Here's a link to my previous post about the ship, "George & Ann" (1729). http://www.lpickard.com/irvinehist.htm ---Bob Robertson

Hello, Mike--- Thank you for a most interesting commentery. My mother's family, IRVIN, is descended precisely from those early Scots-Irish settlers in Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania. I have been unable to trace my line back beyond the 1790s, but it has been suggested that these Irvins were descended from seven Irvin(e) brothers who came to America on the ill-fated voyage of the ship "George & Ann" in 1729. That ship left Ulster and landed in Philadelphia after a harrowing voyage (you might try a Google search for more information about that ship and its passengers). My Irvin forbears intermarried with the Pennsylvania German/Swiss peoples known as the Amish, or "Brethren", and later moved westward into Ohio and Indiana, where my mother's family eventually settled (her branch becoming more "secular" by the late 19th century). Ohio still has a strong community of Amish Irvins. It's likely that other Irvins from this same original Pennsylvania group moved down the old Conestoga wagon roads into Maryland and the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, while others left Philadelphia by sea to colonize the Carolinas. There are several well-known Pennsylvania Irvins who fought on the patriot side in the American War of Independence. The huge Scots-Irish "wave" of migration out of Pennsylvania began in the years before and after the time of Daniel Boone (1770s), and these peoples settled what we know as the Appallachian and trans-Appallachian regions of Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky; eventually in later generations moving on to Arkansas and Texas. Their Scots-Irish heritage shines through today in "bluegrass" music. There were many Irvins who remained in Pennsylvania, some living in and around Gettysburg at the time of the famous battle. So one Scots-Irish family produced soldiers who fought for the North, and also for the South, and others who were pacifists. ---Bob Robertson In a message dated 1/18/2007 9:07:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: While doing some other work I found this quotation:- "> Viewing records 141-150 of 219 > Vital Records, Tennessee, 1750-1890 > > By ETHEL BENEDICT J. LYTLE (MRS. RICHARD R.), MOORES MILLS, NEW YORK > page 348 > In speaking of the emigration to this country of the Lytles, it is > interesting to note the reasons for their coming from Ireland, and the > cause of their presence there. Large colonies of Scotch-Irish > Presbyterians left Ireland in 1718, '20, '26, and '37 and landed in New > Castle, Delaware, with Penn, and settled in Lancaster County, Pa. > Donegal Springs Church was the first church organized by the > Scotch-Irish in Lancaster County in 1720. Rev. Adam Boyd, the first > secretary of the North Carolina Society of the Cincinnati, was also > pastor of Pequa Church, second oldest church, organized in 1722, > Salisbury Township, Lancaster County, Pa. No doubt Capt. William Lytle > was born here, as he and Adam Boyd were fellow members of the North > Carolina Society at the same time in 1783. In 1755, the year he was born > in Pennsylvania, large numbers moved to North Carolina; among them, Adam > Boyd and the Lytles. They disseminated on all occasions their views of > the relation between civil magistrates and the church, their hatred of > oppression and of England. They quickly displayed an aptitude for > settlement, for public office, and for fighting when it was necessary. > They were the most important formative influences in Colonial Society > and life and antagonistic to the British Government. After the > Revolution of 1688 in England, Scotch migration set in strongly for > Ulster, North Ireland, over 50,000. Under James I six counties in Ulster > escheated to the crown, and were settled by Scotch Presbyterians. Hence > the Lytles in Ulster. Persecuted under Queen Anne, 1700-1714, both in > religious matters and in trade, they refused to submit to oppression and > began their exodus to the land of freedom." The Penn Migration of 1718, '20, '26, and '37, does any one know if there are any "records" available in either Ireland or America? The type of records are:- ships name passenger lists; Ports left form and ports arrived; or any other records of these migrations that may help identify individual families. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Some years ago I was give this information:- "Adam Boyd (I) - captain in the army sent by Charles I (reign 1625-1649) to Ireland" As I have begun to learn more about Irish History, I can only assume that King Charles sent an Army over in 1641 to put down this uprising. Would Officers have been given Land after this campaign was completed? If so, are there any records of these grants? And where would they be located now? Several large Boyd families "seemed" to stem form this Capt Adam Boyd, but these only start about the 1700's with data of locations. Thank you for your assistance Mike Boyd Historcial Committee, HBS

