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    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census
    2. Records
    3. Censuses began in 1801 and continued every 10 years after that except for 1941. The first censues contained very limited info and 1841 was the first to include everyone.. That said, there are no complete censuses existing for Ireland before 1901. They were destroyed by fire in 1922. There are scraps of the 1831 in existence and I seem to remember it included parts of Derry. It is available at the Public Record Office in Belfast but not on line. It is also on a CD -FTM I think. http://www.genealogy.com/197facd.html?priority=0000896 This book is good on the basics of NI research Tracing your Ancestors in Northern Ireland by Ian Maxwell ISBN 0 11 495823 8 Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: <BGW3133@aol.com> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census > Does anyone know what year the first census of Ireland was taken that > would > include Derry/Londonderry? > > Jean > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/01/2007 05:23:49
    1. [NIR-DERRY] SHIRLEY, HULL, HARPER in Coleraine
    2. Can anyone help? I am trying to help a cousin's wife trace her family. I am looking for the Mother of Catherine SHIRLEY from Rhee; Catherine is her grandmother; who married William HULL 20th March 1890. According to the marriage certificate Catherine's father was Robert SHIRLEY, a farmer but don't know who the Mother is. I cannot find a birth certificate. The marriage certificate just says 'full age'. We think that Catherine died about 1960 aged 94 and may have had at least 2 sisters Maggie A and Lizzie. My cousin's wife thought that her Gt Grandmother was Margaret HARPER, but the only Margaret HARPER married to a Robert SHIRLEY, I can find, married 15th April 1846 but this may be a little early so could be a generation earlier. Any help would be appreciated as there seem to be a number of Robert SHIRLEY's round this period. Thank you for the help. Regards Fiona Caskey

    04/01/2007 04:16:48
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census
    2. Phillipp Steffon
    3. Hello People , Does anyone know How to get this to show on Anscerty ??????? I belong to that gtoup thing . BUT I can not find a place to look at it !!!!!, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulster Ancestry" <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 23:49 Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census > > Hello Jean, > > The earliest census subsitiute which includes the City is the Religious > census of 1766 > The earliest surviving official census for both City and County is 1831 but > it is limited in that it gives the name of the head of house only plus the > number of males and females. > > However it is still a very valuable resource. > > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > > >From: BGW3133@aol.com > >To: NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:23:43 EDT > > > >Does anyone know what year the first census of Ireland was taken that > >would > >include Derry/Londonderry? > > > >Jean > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at > >http://www.aol.com. > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. > http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/01/2007 03:59:42
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census
    2. Donal O'Kelly
    3. Some census substitutes are extant to 1630. Also a group of volunteers are transcribing the 1831 census of Derry and other counties of Ireland wherever records or copies of records are available. I hope this helps. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/derry/index.htm Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulster Ancestry" <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census > > Hello Jean, > > The earliest census subsitiute which includes the City is the Religious > census of 1766 > The earliest surviving official census for both City and County is 1831 > but > it is limited in that it gives the name of the head of house only plus the > number of males and females. > > However it is still a very valuable resource. > > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > >>From: BGW3133@aol.com >>To: NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census >>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:23:43 EDT >> >>Does anyone know what year the first census of Ireland was taken that >>would >>include Derry/Londonderry? >> >>Jean >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. > http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 > 1:15 PM > >

    04/01/2007 02:45:49
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Fw: NIR - IRE census
    2. Dave Mitchell
    3. 1901 census available in PRONI. 1831 census survives for parts of co. Ldy -- saw this on microfilm thru LDS library. Which areas? Regards Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: <> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 5:23 AM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census > Does anyone know what year the first census of Ireland was taken that > would > include Derry/Londonderry? > > Jean > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    04/01/2007 02:40:32
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census
    2. Ulster Ancestry
    3. Hello Jean, The earliest census subsitiute which includes the City is the Religious census of 1766 The earliest surviving official census for both City and County is 1831 but it is limited in that it gives the name of the head of house only plus the number of males and females. However it is still a very valuable resource. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com >From: BGW3133@aol.com >To: NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:23:43 EDT > >Does anyone know what year the first census of Ireland was taken that >would >include Derry/Londonderry? > >Jean > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/

