Glasgow U. His records say he was a Scot. A cousin >> in Magilligan says >> the family came from Ayrshire, SCT to Co. Derry. Rev. Hugh came >> to America >> about 1713. I assume he was then living in England because that >> is where the >> minister lived that sent CONN to America. >> >> What we have all wondered is did Rev. Conn leave Glasgow after >> graduation >> and have a church in England or did his graduate and go back to >> Magilligan or >> other area in (No.) Ireland? Surely he preached from 1707-1713 >> when coming to >> America. >> >> =Do you know how I might find him in a Co. Derry(?) church? There >> are no >> Presbyterian records in Magilligan pre 1747. I assume it was >> Church of Ireland. >> >> Jean > > > If your ancestor was a Presbyterian minister, preaching in Ireland, > his name --and a very brief bio (a few lines)-- may appear in a > publication entitled, "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church, > 1613-1840" (compiled by the late Rev James McConnell, B.A., and > revised by his son, the late Rev. Samuel G. McConnell, B.A.; > published by the Presbyterian Historical Society, Church House, > Belfast). The only copies I know of are held at the PRONI (Public > Record Office of Northern Ireland) and at the Presbyterian Historical > Society, both in Belfast. > > ajk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please remember to edit your posts before replying. There is no need to quote the entire previous thread. Thank you. [Anyone who is having problems doing so may write to me off list NIR-DERRY-admin@rootsweb.com and I will try to help]

I picked this up from my Feb copy of 'Ancestors' magazine. ..Microsoft has launched a test version of a new search tool called Live Search Books at http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=&scope=books ...... It has quite a wide range including early religious history including Fasti Ecclesiae Hibernica. It is easy to use and you can if you wish download whole books in PDF. Rachel

Hi again Kathy, Let me return the compliment (you praised my recommendation of the Derry Journal online). Pensear is an excellent source and you are right to recommend it to everyone. The OAP/Census records which it mines proved to be of the utmost significance to me. I started genealogy about seven years ago searching for my unusual Christian name and had no success until a lovely lady and fellow researcher from Texas was in her FHC browsing through one of the OAP/ Census microfilms that covered a haystack of parishes, including Macosquin, when she stumbled across my great grandfather looking for his presence in the 1851 census. He gave not only his father's name, which I already knew, but also his mother's name, which I did not have, including her maiden name - which is quite unusual in these records - and she was a Mary Boyd! Quest resolved!! Best wishes for the new year, Boyd Ray, You (and others) may find this web site useful in your research. http://www.pensear.org/main.php It's a sort of backhanded way of getting information from the 1841 and 1851 census returns, which no longer exist. If your ancestor was still living, and old enough by the time the Old Age Pension Act was introduced in 1908, he or she may have applied for a pension. The only way to confirm a person's age at that time was for the pension office to do a lookup in the 1841 or 1851 census, which still existed in 1908. This site allows a quick lookup of names, and you might find an ancestor if you're lucky. The cost to receive the information, which might list all household members, is only 1 pound, and you get it quickly. I looked briefly and saw many HASSONs in Londonderry, including a couple of Matildas. Kathy Judge Nemaric Researching JUDGE, BROWN, PHILIPS, KEENAN in Derry

Hello and Happy New Year My great grandparents were Robert Marlin(1825- and Mary Rogers(1830-1914) who were both born in the Village of Curran, Londonderry. They moved to Montreal, Quebec, Canada with their children. They died in Montreal and are both buried at Mount Royal Cemetery in Montreal. I also have another set of great great grandparents who were from. Co. Tyrone they were Robert Walker(1820-1896) and Ann Paden.(1830-1873) . I am mentioning them also as Tyrone is not that far away and someone maybe researching there. Linda Ottawa