I have this oultine of a Boyd/Moore family from Ireland who is thought to have gone to Lancaster Co., PA in 1736. (This I assume is part of the Penn migrations?) I do not know what religion this family was, but given the date of migration you would have to almost assume Presbyterian. Q1 John Boyd, b / /1656 ( , Ireland), d / /17xx ( ), bu , m / /1686 (church, place), Miss Moore, dau of James Moore, Sr., of Ireland, b 16xx ( ), d / /17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: , Ireland? ] - As their son Samuel's [R1] eldest daughter is called Mary, it is possible that Miss Moore's first name might have been Mary. >From the 1994 IGI for the UK:- John BOYD (M)............ S: Abt 1660 B: 19 Sep 1989 ARIZO Ba: F511230 39 @^- Spouse: Miss MOORE Of,, Antrim, Ireland E: 26 Sep 1989 ARIZO So: 1553467 R1 Samuel Boyd, b / /1689 ( ), d / /1770 ( ), bu , m / /1720 (church, place), Margaret Campbell, dau of and (nee ) Campbell, b / /1695 ( ), d / /17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - He came with John (S5) - what other children - to America in 1736. S1 Mary Elizabeth Boyd, b / /1721 ( ), d / /17xx ( ), bu , m / /173x (church, place), William Moore, Sr., son of Andrew and Margaret (nee Wilson) Moore, b / /1710 ( ), d / /1798 ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - Did this family also come to the USA? I am trying to find out where in Ireand this John Boyd and Miss Moore's came from. They may come from the Ballymoney - Coleraine ara. I know one branch of the Mure/Muir's of Rowallan, Ayrshire came to the Kilraghts area about 6 kms east of Ballymoney. This family them used the name Moore in Ireland. If you have any contection to either Moore family I would like to hear form you please. Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

While doing some other work I found this quotation:- "> Viewing records 141-150 of 219 > Vital Records, Tennessee, 1750-1890 > > By ETHEL BENEDICT J. LYTLE (MRS. RICHARD R.), MOORES MILLS, NEW YORK > page 348 > In speaking of the emigration to this country of the Lytles, it is > interesting to note the reasons for their coming from Ireland, and the > cause of their presence there. Large colonies of Scotch-Irish > Presbyterians left Ireland in 1718, '20, '26, and '37 and landed in New > Castle, Delaware, with Penn, and settled in Lancaster County, Pa. > Donegal Springs Church was the first church organized by the > Scotch-Irish in Lancaster County in 1720. Rev. Adam Boyd, the first > secretary of the North Carolina Society of the Cincinnati, was also > pastor of Pequa Church, second oldest church, organized in 1722, > Salisbury Township, Lancaster County, Pa. No doubt Capt. William Lytle > was born here, as he and Adam Boyd were fellow members of the North > Carolina Society at the same time in 1783. In 1755, the year he was born > in Pennsylvania, large numbers moved to North Carolina; among them, Adam > Boyd and the Lytles. They disseminated on all occasions their views of > the relation between civil magistrates and the church, their hatred of > oppression and of England. They quickly displayed an aptitude for > settlement, for public office, and for fighting when it was necessary. > They were the most important formative influences in Colonial Society > and life and antagonistic to the British Government. After the > Revolution of 1688 in England, Scotch migration set in strongly for > Ulster, North Ireland, over 50,000. Under James I six counties in Ulster > escheated to the crown, and were settled by Scotch Presbyterians. Hence > the Lytles in Ulster. Persecuted under Queen Anne, 1700-1714, both in > religious matters and in trade, they refused to submit to oppression and > began their exodus to the land of freedom." The Penn Migration of 1718, '20, '26, and '37, does any one know if there are any "records" available in either Ireland or America? The type of records are:- ships name passenger lists; Ports left form and ports arrived; or any other records of these migrations that may help identify individual families. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Nearly 10 years ago, I was given this information "Genealogical Table T2707/4: earliest reference William Boyd of Kilmarnock father of Saunders Boyd, father of David Boyd of Knockans (1746-1821) married Mary Gardner." A few days ago I was given the same information but it went onto say:- "There is a tradition in the family that William Boyd came over from Kilmarnock to take part in the defence of the Siege of Derry, his home being at Boyd's Mountain (or Boyd's Gap) in co. Derry, and that he was the last man killed in that memorable defence. He left one son, Saunders or Sanders and one daughter, but the son losing his property through the intrigues of his own brother in law, removed to Co . Antrim, and settled at Finvoy at Drumlee." Can anyone tell me if the statement "was the last man killed in that memorable defence." is true or not please. (It would also help to know what "Genealogical Table T2707/4" is and who was its source.] This William Boyd was not mentioned in the few books I looked at in 2005 at the Londondonderry City Library which listed a few other Boyds. Thank you for your assistnace. Mike Boyd Histical Committee, HBS