    04/01/2007 12:49:31
    1. [NIR-DERRY] NIR - IRE census
    2. Does anyone know what year the first census of Ireland was taken that would include Derry/Londonderry? Jean ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

    03/31/2007 05:23:43
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Dear Old Eneclann Inc
    2. E Macklin
    3. Trinity College et al: All of Eneclann's releases [both now and in the future] have been available for years in hard bound format and are currently making the same old stuff available in a CD format. Its like taking what remained of the gutted Four Courts Library after the Republican induced shelling and fire of 1922 and have found a new tune for a very old song. Brings an old joke to a new level in a commercialized cottage industry. A major disappointment for all is the effort being put into the Journals of the Memorials to the Dead started in 1889 and finished in 1915. Eneclann is releasing this stuff in bits and pieces over the next 6+ years. Those records are available at most major Universities around the world and are nothing more than a compendium of an assortment of the larger headstones in major cemeteries from Cork to Derry covering about 1 in a hundred. The more interesting ones were ignored. The only major event to appear in Irish genealogy [after nearly 60 years] will occur this fall with the final wrap up by the Canadian Archive Division team now in Dublin who are digitizing the 1901 Irish Census and a small one for Dublin. The Irish assistance and this by National Archives of the Republic, was the provision of their copy which was in tatters. And it will be free as well except from Enelcann. Eric

    03/31/2007 10:26:41
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Electronic databases
    2. Boyd Gray
    3. Hi Jack, Nice to see you're still watching us from waaaay out there in Thailand. As it happens I was jus about to invest some hard earned coppers in some genealogy cds or dvds - one which will help me with my researches in East Donegal and East County Derry. Databases, I mean. I have checked out the Eneclann site and found these: http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Archive_CD_Books_Ireland.html I wonder do you, or any other listers have any suggestions as to the best investment for someone like me. I only have the BIVRI discs at the moment - I say only, but they are probably the most useful set of cds availabe. What do other think? What do you recommend? I see that the enecalnn site has: http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Indexes_of_Irish_Wills_1536-1858__5_Vols__IET0037_.html This is so cheap I will defo order it. http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/IET0036.html This sounds too historical with very little of genealogical interest. http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/IET0068_-_.html Sounds fascinating but I have no ancestors in Derry City, though I HAVE found some Donegal exiles getting married here. http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/IET0061.html I have always wanted Hanna and this seems amazingly cheap compared to any hard copy version I have ever seen online. Does anyone have any comments on these four sources? Does anyone have any alternative suggestions which would meet the criteria I have outlined? Thanks in advance - you can be sure, whatever I buy, I will be doing look-ups. Boyd > Just received this from Eneclann with new releases this month and note the > "The Registers of Derry Cathedral 1642-1703" and six inch Ordnance Survey > maps from 1829-1843 which might be of interest to listers. > Jack > Thailand SNIP

    03/31/2007 09:49:25
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Registers of Derry Cathedral
    2. Jack Devitt
    3. Just received this from Eneclann with new releases this month and note the "The Registers of Derry Cathedral 1642-1703" and six inch Ordnance Survey maps from 1829-1843 which might be of interest to listers. Jack Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eneclann Newsletter" <newsletter@eneclann.ie> To: <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: New Titles - March 2007 > Issue 106, 30 March 2007 > > Dear Eneclann customers and friends, > > Welcome to the Eneclann newsletter. This month we are delighted to > announce the latest publication releases from our Archive CD Books > Ireland range (see below). > > IRISH HISTORIC MAPS > We are pleased to announce that you can get copies of the 1st Edition > Ordnance Survey maps in full colour through our site. Surveyed between > 1829 and 1843, the first edition 6 inch Ordnance Survey maps of Ireland > are a crucial research resource for Irish genealogy. To view all the maps > in full colour online, or to select site centered maps for download, CD- > ROM or in print, come to our web page at: > http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Historic_Maps.html > > NEW CD-ROM TITLES > We are also publishing five new CD-ROM titles this month. These include > one of the rarest directories for Counties Limerick and Clare, by Ashe in > 1891-2. We also continue our republication of the Statistical Surveys, > this time for County Cavan. This month we are also delighted to announce > the first republication of the important series published by the Parish > Register Society, The Registers of Derry Cathedral 1642-1703, containing > over 12,000 names. Also from the north, we publish Bradshaw's Enniskillen > Long Ago, 1878 which is an excellent history of this important town in > County Fermanagh. Last, but by no means least, we have published the > Kilkenny Grand Jury Presentments for 1832. 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    03/31/2007 06:33:43
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Murray/Curran/Tracy
    2. Mary Jo Boyle
    3. Does anyone have any information about William Murray, born in Londonderry about 1810 or so. He married Mary Dehan, and they had at least one child, John Murray I,born January 1838. He married Mary Ann Curran, born 1837. She was the daughter of Patrick Curran and Jane Tracy.Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mary Jo Boyle

