PRONI do have records on microfilm for Lecumpher Presbyterian Church according to their web site. PRONI reference MIC/1P/449

Lecumpher Presbyterian Church, just outside Desertmartin, has baptisms and marriages from 1825 but I'm not sure if PRONI have the records for it or not. Ron Dale wrote: > These two names were very common. I do not know what records survive for > the Presbyterian Churches in Desertmartin but it would be worthwhile > checking. The 1859 Griffith's Valuation for Desertmartin show three Lennox > households in Cranny: John, Matthew and William. > > Ron Dale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Basso" <vabasso@shaw.ca> > To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:04 PM > Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Robert Lennox and Jane Stewart > > > >> my great great grandfather and his wife came to Ontario Canada in 1845 >> >> Jane died Dec 5th 1900 and Robert died Sept 2nd 1893 in Tyendinaga >> Hastings co >> >> it said Robert and Jane came from Cranny Desertmartin Londonderry he was >> a blacksmith they were Presbyterian >> >> trying to find out who his parents were he would be born around 1813 or >> 12. ? not sure any help would be greatly appreciated Valerie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

thank you to Ron Linda and Bill for your help. saw a lovely picture of the church this morning and when the LDS opens in Sept. will try to order a film on the church. Valerie

These two names were very common. I do not know what records survive for the Presbyterian Churches in Desertmartin but it would be worthwhile checking. The 1859 Griffith's Valuation for Desertmartin show three Lennox households in Cranny: John, Matthew and William. Ron Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Basso" <vabasso@shaw.ca> To: <NIR-DERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Robert Lennox and Jane Stewart > my great great grandfather and his wife came to Ontario Canada in 1845 > > Jane died Dec 5th 1900 and Robert died Sept 2nd 1893 in Tyendinaga > Hastings co > > it said Robert and Jane came from Cranny Desertmartin Londonderry he was > a blacksmith they were Presbyterian > > trying to find out who his parents were he would be born around 1813 or > 12. ? not sure any help would be greatly appreciated Valerie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my great great grandfather and his wife came to Ontario Canada in 1845 Jane died Dec 5th 1900 and Robert died Sept 2nd 1893 in Tyendinaga Hastings co it said Robert and Jane came from Cranny Desertmartin Londonderry he was a blacksmith they were Presbyterian trying to find out who his parents were he would be born around 1813 or 12. ? not sure any help would be greatly appreciated Valerie

Hi Eric, According to Joyce's Irish Names of Places "In the parish of Clondermot, a little south of the city of Derry, is a townland called Tagharina, the house (teach) of the queen." Best regards, Seamus. Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. somoore@iol.ie -----Original Message----- From: nir-derry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-derry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E Macklin Sent: 10 July 2007 23:06 To: NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com Cc: nir-tyrone@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Irish Language - Translation Hello List: Re-phrasing a previous question:- If Maghera [Co Armagha] is derived from Machaire Rátha = "Plain of the Ring Fort", then the Tagharina or Taugherina means what ?? Genealogical question of the day. Subject property/townland in Clondermott parish near Dunnamangh belonged to James Macklin and his wife Elizabeth. Eric ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List: Tagharina which was the name of the Macklin estate on this point of land is roughly half way between the River Foyle and the River Faugan just east of Magheramson and south of New Buildings with a little river/creek running past just to the east at the bottom of the hill top. This estate would have been about 70-80 acres and included the house, out buildings, a garage, the ubiquitous green-house and possibly a stables. If anyone needs a topographical map I now have it courtesy of the list. Would have made a great place for a ring fort in the olde days ... Q: Does the old house or anything else still stand .... can we get a picture or two of the site ..... is their any other history I should be aware of ?? Eric Macklin

Thanks to Ian and the List: Last question regarding the old house of James and Elizabeth Macklin called Tagharina: Tagh = House confirmed; and erina or "arina" = point of land or Queens land can be seen from the topographical nature of the land that it sits on. The River Foyle can be seen in the distance to the west and there [my question] is a small river/creek that flows from its source just to the north past the house on the east side and then turns west to pass under Tully Bridge and into the River Foyle. Q: What is the name of this river/creek? Eric

