Ryan, Would you please let me know how you researched the Drouin collection? I also have Presbyterian ancestors named Hart who immigrated to Canada in the 1840s, and I'm wondering if this is a source I should look to. They went to southern Ontario, and lived in Bishop's Mills, near Merrickville. My Harts were also Presbyterian. Also, were you able to find what ship they went on? And how I might find what ship mine went on? Karen Hart Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Owen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: [ARMAGH] Owen(s) / Hare - Armagh - 1790-1850 Good Morning All, I'm researching my Owen and Hare families, both Presbyterian, that immigrated to Montreal, Quebec, from Co. Armagh in the early 1850's. I've hit a brick wall trying to trace them back to Armagh and was wondering if anyone else has come across a similar situation and if there's any advice out there on ways to break through it. I've already researched a lot of the records on the Canadian side - especially the Canadian census records and the Drouin collection. John Owen, a cooper in Montreal, was born in Armagh around 1790. He married Ann Hare, born around 1805. They had at least six children in Armagh. John, Ann, and their children listed below immigrated to Montreal around 1851. Marianne (b. 1830) - married in Montreal in 1852.John (b. 1831)William (b. 1834)George (b. 1836)Sarah (b. 1840)Henry (b. 1841)Given John's age (40) when his oldest known child was born, I think there may have been other older children who either stayed behind in Ireland or emigrated elsewhere. I'd appreciate any advice anyone might be able to provide. I've been stuck at this brick wall for some time. Without the exact time, place of > his birth or his parents name I think this might just be the cement wall. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen, I found the Drouin Collection through Ancestry. I found it most helpful for Quebec (and esp. Montreal) research, but I understand that it covers French Catholic records for Acadia and Ontario too. The indexing isn't ideal, but I found a lot of Birth, Marriage and Death records for my Presbyterian and Catholic ancestors. Some of the records are in French. Ancestry states the records span from the 1600's into the middle of the 20th century, but I used them mostly for 1850-1920. I never have identified their ship; records from that long ago are scattered at best. Regards, Ryan > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:16:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Owen(s) / Hare - Armagh - 1790-1850 > > Ryan, > Would you please let me know how you researched the Drouin collection? I > also have Presbyterian ancestors named Hart who immigrated to Canada in the > 1840s, and I'm wondering if this is a source I should look to. They went to > southern Ontario, and lived in Bishop's Mills, near Merrickville. My Harts > were also Presbyterian. Also, were you able to find what ship they went on? > And how I might find what ship mine went on? > Karen Hart Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Owen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:34 AM > Subject: [ARMAGH] Owen(s) / Hare - Armagh - 1790-1850 > > > > Good Morning All, I'm researching my Owen and Hare families, both > Presbyterian, that immigrated to Montreal, Quebec, from Co. Armagh in the > early 1850's. I've hit a brick wall trying to trace them back to Armagh and > was wondering if anyone else has come across a similar situation and if > there's any advice out there on ways to break through it. I've already > researched a lot of the records on the Canadian side - especially the > Canadian census records and the Drouin collection. John Owen, a cooper in > Montreal, was born in Armagh around 1790. He married Ann Hare, born around > 1805. They had at least six children in Armagh. John, Ann, and their > children listed below immigrated to Montreal around 1851. Marianne (b. > 1830) - married in Montreal in 1852.John (b. 1831)William (b. 1834)George > (b. 1836)Sarah (b. 1840)Henry (b. 1841)Given John's age (40) when his oldest > known child was born, I think there may have been other older children who > either stayed behind in Ireland or emigrated elsewhere. I'd appreciate any > advice anyone might be able to provide. I've been stuck at this brick wall > for some time. > > Without the exact time, place of > > his birth or his parents name I think this might just be the cement wall. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ryan Owen" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:34 AM > > Subject: [ARMAGH] Owen(s) / Hare - Armagh - 1790-1850 > > > > Good Morning All, I'm researching my Owen and Hare families, both > > Presbyterian, that immigrated to Montreal, Quebec, from Co. Armagh in the > > early 1850's. [...] John Hayes shows two HARE women in the county Armagh, in his transcription of Flax Growers of Ireland (1796): Hare, Alace, at Armagh, county Armagh Hare, Anne, at Mullaghbrack, county Armagh http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/armagh.htm While at John's excellent web site, visit his home page at: http://www.failteromhat.com/ ...and input HARE into the search engine, which search will provide many results from such sources as Griffith's Valuation Index, the 1901 Census, various directories, etc ajk. ajk