    03/26/2007 11:15:47
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] Fw: Northern Ireland history/timeline info request
    2. Can anyone please tell me when the first census of Derry, Ireland was taken? Thanks, Jean ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

    03/25/2007 12:12:36
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] Northern Ireland history/timeline info request
    2. MARK LUSBY
    3. Dear Mary, there is a useful history of Derry prepared by Lewis in 1841 see http://www.from-ireland.net/descrs/lond/derrydescr.htm Also the Derry City Council Museum website is www.derrycity.gov.uk/museums St Columb's Cathedral, the Apprentice Boys of Derry and the Museum of Free Derry all have websites. Best wishes Mark Lusby www.lusbyfamilyhistory.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Mary King <zulady2000@yahoo.com> To: Derry <nir-derry-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 22 March, 2007 9:31:58 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Northern Ireland history/timeline info request I am learning about my family roots from Derry and really would like to learn more about the history of the country. Can someone point me to some good websites to give timelines from 1800-present and some good history websites of Derry? Thanks in advance, Mary --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/25/2007 08:26:47
    1. [NIR-DERRY] MCINNES, MILLAN from ?Limavady to Canada West 1841
    2. Peter Grant
    3. MARGARET MILLAN was b. about 1770. She m. JOHN MCINNES, and they had 8 children: THOMAS (b abt 1794), JAMES (b abt 1798), JOHN (b. 1799), WILLIAM (b. abt 1804), JOHANNA (b. abt 1808), MARY JANE (b abt 1811), JESSE (b abt 1814) and ISRAEL (b. abt 1817). I have no Irish records for this family. According to a few Canadian records (gravestone inscriptions, census returns), they were Presbyterian ("Church of Scotland") and they lived in Co Derry John apparently married in Scotland and emigrated to Canada between 1826 and 1828. James emigrated to Canada in the early 1830s. William married in Scotland in 1835. The father died before 1841. The widow emigrated with the rest of the family to Canada in 1841. There is a stray mention of Limavady and of a linen mill. I'm told the names MAGINNIS was sometimes adopted as a disguise for MACINNES by Ulster Scots. I wonder if MILLAN might be a variant of MULLIN or MULLEN or even MILLER or MILLAR. Would someone with that nifty 1831 census index be willing to look them up for me? I would be most grateful. Peter

    03/24/2007 08:40:33
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Fw: Northern Ireland history/timeline info request
    2. Dave Mitchell
    3. Hi Mary For background and a good feel of what the Siege was all about, I recommend you read "Siege of Derry" by Carlo Gebler. It is a paperback, recently published. Not expensive and very easy to read. Deals with the siege of Derry "as one of the key flash points in the troubled history of Ireland and Britain. This book describes both the events leading up to the siege and the heroic struggles within and outside of Derry as the five-month battle waged." Kind regards David Mitchell Cape Town South Africa