Cia marra OK list so far we agree on the Tag or Tagh = House and the derivation of the rest "arina' could be one of Queen, Marsh or Headland, so House of one of those three. James Macklin's house was in a Parish right across the River Foyle from Derry, so Headland and Marsh could fit as the House could be next to a tidal basin and close to the coast. So I can presume that the Foyle experiences tides of some sort and that this/these tides had an effect up stream so to speak in the Parish of Clondermott. The history of this Parish [where they lived] is based on the ancient territory of the Clan-Diarmata, [from whence we get the name] a Sept of the Cenel Eoghain on the East side of the River Foyle. I just love how old genealogy of some of the Chiefs and sub-Chiefs to Sept MacLochlainn live on to this very day. My next step is to get an Ordinance map that covers this Parish to see if there are any rivers there including the obvious River Faugan. This is where genealogy really gets interesting. Again, my thanks to the list Slan Eric

Hello . I have found that complete strangers who have seen my internet request have offered their services and bent over backwards to answer my request . I then have to remember my father`s advice, If you cannot return the good deed to that person you must help someone else . laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: BGW3133@aol.com To: lt030329@bigpond.net.au ; emacklin@rogers.com ; Patii01@aol.com Cc: NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions Eric, You are so right about people in Ireland/NIRE (and Scotland) not interested in genealogy. Strange, but I have had much better response from those in Germany. I have written to about 10 people in NIRE and not one response. I always give my e-mail address. In SCT I wrote about 5 letters receiving one response which turned out to be a distant, distant cousin. We visited them twice and their son visited us once. Jean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 9/07/2007 5:22 PM

Eric . Very sound advice . I like the part "remember it is the people who don`t live in Ireland that are interested in Genealogy" . This was brought home to me last september when I was there . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: E Macklin To: Patii01@aol.com Cc: NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions Hi Patti The churches will not respond and if they did they'd refer you to their archives division. They will only reply if you can pin point the actual Parish Registry [death - birth etc] in question. In other words you have to do 90% of the work before you contact them. As for contacting the local family members make you letter very short and to the point and include your e-mail address. Even with an enclosed stamp your response level should be in the 5% to 10% area. Remember it is the people who don't live in Ireland that are interested in genealogy. Happy hunting. Slan Eric From: <Patii01@aol.com> To: <NIR-Derry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions If you eventually find where your relatives came from in Ireland..would a letter to a church in that town ( if that is where they really came from) asking for birth records and marriage records --would they actually have someone that would look these things up? Has anyone ever done this? Also has anyone ever tried writing letters to people with the same last name in the town in which you feel your relatives came from? Any answers back? How do you go about getting a stamp for a SSAE to put in a letter to Ireland, so you can have them answer back. I called the local Post office and they had no idea on what to do? Thanks in advance. Patti ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 9/07/2007 5:22 PM

Two small comments on this issue. First, in Ireland, clergymen are almost universally underpaid and overworked - many of them serving at least two and sometimes three or four churches. Genealogy does not figure high on their priority list. Second, local folks with the same name in one town, especially if it is a common name, usually consider themselves not related to any but a small circle of family. They therefore have little to tell you. And anyway, most will not know their family history much further back the about 70 years so it is no use asking them about folks who left Ireland in 1744!! Some also consider family business to be private and are unwilling to discuss it. These are the reasons why you will not get a reply. Best to stick to good old fashioned dusty old records. Having said that, as Dan McFeely recently pointed out in his posting of 19/06/07, he did manage to make contact by telephone with a "cousin" in Donegal, who was able to help him fill in lots of details about his ancestry and the two now communicate regularily. But I think this is the exception that proves the rule. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> > To: <Patii01@aol.com> > Cc: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions > > > > Hi Patti > > > > The churches will not respond and if they did they'd refer you to > their > > archives division. They will only reply if you can pin point the actual > > Parish Registry > SNIP >