However, it is the comment of "Mary Boyd (an orphan brought up by his mother)" that I want to look at. David McGregor's mother was Marion, daughter of David Cargill. From the Jameson Paper, it tell us "Janet Smith, daughter of John and Annie Smith, who married Capt. David Cargill, were from Templemore and later settled in Aghadowey Parish before setting off to the colonies in 1718. They, too, settled in Nutfield, New Hampshire." Hear I am ASSUMING that the two David Cargill's are the same person. So it raises the question "what relationship did Mary Boyd have with Marion Cargill/McGregor?" Could Mary's mother have been a Cargill or was Marion simply taking in an orphan of the district - perhaps whose parents were Presbyterian Church Members at Aghadowey. As she married Marion's son David, who was born in 1710, it could be assumed that she was born in a similar time period. There is a third linkage. James McGregor's father is termed "Captain" and so is David Cargill. Could these to have been at the Siege of Londonderry, with the Rev Thomas Boyd? [This will require additional research to "prove".] So could Mary Boyd's parents have been a son or more likely a grandson of the Rev. Thomas Boyd and she was adopted because the three families had if it has her age on it. ] I am not very familiar with what may have been the practice in County Londonderry in the early 1700's when someone's parents died. There would be no formal adoption Agencies. I have seen of time where relatives took in all or some of the children. Can anyone say what might have happened in rural Aghadowey in this period to try to work out who were Mary Boyd's parents. Thank you. Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Thank you Jim for your reply. I will have a look for McEldowney in Maghera. Your help is appreciated, as is the help from everyone who has replied to my message. Cheers, Ally -----Original Message----- From: James E Pearce [mailto:jimmariepearce@juno.com] Sent: Friday, 5 January 2007 2:34 PM To: allymc@bigpond.net.au; NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com Cc: NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] KENNEDY & DOWNEY surnames Ally: You might check for McEldowney in Maghera, County Derry, Ireland. Some of my McEldowney ancestors were later known as Downey. Jim Pearce Nuevo, Calififornia, USA On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:51:57 +1000 "Ally McRae" <allymc@bigpond.net.au> writes: > Hello, > > I am new to this list. > > My great-grandmother, Martha KENNEDY was born in Maghera Derry in > about > 1862. Her parents were William KENNEDY and Margrette DOWNEY. > William > Kennedy was a tailor. > > > > Martha KENNEDY emigrated, arriving in Maryborough, Queensland, > Australia > aboard the 'Duke of Athole' on 3rd May, 1881, after which she found > work as > a domestic servant on the Irrawarra cane plantation outside > Maryborough. > She married John Wilfred BAKER from Essex in October, 1881. > > > > Are there any other listers researching the Kennedy and/or Downey > families? > Can anyone tell me how to access online records for Maghera. Are > Irish > census records online? > > > > Many thanks for any help. > > Ally McRae, Bribie Island, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 4/01/2007 1:34 PM

I was sent this Boyd title privately an dit may be of use to other researchers Aghadowey Family Trees from Aghadowey by Rev. Thomas H. Mullin, Belfast: Century Services, 1972. While it was a Mary Boyd marrying to the Rev David McGregor, son of Rev James McGregor of Aghadowey. I am not quite sure what sort of work this is but I will try to find it when Ian in Antrim in March 2007. However,other researcher may have used it. The section on five families including the McGregor's came form this website:- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirldy/aghadowey/agha_idx.htm However for the McGregor's it said the information came from McGREGOR FAMILY TREE This is constructed from information in Parker's History of Londonderry, Young's Fighters of Derry, the Burnside family tree (T.2707 P.R.O.N.I.), It is known at the time of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689, that there were several unnamed Boyd families who were members of the Presbyterian Church at Aghadowey. So perhaps other parts of Rev Mullins work may help to identify these unknown Boyd families. If you do find this work, could you let the list know who useful it may be in setting out various families in the Aghadowey area. Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

According to Julia Mullins book 'The Presbytery of Limavady' Magilligan Presbyterian Church was built in 1813- prior to that ministers from Dunboe and Ballykelly preached sermons . Ballykelly has a list of ministers going back to 1656 but Rev Hugh CONN is not amongst them. He is not listed in any of the Limavady Presbytery churches. Bovevagh, Drumachose and 1st Limavady also go back to 18th century. There are passing mentions of other Conns and I can send you details of these if you wish. As someone else has suggested the Fasti may give details if he was elsewhere in Ireland. It is also available as a searchable database of Ulster Historical Foundation, but limited to members only. www.ancestryireland.com Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: <BGW3133@aol.com> To: <mikejboyd@bigpond.com>; <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Presbyterian Church, Aghadowey > Mike, > > My ancestor, Rev. Hugh CONN b.1685 Magilligan, Co. Derry, was a 1707 > graduate of Glasgow U. His records say he was a Scot. A cousin in > Magilligan says > the family came from Ayrshire, SCT to Co. Derry. Rev. Hugh came to > America > about 1713. I assume he was then living in England because that is where > the > minister lived that sent CONN to America. > > What we have all wondered is did Rev. Conn leave Glasgow after graduation > and have a church in England or did his graduate and go back to > Magilligan or > other area in (No.) Ireland? Surely he preached from 1707-1713 when > coming to > America. > > =Do you know how I might find him in a Co. Derry(?) church? There are no > Presbyterian records in Magilligan pre 1747. I assume it was Church of > Ireland. > > Jean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message