I missed the reference to Hare in Armagh in the below....Can you explain what the connection is? My grandmother's grandmother is said to have been Mary Ann Hare/O'Hare/Hair/O'Hair from northern Ireland. ”Mother’s maiden name was Mary Ann Hair--she was born in the North of Ireland and she, her father and her mother were all down at once in the hospital with cholera and she surviving and they succumbing whence she came to America with one aunt. She left only one brother who got their 40 acres of land in Ireland. My best guess is that her family was in Mowhan/Moughen/ just south of Markethill in Armagh. I was in the area in 2003. I found an Andrew Hare located on Kilbracks Townland in a spot that might have had Moughen as his post office. I also found the following in the area in the Griffiths Valuation of 1864: ANdrew, Margaret, James, John, Patrick, and James. Andrew goes by Hare. The others go by O'Hare. The Parliamentary Gazeteer of Ireland of 1844 said the following: Mohan, a hamlet in the Parish of Loughgilly, barony of Lower Fews, 2 m. south of Markethill, Co Armagh. On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Ryan Owen wrote: > > Hi Karen, > I found the Drouin Collection through Ancestry. I found it most > helpful for Quebec (and esp. Montreal) research, but I understand > that it covers French Catholic records for Acadia and Ontario too. > The indexing isn't ideal, but I found a lot of Birth, Marriage and > Death records for my Presbyterian and Catholic ancestors. Some of > the records are in French. Ancestry states the records span from > the 1600's into the middle of the 20th century, but I used them > mostly for 1850-1920. > I never have identified their ship; records from that long ago are > scattered at best. > > Regards, > Ryan >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:16:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Owen(s) / Hare - Armagh - 1790-1850 >> >> Ryan, >> Would you please let me know how you researched the Drouin >> collection? I >> also have Presbyterian ancestors named Hart who immigrated to >> Canada in the >> 1840s, and I'm wondering if this is a source I should look to. >> They went to >> southern Ontario, and lived in Bishop's Mills, near Merrickville. >> My Harts >> were also Presbyterian. Also, were you able to find what ship they >> went on? >> And how I might find what ship mine went on? >> Karen Hart Anthony >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ryan Owen" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:34 AM >> Subject: [ARMAGH] Owen(s) / Hare - Armagh - 1790-1850 >> >> >> >> Good Morning All, I'm researching my Owen and Hare families, both >> Presbyterian, that immigrated to Montreal, Quebec, from Co. Armagh >> in the >> early 1850's. I've hit a brick wall trying to trace them back to >> Armagh and >> was wondering if anyone else has come across a similar situation >> and if >> there's any advice out there on ways to break through it. I've >> already >> researched a lot of the records on the Canadian side - especially the >> Canadian census records and the Drouin collection. John Owen, a >> cooper in >> Montreal, was born in Armagh around 1790. He married Ann Hare, >> born around >> 1805. They had at least six children in Armagh. John, Ann, and their >> children listed below immigrated to Montreal around 1851. Marianne >> (b. >> 1830) - married in Montreal in 1852.John (b. 1831)William (b. >> 1834)George >> (b. 1836)Sarah (b. 1840)Henry (b. 1841)Given John's age (40) when >> his oldest >> known child was born, I think there may have been other older >> children who >> either stayed behind in Ireland or emigrated elsewhere. I'd >> appreciate any >> advice anyone might be able to provide. I've been stuck at this >> brick wall >> for some time. >> >> Without the exact time, place of >>> his birth or his parents name I think this might just be the >>> cement wall. >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message