Possibly Teach a Rioghna "house of the queen" Slán go fóill Seamas ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <nir-tyrone@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: [NIR-TYRONE] Irish Language - Translation Hello List: Re-phrasing a previous question:- If Maghera [Co Armagha] is derived from Machaire Rátha = "Plain of the Ring Fort", then the Tagharina or Taugherina means what ?? Genealogical question of the day. Subject property/townland in Clondermott parish near Dunnamangh belonged to James Macklin and his wife Elizabeth. Eric ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-TYRONE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Taharina=House at the headland??? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> To: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <nir-tyrone@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] Irish Language - Translation Hello List: Re-phrasing a previous question:- If Maghera [Co Armagha] is derived from Machaire Rátha = "Plain of the Ring Fort", then the Tagharina or Taugherina means what ?? Genealogical question of the day. Subject property/townland in Clondermott parish near Dunnamangh belonged to James Macklin and his wife Elizabeth. Eric ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two small comments on this issue. First, in Ireland, clergymen are almost universally underpaid and overworked - many of them serving at least two and sometimes three or four churches. Genealogy does not figure high on their priority list. Second, local folks with the same name in one town, especially if it is a common name, usually consider themselves not related to any but a small circle of family. They therefore have little to tell you. And anyway, most will not know their family history much further back the about 70 years so it is no use asking them about folks who left Ireland in 1744!! Some also consider family business to be private and are unwilling to discuss it. These are the reasons why you will not get a reply. Best to stick to good old fashioned dusty old records. Having said that, as Dan McFeely recently pointed out in his posting of 19/06/07, he did manage to make contact by telephone with a "cousin" in Donegal, who was able to help him fill in lots of details about his ancestry and the two now communicate regularily. But I think this is the exception that proves the rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> To: <Patii01@aol.com> Cc: <NIR-DERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions > Hi Patti > > The churches will not respond and if they did they'd refer you to their > archives division. They will only reply if you can pin point the actual > Parish Registry SNIP

Eric, You are so right about people in Ireland/NIRE (and Scotland) not interested in genealogy. Strange, but I have had much better response from those in Germany. I have written to about 10 people in NIRE and not one response. I always give my e-mail address. In SCT I wrote about 5 letters receiving one response which turned out to be a distant, distant cousin. We visited them twice and their son visited us once. Jean ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello List: Re-phrasing a previous question:- If Maghera [Co Armagha] is derived from Machaire Rátha = "Plain of the Ring Fort", then the Tagharina or Taugherina means what ?? Genealogical question of the day. Subject property/townland in Clondermott parish near Dunnamangh belonged to James Macklin and his wife Elizabeth. Eric

Jean Firstly Magilligan is in Ireland not Scotland. Magilligan is on the A2 Road between Limavady and Castlerock. It is at the mouth of the Lough Foyle on the east side. I hope this will help you. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: <BGW3133@aol.com> To: <ron.dale@sympatico.ca>; <lt030329@bigpond.net.au>; <Patii01@aol.com>; <NIR-Derry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions > Ron: > In Scotland I am researching CONN of Magilligan, Co Derry as early as > 1685 - > documented. I do have names of my 'genie' cousin's CONNs buried in > Tamlaghtard Cemetery outside Magilligan. He said his ancestor is from my > same line > because we both can document our ancestors in same place - what is now > Magilligan Point. Unfortunately, he is now deceased so I have no one to > help me in > that area. He could only go back to 1744. > > Jean > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean . In Australia we can do this too but I feel it is one less step for unwilling repliers . I am heartened to read some researchers have had success . I will have to change my ancestors . Good luck with your research . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: BGW3133@aol.com To: lt030329@bigpond.net.au ; Patii01@aol.com ; NIR-Derry@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DERRY] Church records & questions Laurie, In US we have to buy coupons at Post Office to send to a foreign country and they in turn buy their stamp/s for return reply. Jean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 8/07/2007 6:32 PM

Ron: In Scotland I am researching CONN of Magilligan, Co Derry as early as 1685 - documented. I do have names of my 'genie' cousin's CONNs buried in Tamlaghtard Cemetery outside Magilligan. He said his ancestor is from my same line because we both can document our ancestors in same place - what is now Magilligan Point. Unfortunately, he is now deceased so I have no one to help me in that area. He could only go back to 1744. Jean ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.