Hi I have reason to believe that my husband's 2xGreat Grandfather came from Londonderry. He was James Broadley who married Isabella Blair prior to 1820. He died in Dumbarton, Scotland soon after his youngest son Daniel was baptised in the Catholic Church in Dumbarton, as his widow remarried in 1833 in Dumbarton. There was another family of Broadleys in Dumbarton at the time who according to the Census were born in Londonderry but I have not been able to establish any connection to them. I cannot find any record of James Broadley's birth, marriage or death and was wondering whether anyone had come across this name in Londonderry prior to 1820 in any of the Catholic Church records. Any help would be much appreciated. Sheila Broadley, Port Elizabeth South Africa

Some years ago a distant cousin sent me a document she had found in her late mother's effects. It was a lease in perpetuity for a grave plot in "Londonderry Cemetery". This had been issued to Hugh Toner, Labourer, Ferryquay Street, Londonderry in 1876. A note on the document showed that Emma Anderson (a grand-daughter of Hugh Toner)had been buried there in 1897 and that the grave was filled. I decided to see if I could find out who else was buried in the grave. I phoned the cemetery office of Derry City Council and gave the plot reference. The next day I got details of the following burials. 15th Feb 1855, Mary Toner, Aged 75, Sugarhouse Lane, born Limavady, Parents Francis & Mary Toner. 21st June 1857, Mary Toner, Aged 105, Ferryquay Street. 29th August 1874, James Anderson, Aged 2 months, Bridge Street, Parents James & Elizabeth Anderson. 30th July 1891, Lizzie Anderson, Aged 21, 6, Alma Place, Parents James & Elizabeth Anderson. 21st March 1897, Emma Anderson, Aged 24, 6, Alma Place, Parents James & Elizabeth Anderson. (Elizabeth Anderson was the daughter of Hugh Toner.) I was very excited to find this information, especially that the parents were recorded. A mention of any relative is rarely found in the death registers. At first I thought that the two Mary Toners were the sister and mother of Hugh Toner but having examined the dates further I'm thinking that they were his aunt and grandmother. This opens up the possibility to add two generations to my family tree. I will now have to find the dates of death of James and Elizabeth Anderson in order to find their graves. Does anyone have a connection to these Andersons or Toners. Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. somoore@iol.ie

I am looking for information on the family of Robert Oliver, married to Matilda ? around 1809 (plus or minus a couple of years) I have seen a marriage record for Robert Oliver and Martha Caldwell, but marriage records for Robert and William (sons) both state mother's name was Matilda. Children: James b abt 1810 , Jane b 1bt 1814, Matilda b abt 1815 in Dowling, Aghanloo, Robert b. 16 Apr 1816 in Dowling, Aghanloo and William b abt 1818 alsoin Dowling. Both Robert and William emmigrated to the US and ended up in Wisconsin. Any information is welcome

Ken Have you searched the site https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/csi/csi_main.cfm it will show you how many McCutcheons were born in Londonderry and Tyrone for your firstnames and time frames search http://www.192.com/ for living McCutcheons in Londonderry or Tyrone. Lena

