Karen John MARSHALL Davy Marshall, John Township : Templemore Microfilm : Page 001 Marshall, John Township : Dungiven Microfilm : Page 009 Marshall, John Township : Dungiven,Dungiven Microfilm : Page 009 Marshall, John Township : Desertlyn Microfilm : Page 011 Marshall, John Township : Glendermet Microfilm : Page 015 Marshall, John Township : Glendermet Parish Microfilm : Page 015 Marshall, John Township : Coleraine Microfilm : Page 018 Marshall, John Township : Killowen Microfilm : Page 018 Marshall, John Township : Faughinvale Parish Microfilm : Page 023 Marshall, John Township : Foughenvale Microfilm : Page 023 Marshall, John Township : Dungiven Microfilm : Page 024 Marshall, John Township : Dungiven,Gortangross Microfilm : Page 024 Marshall, John Township : Balteagh Microfilm : Page 025 Marshall, John Township : Macasquin Microfilm : Page 029 Marshall, John Township : Dromachose,Ballycrum Microfilm : Page 036 Marshall, John Township : Drumachose Microfilm : Page 036 Marshall, John Township : Lower Cumber Microfilm : Page 039 Marshall, John Township : Lower Cumber Parish Microfilm : Page 039 Marshall, John Township : Upper Cumber Microfilm : Page 058 Marshall, John Township : Upper Cumber Parish Microfilm : Page 058 Marshall, John Township : Upper Cumber Microfilm : Page 060 Marshall, John Township : Upper Cumber Parish Microfilm : Page 060 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Chessa" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Derry] Londonderry 1831 census > Hi Davy, > > I want to thank you for all the lookups you have done for everyone. I > request one John Marshall, all I know is would have been born cir. > 1792, from Derry per obit. Had wife and 3 sons by 1831. Thank you. > Karen Chessa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Balfour Beattie <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:30 pm > Subject: Re: [Derry] Londonderry 1831 census > > > Larry > > Locating the Townland your ancestors came from is the key, > > although your > > Simsons left Ireland some members of the family would, almost > > certainlyremain. You could start by finding out which Parish, > > Poorlaw Union and > > Registration district your Townland is/was in and look out Births > > Marriagesand especially deaths for Simsons after compulsory > > registration. When you > > are reasonably sure that some of your Simsons are still there you > > can try > > the 1901 and 1911 census. Have you looked at Griffiths valuation? > > I can do a > > look-up if you require. > > Let me know how you get on > > Cheers > > Davy > > > > > > > > ==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== > > Don't overlook the broad resources available from RootsWeb, > > WorldGenWebor Ancestry. If you don't know where to look, this is > > the place to ask! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== > ~~ SUBJECT LINES ~~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Andrew John SHANNON Davy Shannon, John Township : Lissane Microfilm : Page 003 Shannon, John Township : Glendermet Microfilm : Page 025 Shannon, John Township : Glendermet Parish Microfilm : Page 025 Shannon, John Township : Dromachose,Derrybeg Microfilm : Page 026 Shannon, John Township : Drumachose Microfilm : Page 026 Shannon, John Township : Desartoghill Microfilm : Page 038 Shannon, John Township : Macasquin Microfilm : Page 054 Shannon, John Township : Magherafelt Microfilm : Page 057 > Looking for John SHANNON and wife Martha McLURE and family. One son Hugh left Derry and married Margaret HAMILTON in Glasgow in 12 October 1838. > > Could possibly be included in 1831 census for Derry.

Joyce EVANS in Artrea Davy Evans, Robert Township : Artrea Microfilm : Page 059 Evans, Robert Township : Artrea Microfilm : Page 079 Evans, Samuel Township : Artrea Microfilm : Page 024 Evans, William Township : Artrea Microfilm : Page 024 Evans, William Township : Artrea Microfilm : Page 088 Ewart, David Township : Artrea Microfilm : Page 076 > If you're helping people with the 1831 census, I'd appreciate your see if > there is a William Evans in the parish of Artrea. Our William & Bridget > Evans supposedly lived in "The Creagh" or nearby. Other Evans given names > were: Thomas, Robert, and David. Thanks so much for your help.