    03/23/2007 03:30:27
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] Northern Ireland history/timeline info request
    2. HI Mary, You can archive this list and previous postings to find info some history of Derry. There have been recent mailings on the "Siege of Derry" and the "migration" from Derry to Boston. Use these terms in your search. I also came across this site: _www.irishroots.net_ (http://www.irishroots.net) As I have not been researching Derry for very long I'm sure there are listers who will be kind enough to share the wealth. Good Luck, Denise Loan, Loane, O'Loan, O'Loane, Lone ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

    03/22/2007 02:38:00
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Clarke/Bradley
    2. Deckers Electric
    3. Hi List, I am also looking for Ellen Bradley born in Ireland 1839, fathers name Hugh Bradley. Roman Catholic mother's name Agnes McIntoe ( I think this is a Scottish name but cannot find either person that fits on Scotlandpeople. I have checked all census records and have looked for bmd also) Ellen Bradley was living in Glasgow in 1861, and in Edinburgh in 1871, on both census records she gives her place of birth as Ireland. She married in 1879 (at age 39), which is where I got her parent's names from. She died 3 months later in Edinburgh at the New Royal Infirmary. I would like to find her Irish roots. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Carol Deckers

    03/22/2007 01:16:50
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Clarke/Bradley
    2. Deckers Electric
    3. Hi List, I am researching my Irish family, unfortunately I don't have too much to go on. Neil Clarke born Ireland 1830-33, Roman Catholic father's name Hugh Clarke mother's name Helen Wilson Neil immigrated to Glasgow Scotland between 1851 and 1860, where he first shows up on the Glasgow census. He died at the City Poorhouse in 1871. My gr. grandmother was illegimate, so there is no marriage record to check. According to the poorhouse records he never married. The only other bit of information I have is that Neil's father may have been a slater. Do I have any chance of finding his roots? I would even go to Ireland to research myself it I thought it would be worthwhile. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Carol Deckers

    03/22/2007 01:07:44
    1. [NIR-DERRY] Londonderry Sentinel - Derry Journa -l index from 1900
    2. Records
    3. You may already know of this site. I came across it when looking for something else. http://www.papersindex.com/search.php The index starts in 1900 . This is from their FAQ. _____________________________________________________________________________________- "The index is a selective index, which means that only 'relevant' articles or storylines are to be indexed. It aims to be a record of the important political, social, and economic events that shaped the evolution of the city during the 20th century, and, in general terms, the articles included in the index will reflect that. Not Included Minutiae such as advertisements, routine court cases, routine sports reports, entertainment notices, birth, marriage and death notices (except obituaries) National and international news - which features very prominently in the earlier papers (see also national and international items, below) For Inclusion: a.. Items relating to: new buildings, new industries, closure of old industries, infrastructural developments, hospitals, retail developments, political developments, the religious life of the communities, elections, community initiatives, major events/festivals, significant court cases, community relations, education, the 'Troubles' in Derry, etc. Also regular features relating to Derry Corporation, Boards of Guardians (the Workhouse), Port and Harbour Commissioners, Londonderry Chamber of Commerce, Derry Asylum. Also: b.. Editorials - only if they are commentary on local stories or situations, or on stories or situations which, though not local, have had a clear impact on, or significance for, the town and its people. c.. Letters - only if they are from individuals directly involved in stories which are current, if they contain significant information which adds to our knowledge of stories, or if they explain or represent the views of important local groups, bodies or individuals. d.. Sports and entertainment items - only if they relate to the broad organization and development of a particular sport in the area - or if they reflect or provide local examples of a wider national trend. An example of this latter would be the development of the GAA and the Feis in Derry, which have to be seen in the context of the development and growth of the Gaelic Revival in Ireland at the turn of the century. e.. National or international items - only if they relate to events which contributed to the shaping of the national psyche, or had an obvious local impact. Events such as the Battle of the Somme or the Easter Rising would be examples here." f.. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I found the index poor on peoples' names - not surprising given its remit- but good on placenames. On subjects it looks fascinating. I tried Yeomanry, Workhouse and shipping. Rachel