Ken there used to be a MCCUTCHEON shoe shop in Derry up until recent years so there must be people of that name still around Mark ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Hartley <khartley@nnwcreative.com> To: NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 12 January, 2007 3:50:58 AM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] McCutcheon's in Londonderry Found this file on the IGI and just wonder if anyone might know anything about this family or any McCutcheon's living in Londonderry........ Would like to know if this Mary McCutcheon also had a son named Samuel?????? WILLIAM JOHN MC CUTCHEON Event(s): Birth: 27 OCT 1868 Londonderry, Londonderry, Ireland Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: MARY ANNE MC CUTCHEON ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Batch No.: C011868 I have just found my Great Grandfather, William McCutcheon and his mother, Mary leaving from Londonderry for Canada (Montreal) aboard the Sardinian on April 20, 1894. William had returned from Canada to bring his mother over. There is also a Samuel McCutcheon who left Londonderry aboard the Parisian in July of 1891. Story was that William & Samuel came over to Canada together in the late 1880¹s but possibly Samuel came later or returned to Ireland and then returned to Canada?? I wonder if the above file from the IGI might be the same people as the birth date would work for the age I have for my GGF (I have found 3 different dates but none have turned up a birth registration) On documents found here in Canada, William has always stated that his parents were John McCutcheon & Mary McFarland and that he was from Tyrone......... But I am beginning to wonder if that history is true??? Could this IGI file be my Great Grandfather & his mother?????? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found this file on the IGI and just wonder if anyone might know anything about this family or any McCutcheon's living in Londonderry........ Would like to know if this Mary McCutcheon also had a son named Samuel?????? WILLIAM JOHN MC CUTCHEON Event(s): Birth: 27 OCT 1868 Londonderry, Londonderry, Ireland Christening:  Death:  Burial:  Parents: Mother: MARY ANNE MC CUTCHEON ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.        ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Batch No.: C011868 I have just found my Great Grandfather, William McCutcheon and his mother, Mary leaving from Londonderry for Canada (Montreal) aboard the Sardinian on April 20, 1894. William had returned from Canada to bring his mother over. There is also a Samuel McCutcheon who left Londonderry aboard the Parisian in July of 1891. Story was that William & Samuel came over to Canada together in the late 1880¹s but possibly Samuel came later or returned to Ireland and then returned to Canada?? I wonder if the above file from the IGI might be the same people as the birth date would work for the age I have for my GGF (I have found 3 different dates but none have turned up a birth registration) On documents found here in Canada, William has always stated that his parents were John McCutcheon & Mary McFarland and that he was from Tyrone......... But I am beginning to wonder if that history is true??? Could this IGI file be my Great Grandfather & his mother??????

Assime that Ron meant to post this to the whole list. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Dale" <ron.dale@sympatico.ca> To: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Fw: Church in 1856 - William McLaughlin > It is interesting that you should mention Ballykelly in connection to > William McLaughlin. There was a private William McLaughlin from > Ballykelly in the 18th Regiment of Foot from 1811 to 1838. This would not > be Reverend McLaughlin but the coincidence is interesting. > > Ron

You mention the Belfast Newletter index site http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/ It gives a very truncated version of the story/item . This is excelllent as otherwise you would never have known to explore certain areas. The index gave me the first clue that the Dysarts were involved in shipping and set me off researching early shipping from Derry to America. You do often need to see the full story.. The Belfast Newsletter is available on m/f and sometimes actual copies at Linenhall library in Belfast and in the Newspaper library attached to to Central library in Belfast. Central library has lots more newspapers too- alas unindexed. It has more mn/f readers and you can go and leaf through some of the papers. (Or you could 3 or 4 years ago) Apologies if you already knew or have done all that . Another thought, the Linenhall Library has an index of BMD notices taken from (I think) the Newsletter. Haven't made a note of what dates it covers. Rachel ----- snip > What is of more interest is whether he had any children. The following is > taken from the online index to the Belfast Newsletter for 23 May 1755 > #1924, > col. 4: > "Lands, Vow, Ballymoney, co. Antrim, > son Taughboyne, Boyd William" > The way this site works, the word "son" is probably an error because I > doubt > if he had a son called Taughboyne - that is where he ministered (now > called > Monreagh) after he left Macosquin in 1725. So, what land was he selling > in > the Vow, which is near Kilrea but across the Bann in County Antrim? > Anyone > have access to the Belfast Newsletter? I would like to confirm that this > is > not a reference to a son. > >

I need some help and advice in finding a clergymen named William McLaughlin who married my GGreat Grandfather Cornelius O'Callaghan (variations Callaghan/Callahan) and an Elizabeth Kennedy in Londonderry 1856. The Birth Certificate was a military document and does not provide the church location or denomination or any other family details. The information should provide a location to research and the Kennedy Family in Northern Ireland. Richard Isaac - Brisbane