Rachel, A townland is the smallest division of land in Ireland. Each civil parish contains many townlands. Townlands are very variable in size, generally smaller in fertile areas and larger in barren or boggy areas. More often than not the townland name is of Gaelic origin. The CD index to the 1831 census does not include the townland. It only includes the civil parish or town and the page number. However, the 1831 census itself does include the townland, in fact it is arranged by townland. Before the CD index was compiled, an earlier microfiche index was compiled which did include the townland. My experience has been that both indexes to the 1831 census contain mistakes. The CD index has quite a lot of wrong transcriptions and cases where one name ends up appearing twice in the index. I strongly suspect that it was compiled by people with little or no specialist knowledge of Irish local or family history. The index is a valuable guide but I strongly recommend viewing the original on microfilm. The whole 1831 census for the county is on 4 microfilms. I've never seen the term township used in Irish records. Big thanks to David for all the lookups he has done. Rachel wrote: > David has been busy with look-ups of what remains of the 1831 census. I notice that the CD gives a location as 'township'. I looked it up as I thought it might have been a mis-rendering of townland. Of the few I looked at the location seems to be either the Irish parish or town. > I assume the index was produced in USA - hence the very un-Irish township. > > I'd be interested to know the definition of 'township' - does it equate to our 'town'. In case anyone new to Irish locations is confused the PRONI website has a good article on townlands. > > Rachel > > Spellcheck says townland is not in the dictionary -too right it isn't. > > ==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List's Golden Rule ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it Clean & Cool! > Treat others like you want them to treat you ... But *NO* selling! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Betsy, Do you have a James Hannah and his wife Ann Laughry listed? The spelling may be wrong but this is what I have. I know they had a son James born in Derry c1840 so this may be to early. Thanks Donna Australia

Dave, Please look for William McNeill. You are so kind! Susan

Dear David; If you're helping people with the 1831 census, I'd appreciate your see if there is a William Evans in the parish of Artrea. Our William & Bridget Evans supposedly lived in "The Creagh" or nearby. Other Evans given names were: Thomas, Robert, and David. Thanks so much for your help. Joyce Colleen Libes

Hello Rachael, If you visit www.ulsterancestry.com and click on "Townlands of Ulster" button you can get an explanation of the townland and a Full list of all townlands in each of the Ulster Counties. Hopefully maps to go with these will be added very soon Robert >From: "Rachel" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Derry] Township / townland >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:10:51 -0000 > >David has been busy with look-ups of what remains of the 1831 census. I >notice that the CD gives a location as 'township'. I looked it up as I >thought it might have been a mis-rendering of townland. Of the few I >looked at the location seems to be either the Irish parish or town. >I assume the index was produced in USA - hence the very un-Irish township. > > I'd be interested to know the definition of 'township' - does it equate >to our 'town'. In case anyone new to Irish locations is confused the PRONI >website has a good article on townlands. > >Rachel > >Spellcheck says townland is not in the dictionary -too right it isn't. > > >==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== >~~ The List's Golden Rule ~~ >Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it Clean & Cool! >Treat others like you want them to treat you ... But *NO* selling! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

My father was a Breadman, also known as a Bread Server, first with a horse and cart and later with a bread van. He worked for Wm McComb's bakery (later part of Inglis), and collected his bread on trays from the train at Coleraine station. Then they opened a depot near Portstewart and the bread came by road. In 1954 we moved to the country, between Tobermore and Draperstown, and he had a job with the Co-op. They delivered the bread to their salesmen in a huge van, the size used by furniture removers. I think the equivalent occupation today is concerned with frozen food! My grandfather, also William ROSS, was head gardener to Messrs Hubbard & Alcorn in Limavady, and moved in 1912 to become greenkeeper to the Coleraine Bowling Club. His father, John ROSS, was a surveyor among other things; John's brother James was a doctor, and worked for his first year or two (c1877)in Claudy with Dr Allison before moving on and eventually settling in Lancashire. Any news of previous generations of this family will be welcome! Ossie Ross England

It would be very helpful if those who are requesting look-ups would put the surnames in the subject line and not keep repeating "1831 census" so that it would be possible to scroll down through more quickly. Thanks. Also, y'all do know that the CD for the Derry (1831) and Antrim (1841) censuses (both partials) is readily available through Family Tree Maker (CD#197) for $19.99. Just thought someone might like to buy it to peruse at their leisure. -- - Polly -- Polly Shaw Office: 703-549-9292 x259 Northern Virginia MailTo:[email protected] Web: http://www.pollyshaw.com Outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2003