    03/22/2007 11:15:30
    1. Re: [NIR-DERRY] James Neill from County Derry, Married in Baltreagh Parish 1895
    2. Boyd Gray
    3. Hi Jim, Not too sure what you or looking for or what you have but here's some suggestions anyway. Bad start - the online Griffiths Valuation (mid 1850s) index for Balteagh has no Neils at all in the parish and only two Gordons, neither of whom is living in Ballyleighrey. Check here for yourself: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/derry/balteagh.htm This means you will have to look at the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books from your nearest Family History Centre (or from PRONI, if you know someone in Belfast). They will show you approximately when, and more importantly, which Neils and Gordons moved into Maine and Ballyleighrey respectively in time for your folks to be married from there - unless, of course, they lived, perhaps as servants or boarders in someone else's house. This is not improving - I have just checked out the LDS index and I see it does not contain ANY GVRBs for Northern Ireland - only the rest of Ireland: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=233104&name=Great+Britain%2E+Office+of+the+General+Valuation+of+Ireland%2C+null&columns=*,0,0 That means Befast is your only source. Civil Records are next. You are back to your local family History Centre here to look at the microfilms of indexes for Births, Marriages and Deaths. The index of marriages will give you the volume and page number for the marriage of James and Margaret and you can then order the cert from GRONI in Belfast and the cert will tell you who their fathers were and where the fathers came from. You can also check the births and deaths indexes for more Neils and Gordons in the saame period in Balteagh. I usually resaearch either East Donegal or the Bann Valley in County Derry so I do not know the Registration District you will need to look out for when searching these indexes but I suspect it will be Limavady (often called Newton Limavady in records), Dungiven or Londonderry because Balteagh is a rural area between those three towns. Perhaps someone who researches this area will tell you where the local registry office was. This is where you order the certs: http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm Does the name Watson mean anything to you? Could this be James' father? This is the only James Neil marriage in my BIVRI discs (a selection of LDS Civil Records on CD) and Drumcahose is in Limavady: NEILL, James Watson Marriage Wife: Annie MILLER Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1860 Recorded in: Drumachose, Londonderry, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: James NEILL Wife's Father: William MILLER Source: FHL Film 101420 Dates: 1860 - 1860 Could this be your Margaret's birth: GORDON, Margaret Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 6 Oct 1871 Birthplace: 881, Newtownlimavady, Derry, Ire Recorded in: Londonderry, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Edward Gordon Mother: Elizabeth Wilson Source: FHL Film 255832 Dates: 1871 - 1872 Church records you can check out here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirldy2/Records/index.htm Again, only available locally or in PRONI. What religion were they? My grandmother was a Margaret Gordon and in my experience 90% of Gordons are Presbyterian. I noticed on this site that Balteagh Presbyterian Church records go back to 1845. This site shows you where Balteagh is with respect to other parishes: http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par046.htm And this is all the parishes in Derry: http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/index.htm One complication of searching for the Neil/Neill family is that many searches will also throw up O'Neil and McNeil. As to changing the spelling to add an "l", this is often very arbitrary because so many folks could not read or write in the 19th century, rather than a deliberate chioce after emigration. If they did not immigrate til 1913, have you checked out the 1901 census for Coleraine? It is available only in Coleraine and Derry City as far as I know - or, yet again, in your local FHC - what would we do without the Mormons?!. Here's one more interesting online source - the 1912 Ulster Covenant: http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/results.asp It has the following two interesting entries: Neill James Union Street Coleraine Londonderry: North Coleraine Town Hall Steedinan, George F png djvu Neill James Taylors Row Coleraine Londonderry: North Coleraine Town Hall Steedinan, George F png djvu Do you have an address for the Neils in Coleraine - could it be one of the two above? It should NOT be difficult to find your family Jim, but it will be infinitely easier for someone to do it here in Ireland rather than in Canada or wherever you are. Hope this helps, Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Neill" <jrneill@alltel.net> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] James Neill from County Derry,Married in Baltreagh Parish 1895 SNIP> If anyone could point me in a direction to find either James, Margaret, > or even just tell me know in what area Maine and Ballyleighery are > located I would appreciate it. > > Thank you > > Jim Neill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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