Richard I will reply through the group as I am sure that there are others more qualified than myself. I know that the is an Army Barracks at Ballykelly now but I have no idea if it was in use in 1856. I assume the other area is Londonderry City. You may also need to tell the list what religion your family were in 1856. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard isaac" <bibiaust@optusnet.com.au> To: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Boyds of Aghadowey, Co Antrim > Mike, > I am trying to find a clergyman by the name of William McLaughlin. > He is recorded as marrying my GGGreat Grandparents in Londonderry in 1856. > Very little else is recorded on his Military M Certificate. If I can > track down the above William, I can focus my research to an Army Chaplains > Record or a local church. > I noted that you had some experience tracing Clergy in Northern Ireland > and wondered if you could offer any advice. > I am unable to determine a location or denomination for the wedding. > Richard Isaac > Brisbane

Does Rachel Dysart post to this board? If you do can you (or anyone else) give me any help with my McCloskey family from Lisdillon? I have got back to Benjamin McCloskey, Farmer, Lisdillon m. Unknown, and had William McCloskey, born about 1860. William married Mary An Hamilton (also from Lisdillon) in 1888, in First Glendermott Presbyterian Church. This couple are my gg grandparents. Many thanks Susan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

Hello Mike Boyd and all other NIR=DERRY researchers. You all seem to be very knowledgeable about the immigration from Ireland. I realize you have been discussing the Scotch-Irish Proceedings and Addresses of the Second Congress at Pittsburgh, PA in 1890, and your comments are concerning immigration into Massachusetts or Maine, but perhaps you know about some migration in about 1730-1757. I have 2 ancestors that immigrated from Ireland. One was a Samuel STURGEON who came with several family members in 1730 and settled in the Paxtang area of PA. We know they came from Ireland, but do not know where they lived in Ireland or what port they came from or into in the US. The other family is MCKEE who came in 1757. My ancestor was Andrew McKee born in 1747, thus was about 10 years old when the family came. Rev. War documents on Andrew indicate that he came with his father and 2 brothers named Thomas and William. We have not been able to find anything which would prove who was the father of these MCKEE'S. Speculation - no proof is that the name of the father was William. Some speculation has also been indicated that the father was Andrew. I am looking for information to prove the father's name. It appears that the family settled in the Cumberland Co. area of PA around Carlisle. My ancestor Andrew later was enlisted in the Rev. at Carlisle, PA in about 1776, and served in several battles until the end of the war. Before that, he was married in Chester Co., PA. to Mary Bamford. One note of interest, is that Andrew named his first son William. There is a MCKEE family that originated in Minnigaff, Kirckudbright, Scotland that if my Andrew is related, was in Calmore, Kilcronaghan, Loughinsholin area of Northern Ireland. If they might have been from that area, is there any possibility of any records being available. I know about the 1922 fire in Dublin which destroyed most of the early records. This family was of the Presbyterian faith. Is it possible there might be any records in the Calmore area? Would you have any suggestions of how and what to search to try to find this family? I would be very happy to have some type of document that would prove the father. One of my fellow researchers here reported that he had found a record in Londonderry proving the father to be William. However, he died before he could report his source, and his wife was not able to find any information to pass on to the rest of us. On a trip my daughter and I took to Ireland several years ago, we searched in Londonderry and in Dublin and did not find any records for this MCKEE family. However, It was a quick search. I would be pleased to hear of your expertise in doing this type of search. Records have been pretty thoroughly searched on this side of the pond. We cannot find anything to prove the father. Thanks for any advice you might have. Ilene Jones

I have some McIldowneys spelled with an I in Griffith's valuation. John, Laurance, Matthew & Joseph. Living in Goretiure townland, parish of Killelagh.The nearest town is Maghera. The McIldowneys were cousins of my gg-grandmother, Mary Bradley. I think there are Bradleys there still. Best regards, Joan,in NY Also interested in Mc Kenna from same area.

David When I was in Londonderry in 2005, I looked at these books for Boyds, so perhaps if your local Library can get hold of them for you on loan, it may help you. (Or you may need to contact the Londonderry City Library to see if they can give a list to consult.) Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, Being A Chronicle of Events in Ireland During the Revolutionary Period 1688-1691, William R. Young, 1932 The Siege of Derry, Patrick Macrory, (no date), Siege of Derry - 1689, Peter McCartney, 1983, I am sure that there woul dbe many other books on this subject. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Smithhipv@aol.com> To: <nir-derry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:28 AM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Siege of Londonderry. >I have seen various mentions of the siege of late. Has anyone by any chance > followed up on any of the Smith/Smyth's named as defenders of the city. > Long > shot I know. > David Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message