Frank NIVIN/NEVIN and OWENS in Griffiths (Lndonderry) Davy Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Nevin, Hugh County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : T/Coleraine/King's Gate Nevin, James County : Antrim Parish : Ballymoney Location : Claughey Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballymoney Location : Colebreene Lower Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballywillin Location : Cloyfin North Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Clondermot Location : Clooney (Part of) Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : T/Coleraine/Church St. Nevin, Rev. James County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Templemore Location : Edenballymore Nevin, John County : Antrim Parish : Ballymoney Location : Drunkendult West Nevin, John County : Antrim Parish : Ballymoney Location : Greenshields Upper Nevin, John County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : T/Coleraine/North Brooe St. Nevin, John County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Macosquin Location : Leck Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballyaghran Location : Bellemontmore Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : Harpur's Hill Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : T/Coleraine/Church St. Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : T/Coleraine/New Row Nevin, Samuel County : Antrim Parish : Ballymoney Location : Claughey Nevin, Thomas County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballyaghran Location : North Mullaghacall Nevin, Thomas County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballyaghran Location : West Ballygelagh Nevin, William County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballyaghran Location : Bellemontmore Nevin, William County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Ballyaghran Location : West Ballygelagh Nevin, William County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Coleraine Location : T/Coleraine/King's Gate Owens, Francis County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Templemore Location : T/Derry/Fahan Street Owens, John County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Cumber Lower Location : Brockagh Owens, Michael County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Templemore Location : T/Derry/Fahan Street Owens, Patrick County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Cumber Lower Location : Brockagh Owens, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Faughanvale Location : Killywool Owens, William County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Location : Clagan Owens, William County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Templemore Location : T/Derry/Bridge Street

I meant to add the PRONI website address to my last e http://www.proni.gov.uk/research/local/townland.htm Rachel

David has been busy with look-ups of what remains of the 1831 census. I notice that the CD gives a location as 'township'. I looked it up as I thought it might have been a mis-rendering of townland. Of the few I looked at the location seems to be either the Irish parish or town. I assume the index was produced in USA - hence the very un-Irish township. I'd be interested to know the definition of 'township' - does it equate to our 'town'. In case anyone new to Irish locations is confused the PRONI website has a good article on townlands. Rachel Spellcheck says townland is not in the dictionary -too right it isn't.

HI, I would appreciate any assistance, if possible, with finding information about Neal Mayberry of Tamlaght O'Crilly townland in the 1831 census for Derry. I have come to dead ends concerning my ancestors once I reach Neal. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. LeRoy Mabery

Hi Davy, I want to thank you for all the lookups you have done for everyone. I request one John Marshall, all I know is would have been born cir. 1792, from Derry per obit. Had wife and 3 sons by 1831. Thank you. Karen Chessa ----- Original Message ----- From: David Balfour Beattie <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Derry] Londonderry 1831 census > Larry > Locating the Townland your ancestors came from is the key, > although your > Simsons left Ireland some members of the family would, almost > certainlyremain. You could start by finding out which Parish, > Poorlaw Union and > Registration district your Townland is/was in and look out Births > Marriagesand especially deaths for Simsons after compulsory > registration. When you > are reasonably sure that some of your Simsons are still there you > can try > the 1901 and 1911 census. Have you looked at Griffiths valuation? > I can do a > look-up if you require. > Let me know how you get on > Cheers > Davy > > > > ==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== > Don't overlook the broad resources available from RootsWeb, > WorldGenWebor Ancestry. If you don't know where to look, this is > the place to ask! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Frank Have you looked at Griffiths valuation for NEVINs and OWENS? Davy > Thanks to David I've narrowed my search down to two > Townships,BALLEYWELLAN ( balleywillin) > and TAMLAGHT O'CRILLY for the possible areas where my > gr.gr.grandparents James NEVIN and Catherine OWENS came from. > The LDS film number for those two townships is 597160,which I intend > to send for at my local FHC. > Hoping to connect with others researching the above names. > Regards > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. > > > > ==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== > Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that might put a crack in your > wall? Remember, day & night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to > browse or search. Go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have a questio, please. I am not quite clear on the Census and Valuation. Was one taken in lieu of the other ? If I have (Thanks to David) the Census for County Londonderry for 1831-41. Would the surname also appear in a Griffth's Valuation the same year or for only an earlier period ?? Did one stop when the other began ?? Thank you Lois W.

David, I'm quite amazed at the information you have and sending it so quickly. You're a star,as far as I'm concerned,and I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying a BIG thank you for the help that you've given. I've only just joined the list again after trying earlier to find the information which you so promptly passed on to me. I can see that by cross referencing the names and townlands I can possibly link up my NIVENS & OWENS Thanks a Million Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Balfour Beattie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Derry] NEVIN / OWENS > Frank > NIVIN/NEVIN and OWENS in Griffiths (Lndonderry) > Davy > > Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 > > > Nevin, Hugh County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : T/Coleraine/King's Gate > > Nevin, James County : Antrim > > Parish : Ballymoney > > Location : Claughey > > Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballymoney > > Location : Colebreene Lower > > Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballywillin > > Location : Cloyfin North > > Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Clondermot > > Location : Clooney (Part of) > > Nevin, James County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : T/Coleraine/Church St. > > Nevin, Rev. James County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Templemore > > Location : Edenballymore > > Nevin, John County : Antrim > > Parish : Ballymoney > > Location : Drunkendult West > > Nevin, John County : Antrim > > Parish : Ballymoney > > Location : Greenshields Upper > > Nevin, John County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : T/Coleraine/North Brooe St. > > Nevin, John County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Macosquin > > Location : Leck > > Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballyaghran > > Location : Bellemontmore > > Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : Harpur's Hill > > Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : T/Coleraine/Church St. > > Nevin, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : T/Coleraine/New Row > > Nevin, Samuel County : Antrim > > Parish : Ballymoney > > Location : Claughey > > Nevin, Thomas County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballyaghran > > Location : North Mullaghacall > > Nevin, Thomas County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballyaghran > > Location : West Ballygelagh > > Nevin, William County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballyaghran > > Location : Bellemontmore > > Nevin, William County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Ballyaghran > > Location : West Ballygelagh > > Nevin, William County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Coleraine > > Location : T/Coleraine/King's Gate > > Owens, Francis County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Templemore > > Location : T/Derry/Fahan Street > > Owens, John County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Cumber Lower > > Location : Brockagh > > Owens, Michael County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Templemore > > Location : T/Derry/Fahan Street > > Owens, Patrick County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Cumber Lower > > Location : Brockagh > > Owens, Robert County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Faughanvale > > Location : Killywool > > Owens, William County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan > > Location : Clagan > > Owens, William County : Londonderry/Derry > > Parish : Templemore > > Location : T/Derry/Bridge Street > > > > > ==== NIR-DERRY Mailing List ==== > Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that might put a crack in your > wall? Remember, day & night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to > browse or search. Go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi there Thank you all for your help but my ROE Peter died before 1856, when Joseph ROE married in Liverpool England to a Margaret Ann Lidgett is Lidgett an Irish name? Said Peter ROE Porter dec/d 1856 before marriage certificate of Joseph ROE, Joseph was a silverplater from IRELAND he became a brass plater in Liverpool. Was there much difference between silverplating and brassplating? Joseph ROE had good handwriting. Joseph ROE died in Liverpool in 1883. England. So 1864 date is on no use but thank you for that and McCloskey's nicknamed ROE = red Thank you Helen Sydney Australia

Elaine John > BOYLE and Jane KEAN (KANE) Davy Boyle, John Township : Maghera Microfilm : Page 002 Boyle, John Township : Magherd Microfilm : Page 002 Boyle, John Township : Grange Of Agivey Microfilm : Page 005 Boyle, John Township : Kilrea Microfilm : Page 005 Boyle, John Township : Aughadowy Microfilm : Page 006 Boyle, John Township : Ballyrashane Grange Microfilm : Page 007 Boyle, John Township : Dungiven Microfilm : Page 007 Boyle, John Township : Dungiven,Dungiven Microfilm : Page 007 Boyle, John Township : Kilcronaghan Microfilm : Page 008 Boyle, John Township : Tamlaght O'crilly Microfilm : Page 009 Boyle, John Township : Magherafelt Microfilm : Page 010 Boyle, John Township : Aughadowy Microfilm : Page 013 Boyle, John Township : Desartoghill Microfilm : Page 016 Boyle, John Township : Banagher Microfilm : Page 025 Boyle, John Township : Banagher Parish Microfilm : Page 025 Boyle, John Township : Macasquin Microfilm : Page 025 Boyle, John Township : Crugal Microfilm : Page 026 Boyle, John Township : Errigal Microfilm : Page 026 Boyle, John Township : Bovevah,Gortnagey Microfilm : Page 030 Boyle, John Township : Rovevah Microfilm : Page 030 Boyle, John Township : Templemore Microfilm : Page 039 Boyle, John Township : Templemore,Templemore Microfilm : Page 039 Boyle, John Township : Tamlathfinlegan Microfilm : Page 041 Boyle, John Township : Templemore Microfilm : Page 042 Boyle, John Township : Macasquin Microfilm : Page 048 Boyle, John Township : Glendermet Microfilm : Page 054 Boyle, John Township : Glendermot Parish Microfilm : Page 054 Boyle, John Township : Templemore Microfilm : Page 055 Boyle, John Township : Glendermet Microfilm : Page 073 Boyle, John Township : Glendermot Microfilm : Page 073 Boyle, John Township : Maghera Microfilm : Page 077 Boyle, John Township : Maghera Microfilm : Page 090 Boyle, John Esq. Township : Dromachose,Newtownlimav Microfilm : Page 006 Boyle, John Esq. Township : Dungiven Microfilm : Page 014 Boyle, John Esq. Township : Dungiven,Dungiven Microfilm : Page 014 Boyle, John Esq. Township : Dromachose,Newtownlimav Microfilm : Page 020 Boyle, John Esq. Township : Drumachose Microfilm : Page 020 Boyle, John Ewq. Township : Drumachose Microfilm : Page 006 Kane, Jane Township : Killelagh Microfilm : Page 010